Acceptance in the Fandom - Then and Now    

By Urban-Coyote, a year ago
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iu....

For a long time I've been meaning to write about growing up bullied, but I didn't have the courage to do it. With the recent ban of Transgender people serving in the US military, I'm motivated.

Parts of this journal have been rewritten. After rereading this, I think that I was harsh. Too harsh to really help foster a positive response to this information. For my initial rant, I apologize, it was a lot of hurt coming out all at once. I apologize for that.

I'd like to help talk about being intersex.

Intersex is defined as being the same as hermaphroditism, but many with the intersex condition do not like them being equated, as hermaphoritism brings to mind the mythical combination of all functioning genitalia. This stigmatizing word generally makes the intersex condition look like a fetish, and as such one must never call a person with the intersex condition a hermaphrodite or "herm" without their express permission.

--What's the difference between being transgender or transsexual and having an intersex condition?
>People who identify as transgender or transsexual are usually people who are born with typical male or female anatomies but feel as though they’ve been born into the “wrong body.” For example, a person who identifies as transgender or transsexual may have typical female anatomy but feel like a male and seek to become male by taking hormones or electing to have sex reassignment surgeries.

>People who have intersex conditions have anatomy that is not considered typically male or female. Most people with intersex conditions come to medical attention because doctors or parents notice something unusual about their bodies. In contrast, people who are transgendered have an internal experience of gender identity that is different from most people. [url=http://www.isna.org/faq/transgender]Continue reading[url].

If you want to fetishize me, or tell me how jealous you are of my condition, consider reading this entire journal. If you're an asshole you will be screened and you will be blocked. I've been put through enough shit without having to deal with it here. Of course, this does not apply to people that are genuinely curious and simply want to ask questions or discuss the condition!


Ok. Now I'll pull back my spines, grab a glass of milk, and get on to the catharsis. I swear I'll try to be less prickly from here out!

To give context to the bullying, I'll start by summing up my condition. Roughly speaking, before several surgeries, I was in a constant state of sepsis. I had a mix of sex organs, and some of them had grown infected and my body was starting to attack them. Now, after several surgeries and medication I'll have to take for the rest of my life, I am no longer in a constant state of internal suppuration (just pain). As for my sexual organs, to avoid future complications, I opted to have them all removed. I still fully identify as male. These are the details of my condition that I feel comfortable sharing.

When I reached high school, I made the firm decision to openly identify and live my life as male. This was over ten years ago, and transgendered people didn't have the voice they do today, intersex was unheard of where I'm from. When I first started using male pronouns, teachers were very confused, but my close friends understood and took very little time to start using them. My parents weren't understanding at all, and didn't respect me. (It took many years, but my close family is finally supporting.)

I didn't know any other trans or intersex people in school, so I felt completely alone when people bullied me. I got into fights. I failed gym twice, because of altercations in the locker room. I refused to change there for class. Slurs were written on my locker.

I found us.vclart.net in the 90's when looking for werewolf pictures. Finding that I wasn't the only one drawing animal people, I signed up and began posting right away. (At this time I was still using a female fursona and a male alternate sona because I was too scared to come out online.) At first things were great! I drew fan art for people and did as many trades as people would agree to. I chatted on forums and role played with people. I was building a support network to escape the bullying from school.

Then I interacted with the wrong person, and the online life I had created was devastated. When I decided to live as a male, this person would use slurs and call me girl's names on purpose. At first when this person and their friends began harassing me, I fought back. In school if I beat someone up, they tended to stop. This doesn't work the same online, because anyone can be an Internet Tough Guy™. After awhile, I just gave up. I let this person and their friends bully me. I tried doing things "the right way" and reporting them without interacting. Nothing put a stop to them. No matter what site I went to, I was trolled and outed for being a "tranny". Dozens of hate art drawings appeared and despite not retaliating. No one wanted to hear my side of the story, because I wasn't yelling it, I was just trying to lay-low.

By this time my online support network was shattered. Just about all of my original friends no longer wanted anything to do with me, or worse, joined in and harassed me. The original problem person was even offering money to the artists I commissioned asking them draw boobs on my character. To avoid confrontation, people would use they/them pronouns for me so they wouldn't be corrected. I felt so invalidated. To this day I don't like being called them/they.

When I went to my first anthrocon, these same people left sticky posts on the physical message board there about me. They were so terrible that I only took down a couple, and my friends had to remove the rest (there were dozens). I'll admit now what I haven't been able to admit to myself. I cried. Those fucking messages were so mean, and so overwhelming, I cried. During that con I was followed into the bathrooms. At one point someone shoved me and got in my face while I was in fursuit. A friend had to step in in my defense.

In tandem, people outside the fandom became less supportive when I made it into college. I tried to join LGBT groups, but they all demanded to know what was in my pants. I lied about being intersex. It wasn't their business. I just told them I was a guy. But it wasn't enough. I had so-called 'friends' IMing me, demanding I admit to them that I'm transgendered. Even if I were trans, that is completely unacceptable behavior.

At furry conventions, people would misgender me, when I asked for male pronouns they would ask me to "prove it". I was groped without my permission. I was too scared to tell staff, because I just wanted the whole thing to be dropped. I just wanted to be respected.

Finally. I just left. I disappeared from the fandom. I stopped drawing. I let them win.


BUT things got better. I met some furs in AZ that were really nice, and they didn't care what was in my pants. They saw me as a person, someone fun to be around. They taught me what I needed to know for living here in AZ. They invited me to go to local furry meets and I had a great time. All the while, I was seriously ill. Finally, I had the courage to tell people about my condition. The people of that group were so supportive, they even held a charity event to help pay for my surgery. Now I've started attending meets and cons again. I'm trying to take down the walls I've built around myself all of these years (carefully, of course).


If you've made it this far, you have my sincerest appreciation. I apologize if I seem like I'm playing the victim, I really just want to tell my story. I've kept all of this bottled up for so long that it's eaten a hole in me. I don't want sympathy, I want others to know, you're not suffering alone. Things will get better, just hold on. If you need someone to talk to, I'm here. I'll be your support buddy.



PS
If you're tempted to argue about intersex vs hermaphrodite in the comments. Don't. Just do not.
51 comments

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  wolfy-t

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I'm really really proud of you, dude. And knowing your story helps me understand a lot of your artwork back on DA from years and years ago. I really hope that more people coming forward about intersex issues will lead to folks in the fandom being more thoughtful about slinging around words like 'herm'. It's disgusting to watch people from what is supposed to be one of the most accepting fandoms out there throw fits when politely asked by people who are affected in REAL LIFE (or anyone really) not to use certain words around them.

Anyways, if you ever need anything, you give me a holler, okay?
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I have to argue with people about MY condition so often, because places like e621 INSIST on mislabeling 'herms' as intersex. I've tried to tell them how harmful it is, but they simply do not care.
  xolroc

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Augh. I'm sorry you had to go through all that... some people just have no concept of respect. x.x I'm glad things are going better for you now. You're a strong person to be able to go through that and come out as anything other than a shattered wreck.
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I am a shattered wreck. :(
  xolroc

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
You seem like you've been able to piece most of yourself back together, at least.
  ssrrttett

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I honestly don't understand why people would invest all that time and energy to constantly harass and bully someone who didn't harm them in any way... Just baffles me. :(
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I don't understand it either, honestly. Even now when I see people being bullied for something as simple as having an "ugly fursona", I just can't understand it.
  silence

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
People can be truly disgusting creatures :/ I'm so sorry you have to deal with this.
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I just want it to end,.
  stickyfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Being the old fuck that I am, I have a few furry friends that I've known for decades; people I met at cons or on usenet or IRC, or just through the furry grapevine. And I feel like this should go without saying but doesn't... despite their being good friends of mine, after all these years I don't know what most of them are packing down there. I have no idea what their genetic makeup is. I just don't think that's an important part of getting to know someone, and I don't feel a need to go around telling everybody I'm genetically male.

I realize that there is a lot of emphasis on sexuality and gender these days, but one of the things that grosses me out about the fandom and social media is the pressure to put it out in front. I don't want to introduce myself by the things that get me off. I've worked very hard to develop character in the other aspects of my being, and while I encourage people to express themselves as they see fit, I think we furries are under too much pressure to be sexual when it's not appropriate.

I had no idea.. I wasn't even wondering. And I fully support you in the struggle to be who you are when the world is telling you to be something else, and I'll happily extend a hearty middle finger to the haters and the rudely curious on your behalf. It's tough enough to grow up with "normal" sexuality.

Furries are all about acceptance until someone gets weirded out, aren't they?
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
It's really true. Aside from being asexual, I really don't care what's in someone's pants either way. It's not my effing business.
  mrinitialman

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I am so sorry you had to go through that.

I have tried to explain what intersexed means (I myself am not), but perhaps you can correct me if I'm wrong: "Intersexed is when your body can't decide which gender it wants to be, has BOTH sets of equipment--and generally neither works."
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Intersex varies greatly, I recommend http://www.isna.org/faq/hermaphrodite that site for all the details. :)
  wolvengamer

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Damn man, that's rough. Like... shit, I wish I could say more. I'm just happy you've found acceptance now. Intersex is one of those conditions that I've never truly been able to wrap my head around, but not for a lack of trying. It's one of those things that I wish there was more (proper) information about. It blows my mind how narrow minded a lot of furs were about it, but then again... we are just people, in the end.

At least you've got the love and support you need, now, especially from me, ya crazy yote.
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I find this site really helpful for understanding the condition better.
http://www.isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex
  sunkawakan

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Sticky Fox isnt the only old fuck here. Thank you for telling your story, and I am glad that you still participate in the Fandom.

I'm not really sure why it's so important what you have in your pants. It is really none of ANYONE'S business. Still, you seem to be growing and surviving with a good support group, and for that I am glad. It seems crazed that, with all the differences that people have here, some feel it necessary to single ANYONE out for ANYTHING. Maybe I am just stupid.

Best of luck to you!
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I'm not sure it's limited to the furry fandom, but it certainly isn't a place I expect people to be so judgmental.
  thedesertfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Thanks for sharing your story. Regardless of your identity, I'll always accept you as a friend. You're one of the most fun people I know to talk about artwork, the creative process and its always fun to bounce ideas off of you. I'm really happy to see that the meets here in AZ are working out for you. : )

- The Fox
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I'm glad that I'm still fun to be around, I'm so anxious these days!
  heize

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I remember reading some of this from you before, a long time ago now probably, and wondered if it had anything to do with your off and on presence. But I had no idea all of this was going on. I am so sorry you had to endure that. You did not deserve any of that. I am glad things are getting better in your life. I love seeing your art and hope you can find time and motivation to continue posting as long as you feel comfortable to.
  edwardsebastian

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
What this chick said, pretty much to the letter.
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I did my best to keep it hidden away for a long time, hoping that it would just blow over, you know?
  kuntos

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
i've amusingly never thought you as anything less than just "androgynous dude who is my buddy" since we met and began chatting those years ago regarding any physical appearance issues. but last i saw of ya--i thought you had more a punk rocker vibe going too? :) (think was a like shaved head and mohawk look? <correct me there if mistaken>) definitely not a questionable zone to me though. :)

when i had first learned of the intersexed details (back when you first educated my slow to learn ass about it all.) i was more curious about all the health issues, etc. and i'm honestly glad that it just made us closer friends since--to me at least--you had someone who was being a friend about your health and having legitimate curiosity to help instead of "a science project!" type reaction or such jackassery vibed learning. :)


i'm glad that you managed to endure with all that shit--it sucks ass that you had to endure any of it at all, really--but because of it all, you've grown into the amazing person you are today. Though i still hope one day we can get your health much better controlled with that pain management. that really does suck horribly they're still fucking ya over with it. :(
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Our next plan is to stab me with nerve killers until something works, I guess.
  thunderstrike23

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I...can't even imagine all that. I just can't. You probably handled it way better then I would have. I'm an explosive person, ah..haha...

Honestly, I just don't understand why people want to know 'whats in the pants'. I never really did. People are people, why does it matter if they have one set of genitals or another? Does it make them feel big for bashing someone because they're different? I have to wonder what's wrong in their lives that they feel they have to belittle someone else for their personal life decisions...

Anyways, enough on that. I'm glad to see you have some kind of support group now, however. It's nice to have people who will accept you for who you are with no strings attached.
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
There are some things that would prevent a friendship between me and someone, and genitals aren't one of those things.
  theredghost

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I would have never thought, you were 100% male to me, like no question. I can't believe with the medical condition you had even your family wasn't understanding *hugs* :<
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
They've come around now, but it was rough, yeah.
  agika

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I don't have anything profound to impart here, just...that sucks . Glad things are better for you, now.
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Thanks, man.
  sirin-shadowfire

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Oh gosh wow thank you so much for sharing ;A;

Being a trans individual who is in the military, I'm pretty terrified. I'm worried about being kicked out and such, but after reading your journal...I'm not so worried anymore. Despite all your troubles and rude people, you found a place and friends that make you happy and that inspires me to just keep going.

You are an amazing individual and I hope you keep being great!
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I hope you don't get removed, it'd really be horse manure if you did. ugh. :(
  rockruff7

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
you aren't playing the victim. like i said before... i saw a lot of this bullying (and frankly, let's name it: this was abuse) and you were always just trying so hard to be nice. you were respectful of even the worst most vile people i've ever seen. and i met u when i was so young.. i hope u know that u were nothing but a positive influence to me and i think of our old days fondly and as some of the best times, bc things were very hard for me around then

^^ i love u and am here if u ever need anything, i hope u know that.
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
It really humbles me to know I was a positive influence for you, man.
  skender

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I don't know what's worst about this whole journal. Having to grow up, born with mixed genitalia, that your own body regretted, that you needed SURGERY to get rid of and now you need pills for the rest of your life. The just... I can't even find a accurate word to describe it, deranged? behavior of people, how they treated you. Getting groped, beaten, humiliated publicly, getting attacked, and for the reason they did it all. I'd feel sorry for them if they were they not such degenerate animals, because they never got to meet you as a friend, because it sounds like you are nothing but kind and compassionate, and seem to touch lives with your kindness.

Or, that you were (In my estimation) so traumatized, by ALL this horror and pain, that you left the fandom.

You parents should have supported you, though I am not judging them, I do not know them and what they did, but, well if I had to suffer any of this, with my parents, I know I'd be dead.

I'd had taken my life if I were in your shoes, or if I had to endure what you have had to, but with my parents. I just would not have been strong enough, not in my youth.

I think you are a very, VERY strong person for having gone through all this, and to STILL be that gentle, kind soul. I'm just glad you're alive man, you seem like a incredible, unique person, with a gentle, kind soul, and reading this, I know you got endurance I myself don't even have today.

To go through
ALL this, and still be so kind, gentle, caring and compassionate. I'm dumbfounded. I have no words for this, for you, other than how horrible your past has been, and how truly wonderful and strong a person you are.

I am really high and emotional right now, but I remember when I first read this, I was, and still am, shocked, and I can not seem to grasp any words to accurately describe just how I feel right now.

I'm just too upset and emotional, and high on the pills to say much more at the moment. I am just so deeply sorry you suffered all that. You didn't man, you didn't. I am just so so sorry. You deserved so much better, so much more than what you got in your youth. I still don't know what to say, I'm sorry, I'll just stop, until I get some sleep and can think clearly, I'll try posting another, more accurate message on how I feel, because this is horrible, and I never knew you endured so much, undeserved pain and suffering.
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Trust me, there were definitely times I almost brought a gun where I shouldn't.
  skender

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Don't think any sane person can fault you there. I know I don't, nor do I judge you in any way, save that you are a good, gentle soul, who has had to endure far too much. Too too much, and I am glad you are here now, alive, and I hope and pray you can find peace and happiness.

I also think you judge your self too harshly, if I am right, I hope you can forgive your self, for anything you may resent about your self, your past. That self hate can eat you inside out worse than hating others. I know that from experience.

Sure, I have my bad days, but I made peace with a lot of my past and I know I'm better for it. Few could held out and stayed strong as I did. Even less I think, could ever be as strong as you, let alone turn out as kind and gentle as you are.
  cheery314

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
*hugs tightly*
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
*hug*
  cheery314

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I am glad you are doing better now friend!
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
thank you!
  scriber

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I'm sincerely sorry for any part I played, actively or by saying nothing. I've learned a lot about standing up to and for others.

I'm glad that things have eased up, you've gotten the treatment you need, all that stuff. That's good! You deserve to feel okay, and be in an okay place.
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Many of the people who bullied me or stood by have come around and we've made amends. I haven't any negative feelings of you.
  xanderdawg

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
That's a pretty remarkable story, I've been following your art all these years and never knew! I'm so glad you shared and so sorry you had such a hard time being yourself. I'm not trying to pander or anything like that but I have never known you as anything but a male. Even when I saw you at IBFC this year for the first time in person, it never even occurred to me that you'd ever been anything else! You are pretty awesome for being the kind person you are today despite all that! I hope to see you at a meet sometime and chat again! stay strong, stay awesome, and keep being you!
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I try really really hard to be nice. I don't want to harm anyone if I can help it.
  hyjakh

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
I love you very much.
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
*hug*
  sedrinthestar

#link     Posted: 9 months ago

 
Dude ever since I met ya in Hot Topic you have been a cool and fun guy in my book. I am so sorry you have had such a hard time and life. But really hope moving into the future you can be the you ya want to be without people being assholes.
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: 8 months ago

 
Thanks, dude. I've been so exhausted with the constant fight for respect. :<
  mobilikyo

#link     Posted: 9 months ago

 
Hi, I've been following your work since dA. It's pretty rad you just said everything, respectable and brave. Good luck on your future projects.
  urban-coyote

#link     Posted: 8 months ago

 
Thank you. ;^;