Guns and Butter Banned and Removed from KPFA Radio
Posted on August 16th, 2018
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Dear Guns and Butter Supporters and Listeners,
Guns and Butter has been taken off the KPFA airwaves by the General Manager of the station.
I received on Wednesday, August 8th, before Guns and Butter would have aired on KPFA, the following email from the General Manager:
Guns and Butter has been taken off the KPFA airwaves by the General Manager of the station.
I received on Wednesday, August 8th, before Guns and Butter would have aired on KPFA, the following email from the General Manager:
Bonnie,
KPFA will cease broadcasting “Guns and Butter” effective immediately.
We’ve received an avalanche of negative calls and emails from listeners about your uncritically airing of views by a holocaust denier, climate denial and casting the Parkland mass shooting survivors as crisis actors. As steward of our airways, we can’t defend this content to our listeners.
Sincerely,
Quincy McCoy Kevin Cartwright
General Manager Program Director
KPFA will cease broadcasting “Guns and Butter” effective immediately.
We’ve received an avalanche of negative calls and emails from listeners about your uncritically airing of views by a holocaust denier, climate denial and casting the Parkland mass shooting survivors as crisis actors. As steward of our airways, we can’t defend this content to our listeners.
Sincerely,
Quincy McCoy Kevin Cartwright
General Manager Program Director
This was followed by removal of the entire KPFA broadcast archives of Guns and Butter, down the memory hole.
KPFA defines itself as "Free Speech Radio" and this reaction is a form of censorship. There was no discussion of these claims, nor any provision for due process or community involvement before these actions were taken. If you are as taken aback as we are, as many of our listeners have already expressed to us by email, you can have your voice heard in this matter.
You can make in-person comments at the next KPFA Local Station Board Meeting this Saturday.
In Person Comments:
KPFA Local Station Board Meeting
Saturday, August 18th, 11:00AM
Town Hall Meeting, 1:00PM.
Public comments will be taken.
North Berkeley Senior Center
1901 Hearst Avenue
Berkeley, California
(Hearst Avenue and Martin Luther King Jr. Way)
(Wheel chair accessible)
Online Comments:
And please forward this to others you know who have the same concerns. With the recent move of censorship by many companies, it is more important than ever to make your voice heard.
KPFA defines itself as "Free Speech Radio" and this reaction is a form of censorship. There was no discussion of these claims, nor any provision for due process or community involvement before these actions were taken. If you are as taken aback as we are, as many of our listeners have already expressed to us by email, you can have your voice heard in this matter.
You can make in-person comments at the next KPFA Local Station Board Meeting this Saturday.
In Person Comments:
KPFA Local Station Board Meeting
Saturday, August 18th, 11:00AM
Town Hall Meeting, 1:00PM.
Public comments will be taken.
North Berkeley Senior Center
1901 Hearst Avenue
Berkeley, California
(Hearst Avenue and Martin Luther King Jr. Way)
(Wheel chair accessible)
Online Comments:
- General Manager: gm@kpfa.org
- General Inquiries: comments@kpfa.org
- KPFA Local Station Board: kpfalsb@googlegroups.com
- Interim Executive Director Tom Livingston: ed@pacifica.org
- Pacifica National Board (PNB): pnb@pacifica.org
And please forward this to others you know who have the same concerns. With the recent move of censorship by many companies, it is more important than ever to make your voice heard.
Background
On July 24th, after registering unique premiums I had developed for the two-week KPFA Summer Fund Drive, I received an email from the pledge room informing me that Guns and Butter was pre-empted for the two-week fund drive. The show had never been pre-empted during fund drives, no reason was given, nor any prior notice.
On July 18th I received one other message from the station - the General Manager forwarded to me two email complaints from listeners, the day Guns and Butter aired The Impact of Zionist Influence in the U.S., a presentation by Alan Sabrosky as part of a panel, Zionism – Deconstructing the Power Paradigm, from an online conference. The GM wrote that he agreed with the criticism, that there was “nothing in the mission that agrees or allows unbalanced issue shows like this especially about a topic as sensitive as this.”
Response to Claims
“Holocaust Denial” Alan Sabrosky is a Jewish American war veteran and former Army War College Director at the Strategic Studies Institute. He did not claim that there was no persecution of Jewish people in fascist Germany. The focus of his talk was on present and future perils, specifically war with Iran. Airing his brief comments on WWII is apparently what has angered some people. There could be an equivalent number of people who appreciated those comments but did not choose to send an email about them.
“Climate Denial” (Whatever that means) Programming on Guns and Butter has covered climate disruption, climate extremes, etc. It has not flat out supported the theory that global warming is the future trend because there are other scientific phenomenon and influences on the climate that are being studied such as sun cycles, space weather and the weakening of the earth’s magnetosphere, among other factors, that should be considered.
“Crisis Actors” No one on the show claimed that Parkland student shooting survivors were crisis actors. What was pointed out was that it was suspicious that the student activist whose political narrative was picked up by the media was not even at the school during the shooting, but showed up right afterward.
About Guns and Butter
Guns and Butter is an educational program that provides a platform for opinions and analyses not heard in the mainstream media. The program is not necessarily about what I think or believe, nor does it constitute an endorsement of every thing said by a guest, but an opportunity for thought and discussion by listeners interested in differing points of view. In a time of extreme polarity in our country, open sharing of ideas is where we need to be.
Guns and Butter spearheaded deep analysis of the seminal event of the 21st Century – the crimes of September 11th that no other program on KPFA would deal with. I also produced many hours of original economic and financial programming with Dr. Michael Hudson, Dr. Michel Chossudovsky, Dr. Webster Tarpley, to name a few. You wouldn’t realize it now, but there wasn’t any other financial/economic programming on the station at the time. The geopolitical coverage on Guns and Butter has also been superb. The show has produced outstanding programming on a wide variety of complex and difficult subjects.
Guns and Butter was created by me and a fellow volunteer reporter in the KPFA Newsroom in 2001. It was approved for broadcast by a democratic vote of the KPFA Program Council that included community members. The program is fully edited and mixed for broadcast, and is a more than full-time stressful job to produce. It has aired for 17 years and has raised multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars for the station, which reflects very strong listener support. I have never received any support from the station.
An unprecedented attack on the 1st Amendment right of free speech is taking place generally. Alternative media on the Internet is being removed, not just from social media platforms, but websites themselves have come under denial of service attack. Youtube has for some time been eliminating channels. I have just learned that Word Press is taking down websites. Computer algorithms are clamping down on search engines for alternative news and has adversely affected many popular sites, including Global Research.
It seems that differing viewpoints are no longer allowed on KPFA's airwaves and that listeners’ feelings are purportedly being protected by station management when it is information, facts and data that should given the highest precedence by management, not opinions. It is always uncomfortable hearing something that one finds offensive or that threatens to break one out of one's bubble, but it is an individual's responsibility not the station’s to take care of one’s own feelings. And rather than management deciding what listeners should or should not hear because of managements’ own personal biases or pressure from special interest groups, listeners’ ability to think for themselves and make up their own minds should be respected and not be subject to censorship of ideas and unknown research from either the Right or the Left, especially when it comes to KPFA which should be guided by the Pacifica mission that includes the following:
To establish a Foundation organized and operated exclusively for educational purposes. ………In radio broadcasting operations to engage in any activity that shall contribute to a lasting understanding between nations and between the individuals of all nations, races, creeds and colors; to gather and disseminate information on the causes of conflict between any and all of such groups; and through any and all means compatible with the purposes of this corporation to promote the study of political and economic problems and of the causes of religious, philosophical and racial antagonisms.
Guns and Butter is broadcast on WBAI in New York City every Wednesday at 9AM and is carried on many Pacifica Affiliates and will continue to be archived here on the Guns and Butter website.
We need your financial help to sustain our programming, most especially during this extremely difficult time of alternative media censorship, and we thank you for your support. Thank you to everyone who has signed up for monthly sustainable contributions, and to those of you who have made one-time donations. We cannot express enough our gratitude. As always, your donations are tax-deductible to the full extent of the law. Guns and Butter is a project of Inquiring Systems, a registered 501(c)(3) that has been providing non-profit status to socially responsible organizations since 1978.
On July 24th, after registering unique premiums I had developed for the two-week KPFA Summer Fund Drive, I received an email from the pledge room informing me that Guns and Butter was pre-empted for the two-week fund drive. The show had never been pre-empted during fund drives, no reason was given, nor any prior notice.
On July 18th I received one other message from the station - the General Manager forwarded to me two email complaints from listeners, the day Guns and Butter aired The Impact of Zionist Influence in the U.S., a presentation by Alan Sabrosky as part of a panel, Zionism – Deconstructing the Power Paradigm, from an online conference. The GM wrote that he agreed with the criticism, that there was “nothing in the mission that agrees or allows unbalanced issue shows like this especially about a topic as sensitive as this.”
Response to Claims
“Holocaust Denial” Alan Sabrosky is a Jewish American war veteran and former Army War College Director at the Strategic Studies Institute. He did not claim that there was no persecution of Jewish people in fascist Germany. The focus of his talk was on present and future perils, specifically war with Iran. Airing his brief comments on WWII is apparently what has angered some people. There could be an equivalent number of people who appreciated those comments but did not choose to send an email about them.
“Climate Denial” (Whatever that means) Programming on Guns and Butter has covered climate disruption, climate extremes, etc. It has not flat out supported the theory that global warming is the future trend because there are other scientific phenomenon and influences on the climate that are being studied such as sun cycles, space weather and the weakening of the earth’s magnetosphere, among other factors, that should be considered.
“Crisis Actors” No one on the show claimed that Parkland student shooting survivors were crisis actors. What was pointed out was that it was suspicious that the student activist whose political narrative was picked up by the media was not even at the school during the shooting, but showed up right afterward.
About Guns and Butter
Guns and Butter is an educational program that provides a platform for opinions and analyses not heard in the mainstream media. The program is not necessarily about what I think or believe, nor does it constitute an endorsement of every thing said by a guest, but an opportunity for thought and discussion by listeners interested in differing points of view. In a time of extreme polarity in our country, open sharing of ideas is where we need to be.
Guns and Butter spearheaded deep analysis of the seminal event of the 21st Century – the crimes of September 11th that no other program on KPFA would deal with. I also produced many hours of original economic and financial programming with Dr. Michael Hudson, Dr. Michel Chossudovsky, Dr. Webster Tarpley, to name a few. You wouldn’t realize it now, but there wasn’t any other financial/economic programming on the station at the time. The geopolitical coverage on Guns and Butter has also been superb. The show has produced outstanding programming on a wide variety of complex and difficult subjects.
Guns and Butter was created by me and a fellow volunteer reporter in the KPFA Newsroom in 2001. It was approved for broadcast by a democratic vote of the KPFA Program Council that included community members. The program is fully edited and mixed for broadcast, and is a more than full-time stressful job to produce. It has aired for 17 years and has raised multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars for the station, which reflects very strong listener support. I have never received any support from the station.
An unprecedented attack on the 1st Amendment right of free speech is taking place generally. Alternative media on the Internet is being removed, not just from social media platforms, but websites themselves have come under denial of service attack. Youtube has for some time been eliminating channels. I have just learned that Word Press is taking down websites. Computer algorithms are clamping down on search engines for alternative news and has adversely affected many popular sites, including Global Research.
It seems that differing viewpoints are no longer allowed on KPFA's airwaves and that listeners’ feelings are purportedly being protected by station management when it is information, facts and data that should given the highest precedence by management, not opinions. It is always uncomfortable hearing something that one finds offensive or that threatens to break one out of one's bubble, but it is an individual's responsibility not the station’s to take care of one’s own feelings. And rather than management deciding what listeners should or should not hear because of managements’ own personal biases or pressure from special interest groups, listeners’ ability to think for themselves and make up their own minds should be respected and not be subject to censorship of ideas and unknown research from either the Right or the Left, especially when it comes to KPFA which should be guided by the Pacifica mission that includes the following:
To establish a Foundation organized and operated exclusively for educational purposes. ………In radio broadcasting operations to engage in any activity that shall contribute to a lasting understanding between nations and between the individuals of all nations, races, creeds and colors; to gather and disseminate information on the causes of conflict between any and all of such groups; and through any and all means compatible with the purposes of this corporation to promote the study of political and economic problems and of the causes of religious, philosophical and racial antagonisms.
Guns and Butter is broadcast on WBAI in New York City every Wednesday at 9AM and is carried on many Pacifica Affiliates and will continue to be archived here on the Guns and Butter website.
We need your financial help to sustain our programming, most especially during this extremely difficult time of alternative media censorship, and we thank you for your support. Thank you to everyone who has signed up for monthly sustainable contributions, and to those of you who have made one-time donations. We cannot express enough our gratitude. As always, your donations are tax-deductible to the full extent of the law. Guns and Butter is a project of Inquiring Systems, a registered 501(c)(3) that has been providing non-profit status to socially responsible organizations since 1978.
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75 Comments
Kathy A. - August 16th, 2018 at 11:09 PM
Tell me please this isn't so. After reading the reasons why KPFA Management has removed this show, it doesn't make sense. What sources really got to this station? Isn't this amazing show about exhibiting freedom of speech and opinion? More than all that, Bonnie's interviewing often included cutting edge thinkers, backed by research and investigative journalism. This show has opened up my thinking in so many ways, more so than any other source, especially in the age of not trusting main media news. Who was getting threatened by what was being broadcast? Who at the station ALLOWED those who complained (and who knows who those sources really are) to sacrifice the BEST show in their lineup? I will cease donating until Bonnie is allowed to return in full force.
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Issar - August 31st, 2018 at 11:33 AM
It's the Defamation Leauge. Sabrosky will be lucky if he doesn't get extradicted to Germany on a 10 year jail sentence for agreeing with other Jewish historians such as Professor Marcus that several hundred thousand Jews were killed in WWII-- not millions.
Everyone should do their own research. But 'climate denial' and the Parkland shooting had nothing to do with the dismissal. Quincy McCoy just threw that fairy dust in to hide his coerced motivation. Sabrosky just happens to agree with certain historians and not others. And, as we see, that is not allowed to even be mentioned in a few breaths.
As Sabrosky mentions, any 'narrative' that has to hide behind serious jail time in 10 countries for contradiction has something seriously wrong with it.
Everyone should do their own research. But 'climate denial' and the Parkland shooting had nothing to do with the dismissal. Quincy McCoy just threw that fairy dust in to hide his coerced motivation. Sabrosky just happens to agree with certain historians and not others. And, as we see, that is not allowed to even be mentioned in a few breaths.
As Sabrosky mentions, any 'narrative' that has to hide behind serious jail time in 10 countries for contradiction has something seriously wrong with it.
duggy duggan - August 17th, 2018 at 7:57 AM
Zionist world dictatorship types want to keep the 6 million number sacrosanct...if it was 300,000, as some suggest... horrible... one killed is too many... but the excusers. like the dramatic number 6 million...
the likud; mossad; idf are acting just like the nazis toward the palestinians...it is said roth schild is the original funding source fr new israel..what a horror that became..remember rachel corrie, bulldozed
the likud; mossad; idf are acting just like the nazis toward the palestinians...it is said roth schild is the original funding source fr new israel..what a horror that became..remember rachel corrie, bulldozed
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Yuri - August 21st, 2018 at 12:43 AM
in general terms, most world historians list the number killed in the camps as 9-11 million, all agree slightly less than 50% were jews............. you never hear about the others........ only the claimed 6 mill. jews
it is so often framed that way, i have lost count
it is so often framed that way, i have lost count
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Jim Coyle - August 25th, 2018 at 4:45 PM
Please give a source for your number, Yuri.
Gratefully,
Jim Coyle
Sebastopol
Gratefully,
Jim Coyle
Sebastopol
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Keith Harcourt - September 1st, 2018 at 12:51 AM
International Red Cross numbers the deaths in German concentration camps at around 271,000. This document is readily found on the web.
Deb Hawthorn - August 17th, 2018 at 7:57 AM
Oh, Bonnie, this makes me heartsick, and I'll definitely write a comment to the station manager. I've always appreciated your courage in choosing topics that no one else is covering and the professionalism with which you prepare for and conduct your interviews. Like Kathy A., I've learned a lot from "Guns and Butter" broadcasts; and I've been introduced, through them, to thinkers like Michel Chossudovsky whom I now follow separately. I desperately hope that WBAI and other Pacifica affiliates will continue to stand with you in broadcasting perspectives that are available nowhere else.
Jane Allen Clark - August 17th, 2018 at 8:30 AM
Sounds like management got a call from a group of Jewish activists that have done the same thing in other parts of the country to stop people from hearing points of view, and think it is their duty to crush any criticism of Israeli or Jewish actions. Most likely there is a source of monetary support for the station that is being threatened and that is not something management would even tell you. Unfortunate but sounds like KPFA Management has no backbone and no courage. It also sounds like they did not do their homework before making a decision to cut your programming. Short sighted people to me and your show was the only one I listened to on their programming, and now I will not even bother.
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Jo formin - August 26th, 2018 at 6:42 PM
Don't confuse Zionists with Jews please. And understand many Zionists aren't even Jewish. Those who
rail against Jews are uninformed. .this is about Zionist activity.
rail against Jews are uninformed. .this is about Zionist activity.
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Mr. Ernst Z - August 31st, 2018 at 11:24 AM
Screw you jew apologist. It's the jews - it's ALWAYS been the jews WAY BEFORE the idea or concept of 'Zionism' came in the late 1800s ! I can't shake hands with 'communism', since it's not even a thing, or a person, but a CONCEPT, created by jews by the way. But I can meet, I can shake hands with a jew - since they are oh so very real. Wait, lemme guess what you will want to say next: "Not every jew OR It's not ALL the jews ..." Yeah - no kidding. So original. We get that, we have ALWAYS gotten that. Why is it that simple minded people assume others are as well and will be swayed by the same simple non-sense and non argument. It's not ALL Chevrolets. It's not ALL
Apples. It's only the "zionist" apples w/ the worms. It's not ALL pet food treats made in China.
GET the POINT - or need I go on ??!! Reputations get earned. Repeat > GET EARNED.
People just don't randomly assign reputations and "stereotypes" for no reason out of the blue ! SOooo - how about a 2000 year reputation for ya. That work ? Such nice things have been
written & recorded. Samples: liars, deceivers, political and financial intrigue, swindlers,
schemers, plotters, hysterical false accusations against others often amounting to inversion,
and so on ... Save the best for last tho ' >> nation wreckers, betrayers, back stabbers, well
poisoners, culture destroyers ... AND ... 'mankind's eternal enemy'. Imagine, JUST IMAGINE
having THAT written about you as a descriptor ? How much anger and outrage would one have
to engender ?!! I'll finish w/ pedophiles, child kidnappers, & child sacrificers, or if you prefer ritual child murderers. Not pleasant I know, and I'm sure it's ALL "blood libel" - every bit of it. My only defense is I didn't make it up. Read the Talmud.
Apples. It's only the "zionist" apples w/ the worms. It's not ALL pet food treats made in China.
GET the POINT - or need I go on ??!! Reputations get earned. Repeat > GET EARNED.
People just don't randomly assign reputations and "stereotypes" for no reason out of the blue ! SOooo - how about a 2000 year reputation for ya. That work ? Such nice things have been
written & recorded. Samples: liars, deceivers, political and financial intrigue, swindlers,
schemers, plotters, hysterical false accusations against others often amounting to inversion,
and so on ... Save the best for last tho ' >> nation wreckers, betrayers, back stabbers, well
poisoners, culture destroyers ... AND ... 'mankind's eternal enemy'. Imagine, JUST IMAGINE
having THAT written about you as a descriptor ? How much anger and outrage would one have
to engender ?!! I'll finish w/ pedophiles, child kidnappers, & child sacrificers, or if you prefer ritual child murderers. Not pleasant I know, and I'm sure it's ALL "blood libel" - every bit of it. My only defense is I didn't make it up. Read the Talmud.
J. Michael Springmann - August 17th, 2018 at 9:05 AM
You can't criticize apartheid-loving Zio-Nazis or question the carefully-constructed story about the Parkland shooting--or how kids with great media savvy suddenly appear, demanding the end of the 2nd Amendment..
Obviously,the Bill of Rights is divisible. Now the 1st Amendment is under attack. But, that depends on your political viewpoint. Some animals are more equal than others.
Mike Springmann
PS Full Disclosure: Bonnie interviewed me about my controversial books, "Visas for Al Qaeda" & "Goodbye, Europe? Hello, Chaos?"
Obviously,the Bill of Rights is divisible. Now the 1st Amendment is under attack. But, that depends on your political viewpoint. Some animals are more equal than others.
Mike Springmann
PS Full Disclosure: Bonnie interviewed me about my controversial books, "Visas for Al Qaeda" & "Goodbye, Europe? Hello, Chaos?"
Bill Gibbons - August 17th, 2018 at 9:07 AM
This is what I wrote on the IndyBay site:
Bonnie Faulkner the real Jewel of Pacifica not Amy Goodman
Bonnie Faulkner was treated poorly by KPFA, she wasn't paid for producing a startlingly impressive, deep journalistic show, KPFA even screwed her out of hundreds of dollars over a minor issue about gifts for pledge drives, but she kept plugging a way doing some of the best journalism KPFA has ever presented for free. Amy Goodman is fawned over and she has deliberately lied to support her funder George Soros. Bonnie Faulkner is Pacifica's real jewel, she doesn't mis-represent the facts to comfort billionaires and she's not acquired millions of dollars in the process. Recently Christopher Bollyn has written books exposing Israeli's role in the 911 attacks which murdered 3,000 Americans in 2001. The left movement world is now reacting in waves to Bollyn's work. Bonnie Faulkner was the only journalist on KPFA to expose the Jewish role in 911, this included Benjamin Netenahyu's commanding role, the role of the state of Israel, Israeli Army Intelligence, and the role of dual US-Israeli Jewish citizens in America in the attack. Israel had help in the attack from the Bush White House and US media, the world media including Amy Goodman and Noam Chomsky has deliberately run cover for the conspirators. 911 is a seminal world event and its still important because Muslims have been blamed and now millions of Muslims are being slaughtered in US-Israeli and NATO 911 wars. We can see Israel benefits from these wars attacking its neighbors and expanding it's influence. Bonnie Faulkner is also the only Pacifica journalist besides Cynthia McKinney to question the role of Jewish power in the control of Congress. These important truths are what really got Bonnie Faulkner fired and this fact is unacceptable to KPFA listeners. What kind of journalism will KPFA have left in a post 'Guns and Butter' situation besides 'Flashpoints'? The Silicon Valley media is already clamping down on alternative journalism, now we won't even have Bonnie to expose the crimes of empire.
--Bill Gibbons, Petaluma CA, former Project Censored Contributor and volunteer, Supporter of the Revolutionary Communist Party.
Bonnie Faulkner the real Jewel of Pacifica not Amy Goodman
Bonnie Faulkner was treated poorly by KPFA, she wasn't paid for producing a startlingly impressive, deep journalistic show, KPFA even screwed her out of hundreds of dollars over a minor issue about gifts for pledge drives, but she kept plugging a way doing some of the best journalism KPFA has ever presented for free. Amy Goodman is fawned over and she has deliberately lied to support her funder George Soros. Bonnie Faulkner is Pacifica's real jewel, she doesn't mis-represent the facts to comfort billionaires and she's not acquired millions of dollars in the process. Recently Christopher Bollyn has written books exposing Israeli's role in the 911 attacks which murdered 3,000 Americans in 2001. The left movement world is now reacting in waves to Bollyn's work. Bonnie Faulkner was the only journalist on KPFA to expose the Jewish role in 911, this included Benjamin Netenahyu's commanding role, the role of the state of Israel, Israeli Army Intelligence, and the role of dual US-Israeli Jewish citizens in America in the attack. Israel had help in the attack from the Bush White House and US media, the world media including Amy Goodman and Noam Chomsky has deliberately run cover for the conspirators. 911 is a seminal world event and its still important because Muslims have been blamed and now millions of Muslims are being slaughtered in US-Israeli and NATO 911 wars. We can see Israel benefits from these wars attacking its neighbors and expanding it's influence. Bonnie Faulkner is also the only Pacifica journalist besides Cynthia McKinney to question the role of Jewish power in the control of Congress. These important truths are what really got Bonnie Faulkner fired and this fact is unacceptable to KPFA listeners. What kind of journalism will KPFA have left in a post 'Guns and Butter' situation besides 'Flashpoints'? The Silicon Valley media is already clamping down on alternative journalism, now we won't even have Bonnie to expose the crimes of empire.
--Bill Gibbons, Petaluma CA, former Project Censored Contributor and volunteer, Supporter of the Revolutionary Communist Party.
Tim Riley - August 17th, 2018 at 9:33 AM
Since when did expressing different points of view or questioning the official narrative become a reason to shut down the discussion. The KPFA GM and PM have lost their way. Speaking out and airing differing views takes too much courage in these Orwellian times. KPFA is one of the last great public forums free enough to investigate taboo subjects, which are ridiculed, silenced, or protected by blustery outrage elsewhere. KPFA needs to weather the storm and broadcast brave analysis and supposition that will sometimes include speculation beyond what can be proven or backed by popular belief. KPFA fell short of their fund drive goals and pulling their best content from air will make that problem even bigger. I greatly value and appreciate Bonnie Faulkner's work. The public desperately needs to hear popular assumptions challenged. I will appeal to the station board to ask for their intervention on behalf of brave programming that serves us all with a
fearless perspectives.
fearless perspectives.
Cheryl Meeker - August 17th, 2018 at 9:45 AM
I can't believe KPFA would ban Guns and Butter, probably my favorite program on the station, only ahead of Rising Up, Against the Grain, CounterSpin, Flash Points, and UpFront. Guns and Butter is the bravest and challenging show on KPFA. It is outrageous that the station would bend to outside forces without a debate and consultation with the listenership. Why can't the programs be archived, so that we may listen to the "objectionable" material -- so we can make our own minds up about what was aired? To address just one of the concerns, I am a climate justice activist who understands that the science shows that we will have significant warming into the future and think it should be perhaps our biggest public concern, yet, why would I not want to consider other scientific phenomenon that affect climate? Even if I do not agree with the viewpoint promulgated by the program on that subject, that doesn't mean I don't want to continue to consider views that don't mirror my own. In fact, I think it essential that we consider other information that may not support our own views. After all, this kind of information silo-ing is a huge problem in the age of vast media privatization. Return Guns and Butter to the airwaves!
Joan Moore - August 17th, 2018 at 9:49 AM
I am outraged that KPFA Management would stop broadcasting Guns and Butter. It is one too many disappointments with this station over the last year or so, and my husband and I have abandoned our plans to leave a legacy to the station. I have also cut back on my support in general and don't listen like I always used to do. But I always tried to catch Guns and Butter. Now, with that gone, I have even less interest in the station.
Elizabeth Sempadian - August 17th, 2018 at 10:24 AM
As a decades long supporter it troubles me that KPFA would not permit other views to be presented on any
issue being discussed. We do not have to agree, but to be deprived of a program that presents other
than the usual is a loss for us and will be a loss for the station.
Expected better from KPFA, which could let it stand and merely add that it does not represent its view.
What about a vote from listeners to determine what they wish to hear.
issue being discussed. We do not have to agree, but to be deprived of a program that presents other
than the usual is a loss for us and will be a loss for the station.
Expected better from KPFA, which could let it stand and merely add that it does not represent its view.
What about a vote from listeners to determine what they wish to hear.
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SKY AMORY - August 18th, 2018 at 7:48 AM
Yes, I think some kind of petition should be enlisted to bring Bonnie back by popular demand. The mere fact that she's the only one who takes an authentic stand on 9/11 qualifies her as lone voice for UNCOMPROMISED truth on KPFA.
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Danny - August 20th, 2018 at 8:50 PM
I listen religiously to Guns and Butter, and it hasn't made me a radical threat to our nation. I still vote, shop, and enjoy it because it contributes to a diversity of opinions. This is overreach by ... the powers that be under this regime.
Amy Harlib - August 17th, 2018 at 11:02 AM
This attack on free speech and freedom of the press is so horrifying. I'm glad WBAI is still airing your show.
It is so vital that there is always somewhere to go to get 'real news' and real thought provoking ideas.
It is so vital that there is always somewhere to go to get 'real news' and real thought provoking ideas.
james hammond - August 17th, 2018 at 11:19 AM
bonnie you are joan d'arc for truth and we are not going to let you be burned by these thugs: i did not hear the show, but i know your track record for it is my all-time fave show on radio or TV and i respect your efforts more than anybody.
i'll be there saturday to scream out my objections...as you join the exodus of independent voices of american media along with the outcast aimee allison and i'm sure others....but one is too much. these thugs are cia clones and ought to be fired. we need to elect a new manager and remind her, i sy HER and i know we had one who was a traitor to the cause so we cannot trust anyone in power. power corrupts the best of us. we are the people, tho' and we shall rise for truth on our radio station.
i'll be there saturday to scream out my objections...as you join the exodus of independent voices of american media along with the outcast aimee allison and i'm sure others....but one is too much. these thugs are cia clones and ought to be fired. we need to elect a new manager and remind her, i sy HER and i know we had one who was a traitor to the cause so we cannot trust anyone in power. power corrupts the best of us. we are the people, tho' and we shall rise for truth on our radio station.
Gwen Winter - August 17th, 2018 at 12:52 PM
I'm in agreement of all that's been said in favor of Guns And Butter, with one exception:. Please folks, don't say "Jewish" when you're speaking collectively, say "Zionist.". We Jewish are of many persuasions, many of us are atheists, agnostics. Some of us very religious. I used to be one that loved all our holiday celebrations, but don't participate much any more. But Zionsts, to me are murderers of Palistinians, and don't follow the religion they supposedly accept. I'd never accept the Zionists as Jews, they're closer to Nazis! And never forget Middle easterners, including Palistinians are SEMITES.
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Michael-David - August 21st, 2018 at 7:32 AM
OK. I don't believe Guns and Butter should have been taken off the air for this. But honestly I do believe it should have been given a warning for promoting hate speech and if Bonnie can't tell the difference between unpopular views and hate speech then another member of our community should be given control of this air time. Bonnie owes KPFA listeners (and the Jewish community) an apology for allowing this crap on the airwaves.
The "fuck you" to the memory of the dead wasn't even the worst of it--it was bad. But if these speeches were the one's I heard, the speaker not only is committed to dishonoring the dead to make a political point, he makes a clear political commitment that people should blame a Jewish lobby and not a Zionist lobby for the strategic alliance between the US govt and the Israeli govt. That is pretty much text book anti-semitism and is the kind of speech used to incite and justify pogroms and worse. (It's also analytically inaccurate regarding both the material interests of US empire in the Middle East/West Asia and in ignoring the large Christian Evangelical pro-zionist component of that lobby.).
If Bonnie can't see the difference between that and allowing wingnuts who think climate change is not influenced by human activity access, that's really too bad. There are plenty of other shows on KPFA where anti-zionist politics can be found that aren't confused about whether bad politics are inherent in Jewish DNA.
FWIW, I've been an anti-zionist Jewish activist for most of my life.
The "fuck you" to the memory of the dead wasn't even the worst of it--it was bad. But if these speeches were the one's I heard, the speaker not only is committed to dishonoring the dead to make a political point, he makes a clear political commitment that people should blame a Jewish lobby and not a Zionist lobby for the strategic alliance between the US govt and the Israeli govt. That is pretty much text book anti-semitism and is the kind of speech used to incite and justify pogroms and worse. (It's also analytically inaccurate regarding both the material interests of US empire in the Middle East/West Asia and in ignoring the large Christian Evangelical pro-zionist component of that lobby.).
If Bonnie can't see the difference between that and allowing wingnuts who think climate change is not influenced by human activity access, that's really too bad. There are plenty of other shows on KPFA where anti-zionist politics can be found that aren't confused about whether bad politics are inherent in Jewish DNA.
FWIW, I've been an anti-zionist Jewish activist for most of my life.
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Andrew B. - August 25th, 2018 at 7:32 AM
But here is the problem: if one makes a reference to "Zionists", then the complaint goes out that that word is just a code word for "Jew". So it is more honest and straightforward to use the word "Jew". And if someone doesn't agree with what is being said about a Jew or the Jews, then they can just say so. Let's face it - this is - and will remain - an ongoing controversy. But trying to censor free speech is a political no-no and will eventually catch up with you. Ethical people understand this.
Nazreen Kadir - August 17th, 2018 at 1:49 PM
The GM's decision must be reviewed at once by the KPFA listening community. The current trend of censorship 'at will' across social/mainstream/alternative media is disturbing. At a time when the drums of war against Iran are drowning out all voices, for example, it is more, not less, critical for KPFA programming to sound the anti-war bell loud and clear. Few programs do this better than Guns and Butter.
Kathryn Murray - August 17th, 2018 at 2:54 PM
I am truly outraged. This is the only reason I listen to KPFA -- Guns & Butter is a phenomenal show unlike any other, offering information gleaned from sources about politics and what is truly going on in our country that you will not find elsewhere, unless you go digging and digging. Freedom of speech is disappearing in our Country, unfortunately and Guns & Butter is one of the ways to feel rest assured that you are hearing from ALL sides of an issue. Also, I don't see one comment that is anti-Guns & Butter here on the comment sections. Are we sure that the negativity experienced didn't come from from a plethora of hired workers from threatened sources of what has been broadcasting? Shame on the Management for caving in. I beg them to re-instate this amazing, needed and very informative broadcast. Bonnie is one of a kind.
Lee Jamison - August 17th, 2018 at 5:26 PM
Time to call the ACLU
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Deborah Chandler - August 20th, 2018 at 6:22 AM
Don't bother. The ACLU is run by the Zionists.
David F Palmer - August 17th, 2018 at 6:21 PM
I'm truly shocked.
I had never heard of KPFA until I heard of Guns and Butter (I live in Western Australia). I had the privilege of meeting Bonnie Falkner at the Justice in Focus 911 conference in New York in September 2016.
Whither goest thou America? I fear for the future of your democracy (and ours). And since the entire Western World follows your lead, whither goest we?
I had never heard of KPFA until I heard of Guns and Butter (I live in Western Australia). I had the privilege of meeting Bonnie Falkner at the Justice in Focus 911 conference in New York in September 2016.
Whither goest thou America? I fear for the future of your democracy (and ours). And since the entire Western World follows your lead, whither goest we?
Wanda Warkentin - August 17th, 2018 at 7:13 PM
Hi Bonnie,
I heard the news that the show had been cancelled and on Wednesday I showed up at 1:00 to protest. I thought there would be others, but I was the only one. I proceeded in a single person demonstration. and spoke to a number of people who agreed that this action exhibited a totalitarian, speech - and thought-controlling attitude. I realize that many had not yet heard the news. I definitely want them to know that you have a whole lot of support out here in radio land. Many people don't listen to KPFA (honestly it is the most boring yet dangerous elite communist propaganda I have ever heard) except for Guns and Butter. The statement made by the director Is meant to intimidate us from stating any view that disagrees. The way is is put, if you say you support Guns and Butter, you are automatically a "holocaust denier". Kind of like George Bush saying "you're either with us or against us". Thanks for all the great shows and may your show continue in some way or another. It is a tremendous loss to us if we can't hear the show anymore.
I heard the news that the show had been cancelled and on Wednesday I showed up at 1:00 to protest. I thought there would be others, but I was the only one. I proceeded in a single person demonstration. and spoke to a number of people who agreed that this action exhibited a totalitarian, speech - and thought-controlling attitude. I realize that many had not yet heard the news. I definitely want them to know that you have a whole lot of support out here in radio land. Many people don't listen to KPFA (honestly it is the most boring yet dangerous elite communist propaganda I have ever heard) except for Guns and Butter. The statement made by the director Is meant to intimidate us from stating any view that disagrees. The way is is put, if you say you support Guns and Butter, you are automatically a "holocaust denier". Kind of like George Bush saying "you're either with us or against us". Thanks for all the great shows and may your show continue in some way or another. It is a tremendous loss to us if we can't hear the show anymore.
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rebecca - August 17th, 2018 at 10:44 PM
GUNS N BUTTER CAN BE HEARD ON WBAI RADIO..
Elizabeth Shanklin - August 17th, 2018 at 7:33 PM
I want to thank you, Bonnie, for the excellent education you have provided us.. I agree with Lee Jamison above. It's time to call the ACLU, and expose those behind this contempt for the truth and our well-being..
SFOMARCO - August 17th, 2018 at 11:03 PM
%u201CClimate Denial%u201D? NOT! %u201CCrisis Actors%u201D? NOT! %u201CHolocaust Denial%u201D? When Guns-n-Butter aired that two-part series, I said to myself, "No way G-n-B survives". Unfortunately, I was correct. Quincy McCoy and Kevin Cartwright drank the Kool-Aid, possibly via GTMO-style %u201Crectal rehydration.%u201D Apparently, the two-week Summer Fund Drive, was a significant disappointment. At least, KPFA's been whining and pleading about it ever sInce. KPFA will not miss my minuscule pledges, but the high-rollers who undoubtedly threatened to sequester their donations until G-n-B was terminated never came to the rescue.
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SFOMARCO - August 19th, 2018 at 6:52 AM
When Guns-n-Butter aired that two-part series, I said to myself, "No way G-n-B survives". Unfortunately, I was correct. Quincy McCoy and Kevin Cartwright drank the Kool-Aid, possibly via GTMO-style "rectal rehydration". Apparently, the two-week Summer Fund Drive, was a significant disappointment. At least, KPFA's been whining and pleading about it ever sInce. KPFA will not miss my minuscule pledges, but the high-rollers who undoubtedly threatened to sequester their donations until G-n-B was terminated never came to the rescue.
-- This blog doesn't handle punctuation marks well. Hopefully resolved with this excerpt.
-- This blog doesn't handle punctuation marks well. Hopefully resolved with this excerpt.
David Taylor - August 17th, 2018 at 11:21 PM
I can't imagine anything but a vast array of positive comments being made about any particular program that has been presented on Guns and Butter.
sky amory - August 18th, 2018 at 8:32 AM
I'll be at the KPFA board meeting. But I will not be addressing the board. Rather, I'll be entreating the audience to do an investigative report on how it is that the fox is guarding the hen house at KPFA. Is there a link, as I'm sure there is, as another major fox, Janet Appalling-nato, former 9/11 false flag purveyor of racism and deception Secretary Of Deutschland Insecurity watches over the UC hen house. Surely she has some influence in the censorship of Bonnie as KPFA's principal purveyor of truth and honesty regarding 9/11.
sky amory - August 18th, 2018 at 8:41 AM
To Moderator:
I submitted a comment suggesting that some investigation will be petitioned on the KPFA's foxes watching the hen house, just as Janet Appalling-nato does UC.
It appears that you've not admitted it. Was it too provocative?
Could you please explain? Please email me, if you'd be so kind. Thank you.
I submitted a comment suggesting that some investigation will be petitioned on the KPFA's foxes watching the hen house, just as Janet Appalling-nato does UC.
It appears that you've not admitted it. Was it too provocative?
Could you please explain? Please email me, if you'd be so kind. Thank you.
sky amory - August 18th, 2018 at 8:49 AM
I suggest that the KPFA board be petitioned to return Bonnie to KPFA air waves. Bonnie and Co, could you please expedite such a petition to all emails associated with support for Guns And Butter? I will make that suggestion to the audience at today's meeting.
Gary Weglarz - August 18th, 2018 at 12:14 PM
The following comment was sent to all email addresses related to the station:
To all concerned,
Pacifica loses all credibility and respectability with this move to censor free speech. One can only assume it is being done in the name of some bizarre notion of "community standards." Would those be the same community standards that say defending the murder of a half of million Iraqi children is "worth it?" Or perhaps the community standards that allow the repetition of blatant lies in the name of fomenting war: "Iraqi incubator babies;" "Gaddafi's viagra fueled rape camps," "Iraq's weapons of mass destruction," etc. etc.
As "steward of our airways" you have a responsibility to free speech, not to censorship. This is an act of both cowardice and total ethical corruption.
I hope you soon develop the spine to reverse this inane move, and will join in efforts to resist censorship rather than promote it.
Gary Weglarz, retired clinical social worker & therapist
To all concerned,
Pacifica loses all credibility and respectability with this move to censor free speech. One can only assume it is being done in the name of some bizarre notion of "community standards." Would those be the same community standards that say defending the murder of a half of million Iraqi children is "worth it?" Or perhaps the community standards that allow the repetition of blatant lies in the name of fomenting war: "Iraqi incubator babies;" "Gaddafi's viagra fueled rape camps," "Iraq's weapons of mass destruction," etc. etc.
As "steward of our airways" you have a responsibility to free speech, not to censorship. This is an act of both cowardice and total ethical corruption.
I hope you soon develop the spine to reverse this inane move, and will join in efforts to resist censorship rather than promote it.
Gary Weglarz, retired clinical social worker & therapist
Tom Russell - August 18th, 2018 at 7:49 PM
I'll really miss Guns and Butter. It was hilarious. Listening to Bonnie listen credulously to some crank and saying "I see, tell me more" was a high point of my week. It never did much for KPFA's journalistic integrity, though.
It's not censoring free speech or silencing alternative views, it's KPFA deciding they didn't want a bunch of hooey on their air. Climate science denial? Crisis actors? Really? 9/11 conspiracies where a plane never hit the Pentagon? I thought this was all stuff of Alex Jones and the far right.
About some of these other comments: When you're saying that Amy Goodman and Noam Chomsky are running cover for the Deep State over 9/11 and Jewish/Zionist conspiracies, you're not quite in sync with reality. It's not "expressing different points of view" or "questioning the official narrative", it's spewing and believing absurdities, just because you want them to be true.
It's not censoring free speech or silencing alternative views, it's KPFA deciding they didn't want a bunch of hooey on their air. Climate science denial? Crisis actors? Really? 9/11 conspiracies where a plane never hit the Pentagon? I thought this was all stuff of Alex Jones and the far right.
About some of these other comments: When you're saying that Amy Goodman and Noam Chomsky are running cover for the Deep State over 9/11 and Jewish/Zionist conspiracies, you're not quite in sync with reality. It's not "expressing different points of view" or "questioning the official narrative", it's spewing and believing absurdities, just because you want them to be true.
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John Kane - August 19th, 2018 at 9:56 AM
I'd really love to see a credible refutation of the evidence developed by the 9/11 truth movement and researchers evaluation of the various false-flag operations perpetrated since. Most of what I've seen are ad hominem distractions and straw-man formulations that don't address the facts as presented by those researchers. Do you have anything real to add to this discussion?
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Tom Russell - August 19th, 2018 at 11:30 PM
Well, yes. Consider how many people would have to be involved for 9/11 to be an inside job. Aside from the people to think up and plan out such a heinous thing in the first place and pass it down the chain and through the bureaucracy to get it implemented, you'd need guys to plant explosives, and to handle transportation and support, all of whom would need to to be willing to kill thousands of Americans.
Then you still have the problem of 3 airplanes full of people. You have to either find and control people mad enough to actually crash them into buildings, or make them disappear somehow, still without anyone catching on.
Then there's this: Why would a high-level black ops operation do such a shoddy job of covering it up? Why use such an easily debunked explanation like "aviation fuel"? If the Pentagon crash was faked, wouldn't someone have thought to bring some airplane parts and scatter them around?
If the deep state is that incompetent, there is no way they could actually pull something like this off and keep it secret. It would fall apart as soon as the first mid-level flunky had an attack of conscience.
And why? What would it take for you to betray your country and humanity? Getting the Patriot Act through? No, if you were going to go this far, you'd be asking for martial law.
Then you still have the problem of 3 airplanes full of people. You have to either find and control people mad enough to actually crash them into buildings, or make them disappear somehow, still without anyone catching on.
Then there's this: Why would a high-level black ops operation do such a shoddy job of covering it up? Why use such an easily debunked explanation like "aviation fuel"? If the Pentagon crash was faked, wouldn't someone have thought to bring some airplane parts and scatter them around?
If the deep state is that incompetent, there is no way they could actually pull something like this off and keep it secret. It would fall apart as soon as the first mid-level flunky had an attack of conscience.
And why? What would it take for you to betray your country and humanity? Getting the Patriot Act through? No, if you were going to go this far, you'd be asking for martial law.
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No Reily - August 21st, 2018 at 8:21 PM
You state clearly that airplane fuel bringing down the towers is easily debunked. Doesn't that make you question everything else? Especially if the third tower that came down, WT7, wasn't even hit by a plane (and fell directly into it's own footprint at free fall speed?)
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Tom Russell - August 22nd, 2018 at 8:17 PM
No, my point was that if a cause like airplane fuel could be so easily shown to be false, it doesn't make any sense for the government to try to use it as an explanation. They would have come up with something more believable.
Think about the consequences for the perpetrators of such a hoax. They would have made sure there were no holes in the story at all, specifically so it wouldn't blow back on them.
Think about the consequences for the perpetrators of such a hoax. They would have made sure there were no holes in the story at all, specifically so it wouldn't blow back on them.
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Israel - August 23rd, 2018 at 3:29 AM
Does it hurt to have such a tiny brain? Sounds like you should go back to school, read some books, turn your tv off. Poor guy, I%u2019m sure you believe in the Easter bunny too.
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Tom Russell - August 24th, 2018 at 7:48 PM
My goodness, what a reasoned and well-thought-out response. You sure shut me down, huh?
Please, tell me where I'm wrong in my analysis. I legit would like to discuss this with you.
Please, tell me where I'm wrong in my analysis. I legit would like to discuss this with you.
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fred - August 27th, 2018 at 12:27 AM
Tom, to people who have done some research into 9-11, your observations come across as naive. The Corbett Report has a 5 minute primer that is a good starting point on 9-11, Tom. You see, Tom, it is incumbent on our government to provide us with a real independent investigation into what transpired on 9-11. The government has been caught red handed lying to us. If you are not aware of this, then you haven't been paying attention. I legit want to discuss this with you, Tom. Do a little research, first though. The information is out there.
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Tom Russell - August 30th, 2018 at 10:40 PM
Well, Fred, my observations are just me thinking about what would be necessary for such a thing to actually happen. How many people would need to be involved, and how would it be possible to keep all of them quiet?
You see, Fred, even the clumsiest, most incompetent government would never put together such a heinous plan and leave such obvious holes in the explanation that any rando on the Internet could figure it out.
Why say that the aviation fuel could melt the steel when it obviously couldn't? (It actually softened the steel enough that it couldn't hold the structure together)
Why try to fake two plane crashes without leaving some wreckage around?
Why use such an incredibly complicated plan when a couple of simple fertilizer bombs would have accomplished the same thing?
Anyway, Fred, if you want to discuss this instead of being patronizing, I'm all ears. Just answer my questions and we can go from there.
You see, Fred, even the clumsiest, most incompetent government would never put together such a heinous plan and leave such obvious holes in the explanation that any rando on the Internet could figure it out.
Why say that the aviation fuel could melt the steel when it obviously couldn't? (It actually softened the steel enough that it couldn't hold the structure together)
Why try to fake two plane crashes without leaving some wreckage around?
Why use such an incredibly complicated plan when a couple of simple fertilizer bombs would have accomplished the same thing?
Anyway, Fred, if you want to discuss this instead of being patronizing, I'm all ears. Just answer my questions and we can go from there.
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Keith - September 2nd, 2018 at 4:29 PM
Mr. Russell, your "a conspiracy too big" argument is a belief-based objection, completely divorced from the objectivity and empiricism that, if used by a rational person, shows beyond all reasonable doubt that 9/11 was a false flag. You have no grasp of the vast collection of government-alleged circumstances and facts that, individually, range from highly unlikely to impossible and, collectively, add up to absolutely impossible. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle once wrote, "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Building 7 all by itself shows that 9/11 was an inside job. You do know about Building 7, don't you, Tom? You do have a grasp of high school physics, right, Tom?
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Tom Russell - September 2nd, 2018 at 7:09 PM
Building 7 was a steel-framed structure that caught fire from the burning debris of the other buildings, and burned fiercely for 7 hours. That heat won't melt steel, but it will soften and weaken it. It will make the steel expand, breaking the rivets and connections that hold the framework together. That's why it collapsed - the steel structure couldn't support its own weight and collapsed, each floor falling on top of the floor below and causing it to collapse in turn.
There's an excellent video that explains this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LUDXpMhkNk
Yes, Keith, I do understand physics. The question is, do you have a grasp of Occam's Razor?
There's an excellent video that explains this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LUDXpMhkNk
Yes, Keith, I do understand physics. The question is, do you have a grasp of Occam's Razor?
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jimmy gulag - August 22nd, 2018 at 7:29 PM
the jet airliners could not have brought down WTC #1 & 2. impossible. why would a building fall through the point of MOST resistance? Esp. when the top was already tilting a bit. and how can jet fuel which burns @ 1450 melt steel which melts at 2900. plus, most of the fuel was gone in 30 seoconds it is so volitile. And furthermore explainf #7. isn't it funny that teh missile that hit the pentagon circled around piloted by arabs fron SAudi landia, who wanted to hit the part that was under construction? duh. they could not even make that turnina boeing 767. impossible and also counter-productive. wantingto make for less damage?!
the passengers were take off when the planes were switched. CIA actors. and #7 went down because it was ugly and had 400 investigations of corpo-rat Enron Accounting Irregularities to put it nicely.
more complicated events than that have been orchestrated by CIA and Cia. Like a chain of them: Pearl Harbor, the UsssMaine, LIncoln, Lumumba, Vietnam. How about Normandy for a complicated plan?
Not to mention assassinations....of a complex nature. wake up.
the passengers were take off when the planes were switched. CIA actors. and #7 went down because it was ugly and had 400 investigations of corpo-rat Enron Accounting Irregularities to put it nicely.
more complicated events than that have been orchestrated by CIA and Cia. Like a chain of them: Pearl Harbor, the UsssMaine, LIncoln, Lumumba, Vietnam. How about Normandy for a complicated plan?
Not to mention assassinations....of a complex nature. wake up.
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Tom Russell - August 24th, 2018 at 12:25 AM
Okay, think about the hundreds of people who would need to be involved in something like this. Actors, pilots, people to wrangle and apparently kill all the passengers, people to bring in all the supplies and people to coordinate it all. There is no way they could all have been kept quiet. *Someone* would have been willing to talk, even anonymously, once the story became public. And it's all much too complex to believe it could have been kept quiet.
The CIA was involved in Pearl Harbor? The CIA didn't even exist in 1941.
The CIA was involved in Pearl Harbor? The CIA didn't even exist in 1941.
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Jim - August 29th, 2018 at 7:35 PM
The Manhattan project was kept a secret and many other ongoing intelligence operations. Not that many people need to be involved and the planes are set up for remote operation already. There are over 3,000 architects and engineers (many world renowned) who refute the story and the establishment media just ignores this - turn off the tv. The laws of physics did not change on 9/11. So the next step is to figure out what happened and who did it - not a bunch of guys with box-cutters - physics 101.
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Tom Russell - August 30th, 2018 at 9:45 PM
The Manhattan Project was a relatively small number of patriotic scientists who were essentially sequestered in the middle of nowhere, working on the most honorable thing you could be doing at the time - ending WWII. There is absolutely no comparison between that and conspiring to cold-bloodedly kill thousands of people in some massively illegal black-ops scheme. It makes no sense that anyone would even think about doing that.
And for what? That's the question no one ever answers. *Why* would the Powers That Be think this was a good idea? What would they hope to accomplish? All we got was the Patriot Act and increased airport security.. As I said above, that would *not* be worth it.
So yeah. Answer me this: What was the point of it all? Why did they even bother? It has to be a much better answer than "Dick Cheney wanted to invade Irag". Then we can talk about the rest of it.
And for what? That's the question no one ever answers. *Why* would the Powers That Be think this was a good idea? What would they hope to accomplish? All we got was the Patriot Act and increased airport security.. As I said above, that would *not* be worth it.
So yeah. Answer me this: What was the point of it all? Why did they even bother? It has to be a much better answer than "Dick Cheney wanted to invade Irag". Then we can talk about the rest of it.
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Stephan K - September 1st, 2018 at 5:52 PM
As Kevin Robert Ryan expertly details in %u201CAnother 19%u201D, numerous insiders talk. The author Ryan himself was an insider in the forensic efforts who paid for truth telling with his his job.
The PNAC goals are out there.
In reality Tom - and Bonnie if you%u2019re seeing this - the truth movement can%u2019t afford agents provocateur, Jew baiting, or sloppy seconds as spokespeople. The frivolous and inflammatory rhetoric of some of the G&B guests did not advance the cause of truth but rather gave ammo to the masters of deciept. Moving forward we would do well to put the airwaves in the hands of more wide awake hosts. This goes for Ms. Faulkner, if she can recognize the value of the trust placed in stewards of broadcast resources with a clearer perspective then, as a KPFA sponsor, it would be nice to hear her again.
The PNAC goals are out there.
In reality Tom - and Bonnie if you%u2019re seeing this - the truth movement can%u2019t afford agents provocateur, Jew baiting, or sloppy seconds as spokespeople. The frivolous and inflammatory rhetoric of some of the G&B guests did not advance the cause of truth but rather gave ammo to the masters of deciept. Moving forward we would do well to put the airwaves in the hands of more wide awake hosts. This goes for Ms. Faulkner, if she can recognize the value of the trust placed in stewards of broadcast resources with a clearer perspective then, as a KPFA sponsor, it would be nice to hear her again.
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Tom Russell - September 2nd, 2018 at 6:52 PM
You know, if this was the deep government conspiracy people think it was, Ryan would have paid with his life. There is no way he would be allowed to run around loose and run his mouth. After you've killed thousands of people, what's one more?
But, like I said, the first, most important question to answer is "Why would the government even consider doing such a thing?"
But, like I said, the first, most important question to answer is "Why would the government even consider doing such a thing?"
ROY J KENDALL - August 18th, 2018 at 9:20 PM
I do not remember any KPFA coverage or comment on the UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA Building #7. 9-11 investigation or any mention of the proposed BOBBY MC ILLVAINE ACT. of course as a prisoner of platoe's cave this is not surprising. What was surprising and refreshing was the Bonnie F. interviews with Richard Gage and Christopher Bollyn. gone. no surprize. the emperor has no clothes. the zebra cannot change its stripes. what is needed is for everyone to consider looking at ae911truth.org. asap. thank you for the good shows....Bonnie will be missed and it was a big mistake to crucify her and burn her books.
Arthur Stopes, III. - August 18th, 2018 at 10:28 PM
Re: "Guns and Butter" program.
(By: Arthur Stopes, III. / Berkeley, California state. / Cal.; not "CA".)
See: .
Saturday Aug 11th, 2018 11:09 AM (Also, "sent to all email addresses related to the station.)
"Spineless", indeed!
(To have CANCELLED the "Guns and Butter" program.)
Bonnie Faulkner's independent venture, "Guns and Butter", was never meant to please the complacent, head-in-the-sand, non-listener/non-thinker/non-independent, non-Questioner/
non-Researcher.
And, if one or more took issue with one or more such presentations, why "blame the Messenger"?
[Some text redacted - but not by "Management".]
I have informed KPFA personnel that all "non-profits" under I.R. Code, Section 501 (as in 501(c)(3)), are under Regulations of the "DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY" and "STANDARDS OF CONDUCT" for U.S. government employees. (Treated, and thus "Taxed", as such!) Yet, never any response or Reply...
They are "brain dead" in such respects; thus Cowards. I shall not listen, again.
Thank you (indybay.org) for the opportunity to contribute some thoughts on this unhappy subject.
By: Arthur Stopes, III. / Legislative Analyst and Writer (L.A.W.).
N.B.: As I mentioned at the "Bored Meeting"; KPFA-FM/.org perpetuates LIES - such as "Reporter"
Brian Edwards-Tiekert ignoring my lawfully informed information when he was planning a program
about the so-called Internet "Sales Tax", years ago. The listeners are hostage to such uninformed
programmers. By contrast, I was a frequently invited Guest Speaker on KZFR-FM (Chico, California),
on a program called "Freedom's Questions", on which we (the Radio Host and I) actually offered
Answers on such matters as "State" and federal "Income Taxes", "Sales Tax", "Traffic", and the like.
I shall explain to Bonnie about her "unalienable Rights", via the little-known, encoded Section 508(c)
of the infernal Internal Re-venue "Code"; thus, lawfully circumventing the IRS spy system - "501(c)(3)'".
You see; the Lawful Remedy (at Sec. 508), is revealed only after the "legal" entrapment of Sec. 501.
Stay tuned! - A.S., III.
(By: Arthur Stopes, III. / Berkeley, California state. / Cal.; not "CA".)
See: .
Saturday Aug 11th, 2018 11:09 AM (Also, "sent to all email addresses related to the station.)
"Spineless", indeed!
(To have CANCELLED the "Guns and Butter" program.)
Bonnie Faulkner's independent venture, "Guns and Butter", was never meant to please the complacent, head-in-the-sand, non-listener/non-thinker/non-independent, non-Questioner/
non-Researcher.
And, if one or more took issue with one or more such presentations, why "blame the Messenger"?
[Some text redacted - but not by "Management".]
I have informed KPFA personnel that all "non-profits" under I.R. Code, Section 501 (as in 501(c)(3)), are under Regulations of the "DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY" and "STANDARDS OF CONDUCT" for U.S. government employees. (Treated, and thus "Taxed", as such!) Yet, never any response or Reply...
They are "brain dead" in such respects; thus Cowards. I shall not listen, again.
Thank you (indybay.org) for the opportunity to contribute some thoughts on this unhappy subject.
By: Arthur Stopes, III. / Legislative Analyst and Writer (L.A.W.).
N.B.: As I mentioned at the "Bored Meeting"; KPFA-FM/.org perpetuates LIES - such as "Reporter"
Brian Edwards-Tiekert ignoring my lawfully informed information when he was planning a program
about the so-called Internet "Sales Tax", years ago. The listeners are hostage to such uninformed
programmers. By contrast, I was a frequently invited Guest Speaker on KZFR-FM (Chico, California),
on a program called "Freedom's Questions", on which we (the Radio Host and I) actually offered
Answers on such matters as "State" and federal "Income Taxes", "Sales Tax", "Traffic", and the like.
I shall explain to Bonnie about her "unalienable Rights", via the little-known, encoded Section 508(c)
of the infernal Internal Re-venue "Code"; thus, lawfully circumventing the IRS spy system - "501(c)(3)'".
You see; the Lawful Remedy (at Sec. 508), is revealed only after the "legal" entrapment of Sec. 501.
Stay tuned! - A.S., III.
Joey Rapps - August 19th, 2018 at 6:16 AM
I sent different versions of the following to the BROWNSHIRTS listed above:
"Congratulations! You%u2019re now a fascist censorship radio station that is opposed to free speech. Political censorship is a disease that does not spare it%u2019s administrator. Free speech is a bitch! It%u2019s not a fair-weather-only idea. I owe a great deal of %u201Cwaking up%u201D to thank Bonnie Faulkner and Guns & Butter for. YOU are the resistance, the resistance to Natural Law. The social engineering you%u2019re knuckling under to leads to ONLY ONE PLACE, a deeper Totalitarian Authoritarian NIGHTMARE than we%u2019re already suffering under. Please watch this video. If you don%u2019t understand it and internalize it, you need to GET OUT of the communications industry immediately. You will be causing more harm than good.
Jordan Peterson Discusses Free Speech and Raif Badawi
https://youtu.be/3Sz2-6RNkjY
Enjoy the rest of your brownshirty day,
Joey Rapps"
"Congratulations! You%u2019re now a fascist censorship radio station that is opposed to free speech. Political censorship is a disease that does not spare it%u2019s administrator. Free speech is a bitch! It%u2019s not a fair-weather-only idea. I owe a great deal of %u201Cwaking up%u201D to thank Bonnie Faulkner and Guns & Butter for. YOU are the resistance, the resistance to Natural Law. The social engineering you%u2019re knuckling under to leads to ONLY ONE PLACE, a deeper Totalitarian Authoritarian NIGHTMARE than we%u2019re already suffering under. Please watch this video. If you don%u2019t understand it and internalize it, you need to GET OUT of the communications industry immediately. You will be causing more harm than good.
Jordan Peterson Discusses Free Speech and Raif Badawi
https://youtu.be/3Sz2-6RNkjY
Enjoy the rest of your brownshirty day,
Joey Rapps"
John P. Garry III - August 19th, 2018 at 10:24 AM
Ms. Winter, you have to understand that the people who say "Jewish" instead of "Zionist" are doing it deliberately. These people are, in fact, anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish. They have chosen, through immaturity, opportunism, ignorance, or malice, to conflate Israeli government policy with Jewish identity itself. This is clear in Kevin Barrett's comments on "Guns and Butter." He sees malign "Jewish tribal power" operating in numerous fields. For instance, he holds (or has borrowed) the crazy idea that the history of Hollywood is the history of Catholics advocating for wholesome entertainment versus "sensualist" Jewish producers who want to make more explicit films. In fact Jewish and Gentile filmmakers have been ,on all sides of Hollywood's morality and content wars. Allen Sabrovsky, also on "Guns and Butter" makes an even more ignorant error: He conflates the Eastern European immigrant studio executives (some of whom were Jewish) with the radical leftists (some of whom were Jewish) who were active in Hollywood. The idea that arch-capitalists like Louis B. Mayer, Samuel Goldwyn and the other immigrant producers brought communism with them from Europe is absurd. The "communism equals Judaism" claim is one the standard tropes of extreme anti-Semitism. The inability to recognize or credit differences of opinion within a group is one of the standard procedures of racial and religious prejudice.That the producers of Guns and Butter couldn't recognize this is sad and disturbing.
Colleen McGuire - August 20th, 2018 at 2:02 AM
For shame that Pacifica is emulating the censorship tactics of Big Brother Big Tech Corporations with State backing, - YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, etc.. Doesn't KPFA remember that Mario Savio's free speech movement started in Berkeley? To eliminate Guns & Butter's entire archive is tantamount to a digital book burning. Shameful.
Tom Koosis - August 20th, 2018 at 1:32 PM
The deletion of G&B%u2019s archives is like trying to unwrite history. Why does KPFA management act so secretive and sleazy about what goes on inside the station? The station manager ought to have a weekly %u201CReport To The Listener%u201D with provision for phone-in comments and questions. Bonnie%u2019s program about Pacifica%u2019s financial situation is the only example that I%u2019m aware of of a responsible effort to keep KPFA%u2019s listeners informed on this important issue. Of course, with its removal from the archive, that information is no longer available via KPFA. Bring back free speech radio! BRING BACK BONNIE!
Joan Malerich - August 20th, 2018 at 2:18 PM
RE: Censoring of Bonnie Faulkner, Host of Guns and Butter
First Submitted August 20, 2019, 2:05 AM Central Time
What is obvious?
It is obvious that KPFA is abiding the will of the moneyed interests, more specifically the Zionist s' interests and the Western corporate elite who want to control the resources of every country and go after the leaders of countries that refuses to place the Western moneyed interests above their People's interests.
It is obvious that the most %u201Cpopular%u201D show on KPFA is %u201C FUNDRAISING.%u201D WHY it is that KPFA has lost the support of the masses? Could it have anything to do with the fact that KPFA has lost it sense of ethics? Lost its sense of direction? Lost it commitment to serve the masses? Could it be that KPFA has become the puppet of the moneyed interests (also known as Wall Street and corporate interests), the Zionists (esp. those who have turned Israel into essentially a US military base, but also one that is funded well enough by the US (over 3 billion $$$ a year) to destroy Palestine, control land that belongs to other countries such as Syria's Golan Heights, and to bargain with the Al Quada off-shoots and Saudi's who have murdered and maimed millions of Yemeni as they totally destroy the country. If anything, I wish Bonnie would have covered the US/ Zionist Israel connection more, not less. Please use your brain and see that I am NOT referring to all Jews here nor in Israel nor around the world. I am referring to the Zionists whose main focus is money, power, control--not the freedom to practice Judaism and certainly not the masses of the Jewish People.
Bonnie Faulkner has been an icon of truth and reality programing. I do not agree with every single show but about 95%. I certainly respect her right to provide a range of diverse topics on her show. It should also be noted that Bonnie educates herself about the diverse topics of her guests. She never just "wings" it . Bonnie has been a strong mentor for me and for millions of others here and abroad who understand that the only way to stop wars is to recognize the false flag events. The moneyed interests (same ones it appears control KPFA) need these false flag events to induce the masses to abandon their common sense and believe that foreign groups or leaders of socialist oriented countries are a "threat " to the national security of the US. The US has used false flags to obtain "popular" support for most every minor and major war in which it has become involved. Bonnie's courage to cover the truth and lies of 9-11 with outstanding guests such as--- but certainly not limited to --- David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage should earn her a badge of courage. Instead, the KPFA management has shown that it cannot tolerate any diversity that gets down to reality and enlightens with the truth, which is often brutal. Truth is so often much harder to swallow than deception and lies. Truth and reality are seldom easy to swallow, esp. when the public is brainwashed by the mainstream/"progressive" media.
It is obvious to any thinking/going to the root person, that Amy Goodman of Democracy/Hypocrisy Now has lost her way--by choice. She has walked away from "democracy" values and walked toward warmongering hypocrisy. DN/HN warmongering against Libya and Syria was/is disgusting and deadly. Goodman's absolute refusal to discuss the reality of 9-11 shows how tied she is to moneyed interest world that feeds on war. (Before I finally stopped about a year ago) watching the puppet Goodman, Inc. hypocrite, she had only two shows with 9-11 Truth experts. The same for Chomsky and other obviously fake "progressives." These are the moral idiots who allow wars to happen over and over and over. That is definitely NOT a role that Bonnie Faulkner played nor will ever play.
I remember Bonnie getting some attack comments when she had John Whitehead on her show. Whitehead has been a Constitutional attorney for 40 plus years. After listening to her show with Whitehead, I purchased his book, Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State. Whitehead appears to be a Libertarian. I am not. I am a socialist leaning. Yet, ALL need to listen to the truth and reality that Whitehead presents. Truth most often does not come in one package--the "democrat" package, the "Republican" package, the "Libertarian" package, the "Socialist" package, etc. One must dig deeply in the diverse packages to be able to develop thinking that leads to action that leads to serving the People. Censoring Guns and Butter leads only to censoring thinking and hiding solutions that serve society.
I hope that some other station or popular Internet show will offer Bonnie a spot on their show(s). Honestly, I think she is too good for the failing, continuous fundraising KPFA. However, should KPFA come to their senses and bring back Guns and Butter with no censorship strings attached, I imagine Bonnie would be kind enough and humane enough to accept the offer.
Sincerely,
Joan Malerich
First Submitted August 20, 2019, 2:05 AM Central Time
What is obvious?
It is obvious that KPFA is abiding the will of the moneyed interests, more specifically the Zionist s' interests and the Western corporate elite who want to control the resources of every country and go after the leaders of countries that refuses to place the Western moneyed interests above their People's interests.
It is obvious that the most %u201Cpopular%u201D show on KPFA is %u201C FUNDRAISING.%u201D WHY it is that KPFA has lost the support of the masses? Could it have anything to do with the fact that KPFA has lost it sense of ethics? Lost its sense of direction? Lost it commitment to serve the masses? Could it be that KPFA has become the puppet of the moneyed interests (also known as Wall Street and corporate interests), the Zionists (esp. those who have turned Israel into essentially a US military base, but also one that is funded well enough by the US (over 3 billion $$$ a year) to destroy Palestine, control land that belongs to other countries such as Syria's Golan Heights, and to bargain with the Al Quada off-shoots and Saudi's who have murdered and maimed millions of Yemeni as they totally destroy the country. If anything, I wish Bonnie would have covered the US/ Zionist Israel connection more, not less. Please use your brain and see that I am NOT referring to all Jews here nor in Israel nor around the world. I am referring to the Zionists whose main focus is money, power, control--not the freedom to practice Judaism and certainly not the masses of the Jewish People.
Bonnie Faulkner has been an icon of truth and reality programing. I do not agree with every single show but about 95%. I certainly respect her right to provide a range of diverse topics on her show. It should also be noted that Bonnie educates herself about the diverse topics of her guests. She never just "wings" it . Bonnie has been a strong mentor for me and for millions of others here and abroad who understand that the only way to stop wars is to recognize the false flag events. The moneyed interests (same ones it appears control KPFA) need these false flag events to induce the masses to abandon their common sense and believe that foreign groups or leaders of socialist oriented countries are a "threat " to the national security of the US. The US has used false flags to obtain "popular" support for most every minor and major war in which it has become involved. Bonnie's courage to cover the truth and lies of 9-11 with outstanding guests such as--- but certainly not limited to --- David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage should earn her a badge of courage. Instead, the KPFA management has shown that it cannot tolerate any diversity that gets down to reality and enlightens with the truth, which is often brutal. Truth is so often much harder to swallow than deception and lies. Truth and reality are seldom easy to swallow, esp. when the public is brainwashed by the mainstream/"progressive" media.
It is obvious to any thinking/going to the root person, that Amy Goodman of Democracy/Hypocrisy Now has lost her way--by choice. She has walked away from "democracy" values and walked toward warmongering hypocrisy. DN/HN warmongering against Libya and Syria was/is disgusting and deadly. Goodman's absolute refusal to discuss the reality of 9-11 shows how tied she is to moneyed interest world that feeds on war. (Before I finally stopped about a year ago) watching the puppet Goodman, Inc. hypocrite, she had only two shows with 9-11 Truth experts. The same for Chomsky and other obviously fake "progressives." These are the moral idiots who allow wars to happen over and over and over. That is definitely NOT a role that Bonnie Faulkner played nor will ever play.
I remember Bonnie getting some attack comments when she had John Whitehead on her show. Whitehead has been a Constitutional attorney for 40 plus years. After listening to her show with Whitehead, I purchased his book, Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State. Whitehead appears to be a Libertarian. I am not. I am a socialist leaning. Yet, ALL need to listen to the truth and reality that Whitehead presents. Truth most often does not come in one package--the "democrat" package, the "Republican" package, the "Libertarian" package, the "Socialist" package, etc. One must dig deeply in the diverse packages to be able to develop thinking that leads to action that leads to serving the People. Censoring Guns and Butter leads only to censoring thinking and hiding solutions that serve society.
I hope that some other station or popular Internet show will offer Bonnie a spot on their show(s). Honestly, I think she is too good for the failing, continuous fundraising KPFA. However, should KPFA come to their senses and bring back Guns and Butter with no censorship strings attached, I imagine Bonnie would be kind enough and humane enough to accept the offer.
Sincerely,
Joan Malerich
Michael Zack - August 21st, 2018 at 9:39 AM
It's obvious this KPFA Station Manager and Program Manager need to be shown the door, Not Bonnie Faulkner, if KPFA wants to have any Street Cred. What a predicatable farse; par for the course in our Orwellian Nightmare of The 4th Reich. The only Holocaust Deniers that matter, are the Deniers of the Holocaust Genocide of the Palestinian, Syrian, Lybian, YemanI People going on Right Now! (Justified on the Fake 9/11 Evidence peddled by Robert Mueller). As for Parkland, isn't it just TOO coincidental for the Parkland Police Video Surveillance system to be "experiencing a 20-minute communications delay " WHILE kids were being shot, and it took 30 minutes for SWAT to enter the School (NYTs)??? Because all the photographic evidence of these Mass Murder Events are a State Secret, nobody knows what the Hell Happened. 9/11, Sandy Hook, Pulse, Mandalay Bay, Parkland, the public needs to be able to watch the video photographic evidence for ourself, BY LAW, before we can start to think we know what occurred in these very Politically Propagandisticaly Useful Events. We need "Free Speech Radio", not a little club telling the public what information & opinions are NOT allowed. We need more free speech, not less. The Listeners of KPFA either "Stand-Up for Free Sheech Radio" NOW, or you might as well just listen to CIA NPR and call yourself "informed".
sunaj - August 22nd, 2018 at 12:56 AM
GUNS & BUTTER has been an EXAMPLE of what news is supposed to be- hard-hitting relevant truthful expose of some of the most important stories of our time-this ACT OF FRAUD against the citizenry in general by the management who have a responsibility of integrity and truthfulness in the news can only mean that KPFA has been SUBJUGATED by NWO PROVOCATEURS whose aim is the DESTRUCTION of WHISTLEBLOWERS and REAL NEWS IN AMERICA, by the SUBVERSION of AMERICA
dale - August 22nd, 2018 at 7:21 AM
I listen to G&B every Wednesday on WBAI, NYC, and have listened for years, and learned a lot. Yesterday on WBAI Gary Null defended Bonnie Faulkner, but, as good and important a voice as his is, showed his ignorance of WW2 by advising Bonnie to apologize for having a guest who doubted the 6 million gas chamber hoax. Null apparently has bought the holy hoax without educating himself. Bonnie should not apologize, KPFA should apologize to her for caving in to what Norman Finkelstein (whose father and mother came out of Auschwitz alive) called the "Holocaust Industry", a "giant extortion racket." And Gary Null should educate himself. He can start by reading Tell The Truth and Shame the Devil, by Gerard Menuhin, son of the great American violinist Yehudi Menuhin. Read Breaking the Spell--the Holocaust: Myth and Reality, by Nicholas Kellerstrom. Read 46 Unanswered Questions by David Cole (about Auschwitz). There are many other carefully researched books debunking the hoax. There were no gas chambers. Auschwitz had a maternity ward, hundreds of babies were born there, their mothers given extra scarce rations. Look it up, do some research, Mr. Null. You have repeated this hoax that has deranged the world.
Steve - August 22nd, 2018 at 11:50 PM
It became apparent to me that for whatever reasons, Bonnie Faulkner chose to increasingly give platforms to Right Wing voices on her show . These people already have plenty of platforms on numerous radio, television and internet podcast shows. Pacifica should remain as one of the few networks for Progressive voices, since there are so few compared to Right wing outlets and they have been successfully blocked from the MSM. I was increasingly becoming disenchanted with her inviting guests that one would normally be promoted on such Radical Right Wing networks such as Jeff Rense or Alex Jones...I have previously witnessed the Right Wing transformation over the last 20 years of their networks and stopped listening to them and visiting their sites as soon as they became platforms for Right Wing Propaganda . it was appearing that Faulkner, for whatever reasons, was taking her show in this direction and that's why I stopped listening to her program....I am glad that this decision was made....I founf guests such as Tarpley,Engdahl and Valentine, to be intelligent, interesting guests...but Bigots should not be given platforms on Pacifica...
Israel - August 23rd, 2018 at 3:22 AM
What? An ex-MTV VP is a shill for Zionism. No way. How did a clown from MTV even become GM??? Sad sad sad, guns and butter is truly hands down one of the best shows on kpfa. I%u2019ve been listening to Bonnie for well over 10 years and I have been a supporter and listener of KPFA. 2 letters vs listener support and hundreds of thousands of dollars that Bonnie has brought to kpfa? Where is the democratic vote for this decision???
susan - August 24th, 2018 at 11:11 AM
Thank you Dale for educating me on several other prominent Jewish holocaust denialists mentioned. I had no idea that Gerard Menuhin has now focused his life's work on denying that the holocaust happened.
Sounds like Gerard has major emotional issues and he's decided to take his anger at his father to back up those who despise the entire subject of the Holocaust, that Germany targeted Jews in every way during the 30s and 40s resulting in their genocide and mass murder whatever countries Germany could invade and takeover in WWII.
How ironic that someone like Gerard would have been shipped off and likely killed at a concentration camp had he lived in Europe during WWII but now has the freedom to deny his father's history.
Looks like the Holocaust Denialists have multiplied and are the face of a new anti-Jewish war being waged and used to conquer and divide and confuse investigative journalists like Bonnie Faulkner.
How tragic. Gerard is a very sick man.
Sounds like Gerard has major emotional issues and he's decided to take his anger at his father to back up those who despise the entire subject of the Holocaust, that Germany targeted Jews in every way during the 30s and 40s resulting in their genocide and mass murder whatever countries Germany could invade and takeover in WWII.
How ironic that someone like Gerard would have been shipped off and likely killed at a concentration camp had he lived in Europe during WWII but now has the freedom to deny his father's history.
Looks like the Holocaust Denialists have multiplied and are the face of a new anti-Jewish war being waged and used to conquer and divide and confuse investigative journalists like Bonnie Faulkner.
How tragic. Gerard is a very sick man.
Natasha wist - August 24th, 2018 at 7:15 PM
Have been a supporter and listener of kpfa since the fifties. Yes I am old and. Have lived through a long history. I am upset over the censoring of guns and Butter but realize this is part of the pr sent struggle of free media or non corporate media and the public commons. I have not always agreed with some of the startling views on Guns and Butter however I will support the right of t he people to express unpopular criticisms of u.s. Government policies. If what is presented is libelous or actively violent let the courts decide. Otherwise listen and agree or disagree. Isn't that what democracy is all about. If something is so repugnant it will eventually fade away from lack of notice and participation. I have had an education far beyond my phd infifty years of listening to kpfa. I am truly disappointed in a station that has had my loyalty and gratitude for so many years. Hoping for a reversal of your policy inthis matter. Sincerely Natasha wist.i
a listener - August 25th, 2018 at 9:36 AM
I was surprised that they even let you air your last few shows on Jewish power. To anyone who has listened long enough, it's pretty clear that KPFA has basically become a "kibbutz". It's major revenue generating shows are hosted by aging jewish hippies, and their programs present, almost exclusively, the political perspectives of jewish authors, scholars and activists, even on subjects as unrelated to jewish politics as health. When KPFA sponsored guests come to lecture in Berkeley, they often begin to pepper their lectures with Holocaust references and Hannah Arendt quotes (thankfully, Thomas Frank isn't one of them). Given all of this, it's not hard to guess the composition of KPFA's donor base.
The truth is that your show was cancelled because your recent guests (Gilad Atzmon, Phillip Gerard, etc.) started to make a lot of sense, and your archives were removed to keep listeners from finding this out once the news of your show's cancellation became public. Personally, I liked your show -- it provided some relief from the usual "bolshevik inspired", Trump dominated bullshit that passes for political commentary in the daytime slots. I even listened to some of the 911 stuff (although I didn't really agree with most of it, it was still interesting to see how people try to reason these things out).
It's sad to see this happen, but it's very consistent with the way Berkeley, SF, Marin, etc. have changed in the last 30 years. I really hope that other show hosts on KPFA (Dennis Bernstein, hello?) will "take a stand" and "bang the tribal drum" to get your show re--instated (like Mickey Huff did recently on Project Censored).
The truth is that your show was cancelled because your recent guests (Gilad Atzmon, Phillip Gerard, etc.) started to make a lot of sense, and your archives were removed to keep listeners from finding this out once the news of your show's cancellation became public. Personally, I liked your show -- it provided some relief from the usual "bolshevik inspired", Trump dominated bullshit that passes for political commentary in the daytime slots. I even listened to some of the 911 stuff (although I didn't really agree with most of it, it was still interesting to see how people try to reason these things out).
It's sad to see this happen, but it's very consistent with the way Berkeley, SF, Marin, etc. have changed in the last 30 years. I really hope that other show hosts on KPFA (Dennis Bernstein, hello?) will "take a stand" and "bang the tribal drum" to get your show re--instated (like Mickey Huff did recently on Project Censored).
Susan - August 26th, 2018 at 4:33 PM
So upset to learn about this news. Love the show %u201Cguns and butter.%u201D Count on it for interesting, in depth and different viewpoints. Absolutely outrageous that this happened. What can we do to get the shirt back on the air?
frank scott - August 27th, 2018 at 7:39 PM
the cancelation of the program was a disgrace and my comments to the board were angry and contained language i wouldnlt normally use and wont quote here...but...the fact that a few dingbats have been on the show is all the more reason to keep it since dingbats have as much right as anyone else to speak their minds, even if sometimes seeming mindless...as some of the responses to tom russell .. thank you for trying to use logic tom, but it wonlt work for some unfortunates who are members of the master race of self chosen people who think those who hate us must be bought and paid for by ruling members of our master race of self chosen people and canlt possibly hijack planes and kill innocent people in retaliation for the master race of self chosen doing the same to them, but at much greater loss of life...trying to convince such folk using logic is hopeless, but i respect you for trying...as for the dreadful creatures who canceled the show, they make the greatest dingbats-conspirator-truthers seem giants of logic and morality by comparison...we are living in exceptionally trying times when what used to be called left-liberals are operating like nazis without swastikas and when what remains of an actual anti-capitalist left needs to grow but instead seems to be hiding under the bed...hello? come out, wherever we are, please.
Buddy Emmons - August 29th, 2018 at 9:14 PM
Same old COINTELPRO tactics. Pacifica will be VOA/NPR in a few more minutes...
Lynn Ertell - September 1st, 2018 at 11:20 AM
No excuse for KPFA's censorship. But I'm not surprised. It's a graduated "animal farm" for what remains of the faux "left". Hopefully "Guns & Butter" will survive on newer and more honest alternative media outlets.. We need to recover and secure the archives first. And we need to patiently explain to people WHY this censorship is happening at this time. KPFA management would never have dared act in such a precipitous and arbitrary manner, without first being cued and prompted by the current reign of censorship on social media in general, Pacifica is simply following the path laid down by their corporate cousins at youtube, twitter, FB, etc. They have now become "normalized" (and revealed) as "mainstream" media propaganda
Leslie - September 2nd, 2018 at 3:05 PM
GUNS and BUTTER was about the only good, fair journalistic show that I heard on KPFA. I used to tune in every Wednesday at 1:00 P.M. to hear the show. I felt that it presented the truth movement in a very tasteful way and there were many good guests to learn from.
KPFA is now a carbon copy of CNN as far as their news and views. I have stopped contributing because there is such constant jibberish and BS going out over their airwaves, such that I can't stand to listen any longer. I suppose this (the elimination of Guns and Butter) is just one more nail in their coffin because there is coming a huge red wave of "walk away" democrats and left leaning citizens.
Is KPFA also against the airing of the 9-11 anniversary event which is held every year at the Grand Lake? It's one of Bonnie's main events. If that happens, I am going to call in on a show I hate and yell across the airwaves that KPFA is becoming a total fraud and listeners should wake up to that fact!!!
So, if you insist on firing Bonnie and her great show, it's Bye Bye KPFA !!
KPFA is now a carbon copy of CNN as far as their news and views. I have stopped contributing because there is such constant jibberish and BS going out over their airwaves, such that I can't stand to listen any longer. I suppose this (the elimination of Guns and Butter) is just one more nail in their coffin because there is coming a huge red wave of "walk away" democrats and left leaning citizens.
Is KPFA also against the airing of the 9-11 anniversary event which is held every year at the Grand Lake? It's one of Bonnie's main events. If that happens, I am going to call in on a show I hate and yell across the airwaves that KPFA is becoming a total fraud and listeners should wake up to that fact!!!
So, if you insist on firing Bonnie and her great show, it's Bye Bye KPFA !!
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