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Why I do not support "trans rights".

By Chuong, a month ago

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Please bear in mind that I do have friends who identify as trans and I hold nothing against them for that. However, the way "transgender activism" is going these days, I just cannot support it and there is no way it is the same as homosexuality and bisexuality. I don't like the idea of teaching transgenderism in public schools for children because children are in their developmental stages. Not to mention, big pharma profits off of "transgender activism". If you know basic economics, you would know that the higher the demand for a product/service, the higher the price will be. If most "transgender activists" understand this concept, they would know that their agenda doesn't just screw certain people over; it screws everybody over. The person who needs tamoxifen due to breast cancer diagnosis for example could be financially screwed because the same drug is also used in "hormone therapy".

If people want to go trans, they should do that in adulthood but pay for their own services than to let "activists" demand the government to levy taxes to make this service "free" for any trans who wants this. There's also a lot of risks with sex reassignment surgery and making children candidates of this because they identify as another gender is way too risky. Even if society were to be fully accepting of transgendered people, this is still too risky; especially for children.

I've also heard about how Bangkok, Thailand, is the transgender capital of the world and how there are surgeons who profit from sex reassignment surgery. At the same time, the city has a lot of risks for people seeking to undergo sex reassignment surgery. Thailand, according to the world's standards, is a developing country and developing countries have more risks than developed countries. Diseases, poor infrastructure, counterfeit drugs, etc. can be prevalent in developing countries. Thailand and Vietnam is infamous for black market drugs and its no surprise that criminals also sell black market hormones to transgenders which is dangerous for their health since we don't know if the drugs are genuine or even expired.

To me, "trans rights" is just business opportunity for big pharma at least to profit off of. Then you have other businesses catering to transgenders that see this as opportunity. But to have children involved in this will harm their psychological development.

I also work in healthcare and transgendered patients who already underwent sex reassignment surgery are very risky to deal with. If they do not tell the truth about their biological sex, the doctors could prescribe them the wrong medication by mistake which may be lethal to them. And that's not what I want happening.

I also think "trans rights" is an absurd form of population control because we are actually sterilizing people who seek to "change their gender" and yes I do think, in scientific terms, destroys families. Lets say a pre-op parent have children and they decide to undergo sex reassignment surgery and they force their transgender ideas on their children. Their children will grow up confused. This also goes for the same for transgenders who adopt children to push their ideology on them.

I have nothing against trans adults but the way "transgender activism" is going to involve children in this is scary. I just cannot and will not support "trans rights". Stats already show that transgenders in general are far more likely to kill themselves than homosexuals, bisexuals, and heterosexuals. No doubt that the majority of healthcare workers in the world will agree that sex reassignment surgery is dangerous. I don't want to deal with cases of dead children simply because they want to "change their gender" and then having to explain to their parents of what happened. There's a lot of regret with people who undergo sex reassignment surgery and realizing that they damaged their bodies permanently.

I know the link below may have some politically leanings but this one has scientific facts.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/07.....e-child-abuse/

Thus this is why I cannot support "trans rights" if its going to involve children in this.

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#link Posted: a month ago

Wait... So you're against transgender rights because you think that they are doing, what to children, exactly?

And your only reference comes from an MD who is the leader of a conservative group, a group that was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians, including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), as a protest against the AAP's support for adoption by gay couples?

Also, I do not think that those suicide statistics show what you think they show.

#link Posted: a month ago

A drag queen should not go into public schools and preach transgenderism to children which will disrupt their mental development. If you think most organizations who support trans rights really care about transgendered people, think again! Pharmaceutical companies that support trans rights only do so for the money. They want more customers for their products and don't care about the results. As long they're making more money from transgendered customers, that's all they care about and don't care if some of the customers are children who volunteer themselves for sex reassignment surgery. This is human experimentation not health to me.

#link Posted: a month ago

A drag queen is not the same as a transgender person, so you are kind of letting your ignorance show there.

You think that 'preaching' transgenderism to children will disrupt their mental development? Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

Your conspiratorial big pharma argument does not hold up in countries with public healthcare systems, where is the motive there?

#link Posted: a month ago

What does it matter? Why should children learn about transgenderism when most of them don't care about it? Not to mention, guess how parents would react if children went home and tell their parents that they learned about transgenderism?

I go to school to learn about the healthcare industry so I know what I'm talking about. Big pharma profits big from public healthcare systems. However, transgenderism provides business opportunities. I'm more concerned about businesses exploiting transgenderism than transgendered people themselves.

#link Posted: a month ago

Children don't care about mathematics either, do you think that this is a reason not to teach them about it? Ignorance is not a virtue or a right. If there is education to be had, why not provide it? And why do you care how parents react? In the US, there are parents who are against teaching children about evolution, do you think that this is a good enough reason not to teach children about this?

I'm sorry, but an argument from authority does not make you right, evidence does. And if authority matters to you, I am able to speak to people with medical degrees who seem to disagree with most of what you are saying.

You keep mentioning business, but I keep repeatedly demonstrating how this is not an issue, does this not bother you?

#link Posted: a month ago

Because mathematics are science and fact based which are applied to everything? As for the theory of evolution, I'm not an American Christian so I can't really speak up for them. However, I do indeed disagree with those who disagree with the theory of evolution.

And just in case you forget, this:

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/20.....nder-ideology/

#link Posted: a month ago

Are you aware that the exact same 'look what they're doing to our children!! D:' argument is used as an argument against gay rights?

#link Posted: a month ago

There's a huge difference between gays and transgenders. Homosexuality is not only an easier concept but also a concept that does not involve prescription drugs or sex reassignment surgery to maintain homosexuality.

#link Posted: a month ago

Do you think that your argument is more plausible because homosexuality is somehow simpler than transgenderism? Aside from the fact that, biologically, this is probably false, it is an absurd and unscientific argument. Also, what has sex reassignment (something that is not guaranteed is transgenderism) got to do with your argument?

#link Posted: a month ago

Sex reassignment surgery is being promoted by "trans activists" as a necessity for transgendered individuals and demand that governments pay for this to increase accessibility to such services. That only benefits those who provide SRS not anyone else. To me, it's a money making scheme.

#link Posted: a month ago

Who is making these demands and where? And you are still yet to demonstrate how this makes anyone any money, when the drug involved is not monopolised by any one company or even country.

#link Posted: a month ago

This?

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/20.....nder-ideology/

This is what I've been trying to express not attack the trans community. White men or not, "trans rights" means money to some people.

#link Posted: a month ago

The doctor from your link does not seem to understand how heritability works, her statement over twin studies demonstrates this.

#link Posted: a month ago

As for your 'economic' argument, Tamoxifen is a very cheap drug.

And do you know what else is a risky activity, one that has a high risk of illness? Sex. Should we restrict that too?

I'm curious, have you asked a transgender person about this issue? And if so, what did they have to say about it?

#link Posted: a month ago

If a company has a monopoly on drugs like tamoxifen in a market, they can enjoy higher sales with a higher price markup and this will benefit them the most if there are transgendered customers who need them for hormone therapy.

What does sex have to do with transgenderism in general? My journal is not about sexual activity.

#link Posted: a month ago

Who has a monopoly on this drug, and how will transgender rights cause a monopoly? Tamoxifen is produced by multiple companies, none of them has a monopoly over the drug. It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the most effective and safe medicines needed in a health system. It is available as a generic medication.

The statement about sex uses the same logic that you use to reach your decision to not support transgender rights. See your statements about the 'risks' involved for reference.

#link Posted: a month ago

What does it matter? Even if they don't have a monopoly, they still profit off from transgendered patients as long they support things like getting the government to pay for this which means levying taxes to pay for this. I rather have trans people pay for these services themselves or look for an insurance company that will pay for this.

Does sex require sex reassignment surgery or hormone blockers? Last time I checked, they don't. Sex is risky but different.

#link Posted: a month ago

If it doesn't matter, why do you keep bringing it up in your argument? You are shifting the goalposts instead of sticking with your own argument.

How many transgender people are there? It hardly seems like a massive burden to the taxpayer.

#link Posted: a month ago

You say that you are a healthcare professional, yet you are failing to stick to even the most basic of scientific principles. Your arguments should be falsifiable, yet instead of accepting that they don't hold up, you are telling me that, 'actually that argument doesn't matter, I'm still right'.

You are denying that this is a condition that is worthy of being treated/alleviated medically, something that the WHO (I'm sure you know who they are) disagrees with.

I would also like to ask, what, specifically, do you think that children should be taught about sexuality? That it is binary? If this is what you want to teach, it is contrary to the available science.

#link Posted: a month ago

Even if there's not a lot of transgendered people, I think they should just be treated as people than as customers for businesses that want to exploit their identity and advertise them out loud to get more of them. It's bad enough that there are black market peddlers in my country who want to take advantage of this. Not to mention, it's hard to prove the concept of transgenderism because its abstract. To me, I just think they're just people being themselves and should be seen as individuals with personalities than as tools. Again, I'm more concerned of businesses and people exploiting transgendered people not the trans themselves.

#link Posted: a month ago

Children can be taught sexuality in binary terms because there are male and female reproductive parts. In The Netherlands, that's what they do. After all, there's a reason why places like public restrooms have male and female restrooms.

#link Posted: a month ago

'The Federalist?' And an article from a radical feminist? Well, there's not liable to be any political bias there, is there? I mean, aside from the fact that most of her reference links are broken, many of the things that she states apply to the LGBT community as a whole, including most of her references! I thought that you were trying to make an argument for only transgenderism? She has not backed up a single thing that she has claimed with evidence that is not in the form of a further opinion piece, not one.

#link Posted: a month ago

If you don't think that they should be treated as customers, then why did you contradict yourself earlier by saying that they should make themselves customers by paying for their own treatment?

You claim that you are in some way worried that these people are being exploited, yet you are talking in their place.

You are confusing sexuality with gender, they are not the same thing, nor are they considered the same thing in scientific terms.

As for thinking that toilets somehow make a point, there are genderless toilets all over the world, most of my local restaurants operate in this way... Does this mean that you were wrong? At the end of the day, I'm afraid that science trumps toilets. See a scientific article from a well-respected, peer-reviewed journal for reference: https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943

And, by the way, sex education in the Netherlands does teach gender and sex, and the difference between the two. Could it be that they too are being indoctrinated by big pharma under some massive global conspiracy? If so, why would you mention them?

Your grasp of economics is troubling. A basic lesson for you: demand drives supply, as in: demand drives prices down. Or to put it more simply for you: the more transgender people opt for treatment, the cheaper it gets. Do I really have to provide a reference for this too? Supply and demand is taught under even the most basic economics courses.

#link Posted: a month ago

Because taxpayers shouldn't pay for theirs. Governments are meant to obey their own people and nations not serve special interests for corporations. They want to have SRS, they should pay for it. Yeah they're still seen as customers but they should pay.

But what if most Dutch disagree on the idea that gender and sex are not binary and prefer to stick to the binary definition? Do people get arrested if they believe in the binary terms? Last time I checked, the UK arrests people who claim sex and gender are binary. Why is your country arresting people who prefer to believe in the idea that gender and sex are binary? This to me screams human rights violations for arresting people who think differently.

Transgender people are consumers and if more of them opt in for treatment, the more price goes up. I don't know why you think demand drives prices down it doesn't. Who taught you that?

#link Posted: a month ago

So... You are perfectly happy to ignore the science, contradict yourself, and ignore move goalposts when your previous arguments don't hold up?

Seriously, read something against the position that you hold or better yet, read medical or psychiatric journals instead of conservative propaganda news sites and opinion pieces.

I really hope that you take interest in the science behind this and recognise your own prejudices before you hurt people over this.

#link Posted: a month ago

I am interested in science but at the same time, people need to be more concerned for the wellbeing of those who are "trans". You can't just give them SRS just because they demand it. As stated before, I am from a country where there's black market drugs being sold to trans though its not as bad on the scale that Thailand has. I simply believe that there's a better way and a far harmless way to all of this.

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#link Posted: a month ago

The whole transgenderism thing has become very intense now days. What's mostly scarying, is that activists and various LGBT NGOs are forcing a specific politically correct agenda against people who, not just deny the trans idea, but also against those who reject trans people for dating. Im gay, I want a REAL man, not a woman with beard with a fake body! The idea of being forced to date a trans man is AN ABUSIVE ACT, rape culture and reminds me of tyranny! I thought the LGB fought for sexual freedom and now we have to do as certain people wish!

I'm very scared! And Im more scared because those LGBT controlled NGOs are spreading their culture anywhere, from the opressed olympics to being an asshole towards people with different ideas. As for the opressed olympics, all they teach to people are self contradiction. First they're telling them to be "themselves" but after they're telling them to remain: dirty, not judge from outer appearance so go date a fat,which Im not attracted btw, no dont do that do this so you can look more opressed, be the LOSER! We allow, modern LGBT pages and global communities [fb pages, memes, famous activists etc] to TEACH us and OUR children to HOW TO LIVE! Im really tired of being told by those fascist bullies who to date,who to vote,what to believe! Im tired of being bullied by certain people I consindered to be friends who they utilize the intimedation card game so they hit on my sensitive parts of my mentality [emotional bullying], just because Im not conformed to their shitty ideas! AND OF COURSE IM TIRED OF FA FOR TURNING SLOWLY INTO A SAFE SPACE!

#link Posted: a month ago

Its going to eventually blow up in their faces because more and more people are fighting back against their politically correct bullshit. Stuff like this is why nationalism is spreading like wildfire allover Europe and the EU is falling apart because of shit like this. And these kinds of ideologies would be eliminated as much as possible to the point that governments will eventually ignore them. This is why people are voting for leaders who do not bow down to special interests even to the point as voting for people like Duterte. They want real leaders who care about their people and countries first not to some NGO or special interest group because they don't serve countries and societies as a whole. These days, a lot of projects for "solving the world's problems" are being left into the hands of private organizations because governments can't do shit in that! These leftists created these nationalists waves! They created people like Duterte. But they don't want to accept responsibility for causing these problems in the first place.

#link Posted: a month ago

basicly I've been saying for ages the biggest threat to transgender rights are transgender activists. they make nonsense points (the whole bathroom issue is making everyone who touches it look stupid) instead of oh I don't know... important issues relating to legal documentation changes and maybe reducing the stigma so a trans person feels comfortable confiding in their doctor.

#link Posted: a month ago

BINGO! That's exactly what I wanted to say!

#link Posted: a month ago

I will contest one point thought namely the point about big pharma. when it comes to financial incentives I don't think it's them. if you want to look into financial incentive for pushing this look no further than the ngos and activist organizations.

my theory on that is that once gay marriage was legalized by the supreme court. the various gay rights organizations needed something to stay relevant and more importantly keep the salaries of the people at the top of these organizations. and transgender rights was the perfect substitute. remember when gay marriage was legalized nationwide not more than a few weeks later transgenderism became the talk of the media. I know a guy on youtube and twitter who will happily tell you everything about how corrupt these ngos are

#link Posted: a month ago

When I was in high school I seriously Contemplated getting my gender re assigned, but now 20 year plus later I am so glad I didn't. I can imagine some poor child going through with it and regretting it later in life. I also heard from several sources that people who undergo gender changes are at risk of becoming suicidal.

#link Posted: a month ago

YES! This is because of regretful decisions! Not to mention the permanent side effects that comes with sex reassignment surgery! I do not see any merit in this as a human right. Not to mention, in Thailand, people take advantage of transgenders from black market drugs advertised as hormone blockers to questionable "doctors" who claim to provide cheap quality sex reassignment surgery. On top of that in Thailand, post-op transgenders are part of the human trafficking crimes that take place there its not even funny! It doesn't just affect the post-op transgenders themselves; it affects everybody from their loved ones to those contributing to their mental illnesses!