Commander "Snake" Thompson

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  1. Rene Descartes

    Rene Descartes Gold Meritorious Patron

    I plead "on topic" because it covers all the evidence Peter placed here!

    I plead "on topic" because it covers Snake Thompson

    I plead "on topic" because it references the mentionings about LRH being a liar in earlier posts in the thread!

    Rd00
     
  2. Peter Soderqvist

    Peter Soderqvist Patron with Honors

    Nothing about Thompson’s life can prove Hubbard’s war History one-way or the other!
    As far as I know Hubbard was not a War hero!
     
  3. Rene Descartes

    Rene Descartes Gold Meritorious Patron

    One of the things I really like about the thread is all the evidence that Peter left here.

    From my experience when I was "in", the people in the church when referencing critcs, SPs and bad press was to legitimately refute some of the claims that the critics and SPs made and use this as a basis that critics and SPs lie and can never get the facts staright and just want to spread malicious drivel.

    It is our responsibility as critics and/or former members to at least get all the facts staright and pick out the appropriate facts that discredit that which the Church cannot refute.

    Thanks Peter!

    That truly is a fantastic piece of work you did there.

    Rd00
     
  4. GoButtonIsBlowButton

    GoButtonIsBlowButton Patron with Honors

    I just finished reading this entire thread...

    It definitely proves that Commander Thompson existed.

    But Mike Goldstein posted something earlier on this thread -- he has "source" information that indicates it was one of Ronny's lies --

    "There were stories that existed in Scientology that this guy, Snake Thompson, was a personal student of Freud, and that LRH studied with Thompson.

    "When I was first assigned by LRH to the Pers PRO office on the ship, one project I was given was to write a sort of mini-bio on him that would come out as an 8 or 10 page issue for orgs and missions. I wasn't a professional writer, and my "research" consisted of just taking things from book jackets and whereever else I could find info on LRH's life. I remembered this story about Thompson but could find no real data or reference about it, so I asked LRH about it.

    "LRH told me that he never studied under Thompson; that Thompson was an acquaintance of Hubbard's father, and that when LRH was a kid, his father once introduced him to Thompson. That was it.

    "Mike Goldstein"

    Ronny liked to imply his associations to enhance his reputation (Hollywood writer, studied at Princeton, nuclear physics student, and other endless examples), and this seems to have been one of those instances.
     
  5. Peter Soderqvist

    Peter Soderqvist Patron with Honors

    Soderqvist1: I have two more points here!
    Thompson has written two papers called “"Psychoanalytic Literature" and "The Psychoanalyst And His Work" and these are posted on ARS some years ago, I will only copy the last one!

    ARS wrote: Those of us who have read Dianetics: Modern Science of Mental Health and Hubbard's obsession with pregnant women, knitting needles and attempted abortions will recognize some oddly similar sentiments in the excerpt below. Commander Joseph Thompson was a Freudian analyst, and Hubbard's alleged tutor.

    U.S. Naval Medical Bulletin, Vol XXI, December 1924 No. 6. The Psychoanalyst And His Work by J. C. Thompson, Commander,
    Every person without exception who has a neurotic symptom has two other things: he has a feeling of, inferiority and some unpleasant problem or conflict that he is finding difficult to solve in a satisfactory and efficient manner. These neurotic symptoms are one and all developed by the unconscious mind to compensate for this feeling of inferiority, and to afford an escape from the unpleasant problem with which he is confronted. Take the hysterical vomiting of pregnancy, for example. The analyst can be certain that the expected addition to the family is unwelcome to the mother. It may be from lack of love for the husband; it may be from fear of his fidelity during the period when she will be prevented from going about with him; it may be that she has been in some mischief of sorts and is afraid that the paternity of the
    illegitimate father may be evidenced in hair, eyes, or coloring of the infant; it may be that, she does not want the disfigurement and the
    interruption of certain social activities. All these and many other factors must be borne in mind by the discerning analyst.

    The unconscious mind of the neurotic patient then reasons on this subject about as follows: "I have done a very stupid thing in having allowed
    conception to take place, when so many of my friends are so much smarter and have prevented it." Now, all we have to do is to think we
    have been stupid or less smart than those about us, when we will promptly develop a feeling of inferiority, which makes us wretched, unhappy, and inefficient; this is a neurosis. Now, the pregnant patient, facing a problem which is disagreeable, employs the neurotic device of continuous vomiting in the endeavor to escape from the impending confinement and additional child. The unconscious mind again reasons
    about as follows: "Now, if you will only vomit your food, you will become poorly nourished and with any kind of luck the straining and pressure upon the abdominal contents will cause you to abort naturally; but if this does not happen, all you have to do is to stay with it, keep on
    vomiting, and your friends will become deeply concerned, your family physician will call a consultation, and surgical interference with the
    pregnancy will be described.

    Now, this is exactly what the unconscious mind of the patient desired; the abortion will be performed amid the sympathy of attentive friends, and this will convert the patient's feeling of inferiority, of having been stupid and in bad luck, into a feeling of being of some importance in her little world; for are not doctors and nurses and friends vieing <sic> with each other in their endeavor to bring about a realization of her most profound wishes-that is, the avoiding of having a child? The symptom of the hysterical vomiting of pregnancy is therefore the disguised
    expression of an unconscious wish. This is the mechanism of a large group of hysterical symptoms. [...]
    http://home.snafu.de/tilman/tmp/SNAKE.TXT

    ARS wrote: Compare this with Hubbard's DMSMH, especially Book 2, Chapter 10 Preventative Dianetics

    Soderqvist1: It seems that Jacques Schnier saw Hubbard in San Francisco 1933 active with some kind of therapy, possibly in connection with Thompson; I have posted that allegation in the end in this thread at Clambake Org!

    The Rediscovery of The Human Soul
    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=30143
     
  6. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Hubbard is a judicially acknowledged 'pathological liar', and you're working very hard - including using Hubbard's recountings - to do some kind of positive PR handling - that is, you're finding one thing that is true and adding to it, and ignoring anything else.

    That's a lot of work for a negligible result.

    By all means continue, some of the material is interesting. However, the material on pregnancy is not that different from others' writings (pre 1950), and 'Dianetics' 1950, and the attention to attempted abortions is more realistically traced to Hubbard's own history as a do-it-yourself abortionist. See also his gleeful description of how to do an abortion in a 1952 PDC lecture.
     
  7. Peter Soderqvist

    Peter Soderqvist Patron with Honors

    I know that I am suffering to some degree from confirmation bias, I am at least aware about it, that’s make me human!
    But are you aware about that you want to see Hubbard in worst possible light, and “ignoring anything else”?
    But it is positive that you find some part of it interesting!
     
  8. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    I've examined much more information than you have, consulted with many people who've worked with Hubbard, and spoken, at length, to several members of his immediate family. I'm simply ahead of you on the "learning curve." That's just the way it is.

    Suggest that you spend the next 6 months studying the links I've recently provided to you, and then the next year coming to grips with it. It takes t_i_m_e.

    In a recent post, you provide a link to a quote - from one of the official Hubbard Biographical coffee table books - which has Hubbard telling of his having died after an operation and then coming back to life, when, in his own diary, he describes the episode as being a nitrous oxide experience at the dentist during a routine tooth extraction.

    Embellishment, deception, "PR," including your flavor of "PR," which is "positive PR."

    I know Scientology helped you, and I'm not completely negative about ALL of the Scientology - which you must know - and you would also know that I've audited lots of people on Dianetics and Scientology, and do not have an "ALL bad" view of it. However, I do recognize that it's - at its core - a trap, and was designed that way by its founder. If you take the time to examine the evidence, I think you'll agree. And it won't change any of the good things that you have come - unrealistically - to identify with Scientology. They'll still be good things - not to worry.
     
  9. Rene Descartes

    Rene Descartes Gold Meritorious Patron

    Perhaps LRH "studied Thompson's works" more so than he "studied under Thompson".

    Rd00
     
  10. at3ist

    at3ist Patron with Honors

    wow tell us about it

     
  11. Peter Soderqvist

    Peter Soderqvist Patron with Honors

    Soderqvist1: There are similarities in the mindset between Commander Thompson and L. Ron Hubbard, and Hubbard was familiar with Thompson’s personality. ApsaA in the document is the American Psychoanalytical Association

    INTERNATIONAL PSYCHOANALYSIS VOLUME 3. ISSUE 2 1994 Page 30 -31
    In 1930 Joseph Thompson M. D. came to S. E He was an American born analyst who trained at the Washington Baltimore Institute. He had been a naval surgeon and had wide ranging interests. Associated with A. A. Brill, Franz Alexander, William Alanson White and others, he was something of a renegade in his thinking and practice and consequently was viewed by some as a "rugged individualist" and by others as a "wild analyst." One of his "wild" views at the time, in contrast to the ApsaA, was his fervent adherence to Freud’s advocacy of lay analysis and disapproval of any medical monopoly of psychoanalysis. Though an M. D. Thompson mistrusted medical doctors, the American Medical Association and the APsaA, which was leaning heavily in the direction of establishing psychoanalysis as a medical specialty.
    http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cach..."Daniel+Benveniste"&hl=sv&ct=clnk&cd=13&gl=se


    Hubbard’s Autobiography by Chris Owen
    Commander Thompson He was a tall, rangy, eccentric individual. His friends called him "Snake" and his enemies called him "Crazy". He had lots of both. He lived a life to very much please himself in spite of being a Naval officer and would read until he fell asleep, falling sideways over onto his bunk and get up and go about his duties when it pleased him, regardless of Navy schedules. Through his friendship I attended many lectures given at Naval hospitals and generally became conversant with psychoanalysis, as it had been exported from Austria by Freud. All the various schools which sprung up later, such as Horney, seem a far cry from Freud's original work and it has seemed to me that there are no psychoanalysts who practice Freudian Psychoanalysis. He was a very fine man and I was very fortunate to have known him.
    http://www.solitarytrees.net/cowen/misc/auto2.htm


    A Sculptor’s Odyssey by Jacques Schnier

    Page 123 Riess: my impression from what you've said about Thompson is that he was a little eccentric.

    Schnier: A little, yes. For example, he had cats and he wore woolen shirts like a Pendleton shirt. He was very what do they say in the jargon of the Haight Street generation? everything hung out? Is that it?

    Riess: Yes, hang loose, or laid back?

    Schnier: Laid back, oh yes. Well, hang loose, yes. And it made you feel very comfortable, but he could be very strict. Not strict, but very firm in certain situations.

    Riess: What was his attachment to Eastern philosophy? Buddhism? Why did he know

    Schnier: He was a naval officer during World War I, and part of his years in the service were spent in the Orient, and that's where he was exposed to Buddhism. I think he had a friend who was a Buddhist who had entered the Buddhist monastery. Be that as it may, he had studied it thoroughly. He was a deep thinker. He was constantly searching. He wasn't the type who sits back and is satisfied with just reading the morning newspaper.
    http://www.archive.org/stream/sculptorodyssey00schnrich/sculptorodyssey00schnrich_djvu.txt

    Ann-Louise S. Silver MD
    During the following year, 1925, Adolph Meyer objected to Clara's being in psychoanalysis with Joseph Thompson. Meyer insisted that she discontinue her psychoanalysis; she refused; he dismissed her. In 1931 she went to Budapest and finished her psychoanalysis with Sandor Ferenczi.

    Adolf Meyer to Dr. Warfield T. Long-cope (Johns Hopkins Hospital), May 19, 1926 (AMP, Series I.)
    "Dr. Clara Thompson resigned from the Clinic last October or November, and I allowed the resignation to pass because at the time I did not actually know that, in addition to matters which would have made continuation of service impossible, she had since June treated one of several patients of the Clinic for a fee of $100 a month at the offices of a clever but unsavory psychoanalyst, a Navy recruiting officer who was a U.S. spy in the Orient during the War. If any other facts were needed to settle the question of further connections with the Johns Hopkins Hospital, I should let you have them. She is bright, but unduly free of some traits we would like to consider obligatory." (Grob, p. 276-7)

    Thompson was in the Naval Medical Corps for many years and was stationed in Guam when Ron's father was stationed there. To understand Scientology's hostile criticism of psychiatry, one must become aware of Hubbard's life history and especially Joseph Thompson's influence on him.

    Thompson seemed to have been a general medical officer when he first in the Navy. The Navy was said to have assigned Commander Thompson to St. Elizabeth's Federal Hospital in Washington, but I could not find any official record of this. In 1924, he became vice-president of the Washington Psychoanalytic Association (William Alanson White was president). He apparently gave lectures in Washington. In 1925 he became a member of the American Psychoanalytic Association. He was still a member of the American Psychoanalytic Association in 1930 but by 1936 he was no longer listed as a member. He had problems with the American psychoanalytic "establishment." He criticized them for having strayed too far from Freud. He agreed with Freud that lay analysts should be given equal status to medical psychoanalysts in the U.S.A. He was fighting a losing battle over this.
    http://aapdp.org/forum/forum43_1.html#4312

    TRANSCRIPT OF TAPE #1 OF JUNE 28, 1984 - RON DE WOLF Side 1
    Dr. Snake Thompson, a psychiatrist in the Navy that my father knew via my grandfather. He named many, many sources for Scientology at various times throughout these early years.
    http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/tape-by-L-Ron-Hubbard-jr.htm

    Lecture: The Purpose of Human Evaluation -4
    In 1930 I knew a fellow by the name of Commander Thompson. I had known him before, actually; he was a friend of the family.
    http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1556&Itemid=240

    L. Ron Hubbard Frater X.
    It was the dream of Hubbard's mentor, Commander Joseph Cressman Thompson, that lay psychologists be given the same status as medical psychoanalysts. From this perspective, it is not hard to see how Hubbard attempted to bring Thompson's wish to realization with his thesis and with Dianetics as the operation.
    http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/hubbard-fratter-x.htm

    The Birth of Dianetics
    Inevitably, there were several discussions on how best to bring Dianetics to the world, and just as inevitably consensus was divided. Although Ron had originally envisioned Dianetics as a popular therapy, “for the people and of the people,” as he would finally describe his work, neither Campbell nor Michigan physician Dr. Joseph Winter concurred. Rather, and this in the words of Western Electric engineer Donald Rogers, “We tended towards a trickledown approach,” meaning Dianetics would see broadest utilization if first presented to those most logically prepared to appreciate it, i.e., the medical/mental health establishment.
    http://www.ronthephilosopher.org/phlspher/page14.htm
     
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  12. Peter Soderqvist

    Peter Soderqvist Patron with Honors

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    Commander "Snake" Thompson
    http://www.erbzine.com/mag23/2342.html


    Bernice P. Bishop Museum Bulletin 4 By Herbert E. Gregory Honolulu Hawaii 1922
    Through the generosity of Commander J. C. Thompson, of the United States Naval Hospital, Lt. H. G. Hornbostel of the Museum staff was given the opportunity to undertake a systematic exploration of Guam, with a view to obtaining information regarding an ancient people whose position in the group of Pacific races remains to be determined. As the result of this work the Museum is in possession of maps, diagrams, and descriptive notes of ancient burial grounds, house sites, fishing grounds, and caves, and has added to its collections some 2,000 specimens, including mortars, lamps, adzes, knives and much skeletal material. In the collection is a burial monument with capital weighing about two and a quarter tons. In carrying on his work Mr. Hornbostel has had the experienced advice of Commander Thompson, and the generous co-operation of the Navy officials who assisted in excavations and in making collections, and assumed the responsibility of transporting the material to Honolulu. It is planned to extend field work in this region to include the southern islands of the Marianas group and parts of the Carolines. Accessions 1922 anthropological material more than a hundred skeletons from Guam were collected and presented to the Museum by Dr. J. C. Thompson and Hans G. Hornbostel.

    The Museum has been fortunate in the interest displayed in its activities by men in other occupations. Commander J. C. Thompson, stationed at the I". S. Naval Hospital in Guam, lias been untiring in his efforts to obtain specimens -1 the native culture of the Marianas Islands. Through his influence the interest and energy of Mr. and Mrs. H. G. Hornbostal have been enlisted. Mr. Hornbostel became a member of the Museum staff and with the aid of Dr. Thompson and many friends has collected an enormous amount of anthropological material from Guam. This includes over a hundred more or less complete skeletons of a people whose large stature is striking. Several instances of pathological effects are evident Among the artefacts mention may be made of 3 large hemispherical stone capitals which once crowned the tops of pillars in the native burial grounds. Excavations at their feet uncovered quantities of stone and shell adzes, chisels, sling stones and other implements. Several stone dishes are noteworthy, while many objects of more recent origin serve to illustrate methods of by-gone times. Further contributions from this field are anticipated with interest.
    http://www.archive.org/stream/bulletin04bernuoft/bulletin04bernuoft_djvu.txt

    Lecture: 10 January 1953 Mechanics of the Mind By L. Ron Hubbard
    It just suddenly struck me one day, I hadn't ever realized it. Nothing would do at a certain place I went but what I would dig up one of the old, ancient tribal burial grounds. Never realized the significance of this until one day - I hadn't known this, you see - I was standing in the Bishop Museum in Hawaii and saw there the exhibit of Commander Thompson on some of the men he had dug up in a tribal burying grounds. All right. He directed my attention toward many things and perhaps imparted to me, fragmentarily or otherwise, the basic tenets of Sigmund Freud.
    http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1564&Itemid=240

    Soderqvist1: the above quote from lecture 10 is from a critical home site, it is Caroline Letkeman’s, she is Gerry Armstrong’s wife!
     
  13. Peter Soderqvist

    Peter Soderqvist Patron with Honors

    Soderqvist1: This is a fair use of quotes from “Scientology Edited By James R. Lewis” online!

    2 The Cultural Context of Scientology by William Sims Bainbridge
    Page 39: Snake Thompson was the best friend of my great uncle, (Consuelo Seoane). Together, around 1911, they spent nearly two years as American spies inside the Japanese Empire, charting possible invasion routes and counting all the Japanese fortifications and naval guns. Page 41: I have told this true story at some length, both because Thompson was so influential in Mr. Hubbard’s intellectual development, and because it illustrates a little appreciated fact. A very few adventuresome souls really do have the fantastic experience described in science fiction or action-adventure stories.
    Page 42: Mr. Hubbard’s personal interest in the sea, in wild adventures in exotic lands, and in combining science with spiritual questing may in some significant measure have been inspired by Snake Thompson.
    http://books.google.se/books?id=MtW...=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#PPA39,M1

    Wikipedia William Sims Bainbridge
    Born October 12, 1940) is an American sociologist who currently resides in Virginia. He is co-director of Human-Centered Computing at the National Science Foundation (NSF) and also teaches sociology as a part-time professor at George Mason University. He is the first Senior Fellow to be appointed by the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies. Bainbridge is most well known for his work on the sociology of religion; recently, however, he has published work studying the sociology of video gaming.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Sims_Bainbridge
     
  14. Peter Soderqvist

    Peter Soderqvist Patron with Honors

    Soderqvist1: William Sims Bainbridge in the above link recounting the espionage tour by “snake” and Seoane Page 40: “Both Con and snake understood how dangerous the mission would be, but the doctor had the advantage of a good cover story for his travels. He would pretend to be a South African naturalist named Victor Kuhne, tramping the shores of the Pacific in search of scientific specimens. page 41; Thompson had in fact assembled 11,787 specimens of reptiles, amphibian , and insects, which he gave to the museum of the California Academy of Science, half under his own name and half under his guise as Victor Khune.”

    CHICAGO NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUM DECEMBER 8, 1947
    Page 298 The notable exception was the large collection made for the California Academy of Sciences by Victor Kuhn in 1910. Page 322: Type from Naze, Amami. No. 23852 California Academy of Sciences. Adult male. Collected by Mr. Victor Kuhne, April 26 to May 1, 1910.
    http://www.archive.org/stream/preliminarysurve325inge/preliminarysurve325inge_djvu.txt
     
  15. Peter Soderqvist

    Peter Soderqvist Patron with Honors

  16. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    Peter, truly ausgezeichnet! Thank you for this thread.

    TG1
     
  17. Jachs

    Jachs Gold Meritorious Patron


    Wow, great link to a book with snake thompson in it... i bet ole more-over dan sherman will be along any second ..


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  18. JimJam

    JimJam Patron with Honors

    Funny this thread was recently reactivated.

    For Hubbard's 100th Anniversary, CoS put out a PR page with links to video snippets. Basically, they are re-enactments of things Hubbard said in lectures.
    (with crappy acting and music)

    In this vid, Hubbard "recounts" meeting Commander Thompson on board ship when Hubbard was 12. He said "Snake" Thompson did not study under Freud, but was actually a close friend of Freud. And also that Thompson tutored the 12 year old Hubbard on the study of the mind both on the ship AND when they arrived in DC. Keep in mind, there was only about a 4 month window where they could come across each other and Hubbard was supposed to be earning more merit badges for scouts at this same time.
    http://rutube.ru/tracks/4253882.html?v=98c051ad381f82a9fc342aa67696b2b7
    (fyi, if it shows a commercial, just hit the small "x" in the upper right corner of the video)

    Post #6 of this thread says that Hubbard states that Thompson was just an acquaintance of his father and Hubbard was introduced to him, but never studied with him.

    Which makes more sense? A 12 kid being taken under the wing of a personal friend of Freud and educated on the study of the mind or a quick introduction and nothing more?
    The latter makes much more sense.
     
  19. ScientologyLRonHubbard

    ScientologyLRonHubbard Clearing L Ron Hubbard Scientology by Dianetics

    Bowing to Peter Söderqvist and Caroline Letkeman. Thank you for being such suppressive person to the mythology

    Joseph Cheesman Thompson less known Facts
    -Early expert on E-Meter fundamentals. wrote the Resume to Abramowski 1913
    -Aggressive Threats and Suing as Scare tactics in the name of Science
    -Marketing Management -Wartime -PR- Sociology of mass impact, to national mindsets by political science. The very odd blend -Psychotherapy with national mindsets and its folklorists -Diplomatic

    the galvanic skin response is fundamental to the E-meter function
    Yes, Radecki and Abramowski where the absolute pioneers in connecting the facts of emotions affect and the galvanic responses. Abramowski was a giant in the fields of subconscious and a professor of experimental psychology in Warsaw University from 1915 until his death. The Resume of Edward Abramowski's Pioneer manuscript on the psycho-galvanic - electrodermal effects on emotions was written by Joseph Cheesman Thomson in 1912-1913 under the name Dr. Victor Kühne. In the movie Dangerous Metod we can se Jung and freud using it

    Joseph Cheesman Thompson establishing himself as the German Naturalist Dr. Victor Kühne in Geneva, ... Perfecting the skills of being just a natural born German.
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    Joseph Cheesman Thompson is an organization

    Just as L Ron Hubbard took from many and anonymized their contributions and labeled it Scientology. The works of Joseph Cheesman Thompson can partly be visualized as the work of an organization, or one person heavily supported by an organization. After all being a Dr, Surgeon, Herpetologist and at the very same time being a frontier in Psychogalvanic Responses towards word association test and the emotional loaded by words letting their meanings meander in time, writing the resume to the frontiers in the fields. Gives us the support factor he had at the time. But even with massive help he was solely himself responsible for knowing what was written in his name.

    This highlight Thompson's role in trying change objective how national mindsets and folklorist beliefs straightly before a massive war. That take some nerve and some skills, in both psychology and psychiatry of the individuals towards the sociology of the nations.

    Political Science of Sociological Ruling - Diplomatics

    The publications by Victor Kühne might be interpreted as main interests in Slavic and Russian Sociology after he had established a heavy Scientific role as a highly reliable and trustworthy Doctor in Geneva. The psychology and psychiatry of politics through folklorists and national mindsets - Diplomatic. Or the Science of ruling politics by influencing sociology.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Wars

    Scientology History
    Psycho-galvanométriques sur l'émotivité, par M. Edouard Abramowski, résumées par M. le Dr Victor Kuhne
    Author/ Contributors: M. Edouard Abramowski. Victor Kuhne Edition/Format: Article : French
    Publication: Bulletin de l'Institut général psychologique, 1913 Volume 20
    Le subconscient normal Abramowski Edward 1914
    added thanks to Clearing Scientology Dianetic Lafayette Ronald Hubbard

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    Joe Tom Sun and Sigmund Freud
    Joseph Cheesman Thompson known as "Joe Tom Son" seems to have asked Sigmund Freud about a Dr Stekel. Most probably about something recent done or expressed by Dr Stekel. For some reason this haven been discussed.... Much talk about Thompson and Freud, but why forget the actual message & reason of transmission?

    Freud avoiding the straight answer
    I Guess Freud thought he was answering a prominent Dr and that this Dr was Dr Victor Kuhne. Freud appears avoiding to answer the question straight, if Joe Tom Sun did not question Sigmund Freud on the frequency of his relations with Dr Stekel, witch i find highly unlikely.

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    The year before the postcard Dr Stekel have published some works about Bi-sexual and Homosexuality

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    If not Surgeon Joseph C Thompson have a personal relation with Dr Stekel the questions about him would probably be about his recently known public whereabouts, right?
    -​

    Threats of Suing in the name of Science
    Joseph Cheesman Thompson became an assistant curator in Herpetology. A position that was abruptly terminated. A regrettable tangle of names by Thomas Babour indicate that Thompson threatened the academy by suing and so on.
    -​
    How could they Know that - Where is it?
    I find it very strange that a supposed obituary by a his wife "Hilda Thompson" with large donation to the cat "Pak Kwai Mau" is visible online only by Silas L. Warner references, Where is it? The Psychoanalytic Roots of Scientology, by Silas L. Warner, M. D., a paper presented at the American Academy of Psychoanalysis, New York City, writes about it. What date was it publicized in the San Fransisco Chronicle? Anyone have seen it?

    -Ok, fine. How do you know that Thompson not could speak German?
    -How Could you ever know that, really?

    Could Joseph Cheesman Thompson have been so stupid that he pretended to be German in Germany without being able to speak German?

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    Joseph Cheesman Thompson in Germany in 1908 one year before Sigismund Schlomo Freud came to Clark University in US. Perfecting his skills to appear a natural born German based in Geneva with the name Victor Kühne. It is very hard to say delicately what he was up to every day but i find it very likely that he was fluent in German, Spanish and French just as he would have known what Poet meant in Tagalog.

    Assuming a very little therapy, more a bragging style telling from Thompson, just in order to have an somewhat equal transfer and to blow the sad L Ron Hubbard's complicated sadness away. Hubbard got some mental images not very integrated. A major impact in this, blending the fragmented.
    Not Joseph Cheesman Thompson
    Wikipedia writes about a J. C. Thompson involved in the slapping incidence
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    Most probable identity is a James Claude Thompson head of the chemistry dep in the University during that time. His son has the same name
    The Thompson incident, mention a professor or a physician.

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    Joseph Cheesman Thompson have been many things but not a professor, as far as i know.
     
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  20. ScientologyLRonHubbard

    ScientologyLRonHubbard Clearing L Ron Hubbard Scientology by Dianetics

    Behind on the Volcano rock
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    What did Thompson do with Hubbard?

    From L Ron Hubbard Scientology drafts.

    Thompson first was an ordinary man asked by his colleague Harry Ross Hubbard to help his boy L Ron Hubbard. Ronald was sad and drifting away not so reachable... So, Thompson did what anyone near most probable would have.
    Trying to blow the little baby's cry away. trying to blow the lock of the youngster open. Taking a breath in and inspire.

    Straighten out the knit knots tying him in
    -pain in sexuality - what did tie him in - does not have to be true - for him-
    (here some traces of trauma handling & let go as the relief) (thought language that tied Hubbard down)

    Shooting straight from the hip, Thompson was telling small stories & stories he had. He could brag the little inbound weak inbound Hubbard's sadness away. Took some objection and turned them around - So he bragged about what he had been through so Hubbard easily could place himself in to that very position. After 1927 Ronald Hubbard starts...

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    What did Hubbard do with the world?
    He just echoes out what Thompson told him and the things that made him happier then, without ever fully understand them. Some ugly play with PR in Diplomatic language included, aimed in a specific purpose not as an overall law of waltz in nature.

    Tell the world what you have done - Spread the word - about him

    Very Early comes in parts strictly irrational expeditions (if they are not just strictly copycat actions like unearthing the cargo cultural antenna as a temporal bone) (Hubbard looking for something that is not there -or- performing cargo cultural spiritualist's - halo antenna ) (finding treasures money and gold from earlier memories)

    Selling what he tried to reach - The state of Clear -
    Re-Baptizing his hyper-reactivity as Ethics to the Suppressive person SP and PTS

    Make your failures be your strengths - Did not found gold on the gold searching journey
    - Guess what I found in my wife backyard

    Oct 3, 1927 A Ronald Hubbard starts telling about his experiences of the orient - he speaks in his school and tells Helena independent. He ends this with that he once was the youngest Eagle Scout ever.

    Then follows a series of adventures and expeditions. Pretending to have some value to science but more seems to be a cargo cult residual in sign repeating.

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    Going forward upon others weakness...


    L. Ron Hubbard has been elected president of the George Washington student chapter of the American Society of Civil Engineers. Searching for the legend legitimization from a ghost.
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    After Guam it starts - The adventurous


    One thing that Dr Joseph Cheesman Thompson might be very strong in is the ability to internalize other humans, to feel their functions, their faiths and fear. With his wide plethora experience, he was good in to telling short stories from life and letting Hubbard adopt that position - showing how easy massive major transfer of humans could be done in examples from the wartime in PR & Propaganda from that very time. And he was there he does know. Hi, placed himself mostly as a Teacher outside of the School, started the free lectures about animals on San Diego Zoo. Caesar the Kodiak bear traveled in his car to the zoo daily for a while and the Kodiak bear was his first lecture
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    Lex perplexes in perspective
    § Stasis iconography pair a graph in gravity §

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    What support Hubbard meeting Joseph Cheesman Thompson?
    Hubbard himself - Hubbard has the ultimately trustworthiness in an extremely small spectrum. He usually takes from other and put together something he tells the world he himself have done (Scientology). So, when Hubbard gives anyone else any-kind of credit. I will trust him when he does this without personal gain. The telling of a Commander Joseph Cheesman Thompson does not match anything else and is hard to market.

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    Hubbard starts after 1927 in Guam to go outbound
    Showing a cargo culture pattern of something he felt clearly, but most probably never not fully understand. in Guam Hubbard learned (by the bragging example) that the press could be captivated if handled right, he did understand that it could be done. After Guam he worked out how.
    In the name of Cargo Culture - Summon - Xerox in the blue print
    Hubbard forgot the most, but the mental image picture still goes - Searching earlier memories - Re incarnations - Ship ahoy
    -Caesar of repeats in Bear stories telling -Kodiak
    -The history of man -*
    -Stories from history echoes in -
    -Expeditions in the name of science
    -The E-meter function & how emotion of affect could be measured

    The only sign from psychotherapy and Freud is from the very old Psychotherapist style many react to when Scientology comes. Copied from an old copy. The action seems to be very first aid aim. And the action seems to be the result from a short time bragging style action. There is no sign of that Hubbard really did know Dr Thompson deeper than so. Your smiling in your dreams to another man rather reveals a man afraid of the deep.

    TRANSCRIPT OF TAPE #1 OF JUNE 28, 1984 - RON DEWOLF Side 1
    Dr. Snake Thompson, a psychiatrist in the Navy that my father knew via my grandfather. He named many, many sources for Scientology at various times throughout these early years.

    Decipher in the shipper the code in decoding the fish in the networking

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    Gobioclinus Kalisherae

    *The San Diego Natural History Society met at the laboratory of the department of anthropology at the Exposition grounds. After an address by the president, Gen. A. W. Vogdes, Surgeon J. C. Thompson gave a lecture on the natural history of men. . . . At the end of the lecture, attention was called to the necessity for a metropolitan museum association to permanently preserve the treasures that have been assembled in the Science and Man and Indian Arts buildings and in the California Quadrangle.

    *San Diego Union, June 20, 1915, Classified, 2:4. Fair officials suggested to control San Diego’s Natural History Museum, by Surgeon G. C. Thompson: The urgent need at present is that the community begin to formulate ways and means that will have in view the proper upkeep and maintenance of these collections as the nucleus of a museum of natural history.

    *To popularize the summer school the Exposition directors have fixed the unusually low fee of $7.50 for the term, which will include admission to the Exposition. Among the educators who will be in the faculty are Dr. J. C. Thompson, surgeon of the U.S. Navy; Dr. Edgar L. Hewett, director of the School of American Archaeology; Percy Alvin Martin, Ph. D., assistant professor of history, Stanford University; Dean W. F. Riles of the State Normal School, San Diego; Miriam F. Besley; William T. Skilling and Maria Goodard, in addition to special lecturers.
     

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