In the city of Nasriyya (Thi Qar Governorate), protestors chant: “Iran, Iran, we don’t want you anymore, Thi Qar will not shut up anymore!”
The biggest issue is corruption, not Iran. What happens is that Iran is used as a scapegoat by certain populists, while, in reality, it is a much deeper problem that can be eradicated only slowly and gradually. I'm not claiming that Iran is beneficial to Iraqi economy or administration, but their involvement in Iraqi domestic affairs is hardly responsible for mismanagement or corruption.
Massive turnout. I didn't realise Iranian involvement in Iraq was so unpopular, it seems nationalists wont tolerate it.
Then why did they elect such pro-iranian politicians 🤔
Neither Abadi nor Sadr are pro-Iranian by any stretch of the imagination. I don't have an emoji for that one, though...
Hadi al Amiri fought for Iran in the war and Muqtada al Sadr, regardless of what he says, gets a lot of backing from Iran. Abadi and Maliki weren't anti Iranian either.
They are not anti iranian too especially Abadi so whats your point?
So, NOT being anti-Iranian makes them pro-Iranian?
you realize that the world is not binary, right?
He agrees with you, do you not see?
Wow how was that not what he was saying?
I don't understand to whom you're replying.
He doesn’t have a point.
Compared with the last election, explicitly pro-Iranian parties actually lost seats. Amiri and Maliki combined got fewer votes than Maliki did in the past election.
Iraq isn’t majority Shia, Sunni or Kurd, Iraq is majority Iraqi. Iraq went to war with Iran for 8 years where the Shias in Iraq were fighting against Shias in Iran, Iraq are proud Arab Iraqis while Iran aren’t Arabs. I remember how about a year ago Saudi guys were talking to some Iraqi PMU and everyone was surprised except for the Iraqis, Arab nationalism in Iraq is very strong especially in Basra.
But didn’t Iraq under Saddam started the war?
Yes, he thought that Iran was weak and it was the right moment to attack. Iran was not even in full capacity of combat because it underwent a Revolution by this time : http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2018/07/review-iran-iraq-war-lion-of-babylon.html
But the Shias never defected for the most part even if they were under extreme surveillance.
Kurds are Iraqis too my friend, Iraqi identity is not tied to any ethnicity.
In theory, but in reality the Arabs form the backbone of Iraq and Iraqi identity. Matter of fact, the name Iraq specifically referred to lower Mesopotamia which roughly refers to everything south of Tikrit and Hit. It is pretty much entirely Arab with the exception of a few Persians.
You mention that Iraq isn't Shia, Sunni or Kurd and then go on to say "Iraq are proud Arab Iraqis" and talk about Arab nationlism. So you're saying it is, in fact, racist against Kurds? Confused by your message here.
Iraq never liked Iran.
Iraq never liked Iran
Saddam warped their minds
The elections say otherwise.
See my comment above...
The elections reflected this sentiment. Iran loyalists lost.
How they lost, care to explain?
Nationalist cleric Moqtada al-Sadr and Iranian-backed militia chief Hadi al-Amiri, who won first and second place respectively in Iraq’s May parliamentary election, announced on Tuesday an alliance between their political blocs.
Hadi got 2nd place (not a victory), and Maliki plummeted. The popular vote did not favour hardline Iranian loyalist parties. Vast majority voted for the alternatives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_parliamentary_election,_2018
Yes, that is how multi party system works. Now, the first and the second party will have to make coalition in order to form government. They even invited and Abadi party in to this.
No..... he didn't have to form a coalition with Hadi, he chose to. Hadi's party lost. Sadrists won. The votes were counted. More Iraqis voted Sadr, less Iraqis voted Hadi. More Iraqis voted Abadi, less Iraqis voted Maliki. The election results reflect the sentiment you see in the video. The coalition was not up for popular vote, that's a whole different story. You're intentionally blurring the results when the numbers are right in front of you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_parliamentary_election,_2018
The only thing you can question is 1) the low turnout, or 2) the fairness/transparency of the election, but the numbers and who won and who lost is not really up for debate.
So by your logic everybody lost, because there is not SUCH THING AS POPULAR VOTE in Iraq. Either you have 51% and form government or you make coalition with other party to obtain 51%, in this case with Hadi and Sadr + Abadi. I cant call this coalition anti iranian.
Thats how iraqi system works.
The original poster said:
Massive turnout. I didn't realise Iranian involvement in Iraq was so unpopular
You said:
The elections say otherwise.
Reality: The elections do not say otherwise. On the contrary, the election results reflect the sentiment in the video as most Iraqis voted for parties that are not Iran loyalists, as the numbers show. Sadr didn't win majority in parliament but he won a plurality of the votes which gave him the power to form a coalition. Popular vote just means the people voted and every vote was counted, and the numbers showed that Iran loyalist parties received less votes.
Most iraqis voted for parties that are either pro iranian or dont have ideology problem to form coalition with such parties. So your arguments are irrelevant.
did Iran cut electricity to the Thi Qar Governorate?
Looks like the Iraqis haven't been paying their bills on time.
https://en.mehrnews.com/news/135497/Iran-cuts-electricity-supplies-to-Iraq-over-unpaid-bills
Is there any evidence Iran is responsible for corruption in Iraq?
There are reports that Iran turned off the electricity supply in some areas due to unpaid bills.
Iran has basically been supplying electricity to Iraq without getting paid, forcing Iran to cut the supply. This lead to Iraqis protesting on the street.
https://en.mehrnews.com/news/135497/Iran-cuts-electricity-supplies-to-Iraq-over-unpaid-bills
We don’t know what they’re even saying in this clip because the quality is so shitty and the source is dubious.
I just don't see how Iraqis can blame Iran for most of Iraqi gov's corruption. True some of the Iranian backed militias do probably contribute to some degree of corruption, but compared to the trade and military and political assistance Iran provided to Iraq, IMO it would be misplaced to blame Iran for poor conditions in Iraq.
I know what they are saying:
ايران ايران ما نريدج بعد = Iran Iran we dont want you anymore
ذي قار ذي قار ما نسكت بعد = Dhi Qar Dhi Qar will not be silent anymore
no you don’t know what they’re saying because it’s not clear what they’re saying, you’re hearing what you want to hear.
Its clear if you know Arabic.
It’s clear if you have an agenda to push
maybe it's not clear if you have an agenda to push
You mean when you have ears and can listen to a clip and conclude that the audio quality is shit and what they’re saying inaudible?
Yea very nice agenda I’m pushing. Post a clearer clip and I won’t “push my agenda”.
Nasiriyah? Is that the same town where that big battle happened during the US Invasion of Iraq 2003?
Same town.
Suggestion: There should be a mega-thread for the Iraqi protests, there is a lot of news coming out of Basra and Najaf. Two dead, facebook shut down, and Kurdistan 24 just reported a state of emergency. Better to have them all in one thread.
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Pay the bills next time, Ayrabs.
Rules 3 and 9. Removed and banned for 3 days.
The time to deliver a final push for getting Iran and their influence out of Iraq is nearing. Iraq will free itself from the Safavid grip.
Good luck with that. Iran has created a state within a state in Iraq. You want Iran out of Iraq? Get ready for another long civil war, because Amiri, Maliki and Mohandes will not lay down their arms.
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