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Remember That Abusers Also Love Consent.

You can’t hit “delete” on an abuser, unfortunately: kick them out of your parties, and they stubbornly continue to exist in the real world.

Nine times out of ten, they’ll find some other group to go to, or start their own.

And in some ways, kicking an abuser out is helpful for the abuser. It gives them a fresh start – they get to go to a group of people who mostly don’t know them and reinvent themselves. If called on their personality shift, they’ll say they’ve changed.

I’ve been hearing a lot lately that former abusers are getting big into this whole “consent” thing.

Because it’s easy to speak the language of consent: talk loudly about how you respect people’s boundaries, condemn those jerks who stepped over the line, offer to comfort the people who’ve been hurt. You can be a real good friend to a lot of people very fast by sympathizing and doing the right work.

And it’s also easy to give up small pleasures for greater gain. A lot of the time, if you’re initially respectful of your partner’s stated desires, they’ll let you move past those limitations a lot quicker. And since it’s hard for someone to determine the difference between “I’m respecting your boundaries, which has the nice side effect of getting me into your pants quicker” and “I’m respecting your boundaries because it gets me into your pants,” it’s a stratagem that’s surprisingly effective.

And when the abuser does push boundaries hard, just to see what they can get away with, they’re cloaked in the right ways to have it written off: it was a mistake, they didn’t mean to do it, could happen to anyone.

Except, strangely, it keeps happening.

Over and over again.

This new wave of reinvented abusers is starting to look a lot like today’s upstanding citizen. Which is entirely predictable, because the shape of what today’s “upstanding citizen” looks like is changing, and a smart abuser will to do everything they can to blend in.

Back when the upstanding citizen was a leather player who worked his way up through the ranks, the abuser worked his way up through the ranks. Back when the upstanding citizen was someone who volunteered a lot in his community, the abuser volunteered a lot in his community.

They know what you think a good guy looks like.

They’re going to become that.

And the problem is that mistakes do happen in kink. Negotiation is hard, yo – yeah, I know, “Consent is easy as tea,” but sometimes you spoke unclearly and they were expecting coffee, and sometimes they should have specified green tea and now they’ve drunk black tea and their heart is racing from the caffeine, and sometimes both sides feel pressured into offering and drinking tea because it’s socially expected of them and then it turns out this whole thing kinda sucked.

Honest consent violations happen all the time. In fact, they’re probably the majority of what happens. Sex is complex and confusing, and while the base concepts are difficult, the devil is in those details.

Good people fuck up.

And when I’ve said that, people have told me “You shouldn’t say that! Abusers will just take that information and twist it to their own ends!” To which I always reply: You sweet summer child. You think they’re not already?

Look. There is no good habit you can create that an abuser will not mimic. That is why they are insidious.

The main difference between an abuser and a non-abuser is patterns. A non-abuser will make a mistake once and do their damndest to make sure it doesn’t happen again. An abuser will make a mistake once, and then make it again, and then make it again….

Which is why it’s important to listen to victims’ complaints. Yeah, there’s always some level of false accusations mucking up the scene. But abusers know that, too, and they’re mighty quick to whip out the “false accusation” flag proactively, going on the offense to ruin the reputation of someone they abused before that person can hurt them.

Yeah, you don’t like drama – nobody does – but you know who really benefits from drama-free scenes where nobody complains? Abusers. Because that blissful silence lets their every mistake be their first mistake, as far as you know.

So you listen for someone’s mistakes. And then you stay tuned to see whether someone’s mistakes are one-offs that got cleared, or a pattern that indicates this person is someone you do not want to trust with your body.

Because abusers are starting to speak and manipulate the language of consent. Abusers are starting to write essays talking about how great consent is, because that gets people to trust them.

And here’s the scary part for me: Yes. Yes, I am saying that abusers can look a lot like me. They can say the same shit that I do, give the same fiery lectures, look every bit as impassioned – and they can use that behavior to mask a consistent pattern of consent violations.

Which is why I tell you: question me, and people like me. Ask the people we’ve played with how it went. Interrogate our mistakes. Ensure that we’re not making the same mistake twice, or three times, or four times. Call us on our harms, keep us honest, don’t let us shrug off an error that hurt someone as trivial.

Because the good news is, the culture is slowly changing. The concept of consent is taking root. Yet the bad news is that the abusers will mold themselves to any conception you have of what a good person looks like, as they have always done. They will be counting on your good will to write off their long trail of mistakes as a series of one-offs.

The paradox is that people can be strongly for consent and still make mistakes. We have to allow for our champions to have human foibles without excusing patterns of consistent neglect that become abuse.

That’s a hard line to tapdance on, but we have to do it.

Because abusers thrive whenever we assume what a good person looks like.

Cross-posted from Ferrett's Real Blog.

This entry has also been posted at http://theferrett.dreamwidth.org/563664.html. You can comment here, or comment there; makes no never-mind by me.

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From:caudelac
Date:November 15th, 2016 04:22 pm (UTC)
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actually, good example of mistake here- Green tea has caffeine. Maybe you didn't know that, but maybe you did, and you're pretending you didn't know that while your partner is now vomiting or writing in agony. Abusers will generally focus on how they didn't mean to and you can't blame them, while others will apologize, certainly, but also try to actually help you, or if you are the kind of person who hates to be touched when you're sick, actually not touch you, while the abuser will insist they know what's best for you.
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From:ckd
Date:November 15th, 2016 07:00 pm (UTC)
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Yup. One can even set intent aside and just say "if you keep making the same mistakes, it doesn't matter whether you are malicious or just can't learn; either way, you are not safe for me."
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From:ravenblack
Date:November 16th, 2016 03:00 am (UTC)
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I was going to say something along those lines too, yeah, I suspect many abusers aren't malicious, insidious, sneaky sociopaths, but rather just people who are bad at learning, bad at truly believing other people's point of view, and genuinely think they're decent people trying to do the right thing.

(Some *are* deliberate sociopaths too, of course.)
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From:callie_chan
Date:November 30th, 2016 09:28 am (UTC)

1/2 because I will never ever be able to contain my word vomit

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A very good piece.

I actually questioned on Tumblr, not too long ago, about how one can tell the difference between abuser and victim when both are claiming the other abused them. Not just because it's common for an abuser to accuse their victim of any heinous thing under the sun to destroy their credibility, but because that situation has specifically happened to me.

An ex-friend of mine - because friendships can be as abusive as any romantic relationship - used to be the most controlling, emotionally manipulative person imaginable. She used me to fulfill her own needs for fun and support with zero consideration for my needs; everything we did had to be focused on what she wanted at the moment, and she'd shoot down any suggestion of mine to do something I enjoyed that she didn't feel like. Everything had to be on her schedule; she'd 'encourage' me to call off of work or to stay up all night without sleep to do things with her, and if I resisted she'd question whether I really cared about her or get in a bad mood for ~mysterious~ reasons and take it out on me. She'd constantly vague post about me where I could see it, complaining about my behavior without naming me in heavily biased language and then soliciting support from her friends and our mutual ones in full view of me. She also complained about me, angrily and vocally, to her friends behind my back. If I did any activity she didn't approve of, especially if it didn't involve her and/or took my time and attention away from fulfilling her needs on command, she'd come up with reasons for me not to do it or shit-talk the other people involved. If I'd go on and do the activity anyway, again, she'd get pissed or question my affection for her. And any time I'd bring up any of these negative behaviors of hers, trying to talk them out and address them, she'd twist it around to where she was the victim of outside forces - stress from work, for example - and paint the situation as my fault for not accommodating her needs more, because it's not like she can help what she needs! All I had to do was provide it! And the talks would be so long and brutal, and provoke her temper so much, that eventually I learned to stop questioning her behavior or enforcing my boundaries at all, because it never worked and it just made my life worse to try.

Anyway, yeah. It was classic, vicious emotional manipulation all focused on training me to behave in the ways she wanted and expect nothing in return. Eventually I recognized this and broke away from her, cold turkey, after hearing she'd talked shit about me to a mutual friend about what a 'bitch' I was being, right after I'd had what had seemed like a good talk with her about how I needed a little space. (Which is to say she acted respectful and encouraged me to do what I needed to do to my face, and then immediately started trying to turn our mutual friends against me because she clearly didn't accept or respect my decision at all.) What I didn't know, thanks to me blocking her on every form of social media, was that she started poisoning every well I could reach against me. I experienced a huge upswing in online hostility against me, especially in the form of anonymous complaints, though they were never possible to trace back to her or even related to her - but the timing is suspicious. My paranoia continued for years - this was some five years back - and only this year, not that many months back, did some newly acquainted mutuals mention to me that she's been spreading the story that my girlfriend and I tried to get her to kill herself. That we embarked on a months-long campaign against her to drive her to suicide. Needless to say, nothing remotely like this ever happened, and my girlfriend once spent four hours on the phone with this woman talking her down from a suicidal episode.
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From:callie_chan
Date:November 30th, 2016 09:29 am (UTC)

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A lot of mutual friends still are on good terms with her. Some met us individually, long after this happened. And some, who had heard from me at the time what she was pulling, still never stopped being friends with her. I was too afraid of losing friends and making myself out as the bad guy to lay down a hard line that 'no, you cannot be friends with me and the person who fucked me up for years, I need your full support or I need you to get out'. I don't think anyone stopped being friends with my abuser when I broke away from them, actually; not even my girlfriend, though zie wasn't my girlfriend at the time. (Zie broke away later, for similar but not directly related reasons.)

Anyway, I'm detached enough to look at the situation from the outside, and I couldn't help wondering how friends sort out the truth from that kind of confusion stew. Two people with wildly different stories, one with a list of grievances that seems - to those who don't understand the slow creep of abusive, controlling behavior - to be minor and petty and 'why didn't you just walk away?', and the other with a dramatic claim of inexcusable wrongdoing. One person doing their damnedest to be reasonable and accommodating, the other incandescent in their righteous outrage.

When I asked this question, the consensus I received - and which is informed by my own experiences - is exactly what you said. Patterns. A new acquaintance of mine who I'd gotten friendly with - who I hadn't even known knew my abuser - revealed to me that my abuser had found out we were interacting and was positively in a froth about pressuring them not to interact with me, telling them all sorts of stories about me. Luckily, they'd already met and interacted with me a little, so they came to talk to me because they didn't believe her accusations when compared to my actual behavior. And when I explained our past relationship to them, and the things she'd done to me...new acquaintance was flabbergasted by how closely their own experiences mirrored what had happened to me. In five years, she hasn't changed her pattern in the least.

There's a few other things I'd cite as possible indicators of an abuser. One would be attitude - abusers tend to be highly critical of their victims, whereas victims will often have been trained to apologize for and excuse their abuser's behavior. Also, victims' experiences vary wildly, but in instances like mine where the abuse was subtle - they will indeed cite a long pattern of behavior that tends to be unimpressive when each instance is considered separately, but which is highly insidious in effect over time. Abusers will either have fabricated lies they can't back up or give specifics on, a few instances where their victim did fuck up that they return to like a dog to vomit as justification that They're The Real Victim Here Because Their Victim Fucked Up That One Time!, or a list of minor grievances where the only pattern is 'how dare they deny me this thing I wanted!' Sometimes it'll be a mix.

Also, as seen from my example...abusers have a much more vested interest in keeping their current friends (and possible victims) from interacting with anyone who's got receipts on their behavior and the truth behind whatever lies they may be telling, especially when it comes to former victims who escaped. If anyone's trying to keep you from fact-checking or getting the story from multiple sources, it's probably the one hiding shit.
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Remember That Abusers Also Love Consent.

You can’t hit “delete” on an abuser, unfortunately: kick them out of your parties, and they stubbornly continue to exist in the real world.

Nine times out of ten, they’ll find some other group to go to, or start their own.

And in some ways, kicking an abuser out is helpful for the abuser. It gives them a fresh start – they get to go to a group of people who mostly don’t know them and reinvent themselves. If called on their personality shift, they’ll say they’ve changed.

I’ve been hearing a lot lately that former abusers are getting big into this whole “consent” thing.

Because it’s easy to speak the language of consent: talk loudly about how you respect people’s boundaries, condemn those jerks who stepped over the line, offer to comfort the people who’ve been hurt. You can be a real good friend to a lot of people very fast by sympathizing and doing the right work.

And it’s also easy to give up small pleasures for greater gain. A lot of the time, if you’re initially respectful of your partner’s stated desires, they’ll let you move past those limitations a lot quicker. And since it’s hard for someone to determine the difference between “I’m respecting your boundaries, which has the nice side effect of getting me into your pants quicker” and “I’m respecting your boundaries because it gets me into your pants,” it’s a stratagem that’s surprisingly effective.

And when the abuser does push boundaries hard, just to see what they can get away with, they’re cloaked in the right ways to have it written off: it was a mistake, they didn’t mean to do it, could happen to anyone.

Except, strangely, it keeps happening.

Over and over again.

This new wave of reinvented abusers is starting to look a lot like today’s upstanding citizen. Which is entirely predictable, because the shape of what today’s “upstanding citizen” looks like is changing, and a smart abuser will to do everything they can to blend in.

Back when the upstanding citizen was a leather player who worked his way up through the ranks, the abuser worked his way up through the ranks. Back when the upstanding citizen was someone who volunteered a lot in his community, the abuser volunteered a lot in his community.

They know what you think a good guy looks like.

They’re going to become that.

And the problem is that mistakes do happen in kink. Negotiation is hard, yo – yeah, I know, “Consent is easy as tea,” but sometimes you spoke unclearly and they were expecting coffee, and sometimes they should have specified green tea and now they’ve drunk black tea and their heart is racing from the caffeine, and sometimes both sides feel pressured into offering and drinking tea because it’s socially expected of them and then it turns out this whole thing kinda sucked.

Honest consent violations happen all the time. In fact, they’re probably the majority of what happens. Sex is complex and confusing, and while the base concepts are difficult, the devil is in those details.

Good people fuck up.

And when I’ve said that, people have told me “You shouldn’t say that! Abusers will just take that information and twist it to their own ends!” To which I always reply: You sweet summer child. You think they’re not already?

Look. There is no good habit you can create that an abuser will not mimic. That is why they are insidious.

The main difference between an abuser and a non-abuser is patterns. A non-abuser will make a mistake once and do their damndest to make sure it doesn’t happen again. An abuser will make a mistake once, and then make it again, and then make it again….

Which is why it’s important to listen to victims’ complaints. Yeah, there’s always some level of false accusations mucking up the scene. But abusers know that, too, and they’re mighty quick to whip out the “false accusation” flag proactively, going on the offense to ruin the reputation of someone they abused before that person can hurt them.

Yeah, you don’t like drama – nobody does – but you know who really benefits from drama-free scenes where nobody complains? Abusers. Because that blissful silence lets their every mistake be their first mistake, as far as you know.

So you listen for someone’s mistakes. And then you stay tuned to see whether someone’s mistakes are one-offs that got cleared, or a pattern that indicates this person is someone you do not want to trust with your body.

Because abusers are starting to speak and manipulate the language of consent. Abusers are starting to write essays talking about how great consent is, because that gets people to trust them.

And here’s the scary part for me: Yes. Yes, I am saying that abusers can look a lot like me. They can say the same shit that I do, give the same fiery lectures, look every bit as impassioned – and they can use that behavior to mask a consistent pattern of consent violations.

Which is why I tell you: question me, and people like me. Ask the people we’ve played with how it went. Interrogate our mistakes. Ensure that we’re not making the same mistake twice, or three times, or four times. Call us on our harms, keep us honest, don’t let us shrug off an error that hurt someone as trivial.

Because the good news is, the culture is slowly changing. The concept of consent is taking root. Yet the bad news is that the abusers will mold themselves to any conception you have of what a good person looks like, as they have always done. They will be counting on your good will to write off their long trail of mistakes as a series of one-offs.

The paradox is that people can be strongly for consent and still make mistakes. We have to allow for our champions to have human foibles without excusing patterns of consistent neglect that become abuse.

That’s a hard line to tapdance on, but we have to do it.

Because abusers thrive whenever we assume what a good person looks like.

Cross-posted from Ferrett's Real Blog.

This entry has also been posted at http://theferrett.dreamwidth.org/563664.html. You can comment here, or comment there; makes no never-mind by me.

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From:caudelac
Date:November 15th, 2016 04:22 pm (UTC)
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actually, good example of mistake here- Green tea has caffeine. Maybe you didn't know that, but maybe you did, and you're pretending you didn't know that while your partner is now vomiting or writing in agony. Abusers will generally focus on how they didn't mean to and you can't blame them, while others will apologize, certainly, but also try to actually help you, or if you are the kind of person who hates to be touched when you're sick, actually not touch you, while the abuser will insist they know what's best for you.
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From:ckd
Date:November 15th, 2016 07:00 pm (UTC)
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Yup. One can even set intent aside and just say "if you keep making the same mistakes, it doesn't matter whether you are malicious or just can't learn; either way, you are not safe for me."
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From:ravenblack
Date:November 16th, 2016 03:00 am (UTC)
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I was going to say something along those lines too, yeah, I suspect many abusers aren't malicious, insidious, sneaky sociopaths, but rather just people who are bad at learning, bad at truly believing other people's point of view, and genuinely think they're decent people trying to do the right thing.

(Some *are* deliberate sociopaths too, of course.)
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From:callie_chan
Date:November 30th, 2016 09:28 am (UTC)

1/2 because I will never ever be able to contain my word vomit

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A very good piece.

I actually questioned on Tumblr, not too long ago, about how one can tell the difference between abuser and victim when both are claiming the other abused them. Not just because it's common for an abuser to accuse their victim of any heinous thing under the sun to destroy their credibility, but because that situation has specifically happened to me.

An ex-friend of mine - because friendships can be as abusive as any romantic relationship - used to be the most controlling, emotionally manipulative person imaginable. She used me to fulfill her own needs for fun and support with zero consideration for my needs; everything we did had to be focused on what she wanted at the moment, and she'd shoot down any suggestion of mine to do something I enjoyed that she didn't feel like. Everything had to be on her schedule; she'd 'encourage' me to call off of work or to stay up all night without sleep to do things with her, and if I resisted she'd question whether I really cared about her or get in a bad mood for ~mysterious~ reasons and take it out on me. She'd constantly vague post about me where I could see it, complaining about my behavior without naming me in heavily biased language and then soliciting support from her friends and our mutual ones in full view of me. She also complained about me, angrily and vocally, to her friends behind my back. If I did any activity she didn't approve of, especially if it didn't involve her and/or took my time and attention away from fulfilling her needs on command, she'd come up with reasons for me not to do it or shit-talk the other people involved. If I'd go on and do the activity anyway, again, she'd get pissed or question my affection for her. And any time I'd bring up any of these negative behaviors of hers, trying to talk them out and address them, she'd twist it around to where she was the victim of outside forces - stress from work, for example - and paint the situation as my fault for not accommodating her needs more, because it's not like she can help what she needs! All I had to do was provide it! And the talks would be so long and brutal, and provoke her temper so much, that eventually I learned to stop questioning her behavior or enforcing my boundaries at all, because it never worked and it just made my life worse to try.

Anyway, yeah. It was classic, vicious emotional manipulation all focused on training me to behave in the ways she wanted and expect nothing in return. Eventually I recognized this and broke away from her, cold turkey, after hearing she'd talked shit about me to a mutual friend about what a 'bitch' I was being, right after I'd had what had seemed like a good talk with her about how I needed a little space. (Which is to say she acted respectful and encouraged me to do what I needed to do to my face, and then immediately started trying to turn our mutual friends against me because she clearly didn't accept or respect my decision at all.) What I didn't know, thanks to me blocking her on every form of social media, was that she started poisoning every well I could reach against me. I experienced a huge upswing in online hostility against me, especially in the form of anonymous complaints, though they were never possible to trace back to her or even related to her - but the timing is suspicious. My paranoia continued for years - this was some five years back - and only this year, not that many months back, did some newly acquainted mutuals mention to me that she's been spreading the story that my girlfriend and I tried to get her to kill herself. That we embarked on a months-long campaign against her to drive her to suicide. Needless to say, nothing remotely like this ever happened, and my girlfriend once spent four hours on the phone with this woman talking her down from a suicidal episode.
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From:callie_chan
Date:November 30th, 2016 09:29 am (UTC)

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A lot of mutual friends still are on good terms with her. Some met us individually, long after this happened. And some, who had heard from me at the time what she was pulling, still never stopped being friends with her. I was too afraid of losing friends and making myself out as the bad guy to lay down a hard line that 'no, you cannot be friends with me and the person who fucked me up for years, I need your full support or I need you to get out'. I don't think anyone stopped being friends with my abuser when I broke away from them, actually; not even my girlfriend, though zie wasn't my girlfriend at the time. (Zie broke away later, for similar but not directly related reasons.)

Anyway, I'm detached enough to look at the situation from the outside, and I couldn't help wondering how friends sort out the truth from that kind of confusion stew. Two people with wildly different stories, one with a list of grievances that seems - to those who don't understand the slow creep of abusive, controlling behavior - to be minor and petty and 'why didn't you just walk away?', and the other with a dramatic claim of inexcusable wrongdoing. One person doing their damnedest to be reasonable and accommodating, the other incandescent in their righteous outrage.

When I asked this question, the consensus I received - and which is informed by my own experiences - is exactly what you said. Patterns. A new acquaintance of mine who I'd gotten friendly with - who I hadn't even known knew my abuser - revealed to me that my abuser had found out we were interacting and was positively in a froth about pressuring them not to interact with me, telling them all sorts of stories about me. Luckily, they'd already met and interacted with me a little, so they came to talk to me because they didn't believe her accusations when compared to my actual behavior. And when I explained our past relationship to them, and the things she'd done to me...new acquaintance was flabbergasted by how closely their own experiences mirrored what had happened to me. In five years, she hasn't changed her pattern in the least.

There's a few other things I'd cite as possible indicators of an abuser. One would be attitude - abusers tend to be highly critical of their victims, whereas victims will often have been trained to apologize for and excuse their abuser's behavior. Also, victims' experiences vary wildly, but in instances like mine where the abuse was subtle - they will indeed cite a long pattern of behavior that tends to be unimpressive when each instance is considered separately, but which is highly insidious in effect over time. Abusers will either have fabricated lies they can't back up or give specifics on, a few instances where their victim did fuck up that they return to like a dog to vomit as justification that They're The Real Victim Here Because Their Victim Fucked Up That One Time!, or a list of minor grievances where the only pattern is 'how dare they deny me this thing I wanted!' Sometimes it'll be a mix.

Also, as seen from my example...abusers have a much more vested interest in keeping their current friends (and possible victims) from interacting with anyone who's got receipts on their behavior and the truth behind whatever lies they may be telling, especially when it comes to former victims who escaped. If anyone's trying to keep you from fact-checking or getting the story from multiple sources, it's probably the one hiding shit.
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