Jim Keller Leaves Tesla for Intel
Subject: Editorial | April 26, 2018 - 02:34 AM | Josh Walrath
Tagged: Zen, tesla, raja koduri, Jim Keller, Intel, Conroe, Banias, amd
Update: The official Intel announcement can be found here.
For anyone that follows the twists and turns of the semiconductor world, the name “Jim Keller” is approaching legendary proportions. He was a driving force in AMD’s K7 and K8 development, he moved on to PA Semi which was acquired by Apple to produce their class leading SoC’s for the iPhone, and then went back to AMD to become lead architect of the Zen architecture which powers the latest Ryzen CPUs from AMD. He then moved on to Tesla to be in charge of chip development for their autonomous driving program.
Very little has been heard from Jim Keller while he was at Tesla. The assumption was that he continued to do his job there and worked hard to innovate the potential chip designs that would power next generation Tesla vehicles to have fully autonomous driving capabilities. While that program has been in its infancy, we have not heard of custom chips being utilized by Tesla in the latest cars.
Now we have confirmation that Jim has left Tesla and has in fact been hired by Intel. Some months back Raja Koduri was hired by Intel to be in charge of all core development with a special interest in GPUs. It looks as if Raja has persuaded Jim to hop on board and help with what appears to be a stagnant core development team on the CPU side.
Intel has a history of “not invented here” mentality that has in previous years caused massive problems with the company. The reliance on the Pentium IV and its further development allowed their primary competitor to sneak up on them and shake up the marketplace. It took a design group out of Israel to set Intel onto a better path with the Banias/Conroe architectures which then lead to the Core architecture that we have seen iterated upon for the past decade.
The company has stagnated again. While the current Core architecture is faster in terms of IPC than Zen, it is a company that has not pursued innovation in a manner that has kept its competitor at bay. Jim Keller went back to AMD and architected what would become the Zen family of chips. In the space of those years he was there, he took the best technology AMD had to offer and built from the ground up a new architecture that could compete against Intel for a fraction of the R&D costs that the semiconductor giant typically spends. Intel stands to lose some significant marketshare in mobile, desktop, and server with the latest offerings from AMD. Combine this with the issues that the manufacturing group have run into with their development of the 10nm process, Intel seems to finally realize that design is really what matters when manufacturing issues hit. We can remember back in the Athlon 64/Pentium 4 days when AMD was 18 months behind on process technology, but still held a power/performance edge over Intel. While manufacturing can give a large advantage to any chip, a great design will not have to rely as heavily on cutting edge process tech to be competitive. Intel should hold all the keys to creating a truly overpowering series of products for their primary markets, but AMD has shown up with the plucky architecture that could cause some serious perturbations throughout the mobile, desktop, and server markets.
It seems that Raja is “getting the gang back together” to revamp the design culture at Intel to more adequately deal with threats to their CPU dominance across the board. They also are probably looking more closely at the ultra-mobile market that ARM has dominated for the past decade. Previous Atom designs have not come close to the efficiency needed to address those markets, but perhaps with a change of leadership and architects we can see Intel successfully address this very important area with high performance/high efficiency chips that we honestly expect them to be able to design.
Jim Keller to Intel looks to be a transformational move. Not just because of his expertise in architecture, but also a shift in how Intel goes about its daily business. Bringing this kind of expertise into the company is a watershed moment that moves away from the “not invented here” mentality that seems to dictate decisions at the company when they are not facing serious competition. We will see what kind of power Raja and Jim can leverage in changing the culture of the company. What cannot be denied is that Intel has frittered away its advantages in core design by not implementing aggressive product and feature changes for the past decade to insure its dominance in the CPU world. Compound this situation with the manufacturing woes at 10nm and we can see that Intel needed a shakeup.
Consider Intel shook.
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consider today Intel Q1 '18 Earnings Repport.
Not quite so sure if this is a good development for consumers. Everyone knows Intel's been profiteering by making every subsequent generation require a new motherboard. And now that Ryzen is out, we can see how ludicrously priced the top end chips were. If Keller and koduri end up making intel chips perform better than amd, whose to say intel won't return to those practices.
Every other gen, you mean. And Intel and AMD currently have price parity.
Not quite so sure if this is a good development for consumers. Everyone knows Intel's been profiteering by making every subsequent generation require a new motherboard. And now that Ryzen is out, we can see how ludicrously priced the top end chips were. If Keller and koduri end up making intel chips perform better than amd, whose to say intel won't return to those practices.
Meltdown does not affect the Keller designed secure Translation Lookaside Buffer in AMD x86 cpu's.
Likely Keller was brought back to solve that problem for Intel.
Any Meltdown solution using Bios or software patch from Microsoft will result in a massive performance hit.
Most likely, it isn't any one specific reason why Keller was hired on, it was multiple good reasons adn the one you mentioned is just one of many.
Likely to help with developing the Ocean Cove-architecture.
Jim Keller is awesome in a way that reminds me of Jay Miner :). Respect to both.
"Intel stands to lose some significant marketshare in mobile, desktop, and server with the latest offerings from AMD"
Intel is only going to lose some x86 server market share to AMD as that market can not be bought as readily as the consumer/PC market is by Intel.
Intel has no presence in the larger ARM based phone/tablet market and any OEMs in tha mobile market have their more power efficient ARM ISA SOC supplies that have the mobile devices OEM not dependent on any one SOC supplier like exists in the x86 market. The mobile market will remain ARMv8A ISA based and even Intel could not buy(Contra Revenue) its way into market domination there.
Intel pays its way into most of its PC/laptop designs wins either with engineering help to the OEMs or Marketing assistance. So AMD has been forced into semi-custom dealings with Intel to at least get AMD's Graphics into that Kaby Lake series of offerings. The only true in that AMD has to get its Ryzen Prducts into consumers' hands is through the home system builders market where consumers can purchase Ryzen/Raven Ridge more directly via the direct retail channels. AMD lacks the funds to offer PC/Laptop OEMs that level of product engineering assitance and/or marketing assitance that Intel can offer.
With Keller on board I fail to see any x86 advantage for Intel as they already have the better x86 CPU core designs and Intel only lacks the willingness to lower its pricing and risk lowering its overall gross margins longer term.
Maybe Keller is there more besause of that OpenPower Power8/Power9 paired with Nvidia GPU accelerators market and Keller is maybe there for some More RISC like with higher processor threads per core competition against IBM/Nvidia and that OpenPower consortium that's netting many high profile Government Supercomputing design wins. Jim Keller does have plenty of RISC design experience under his belt. Keller has that co-authorship of the HyperTransport specification also and Intel needs and answer to Nvidia's NVLink and AMD's Infinity Fabric. Intel badly needs some form of Design that can compete with Power8/Power9 and Nvidia's NVLink that's a bigger technological threat to Intel than AMD's x86 is currently.
Intel's biggest threat from AMD is AMD's lower pricing that threatens Intel's traditionally higher server SKU markups that directly translates into Intel's rather high gross margins. And without those very high gross margins quarter to quarter Intel's share price would tumble.
Keller is not there to fix Intel's x86 Keller is there along with Raja to battle IBM/Nvidia and that OpenPower Power8/Power9 with NVLink CPU/GPU accelerator ecosystem that's coming at Intel from the top down while AMD eats away Intel's x86 server margins from the bottom up!
AMD fixed... AMD, so now it sends (ex AMD) people at Intel to fix... Intel.
The broken part of Intel is not any broken part that Keller/Raja are there to deal with. The really broken part with respect to Intel is the broken US government part that never dealt Intel's illegal market practices properly in the first place. And that was ever allowing Intel to buy its way into the third party x86 based Independent third party OEM PC/laptop market. Ditto for Nvidia and that GPP, that ironically even affects Intel in the very same manner that Intel has affected AMD to the detriment of the free and fair market place.
The Third Party x86 based OEM PC/laptop market is too supplier dependent to ever be heathy and properly competative. And any market that becomes dependent on any parts supplier to the detriment of the Indipendend Third Party PC/laptop OEMs is a sick market that needs government intervention.
I hope you all have enjoyed that Terrible Intel graphics that where forced onto the larger PC/Laptop market for over a decade, a period of time when Intel had plenty of money to hire Keller, Raja, and their dogs, to get Graphics/Other things better. And Really it was easer for Intel's lazy management to buy Intel's way into OEM PC/Laptop design wins in the OEM consumer PC/Laptop market than actually make an effort at producing better graphics, a longer term task with no short term managerial profit perks!
Raja and Keller are not there for any direct consumer market assistance for Intel! Raja and Keller are there to help Intel compete with Power9/Nvidia Volta!
Jim Keller was brought to Intel to implement an AMD style modular/scalable design.
Until that is implemented Intel cannot compete on cost/performance all other considerations aside.
Intel has the engineering chops to do that without Keller's help. Keller and Raja are there to stop OpenPower/IBM paired with OpenPower/Nvidia because really Power9 beats the x86 designs in the server/HPC markets and that NVLink with Volta accelerators is a bigger threat to Intel than little old AMD's x86.
AMD had damn well better keep Keller's K12 custom ARM work handy as the ARM maket is totally not under any Intel Influnce and never will be. Lisa Su be advised that K12/Vega graphics may just net more revenue potential from new markets compared to any x86 based CPU cores than can never beat any RISC ISA cores in low power usage metrics.
AMD lacks the funds to buy its way into the larger x86 based PC/Laptop market wit funded design wins like Intel Can, and buy its way in to those wins Intel really does.
Keller/Raja have bigger fish to fry for Intel and that's not so much consumer oriented as it is professional oriented designs to compete with Power9/Nvidia and that growing OpenPower threat that's not x86 based.
Josh, add a link to the newsroom article
https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/jim-keller-joins-intel-lead-sil...
Will do. Thanks for the head's up.
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