[00:00] Apparently it's okay to be a troll and a general pimple on the ass of society, but as soon as someone calls your hand about it, you cry foul. [00:00] gniks: Feel free to copy/past that over in the other place (or not). [00:00] I put toast in the toaster like 5 minutes ago and never turned it on [00:00] ... [00:01] rworkman: id rather not get involved on that level :) [00:01] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [00:02] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@97.103.10.* expired. [00:02] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@97.103.10.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:02] fatalnix: Incorrect. You put bread in the toaster 5 minutes ago. [00:02] gniks: fair enough. So long as you understand what it is you're involved with. [00:02] rworkman: actually, I'd rather a doctor be nice to me while he makes me better. [00:02] rworkman: because in reality, it's not likely to be an either-or. [00:02] Action: MLanden flips the breaker for fatalnix.....surges the bread...>:) [00:02] MarkT-: that wasn't one of the choices though. If it's going to be presented as a binary situation (and that's not MY presentation), then htose are your choices. [00:02] rworkman: it doesn't matter that's not one of the choices. [00:03] it's what I'd choose. [00:03] Action: rworkman thinks you missed the point, but okay :) [00:03] You can't choose something that doesn't exist. Not in this reality, anyhow. [00:03] And sometimes, healing requires work that some patients might hesitate to do, and they need strong encouragement. [00:03] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.32.249.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:04] jkwood: of course... but are you saying that good doctors are never polite? [00:04] haha no, that's not the point [00:04] good doctor and polite doctor are not two mutually exclusive concepts. [00:04] he is saying the good doctors know what they are doing, and if your going to learn something, its some times best to take the training wheels off and fall over a few times [00:05] bacal (~default@cpe-66-91-187-60.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: bacal has no reason [00:05] So while it's true you can't choose something that doesn't exist, my point is that the question itself ignores perfectly viable alternatives that it deliberately chooses to exclude in order to create a false dichotomy. [00:06] fatalnix: how's that toast doing?....using one of the tea-timers availble? [00:06] Long ago I used to be a spoonfeeder, on the Slackware.com web forums. I am now convinced that spoonfeeding does not help people develop the necessary skills to be successful in Slackware. [00:06] rob0: hey, trying to work on the hostapd thing again.. both laptops took the same ip :/ so sshing just took me to localhost pretty much [00:06] rob0 is right. Just look at that jkwood noob. [00:07] and hey... sometimes it's true... telling somebody to read the manual may be the best advice you can offer. [00:07] raela, darn it! Don't use the same IP for different machines! [00:07] and the receiver of the advice is NOT in a position to know the difference. [00:07] But there are much more polite ways of doing it than just shrugging them off with a 4 letter acronym. [00:07] rob0: man I was following along with your quick start guide from last night! I figured something was off there and switched which ips and now it won't get a lease for the ip [00:07] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:07] telling them what to search for in the manpage could help [00:08] like, "Have you read man page?" [00:08] MarkT-: indeed, that is the point. And personally I don't do that, I tell them what FM to R. [00:08] you also have to understand some of us get paid six figures to to do what we are doing here for free [00:08] though i remember getting annoyed at a professor who would give directions like "do . man $command" because it didnt seem very conducive to the not-hands-on kids becoming more hands-on [00:08] true...like mplayer....linuxuser..check out -vo and check the buffer as an example [00:08] MarkT-: and there are probably exceptions to this, but honestly, I don't recall there being a time when someone was just given a "RTFM" and that's it. Generally, it's "see manpage(5) - look at the config_whatever directive" [00:09] Like me, I get paid six figures. Unfortunately they're all zeroes. [00:09] asarch (~asarch@189.188.142.66) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:09] rob0: I thought you had to pay them money? [00:09] though perhaps dhcpcd is the wrong thing to be doing.. heh :P damnit, laptop, talk to the other [00:09] rworkman: which is helpful advice, and I have no qualms with someone who would do that. [00:09] But MarkT-, a lot of folks will whine about such help. [00:09] MLanden: you mean toastytoast? [00:09] mine is definitley not 0s [00:10] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/bagira expired. [00:10] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*cpunches@72.95.96.* expired. [00:10] ##slackware: mode change '-bb *!*@unaffiliated/bagira *!*cpunches@72.95.96.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:10] jk@unmotivated:~$ pom [00:10] The Moon is Waning Crescent (35% of Full) [00:10] Nope, that's not it. [00:10] aphelion [00:10] fatalnix: no...lol [00:10] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:11] rob0: it may be worth finding out why they have a problem with that help... it's probable that there's a communication barrier in that case. [00:11] if somebody had a problem with those directions, I'd ask what they had trouble understanding. [00:11] I've seen it lots of times, so much so that I no longer care to help such people. [00:12] Yes, it's called unreasonable expectations. [00:12] there comes a point where one should go back to english class [00:12] not sure what you mean by toast th- oh yeah! [00:12] it was fine [00:12] I put some pulled pork on it [00:13] lol...cool [00:13] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:13] gniks: it's less an issue of not understanding english and more a matter of not understanding the underlying reasons of why learning something for oneself is actually *more* helpful to a person in the long run than somebody else just doing it for them. [00:14] wow, you finally are making sense :) ;) [00:14] well, and for some people it's not really. but those people shouldnt use slackware [00:14] the thing is, it's uncommon to find people who lack that understanding and would still take it on faith that somebody else might know what they are talking about when they try to get them to help themselves. [00:15] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:16] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [00:17] so, if a person had trouble with specific directions like "look at man page , under section " I might what they didn't understand. [00:18] er... I might want to ask what they didn't understand, I mean. [00:20] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-249.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:20] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [00:20] hmmm [00:21] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.75.231) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:27] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:28] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/BROoTr32.html --with-sqlite fails to build Dovecot 2.0.rc1 [00:29] rob0: LDFLAGS+="-ldl" [00:29] thanks, trying that [00:30] I *thought* we fixed that in sqlite. Hrm, we did: [00:30] Libs: -L${libdir} -lsqlite3 -ldl <-- in sqlite3.pc [00:31] Maybe dovecot doesn't use pkg-config to get that. [00:31] Yeah sqlite has been knowen to do this [00:31] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:33] seems to be working, thanks [00:34] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:37] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-249.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:41] Yay :) [00:41] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:43] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.32.249.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:52] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-131.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [00:55] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [00:56] rob0: finally got it working.. no doubt took so long due to me being an idiot, but thanks much for the help :D [00:56] hey great! [00:56] Oh, I was going to suggest Alan's "networking 101" for you. [00:57] but, you figured it out on your own, much better that way :) [00:57] good read, it is [00:58] ugh it looks like it disconnected partially through the transfer though.. sending an 8.2G file. only 2.5G made it [00:58] and no, I probably should read that [00:58] rsync to the rescue [00:59] I tried but it for some reason didn't work.. maybe a port issue. ugh. unless I try to rsync from the other [01:01] sftp_ (~sftp@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [01:01] oh nevermind, I had the wrong term.. it's still going [01:01] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:04] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:05] bagira (~bagira@unaffiliated/bagira) joined ##slackware. [01:05] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/bagira' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:05] bagira kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Punches, you are a "poisonous person" and no longer welcome here. Google it. [01:05] so if i write a bash script that accepts data via a pipe, how would i store that piped information into a variable? [01:06] Action: turk182 doesn't know but... [01:07] gniks, "help read" [01:07] maybe something like... $var=${command} [01:08] cpunches (~cpunches@72.95.96.226) joined ##slackware. [01:08] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*cpunches@72.95.96.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:08] cpunches kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Punches, you are a "poisonous person" and no longer welcome here. Google it. [01:08] probably with $0 $1, etc. something like that [01:09] maybe not [01:09] was thinking of arguments [01:09] gniks: how do your have it layed out? [01:10] well its a filter script i made for postfix [01:10] it eventually pipes the input from the script back into sendmail to put it back on in the proper queue [01:10] it works as is [01:10] but what im trying to do, is email me when an email is trashed, and send myself a copy of the email [01:11] this read thing isn't working [01:12] maybe cause the FM sucks [01:12] imagine that [01:14] http://www.yourdictionary.com/law/stalking and http://www.yourdictionary.com/law/cyberstalking <-- cetainly not definitive, but since legal definitions vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, this seems to fit. [01:14] i missed something, huh rworkman? [01:14] http://groups.google.com/group/gsb-users/browse_thread/thread/f287d34cdb70a35d/90dbecbbcf332ae7?hl=en#90dbecbbcf332ae7 [01:14] oh my [01:15] Someone is upset that they were accused of "stalking" and is demanding an apology, but I don't see where the claim is incorrect. [01:15] i apparently didn't miss anyting [01:18] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [01:18] vldmr (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [01:19] hba (~hba@189.188.113.246) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:20] please, can I get kernel-2.6.34 slack package built in somowhere ? [01:21] in the next version of slack :) [01:21] otherwise you have to build it, or pull it from -current [01:21] buildin your own kernel is not that bad anyways [01:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:22] menuconfig makes it easy [01:22] gniks: fine !! X:P [01:22] sorry thats just the reality of the kernel [01:23] no problem [01:23] might be able to use the slackbuild scripts from the source directory to build it [01:24] but might not be stable [01:24] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.88) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:24] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [01:24] vldmr: what's your make/model? someone might be able to point a feature to include when compiling the kernel [01:25] MLanden: Im having problems with my note [01:25] AMD Turion II [01:25] note? [01:25] notebook* [01:26] ah [01:26] what issues? [01:26] crashes when linux load kernel modules [01:26] which module? [01:26] system startup... [01:27] thats not a module :p [01:27] not exist a especific module... its [01:27] crash with diferent modules everytime [01:28] but sometimes it load every sucessfull [01:28] that may not be an issue with the modules [01:28] if it loads some times and not others, it could be more of a hardware or config issue [01:28] yes [01:29] but I know new kernel have a better support for AMD [01:29] which means an upgraded kernel wouldn't make a difference [01:29] many adjusts for AMD in this new release... I know [01:29] i believe AMD is pretty well supported in all kernel versions, especially since you have an older AMD [01:30] gniks ... I have a k10 [01:30] you said AMD Turion II [01:30] yes [01:30] OH YEAH?! [01:30] my AMD Turion II works just fine .. I doubt it's your processor that causes the problem [01:31] I'm OWN you with my 66Mhz AMD K6 [01:31] just being random [01:31] the Turion II was released first in 2005 [01:31] thats old [01:31] :p [01:31] the K6 was released much much longer [01:31] ago [01:31] BP{k}: are you using it in a notebook ? [01:32] vldmr: yes. [01:32] hp ? [01:32] the K10 was between 2007-08 again older [01:32] well .. technically a HP Compaq Pressario CQ61-330SA [01:32] k6 was 1997, but for some reason mine is only 66 MHZ, its really weird. [01:32] im using HP dv4-2114br [01:32] and 66 Mhz was generally what 1997 video game systems had [01:33] HP Pavilion dv4-2114br [01:33] around there [01:33] N64 was 71 Mhz [01:33] iirc [01:33] K6 started at 166MHz [01:33] vldmr: /proc/cpuinfo says it's an "AMD Turion (tm) II Dual-Core Mobile M500". [01:33] the BIOS reports 66Mhz, not 166 [01:33] its wrong, or misconfigured [01:33] so the BIOS would have to be wrong [01:34] check your clock multiplyer [01:34] AMD Turion(tm) II Dual-Core Mobile M520 [01:34] fatalnix: sounds like a dx2 [01:34] the FSB on the K6 is 66MHz, i think your mixing your stats :) [01:34] BP{k}: urgh !! [01:34] says K6 on the actual chip [01:34] i used to have the K6 [01:34] way back when i was young [01:35] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:35] slack8 and freebsd 3 ran smooth on 'em [01:35] well all I know is that the BIOS reports 66 Mhz (Tried to get it running a couple days ago actually) and that it says K6 on it [01:35] BP{k}: AMD Vision Premium [01:35] fatalnix: thats your FSB, not the CPU clock speed [01:35] Anyone who had a K6 when young is STILL young. [01:36] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [01:36] vldmr: yeps [01:36] you don't know how young, so you could be wrong ;) [01:36] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:36] BP{k}: are you using 13.1 ? [01:36] well usually when it does that it generally says something like 33x? [01:36] man back in the day when I was a youngin', I had an intel i7 [01:36] lulz [01:36] lol. [01:36] no z80's or 6502's? [01:37] vldmr: yes, slackware64-13.1 [01:37] Action: turk182 banged rocks containing metals together to make sparks and sometimes used manual calculators [01:37] my old computer had a 486 in it [01:37] No, I'm not wrong. When I was young, computers were things occupying a whole floor in an office building, or in sci-fi movies. [01:37] i loved teh z80 [01:37] winows 3.1 and MSDOS6 says its a 386 [01:37] programming with ASM [01:37] urgh !! [01:38] but anyways, the way it says 66Mhz on that BIOS is the same way it says 2.93Ghz on my desktop so I just figured. [01:38] I dont know that to do [01:39] yes, but what you are reading fatalnix is the front side bus speed, not the cpu speed [01:39] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:41] yeah, waiting in line for hours with your punch cards in hand so that you can eventually run your program was a bit annoying [01:41] BP{k}: was there much a followin' with the TRS80 equiv in the UK? the Dragon 32/64? [01:42] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-5-55.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:42] MLanden: no idea. (Remeber: I only have lived in the UK since 2002) [01:43] vldmr (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:43] BP{k}: ok..sorry 'bout that....just remember readin' on the 8bit equivs in the US and in the UK [01:44] jennifur (~jennifur@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:46] vldmr (~vldmr@187.64.35.65) joined ##slackware. [01:46] BP{k}: can you pastebin it to me: lshal|grep info.product >>lshal.info.product [01:47] ?? [01:48] does anyone have a private pastebin? [01:48] if so, do you still have a copy of the code? [01:49] oobe (proxy@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:50] BP{k}: whats your chipset ? [01:50] http://pastebin.com/SRsuTD8Z [01:51] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:52] vldmr: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/75xE1L19.html [01:55] same chipset [01:55] X:( [01:55] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:55] uva (as@111-240-212-201.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:00] Progress quest is the best game evar. [02:00] I will play it all day long [02:00] and own everyone at it [02:01] sbsdoze (~spookywo0@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) joined ##slackware. [02:01] uva (as@111-240-213-99.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:04] you're just trolling for someone to play [02:05] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:06] trix`G (~trix@CPE-24-209-133-6.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:07] vldmr: 1) don't pm without asking please 2) I don't understand what I asume is portugese. [02:08] aH... oK [02:08] thanks [02:08] X:) [02:08] your hardware is similar [02:08] vldmr (~vldmr@187.64.35.65) left irc: Changing host [02:08] vldmr (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [02:10] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:10] atof (~chatzilla@124.106.197.68) joined ##slackware. [02:11] here slack open but always with crashes before... then in bettween 2 and 4 times its open with success [02:11] strange a lot [02:12] jhw (~jhw@p57982864.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] vldmr: have you checked there aren't any problems with the memory or something? [02:17] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:17] vldmr, one thing you might try is using a different kernel [02:18] atof (~chatzilla@124.106.197.68) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:18] vldmr, for instance, using the install cd to boot a more basic kernel [02:19] Skywise, there is only one kernel on the install media.... just two flavours, smp and non-smp [02:20] if you can reliably boot a simpler kernel, you might just need to compile a custom kernel [02:20] slava_dp, i thought there were 4 [02:20] you mean the non-smp one? [02:20] but i might be remembering from previous versions [02:21] there is one generic kernel, which needs an initrd and is not on the boot media.... two flavours too, smp + non-smp [02:21] ok [02:21] and if it does shutdown during compiling the kernel...might be thermal issues [02:21] Skywise: yes... a diferent kernel is a good idea... Im thinking in use 2.6.34 [02:22] I tried to use huge and generic... but the problem is the same [02:23] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:26] vldmr: 32bit then I guess? [02:29] atof (~atof@124.106.197.68) joined ##slackware. [02:30] atof (atof@124.106.197.68) left ##slackware. [02:31] nvision (~nvision@g224251067.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [02:34] BP{k}: can be !! [02:34] Im thinking in use kernel from slackware 13.0 [02:36] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [02:37] tsooi (~scruffy@ti0125a380-0340.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [02:38] 64 bits [02:39] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:42] htop [02:42] sorry, wrong windows [02:43] all good...it happens..;) [02:44] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [02:45] sleekslack (~umislack@58.64.119.64) joined ##slackware. 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[03:06] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/bagira' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:06] MLanden: No. I haven't installed GNOME packages either [03:06] I still have 861M free, but it's worrying me :P [03:06] tommys_ (~sixx@212.183.140.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:06] i reccomend you to enlarge your root partition (if you can) [03:07] sanguenet (~player@189.26.128.85.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:07] i usually make root 10G and i have 2G to spare [03:07] sanguenet (player@189.26.128.85.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware. [03:07] rirombo: sorry...didn't mean that in a sarcastic manner [03:07] that is with home and var on separate disks [03:07] I wouldn't do that much, since my entire HD is 16G [03:08] MLanden: I didn't take it that way at all, I just remember GNOME being a beast as well :) [03:08] rirombo: all cool...netbook install? [03:09] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*cpunches@72.95.96.* expired. [03:09] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*cpunches@72.95.96.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:09] Ansa89: I think I'll take your advice and play with parted tomorrow. I have a 12G /home partition I can shrink :D [03:09] rirombo, good idea [03:09] well, gnome isn't part of slackware anymore..... [03:09] MLanden: Yup :) Got tired of OS X dialog boxes not fitting on the 1024x600 screen :P [03:09] gnome is evil [03:09] Heh. Wasn't aware of that :D [03:10] atof (~atof@124.106.197.68) joined ##slackware. [03:10] rirombo, if you are on netbook you might installa xfce or icewm as WM [03:11] s/installa/install/ [03:11] lxde's nice option as well [03:11] Thanks for the tip, I'll keep it in mind. For the time being, I'm very happy with ratpoison :D [03:12] grazymax (~grazymax@host100-1-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:12] that's good as well...;) [03:13] SYN4PS3 (~synapse@188.158.98.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:13] I'm hoping its handling of transient windows has improved in the past 5 years, otherwise will have to migrate to ion or some such once I install Chrome and other GUI applications [03:14] atof (atof@124.106.197.68) left ##slackware. [03:14] rirombo: a def soul search....good luck...:) [03:15] Thanks :) [03:15] TIme for bed now! [03:15] good night! [03:15] rirombo (~rirombo@h11.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:15] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [03:15] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.46.252) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [03:15] lol....here it's time for breakfast [03:16] seen folks toying with pekwm on their netbooks...some nice features [03:18] Ansa89: hear ya....hot July for ya?....been 'bout 40c here in east US [03:19] MLanden, really hot also here in north IT :-) [03:19] about 38-39C [03:20] far from the mountains? [03:21] yep [03:21] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.75.231) joined ##slackware. [03:22] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:22] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] what would i match on if i wanted to write a udev rule to apply to all usb flash drives? [03:25] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:28] sleekslack (~umislack@58.64.119.64) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:28] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:31] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:34] Morn [03:34] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [03:34] Mornin', Zordrak [03:35] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] atof (~atof@124.106.197.68) joined ##slackware. [03:38] atof (atof@124.106.197.68) left ##slackware. [03:38] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:40] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:40] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [03:41] I am Q. [03:41] I am @ [03:41] But we're all borg, too. [03:42] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-127-17-34.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:42] can I be © [03:42] No. [03:42] be µ [03:43] i dunwanna [03:43] lol [03:43] You'll be borg, and like it. [03:44] I shall be the ? and the ?. [03:44] grazymax (~grazymax@host100-1-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:44] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Client Quit [03:48] resistence is futile, you will be slackimilated [03:49] Pick a word that's pronouncible. [03:49] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:51] can I haz gtk or qt4? [03:51] how about aslackimated [03:51] sbsdoze (~spookywo0@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: [03:51] asslimated? [03:52] cheezeburger installs better [03:52] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [03:52] nom, nom, nom and you're done [03:53] if you begin compiling qt4 now it might be done by february 2012 [03:53] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:53] Wackslare. [03:54] what if you compile it backwards so you can be finished now and start in feb 2012 [03:55] did the PIO dude get working wireless in teh end? [03:55] start assimilating quad cores...:D [03:55] i just set up a cluster of quad cores [03:56] its spiffy compiling, but it goes right back to normalcy when serving web pages [03:56] when i grow up and get rich i might buy a quad core [03:56] So, 8 cores all together? [03:56] to start [03:56] Called it. [03:56] wanna make sure it works before expanding it [03:57] What you gonna do with it? [03:57] test drones...;) [03:57] the 2nd node isn't even active right now, when we're finished developing the first node, then we'd copy it over [03:57] Busnach use. [03:57] when they work then we'll deploy it to production [03:57] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [03:58] I'd like to hardness dist-comps for some video transcoding. [03:58] i don't think cpu cycles are really our bottle neck anyway [03:58] hardness* [03:59] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [03:59] i think with a propery caching, proxy, apache and mysql servers, common webpages should blaze out and only novel requests would take cycles [03:59] What web backend(s)? [03:59] but theres no real equation [04:00] Pea Aich Pee? [04:00] thats constantly changing [04:00] Hooray for slackbuild.org [04:00] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Client Quit [04:00] CathyInBlue, yeah I foudn the prboom slackbuild too. [04:00] yeah and python [04:00] Skywise, cool stuff. [04:00] cms like modx and zope [04:00] CathyInBlue, slackbuildS.org [04:00] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [04:00] Singular works fine. [04:01] and then we use opensource apps like plugins [04:01] I just installed flite 1.3 from it. [04:01] yah, it was done so that mistakes like yours still reach the site. [04:01] slava: :P [04:01] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:02] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Client Quit [04:03] CathyInBlue, I like that program too, but I don't think it supports alsa. [04:03] So I can't make my brother's computer talk to him unless he has nothing playing. [04:03] It just worked fine for me, but it doesn't do what I need it to. [04:04] There's the "full version" festival, don't think there;s a slackbuild though. [04:04] one of the hardest choices i have to make is if i'm gonna write something from scratch, kludge and open source project to what i need, or kludge a project into what open source offers [04:04] Bugger. [04:05] theres always someone else who's tried to do what you want to do [04:05] I like how you can just pipe stuff to flite. [04:05] your mission is to find their post asking for help [04:05] I'd be orgasmic right now, if orca and evince played nice so I could have it read PDFs alloud. [04:06] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [04:06] you as a woman, shouldn't use such word around guys on the internet [04:06] And yeah. I played with Festival over 6 years ago. It rocked then, but was a monster to install. [04:07] half are laughing and the rest are now surfing for accompanyment [04:07] Skywise: I'm a lesbian. It amuses me to see you in such a tizzy. [04:07] Boosh. [04:07] oh no, i'm cool i have sex [04:07] i'm just saying, its can have unintended consequences [04:08] Kind of like Democrat legislation. [04:08] and no need to declare you allegance before manovers [04:08] CathyInBlue, Yes we can! [04:08] no, thats all done on purpose [04:08] Yes, we can bankrupt the most powerful nation on Earth! [04:08] At least democrats are actually making an effort. [04:08] theres nothing as finely worded and constructed as lobbiest powered legislation [04:08] Bush bankrupted us, sorryt. [04:08] mrcarrot (~lasse@adsl-46.178-Static.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [04:09] yeah, those pesky unpaid wars and unfinanced tax cuts [04:09] I love the smell of denial in the morning. It smells like... Tea. [04:09] teabaggers crack me up [04:10] It's just a media phenominal, same 1/6th of america that's really far right, and mis informed. [04:10] as if we didn't already know what white old republicans wanted [04:10] they want a revolution back to 2008 [04:11] 1980. Get your dates straight. [04:11] lol [04:11] Reagan was a chump. [04:11] Ehh. Meh. [04:11] yeah, ever hear of an s&l crisis [04:11] Savings and Lone Star? [04:11] star wars should almost be done by now right? [04:12] fuck you both...both parties are bought and sold by the corporate interests [04:12] yeah, its the same thing as the lastest real estate bubble, only it was banks instead of the poor buying junk they couldn't afford [04:12] not equally nor the same [04:12] Driven by Fannie and Freddie with Chris Dodd at the helm. [04:12] nyRednek, yeah, but the democratic party attract those members who still have somewhat of a soul. [04:13] byteframe: you delude yourself [04:13] you cannot say the world would be the same after 8 years of gore as it was with bush [04:13] nyRednek, nah man. I read. [04:13] ##slackware-offtopic, for all your ice cream needs [04:13] (that's our catch line, right?) [04:13] you woke up to post that? [04:13] sure [04:13] Good policy. [04:13] Note that the economic recession in the 80s was over by this point without crippling tax and borrow and spend Democratic policies. [04:14] byteframe: souls don't exist in lawyers or politicians [04:14] what point was that [04:14] freakin' compiz [04:14] Action: slava_dp forwards everyone to ##politics [04:14] byteframe: the ones on the supposed left just are better at faking that existence [04:14] eXgame (~eXgame@88.118.26.21) joined ##slackware. [04:14] i have thunderbird open somewhere. i know its running. [04:14] i just dont know where. [04:14] cause by my recoking the recession of the 80s didn't end until the gulf war in 91 [04:14] check under the couch [04:14] `killall thunderbird` [04:14] check on your computer, too [04:14] nyRednek, cynicism is the real weapon harnessed by the globalist lizard men. don't play into their game. [04:14] lizards suck man [04:14] Jizzai (~jizzai@ppp118-208-135-103.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:15] If their are lizard men. Eric Cantor is their leader. [04:15] byteframe: lizard men? are we going alien comspiracy theory now? [04:15] even cockney-speaking lizards? [04:15] oh, cool, it was spam. neat. [04:15] waddayaknow [04:15] byteframe, you sure its not james carville? [04:15] Skywise, definatly another prime suspect. [04:15] One other glarding example I forget. [04:16] steven colbert called carville a louisiana bayou cobra [04:16] so he knows [04:16] he was the clinton 92 campaign staffer. [04:16] Action: adrien tried to mention ##slackware-offtopic again but cries as noone listens to him [04:16] a* [04:16] evil lizard men? isn't that a scientology thing? [04:17] ##politics [04:17] no, we listened and then we continued with what we were doing [04:17] turk182, I think the lizard people who rule earth is a seperate thing. [04:17] But I;m sure scientology has lizards, as well. [04:17] i already don't have enough room for the channels i have open [04:17] they should make paranoid cults into tutorials-by-example, like LFS for evil occults. [04:17] grazymax (~grazymax@host173-132-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:18] Is there a FOSS app called lizardmen? [04:18] Action: adrien buys Skywise 30 more bytes [04:18] "Mike Smith to Jim Jones in 20 days, or double your money back!" [04:18] scientology is an experiment to see if something batshit crazy becomes normal after a while [04:18] did wonders for tom cruise [04:19] Skywise: kind of redundant. look at catholicism. [04:19] right [04:19] that was the model [04:19] Skywise: That was Mormonism. [04:19] Skywise: scientology was a sci-fi writer's attempt at making a function [04:19] Islam is the new religion. [04:19] s/function/fortune/ [04:19] Rather, it's coming back. [04:19] mormanism was just a bad trip [04:19] Islam, the other white meat. [04:19] Skywise: and it was a success...that's the only religion with its own navy [04:19] only to borderline radicals who should be profiled by voluntary questionaires that are seemingly innocent. [04:20] re: islam coming back [04:20] Don't follow. [04:20] nyRednek, yeah i'm still not clear why a religon needs a navy, in the same way capt kirk was confused as to why a god would need a star ship [04:20] Okay. I've wasted some more time. Installed another FOSS app from SBo. Drank a beer. Maybe now I can get to sleep. [04:21] CathyInBlue, Stimulus spending!!!! [04:21] byteframe: the scientologists have a navy [04:21] i think religon and sexuality should be private and never discussed in public [04:21] nyRednek, in secondlife? [04:21] multiple trillions in deficit spending! [04:21] byteframe: no, in this life [04:21] Skywise: totally defeats the purpose of both [04:22] guess how many billions a month we're spending on the wars [04:22] Skywise, good policy when discussing one's own, seems to happen about others' on irc. [04:22] ##politics [04:22] [All Hail Mighty Zordrak] [04:22] if we're to discuss this further, i'm in -offtopic [04:22] i just think its a matter that only needs to be settled between the people involved at the time involved [04:22] did someone have a slackware question? [04:22] hard telling [04:23] and that goes for both issues [04:23] Skywise, politic matters never settle [04:23] when you guys finish talking about it in -offtopic, just give me the checksum [04:24] the checksum is that people are not rational, and desperately want to believe that they are, while maintaining gigantic myths, about themselves and the universe. [04:24] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [04:24] well i mean settled as in the parties involved agree to sex each other and thats all that matter [04:24] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-127-17-34.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:24] sftp_ (~sftp@79.174.35.11) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:24] who they are, where they came from and who they did before shouldn't matter, unless theres disease [04:24] yo stfu [04:24] and then you gotta call everyone and have them tested [04:25] you were given 10 minutes grace period and asked 10 times to go to offtopic, at this point you're a troll! [04:25] is that the rule now? [04:25] i'd say s/rule/common courtesy/ [04:25] i'm pretty sure thats not what trolling is [04:25] i think you made it up [04:26] obnauticus (~obnauticu@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [04:26] always use protection [04:26] i think its fine to talk about whatever as long as it doesn't interfere with an ongoing conversation [04:27] given that moments before you'd suspect everyone was asleep, having something to talk about is rather the poing of being on chat isn't it [04:27] cause i'm not ready to become a monk or anything [04:29] Skywise, are you drunk or what? [04:29] [Fishy] [04:29] am i stuttering? [04:30] no, you've got word diarrhoea [04:30] i can type [04:30] If people start to feel offended by the political talk, *then* it is time to move to -offtopic channel. Not before, and not as long as it does not interfere with this channel's support function [04:31] that doesn't really seem to be the issue [04:31] no ever said they were uncomfortable [04:31] Skywise, chill friend. [04:31] it just seems sometimes people wanna call shots [04:32] whats wrong with using ignore for something you don't wanna see [04:33] i'm sure everyone who wants to go to -offtopic does go [04:33] On the road you should not force someone to slow down swerve or stop. On teh internetz you should not force someone to ignore you. [04:33] eh? [04:34] its someone's intolerace that would force them to need to ignore someone, they're the ones with the issue, not the person expressing themselves [04:35] 5 bucks ^. [04:35] i can even ignore someone's whos words i see [04:35] some of you just seem rather fragile [04:35] I know it's d-mouth, because he's ignoring me. [04:35] Skywise: when someone requests something to go to offtopic, don't be a dick, just move it over...it's easy and conveient [04:36] i feel the converse [04:36] if you don't like a conversation you're not involved in, ignore it [04:36] Yep, fancy douche words. [04:36] Skywise: actually.. that would be obverse.. not converse. [04:36] byteframe: btw, i'm not the person formerly known as TR [04:36] too many people feel entitled to impose themselves on others for not conforming to their wishes [04:36] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) left irc: Quit: Usar Linux amacia o cabelo [04:36] nyRednek, I'm unfamiliar. [04:36] i always mix those terms [04:37] byteframe: twinreverb and dartmouth are the same person [04:37] etc, etc. [04:37] You have the direction of the imposition backwards. Most people here come here to primarily discuss slackware. When you insist on speaking of other things even when several politely ask it to move to *-offtopic, then it is you who is imposing you will on others. [04:37] I think he's actually a computer program. [04:37] i suppose i use them colloquially [04:38] mancha: i am more than willing to go -offtopic...i say more there than i do here anyways [04:38] so everything on here must meet the approval of everyone on here? [04:38] i never go to -offtopic [04:38] byteframe: twinreverb and dartmouth are the same person .... I hope you were joking. Because they are not. [04:38] i'm really not interested [04:39] frankly, i'm not even that fascinated [04:39] i'm just trying to have a discussion [04:39] alienBOB: he did change his name.. ottomh i cant be sure what to [04:39] Skywise: approval is not needed. But politics tend to offend people moer easily than other topics [04:39] Skywise, make ##slack-offtopic your home. [04:39] It's like a little crack den. JK. [04:39] Zordrak: dartmouth == cpunches == bagira [04:39] byteframe: ##slackware-offtopic [04:39] so we should censure ourselves over what people may be offended by? [04:40] nyRednek, thank you. [04:40] i was invited by bagira to a 'happy' channel today. [04:40] s/dartmouth/delahunt [04:40] Skywise: that is pretty much the official legal position in this country [04:40] Skywise: no, I will kick you out if other people complain [04:40] nyRednek: that is an untrue statement [04:40] alienBob, i'm just not sympathetic to people being so intoleratant [04:40] they have other recourses then to try to dictate to me [04:40] Actually it is correct [04:41] Action: byteframe wonders if their is a reaction in the brains that responds to attention. [04:41] alienBOB: actually there's probably one more nickname to add to your equation but he's quiet so no big deal (I'm curious however) [04:41] alienBOB: i meant that i said Dartmouth when i meant delahunt, and yes, delahunt *was* TR [04:41] troy (~troy@conference/akademy/x-ufguazsoccfauhvq) joined ##slackware. [04:41] i just cringe at this idea that everything before me must meet my approval attitude [04:41] adrien: I am sure he hides under anotehr name [04:42] nyRednek: yes you corrected yourself [04:42] again, missing the point, this isn't about political intolerance. Just like it would be wrong to discuss Pyton scriping in ##Shakespearean-poetry (notice the double-hash - it is not the official channel), ##slackware's primary role is not to provide a forum for political discussion. [04:42] i could even see objection if were using eptithets or inflammatory language [04:42] you keep missing the point...intentionally i wonder? [04:42] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:42] but this has simply started again from just some people chating in the middle of the morning about idle topics [04:42] Skywise: politics is very much offtopic. Hell, I get offended by the redneck talk [04:42] its appropos of nothing [04:43] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-39-165.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:43] alienBOB: what do you mean by redneck talk? [04:43] thats his nickname [04:43] alienBOB: hey, so since there's no slackware developer people at Akademy, I'm going to have to bug you and pat directly about a few branding things that are changing :) [04:43] Personally I think there's nothing wrong with a little of anything.. but when it's gone so far that the whole topic of conversation is whether or not to continue the conversation.. it's gone *too* far [04:44] alienBOB: well - have already changed, just not really well communicated to the distros [04:44] for what means...would thou parse Elementree...be gone...cruel urllib.urlopen..sorry,couldn't resist [04:44] who's standard decides what too far is [04:44] cause i suspect we are not borg [04:44] uh... that one ^^^ [04:44] then why are you speaking for him [04:44] Borg cubes and IRC have rules. Obey. [04:45] i agree, i am certainly not quick to suggest offtopic, but when i notice more and more people quietly saying things like "offtopic please" and the like, then it's clearly gone too far <-- my initial point [04:45] no, i'm questionting the self appointed chaperones [04:45] Skywise: since you lack the ability to distinguish one person from another.. i shall restate [04:45] i say if thine eye offends thee, pluck it out [04:45] 09:41:25 < Zordrak> Personally I think there's nothing wrong with a little of anything.. but when it's gone so far that the whole topic of conversation is whether or not to continue the conversation.. it's gone *too* far [04:45] troy: I read some stuff about branding last year, but if you have actual news, please feed it to me and Pat [04:46] but those in the conversation would obviously disagree with you [04:46] alienBOB: are you one of the developers of slackware? [04:46] Skywise: this is the moment to stop [04:46] mrcarrot: I am [04:46] anyhow, that satisfied my quota of drama for the week :) [04:46] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [04:46] then i can probably report a bug straight to you... [04:47] You can, but it does not mean I am going to solve it [04:47] i know :) [04:47] Depends on the kind of bug [04:48] the bug is: it is impossible to get anything else than us keyboard unless you hand edit xorg.conf... nope, xorgsetup is not doing it right [04:48] i have to add these lines: [04:49] This is explained in CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT mrcarrot [04:49] Option "AutoAddDevices" "False" [04:49] Option "AllowEmptyInput" "False" [04:49] . [04:49] Option "XkbLayout" "fi" [04:49] Option "XkbModel" "pc105" [04:50] yes, but still i think xorgsetup should produce a good xorg.conf [04:50] mrcarrot: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/08/30/slackware-13-0-xorg-hal/ [04:50] mrcarrot: but X listens to hald before xorg.conf [04:50] mrcarrot: now stop pasting [04:50] yes, i have been stopping to paste [04:51] mrcarrot: this is not a bug it is the way it is designed. You need to learn how to use the design properly. [04:51] anyway, what i meant is that i can as well run X --configure instead of xorgsetup [04:51] as i anyway end up editing the configuration file [04:52] mrcarrot: Read the link I posted. [04:52] Read it now. [04:52] Dont do anything else. Dont say a word. Just read it. [04:52] it is opening really slowly... i am still waiting for it to open [04:52] You have to see xorgsetup asa tool to create the basis for a xorg.conf, which you can and should edit further. Essentially, you do not even _need_ a xorg.conf in a lot of cases [04:53] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:53] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:55] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-30.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:55] alienBOB: i have now been reading the blog post that Zordrak gave. my opinion is then that the initial selection of keyboard layout, during the install, should also copy that hal file and set it up for X [04:55] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:55] otherwise slackware is becoming more difficult to use than before [04:56] mrcarrot, keyboard layout is not the same as input language. these are different. [04:56] times change and in slackware they're documented [04:56] or am I confused a little [04:57] the beauty of slackware is the opportunity to do it yourself [04:57] i know.. and i am able as i got the keyboard to work as i wanted [04:58] To be brutally fair, he has a point. Keyboard layout is reasonably important, and the ability to set it for X during install would not be a bad thing. [04:58] but even before hal, i could use xorgconf or xorgsetup to set my keyboard without having to remember syntax... now i even need to remember what file to copy where unless i google for each installation [04:59] Well mrcarrot is right of course that HAL configuration adds a layer of complexity to Slackware's configuration [04:59] yeah, and i always have an issue when switching terminals on my kvm [04:59] mrcarrot: You still have to remember the cammands.. or the location of the xorg.conf file. That argument doesnt hold.. You just have to remember somethingf different [04:59] the scroll wheel always stops working when i switch away and come back [04:59] Future versions of X have abandoned HAL so we may see this get better in the end [04:59] mrcarrot: HOWEVER i agree that setting it during install would be "good" [04:59] cp -av /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi [04:59] that is a lot longer line [05:00] ohnoez!! [05:00] :) [05:00] anyway [05:00] i still like slackware [05:00] i have to then switch to a text console and then back to x to get the mouse re-initialized [05:00] so do not feel hurted [05:00] you can do it [05:00] [05:02] Action: mrcarrot is silently wishing that ltsp would be included in slackware... then mrcarrot could us slackware in several schools [05:03] ltsp is not a trivial package [05:03] not like ./configure && make [05:04] what someone isn't going to chime in about packages? [05:04] Indeed. I had a plan to add a ltsp layer for Slackware, but it would take too much of my time [05:04] sure, its very trivial, your just not doing it right ;) [05:04] that better Skywise? [05:04] you were late [05:05] The ltsp project is too ubuntu-ized to feel comfortable developing Slackware support for it [05:05] i know... if it would be trivial, i would make a package myself [05:05] why not fork a slaky version [05:05] but it requires a lot of efforts [05:05] It's more than just packages [05:05] for hosting a thin x client? [05:06] Skywise: When was your last meaningful input? I don't remember. [05:06] what else does it do? [05:06] They built configurator scripts around it which will have to be adapted a lot for Slackware [05:06] are we supposed to keep track? [05:06] Skywise: why to fork slackware when the development crew is doing really well [05:06] i didn't know this was a contest [05:06] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [05:06] ok because if its going to ubuntu, there will be fundamental issues that will break support one way or another [05:06] an example of such an issue is pam support [05:07] PAM does not play a role in supporting ltsp for Slacwkare [05:07] Zordrak, the next time you feel the need to tell me of something you disapprove of, don't [05:07] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:07] i haven't participated in the slackware project [05:08] i was talking about the differences between slackware and ubuntu [05:08] and that something geared for unbuntu would naturally want to take advantage of those facilities [05:08] Skywise: The next time you feel the need to end a sentence fragment with a preposition; don't. [05:08] and such a move would make it harder to support in slackware that doesn't have pam support [05:08] why [05:09] but i'm sure theres a whole slew of other differences [05:11] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:11] i have almost always been updating when a new version of slackware is released but out of curiousity, for how long time after a release do we get security updates for the previous release? [05:11] mrcarrot, what about ltsp 5, has that been an issue with slackware? [05:12] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [05:12] Skywise: a lot of work as it is not providing anything for the thinclients to boot... [05:12] just some scripts [05:13] and ldm [05:13] yeah, and it uses ssh [05:13] 4.x is not impossibe to get to work but it is too old [05:13] i think it would be simpler on any distro [05:15] http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=IntegratingLtsp [05:15] has that been useful? [05:18] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:18] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [05:18] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [05:19] its out of date, but so is that whole site [05:19] apparently it hasn't been updated since slack 11 [05:21] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:25] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [05:25] anyone know of a way to send keyboard events happening on one computer to another computer? [05:26] like a kvm? [05:26] maybe screen? [05:27] I'm using tmux/screen to get something like that but it'll only work for programs running inside tmux/screen [05:27] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:28] bacal (~default@cpe-66-91-187-60.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:28] there was some network kvm project, can't recall the name. [05:28] the reason is that I have a keyboard with a PS/2 connector and my laptop doesn't have such a connector, but my desktop does [05:28] I remember one but it works in X afaik [05:28] get a ps/2 to usb gender changer [05:28] synergy [05:28] shoulda been one on the box the keyboard came in [05:29] synergy it was... right [05:29] Skywise: yeah, I will but I need to go buy it, software will be faster [05:29] if you stand outside my balcony i could throw you a box [05:29] I had synergy in mind too but it requires X =/ [05:29] Skywise: unless you live in Paris... [05:30] adrien, do you have a best buy or similar near you [05:30] oh [05:30] thats different [05:30] bacal (~default@cpe-66-91-187-60.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [05:31] in the states, you can sometimes get the tech support stores, like geek squad to give you tidbits or adapters since they have plenty and they're mostly obsolete now [05:31] it's ok, we have one of the biggest area/concentration of computer shop not too far away [05:32] or if you know anyone in tech support for a big company [05:32] they prolly have boxes of them, at one time every keyboard came with one [05:33] i even have ps/2 to at adapters and don't ask me why [05:35] then again, a keyboard costs about about as much as a gender changer [05:36] depends on the keyboard :P [05:36] its a ms natural style [05:36] the shipping is usually as much as the keyboard [05:37] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.242) left irc: Quit: Later,folks [05:37] that one weighs 7lbs =) [05:38] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:38] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:39] maybe you can swap your keyboard with someone else [05:40] i think my mouse came with a usb/ps2 adaptor too [05:42] its funny how hard it is to find a simple 2 button mouse with a scroll wheel [05:44] actually, directly using the /dev/input/event* entries should work [05:44] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:45] I can probably do something with nc [05:46] but think about what you're trying to actually do to yourself [05:46] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-139-249.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [05:47] i think it could get confusing where you're trying to type and where you're looking [05:47] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [05:47] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [05:47] gniks (~sking@24.238.12.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:49] SpartanV1 (~spartan@adsl-232-81-224.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[05:59] slava_dp: I can't write to it if I sudo, if I 'su', I can however [06:00] not sure why, I have the same things with /proc/acpi/sleep (everybody put their computers to sleep by writing 3 to that file, right? ;p ) [06:00] and I'm not sure I have that behaviour on both computers [06:00] ehm... no? :) [06:00] I use pm-suspend [06:01] 'su -' followed by 'up' works nicely here ;-) [06:01] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:03] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [06:04] adrien: i have been writing to /proc files by sudo [06:04] what is 'up' ? :) [06:05] mrcarrot: it's not for all files, only some [06:05] slava_dp: up key [06:05] ;-) [06:05] is that your password or what? [06:05] adrien: i have been doing it to exaclty that sleep file [06:06] i reconfigured my powerbutton to write 3 there [06:06] and i did it by sudo [06:06] mrcarrot: hmmm, as I said, I'm not sure it happens on both computers so it might well be a "problem" here [06:06] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [06:08] Action: mrcarrot wonders why every linux distro ships screen instead of tmux [06:08] tmux is much more recent [06:09] and it was probably pretty young [06:09] but right now, with release 1.2, I just find it awesome =) [06:09] i found it some time ago... and if it would have been shipped with slackware i would have found it earlier [06:09] it is really good [06:10] it's only a few years old and with the previous releases, I had some things I'd call "bugs", nothing big but still annoying [06:10] i like to be able to have several "terminals" visible near each other from a remote computer [06:10] "panes" as it is called in tmux [06:11] screen has vertical split but only as a patch [06:11] I use screen cause it's standard and it does all I want. [06:12] I found tmux to work better than screen and be more resistant to crappy inputs that usually destroy terminals [06:12] Pity that the hardstatus bar is not standard, I have to copy my screenrc over. [06:12] all those computers i need to access i administrator myself... thus i can use tmux [06:13] slava_dp: hardstatus bar? [06:13] is it like that status bar of tmux? showing all the screens [06:14] yes, the line that shows what consoles you have open inside screen [06:14] dbpatankar (~digvijay@220.227.207.12) joined ##slackware. [06:14] set -g prefix C-a [06:14] bind-key C-a last-window [06:14] those two lines i always add to .tmux.conf [06:15] slava_dp: in tmux... it is :P [06:15] c-b is a bit too difficult to squeeze [06:15] c-a is easier [06:16] yeah, especially on azerty keyboards =) [06:16] but you get used to C-b too quite easily [06:20] maxxx (~maxxx@dxb-b125931.alshamil.net.ae) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:20] troy (~troy@conference/akademy/x-ufguazsoccfauhvq) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:25] mrcarrot (lasse@adsl-46.178-Static.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [06:28] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. 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[06:45] even if I manually set ip after that, network is still unreachable [06:45] rainyrhy (~rainyrhy@119.234.0.15) left irc: Quit: used jmIrc [06:45] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:46] gonna try now the inet1 restart solution, thanks guys [06:46] pete` (1000@009.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:46] vidarr (vidar@93.86.135.8) left ##slackware. [06:49] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [06:54] pete` (1000@009.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:54] asamoah (~caio@190.244.33.249) joined ##slackware. [06:55] gniks (~sking@24.238.12.206) joined ##slackware. [07:00] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:00] vidarr (~vidar@77.46.246.236) joined ##slackware. [07:01] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) got netsplit. [07:01] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) got netsplit. 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[08:10] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:10] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [08:11] hrmmm [08:11] why would you want to archive it? [08:11] the question is not understoodover here [08:11] jrodger: fetchmail can do that [08:12] i guess that is what you want [08:12] If anything, I'd archive my email TO Gmail [08:12] which you can! actually [08:13] just topical information, subjects that couldcome in handy later, [08:13] i like the FF addon that allows you to upload normal files to gmails huge space [08:13] I mean to keep my mail locally in case I do not want log on to get it. [08:14] many imap clients allow you to sync your mail locally [08:14] stinky: I actually do recipient_bcc_maps on my email server TO my gmail account. [08:14] as an archive solution for my personal account [08:14] nice [08:14] thunderbird does, for example. [08:15] okay, I'll have a look at it, thanks [08:16] nhudson (~Name@12.131.68.50) joined ##slackware. [08:16] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:16] Aidar-Nagato (admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [08:18] slackware.osuosl.org died [08:18] RIP [08:20] slava_dp: works here [08:23] slobad23 (~slobad23@213-152-36-25.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:24] When I login, I have changed /etc/inittab to go to "id:5:initdefault" but how do I change the value of "initdefault" to another login manager? [08:24] that's in the slackbook [08:25] you edit something like rc.4 (not 5) and switch it [08:25] I know I can change it to xdm or gdm etc.. but I wondered where initdefault got it's value from [08:25] ah [08:25] slobad23: 1. You want level 4 NOT level 5. This is not Red Hat. [08:25] slobad23: if you want X to start, use runlevel 4, not 5 [08:25] has anyone had any luck getting celestia to compile under slackware 13.1? [08:25] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:25] it's commented right there in /etc/inittab [08:26] betageek, Thanks for the info [08:27] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [08:28] welcome [08:28] sleekslack (~umislack@58.64.119.67) joined ##slackware. [08:28] KaMii: what's the issue? [08:28] first i got a libpng 1.4 error, but I found a patch for that, now it looks like i am getting a gcc 4.4 error [08:29] cant find a patch [08:29] heh [08:29] bother upstream :P [08:29] nhudson (~Name@12.131.68.50) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:29] ha, well the repositories have a package for celestia on 13.0 but nothing yet for 13.1 [08:31] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [08:31] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [08:33] slobad23 (~slobad23@213-152-36-25.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:33] yep, didn't have time yet [08:33] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [08:33] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:33] KaMii: gentoo has a patch. celestia-1.5.1-gcc44.patch [08:34] im not using 1.5.1 [08:34] 1.6.0 [08:34] JimLesta (~JimLesta@196.201.218.219) joined ##slackware. [08:34] so what? [08:34] weird they are patching 1.5.1 [08:34] they are not [08:34] it just means the patch was initially created for 1.5.1 [08:34] where did you find that link? [08:35] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) joined ##slackware. [08:35] http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sci-astronomy/celestia [08:35] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:35] ok thanks [08:35] uhm, wait, that's the wrong one [08:36] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [08:36] hm, they merged the gcc 4.4 and 4.5 changes [08:37] KaMii: http://www.liwjatan.at/files/celestia-1.5.1-gcc44.patch [08:37] gniks (~sking@24.238.12.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:39] what's celestia? [08:39] 3d astronomy app [08:39] cool [08:40] failed [08:40] what failed? [08:40] the patch [08:40] no idea then [08:41] didnt think it would work [08:41] failed in application or failed in objective? [08:41] i found a 1.6.0 patch for gcc 4.5 but i only have gcc 4.4.4 [08:42] failed in objective [08:42] patch works fine here. YDIW [08:42] what p switch did you use? [08:42] 1 [08:42] so you successfully patch yet the compile still bonks? [08:42] this is what i mean by failing in its objective [08:42] maybe the patch is being affected because I first already applied the libpng patch [08:43] stu_ (~stuart@175.137.171.92) joined ##slackware. [08:43] hi all [08:44] oh, i see why its failing [08:44] KaMii: the patch I have for libpng touches totally different files (and works fine as well) [08:44] its looking for version 1.5.1 [08:45] Oo...come again? [08:45] asarch (~asarch@189.188.150.69) joined ##slackware. [08:46] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:46] we must have different patches then [08:46] sounds like a -p0 attempt outside the source tree [08:47] so before i make this app here, what will it do? render the big dipper and the skinny dipper on my screen? [08:48] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:49] mancha: http://www.shatters.net/celestia/gallery.html [08:49] vldmr (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:49] ok, we had different patches [08:50] trying to configure now [08:51] cool. but it is more than a slideshow of nasa pics, right? [08:52] no, you get a real 3d space you can navigate in [08:52] the planets and other objects are models, and you can install extensions to get other "uncommon" stuff [08:52] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:52] oh, cool. ok i just started a compile, if i get a gcc error i'll make a patch, trying 1.6.0 now [08:52] JimLesta (JimLesta@196.201.218.219) left ##slackware. [08:53] crap, i need gtkglext [08:53] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:54] oh wait, i don't. [08:54] ya its a really nice program that helps you to learn about the galaxy [08:54] but i have been unable to get it back since 13.1, looks like i got past the first two hurdles, hope nothing else comes along [08:55] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:55] well i have a very new gcc, if it errors out i'll make a patch and share it [08:55] success [08:56] aha, i have an EOF not declared error, this is a header issue [08:58] ok, making a patch. one sec. [08:59] grazymax (~grazymax@host173-132-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:59] why not use the patch that was posted a half hour ago? [09:00] NightTiger (~derekm@2001:470:1d:e4:216:17ff:fe3b:21d0) joined ##slackware. [09:01] vidarr (~vidar@77.46.246.236) joined ##slackware. [09:02] he said he had a never gcc [09:02] s/never/newer/ [09:02] than 4.4.x ? [09:02] :S ok i did something wrong during makepkg [09:02] never saw this before, its trying to change directory when I load celestia [09:03] vidarr (vidar@77.46.246.236) left ##slackware. [09:03] not sure why its doing that, unless it put a symlink somehow and its going to my make install directory, which i already deleted [09:04] did you build with a script? [09:05] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [09:05] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) joined ##slackware. [09:07] no [09:07] im still trying to learn how to script [09:07] ok then, near impossible for us to help you :) [09:07] but i cant find any books or manuals on that [09:08] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/academic/celestia/ [09:08] i think it was one of the switches I used in makepkg [09:08] have a look at the slackbuild [09:08] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ ? [09:08] and templates [09:08] ya, i looked at the howto, but i need something... more beginner, i got lost [09:08] pprkut's patch worked here. [09:08] grab the gcc 4.4 patch, add a patch line to the slackbuild, and build away [09:09] i looked all over slackbuilds for a script, didnt see one [09:09] Action: KaMii goes to look again [09:09] learning how to make build scripts will save lots of time and effort later, and results will be more consistent. [09:10] s/later// [09:10] KaMii, I didn't even search slackbuilds.org. I googled 'celestia slackbuild' and it was the first f'ing hit [09:13] <_misfit_> has anyone gotten google-chrome slackbuild to work without modification? [09:13] yes [09:13] <_misfit_> on x86_64 its still asking for libnss3.so.1d [09:13] oh don't know about _64 [09:14] <_misfit_> seamonkey-solibs installs libnss3.so [09:14] cool! [09:14] <_misfit_> google tells me to symlink it [09:14] but I would have it would look for the same version whichever ARCH [09:14] have thought* [09:14] i am navigating the universe....but it is using 99% of my cpu, the fuck... [09:14] <_misfit_> rworkman, ping [09:15] grazymax (~grazymax@host86-14-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:15] _misfit_, you might get better response in #slackbuilds [09:15] _misfit_, are you sure you changed ARCH ? do you have false symlinks from /usr/lib in your /opt/google/chrome/ ? [09:15] OK, the app uses all my cpu, this ain't working. [09:15] i used the glut frontend, could this be why? [09:16] <_misfit_> libnss3.so.1d -> /usr/lib64/seamonkey/libnss3.so [09:16] ok i got the slackbuild building and it applied the patches [09:16] i still need to find a, how to script for morons like KaMii document [09:16] KaMii, no need - use the scripts others write and give to you :) [09:16] <_misfit_> ah [09:17] <_misfit_> running google-chrome instead of chrome works [09:17] <_misfit_> :\ [09:17] ya, i try to thrice` but sometimes there arent any, and it would be nice for me to know and understand them and how to write them [09:17] so im not bugging you guys all the time [09:18] KaMii, well the slackbuild script does everything that you have been doing by hand [09:18] <_misfit_> anyone use epic? [09:18] so the commands you should know [09:19] anyway afk [09:19] <_misfit_> how do i change channels lol, im doing a /j #chan [09:20] yay, the slackbuild worked with me adding the patches in the lines! thanks thrice` and everyone else [09:21] oh also, mancha if you are interested in astronomy, check out Stellarim [09:21] you will really enjoy that one [09:22] very cool program indeed [09:23] switch10_ (~root@24.206.123.83) joined ##slackware. [09:24] NewHero (PuppetMast@41.72.63.23) joined ##slackware. [09:25] revel0___ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [09:25] Hi every one, how do I use the result from a command lets say ls then I grep the foldername and cd to it ,any ideias? [09:26] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:27] you shouldn't grep ls, at least according to bash faqs [09:27] oh wait, thats PARSING ls [09:27] ls | grep [09:28] then pipe to xargs cd? for that [09:28] hum okay didnt get the last part , how would it look like ? [09:29] like ls | grep | xargs cd [09:29] ls | grep |xargs cd ? [09:29] okay ...let me try it .. [09:29] of course, that would try to cd to every file inside the directory ... :) [09:29] xargs would recursively try to apply cd to the results of ls [09:30] error "xargs: cd: No such file or directory" [09:30] especially if grep returned multiple lines - and you yave to take into account that the retunred entry may be a file rather than a direcftory [09:30] well if he only returns one grep [09:30] though um I would just cd :P [09:31] yeah you might have many or no results [09:31] lol [09:31] do the cd seperately [09:31] except grep may return a line that's actually a fully qualified path +file [09:32] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [09:32] in reallity what I really need is to be able to use any result from a command [09:32] slackware.osuosl.org seems back up [09:32] NewHero: are you writing a script? [09:32] let say I do find / -name httpd.conf [09:33] NewHero: I used cd $(ls -l | grep "^d.*somedir" | awk '{print $8}') [09:33] nop just trying to have all in one line?is it possible [09:33] or do I have to write a script? [09:33] NewHero: why? [09:33] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [09:33] and that changes me to somedir... [09:33] locate httpd.conf [09:34] Elektro_ (~elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:34] NewHero: grep, awk, and sed get used a lot for things like that. [09:34] NewHero: locate filename | vim - [09:34] hum locate if faster then find hhahahah [09:35] NewHero: i think what you are looking for is to pipe output filename into a text editor to edit? [09:35] ls filename | vim - [09:35] so "somecommand | vim -" would do what your asking.. vim can take STDIN, which is noted by the - [09:36] vi $(locate httpd.conf) worked [09:36] referenced* [09:36] heheh [09:36] yep, that's another perfectly valid method [09:36] Action: phrag must get out the habit of using `bleh` instead of $(bleh [09:36] ) [09:36] phrag I would use sed to extract a name from a file right? [09:36] what if there are multiple httpd.conf in the filetree? [09:37] bah, `` is easier to type [09:37] NewHero: remember locate depends on updatedb having been ran and only returns the latest cache [09:37] vi $(locate httpd.conf | rev | rev) [09:37] NewHero: you could.. depends what you want, explain further [09:37] what is rev rev? [09:37] brrrrmmmm [09:37] echo "NewHero" | rev [09:38] vrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee CRASH [09:38] alpha (~alpha@93-45-32-118.ip100.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [09:38] hahhahhah [09:38] okay newbie [09:38] Nick change: alpha -> Cr1kk4 [09:38] I rev rev'd into a wall :/ [09:38] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:39] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:40] NewHero: whenever you see a command you don't recognize, whatis(1) can help. "whatis rev ; man rev". [09:41] thanks rob0 [09:41] hey everyone you been great [09:41] thanks [09:42] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [09:42] if get any other crazy idea will surely ask ... [09:42] Nick change: oobe -> poo [09:43] switch10__ (~dave@24.206.123.83) joined ##slackware. [09:44] switch10__ (~dave@24.206.123.83) left irc: Client Quit [09:44] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:44] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [09:44] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [09:46] vi $(find /etc/ -iname *httpd.conf |head -n 1) [09:46] Roin (~florian@p5B2BEFB1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:47] tried worked [09:47] [09:47] cool [09:47] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:48] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:48] thats what a I love about linux there is a thousand ways to reach a goal... [09:49] find also has an exec option now that I recall [09:49] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:50] celestia sucks, it used 99% of my cpu [09:51] Nick change: poo -> oobe [09:52] does it not use 99% of cpu for you folks? [09:54] I don't have it installed currently [09:56] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [10:00] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [10:03] mancha: yes, 99% here too [10:04] stinky that can't be good. the app is fucked. [10:04] only the first core though [10:04] yeah it's prolly no multi-core aware otherwise it'd be burning all your cores. [10:04] nhudson (~Name@mail.cima-solutions.com) joined ##slackware. [10:04] yeah [10:05] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-241-209.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:05] mornin' slackers [10:06] switch10_ (~root@24.206.123.83) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:09] morning slacker [10:10] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:12] hahah [10:12] i just read their explanation [10:12] Cr1kk4 (alpha@93-45-32-118.ip100.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:12] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:13] apparently, celestia recalculates everything every time a screen re-draw is done. so if you're at 75hz refresh, then celestia has to calculate the whole universe view in 1/75th of a second [10:13] if it is not one by the refresh, then it'll start over at the next refresh command...so it's always playing catch-up [10:13] that can't possibly be considered good coding! :( [10:13] pssh, get a new pc! [10:13] sounds like they need to take a page from game development [10:14] scaling the level of detail etc [10:14] 5 second refresh should be too fast for universe refresh [10:14] their "solution" is to either minimize the window (then it won't eed to re-draw it) or get a faster processor [10:14] *plop* [10:14] lol [10:15] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:15] switch10_ (~dave@24.206.123.83) joined ##slackware. [10:16] mancha: yeah, as you said, bad coding [10:17] or lack of optimization, but there's a time you *need* to optimize your app otherwise you're not able to test it properly [10:17] mancha: there are a lot of options in celestia. they may have one that disables that [10:17] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone [10:17] http://www.shatters.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=75304 (question 29a and b) [10:17] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:18] Im having trouble starting x as a regular user. the root account works fine. Any Ideas? [10:18] rootless x hah? I doubt you can get that anywhere but in Ubuntu nowadays [10:19] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:19] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [10:19] motzmo (~x0a@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:fbef:aa0c:71cf) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:20] pprkut: so thats normal? no way around it? [10:20] without heavy patching? no way [10:20] mancha: heh, i guess - nice may work [10:20] it killed my X [10:20] wow [10:21] yep, i ran it and killed it 3 times and on tbhe 4th time, as if seeking revenge, it killed my X [10:21] pprkut: what are you talking about? [10:21] pprkut: Thanks for the help. [10:21] switch10_: what do you mean by running X ? [10:22] like startx ? [10:22] but what it didn't know is right after it told me "hi dave, i'm afraid i can't do that..." i typed removpkg celestia [10:22] stinky: exactly [10:22] switch10_: no problem [10:22] that should work as any user [10:22] it updates and take 100% cpu time even if the display doesn't change? [10:22] mancha 1, celestia 0 [10:22] that has the correct groups [10:22] switch10_: did you put your user into the video group. i think it needs that [10:23] stinky: yes im in the Video group [10:23] what error do you get in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? [10:24] one sec... Ill check.. [10:24] i can't recall the last time my X hung....celestia was able to do it though... [10:25] stinky, switch10_ : In case you are interested: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODIzNQ [10:25] i guess having 2 cores is the only way to use it mancha [10:26] pprkut: I thought the patching wasn't that heavy [10:26] pprkut: yeah of course not running X itself, though executing startx should work as normal user [10:26] stinky: true [10:26] saTTY (~saTTY@218.248.80.51) joined ##slackware. [10:27] as for celestia, it should memoize and it definitely should redraw that often [10:27] adrien: "ubuntu" + "patching" = "heavy" :P [10:27] Hmmmm [10:28] stinky: it boots to 3 terminal windows and a little clock in the upper right hand corner, and nothing else. there are no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log [10:28] pprkut: :P [10:28] twm \o/ [10:28] switch10_: haha, that is fine. [10:28] switch10_: use xwmconfig [10:28] stinky: i have to install a window manager? 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[10:31] run it as the user you want to change the window manager for [10:31] no problem. that will show your available window managers. [10:35] Action: gartt thumbs his nose at everything except Fluxbox [10:36] Action: adrien throws openbox at gartt [10:36] openbox is nice [10:36] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-139-249.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [10:37] i really like e17 [10:37] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:37] for a laptop/netbook. xfce for my desktop [10:37] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [10:38] awesomewm is sweet and xmonad for tiled managers [10:43] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:43] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:45] saTTY (~saTTY@218.248.80.51) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:48] NewHero (PuppetMast@41.72.63.23) left irc: [10:52] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [10:55] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [10:56] auro (~auro@unaffiliated/auro) joined ##slackware. [10:57] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:59] Action: NightTiger has been using FVWM since forever. Not much eye candy, but a lot of functionality and easily configured. [11:00] troy (~troy@conference/akademy/x-ldzgrmuytjwvzerm) joined ##slackware. [11:00] i never looked at openbox yet, whats the command to load it? ive been using xfce4 [11:01] Action: NightTiger wears tri-focal glasses, and finds eye candy distracting and pointless. Too "Microsoft-ish". [11:01] it's not part of slackware proper [11:01] KaMii, openbox is on slackbuilds.org [11:02] sbopkg -i openbox # as long as it has no deps :) [11:03] oh, its not part of the official package set? [11:03] Nope [11:03] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Disconnected by services [11:03] default = BlackBox, Fluxbox, FVWM, XFCE, KDE [11:03] and TWM... [11:04] Action: slava_dp goes home, have fun everyone ;) [11:04] slack includes kde/xfce/flux/blackbox/windowmaker/fvwm/twm [11:04] later slava_dp o/ [11:04] jhw (~jhw@p57982864.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:04] anything else is extra [11:04] Ah forgot one [11:04] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:06] everyone always forgets windowmaker! :P [11:06] The project seems a bit dead anyway, like BlackBox [11:06] oh wait it isnt [11:08] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:09] looks like openbox website is down [11:09] Hello, I am starting in Slackware, looking at slackbook. It seems to be very old, is it still relevant? Any pointers to up-to-date information? [11:10] its relevant for starting out [11:10] Yup [11:10] thats primarily why its not updated [11:10] helped me a lot ._. [11:11] But they are working on a new release anyway [11:11] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:11] once you're familiar you can go on your own [11:11] switch10__ (~dave@24.206.123.83) joined ##slackware. [11:11] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:12] revel0___ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [11:12] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [11:13] john_dee (~id@93-81-118-41.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [11:13] I always keep it as a reference ín case I forget something I've already done once :P [11:14] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [11:19] LJS (~frank@79.84.8.98) joined ##slackware. [11:20] Hi everybody ! [11:20] Hi alienBOB ! [11:20] does that mean you said hi to alienBOB twice? [11:20] Hi LJS ^^' [11:21] alienBOB: if You are here and have time, we can speak a few minutes about Slackware-Live [11:21] Hi Roin ! [11:21] mancha: :) [11:21] http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/07/06/1331247/Prince-Says-Internet-Is-Over?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 [11:21] slackware-live....a live cd? [11:21] prince says the internet is over, so ok all of you on your way... [11:22] mancha: Slackware-Live is a tool to build a live CD/DVD/USB from a slackware system or from Slackware packages [11:22] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [11:22] LJS oh that's a nice project. Is it yours? [11:23] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [11:23] sounds like a great project [11:23] installable live cd or just plain live cd? [11:23] mancha: well I developped it, but it is not mine [11:23] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [11:23] I was inspired by Linux-Live, helped a lot by Zenwalk team for testing [11:24] and alienBOB gave me very good advices and constraints [11:24] iceheart (~nihao@114.83.84.211) joined ##slackware. [11:24] did slackware supportttttttttttttttttttttt laptop ( HP Pavilion tx2645ee ) [11:24] i see. well you know what they say... [11:24] Installable live-CD [11:24] It is very usefull [11:25] if i have seen further it is only becuase i have stoof on the shoulders of giants... [11:25] I use that system for everyday use everywhere because my computer is too eavy... [11:25] no one know :| [11:25] heavy [11:25] Did slackware supporttttttttttttttt wireless ( LAN USB Atheros ar5523 ) ??????? [11:25] LJS: awesome, link somewhere? Been thinking about installing Slackware on the netbook I've ordered and this looks exactly like what I've been looking for ._. [11:26] slackware does not need to specifically support a laptop [11:26] Iraqi, i don't recall HP being particularly troublesome for linux [11:26] Roin: Yes: I give you the link [11:27] if you can boot the install media, you can install slackware [11:27] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:27] there might not be support for all its features and buttons [11:27] but you should be able to run the os on it [11:27] http://download.tuxfamily.org/sallu/alienbob/ [11:27] that might require a custom kernel or modules or other binaries from hp for everything [11:27] Skywise: are you talking to me? [11:28] LJS: woah thanks :D [11:28] it is just a temporary link [11:28] no, iraqi [11:28] mancha i want just one answer and siple by [ Y /N] is slackware support hp pavilion tx2500 ? [ Y / N ] ? [11:28] i should of prefeaced my comments [11:28] Y [11:28] Iraqi: google for it, as Skywise said, most of the hardware is probably supported but some special features might not work [11:28] if its got an x86 cpu, you're in luck [11:29] LJS: I just install all packages in packages/ yeah? [11:29] slackware not support hp tx2500 and not support wireless atheros ar5523 so why all told me install slackware is support all my device [11:29] Roin: yes, [11:29] LJS: woah thank you very much got to try it :D [11:29] Iraqi my yes/no answer is: "when in the course of numan events an operating system, comes across the technological construct of hewlett packard, insofar as the interoperability is concenred, it is deemed by our creator to have certain inalienable right, among these... [11:29] if you knew, why you'd ask [11:29] i don't keep track of every machine out there [11:30] Roin: UnionFS-FUSE and Squashfs are packages I made for testing purpose, but You may be interested in building them yourself (see related projects) [11:30] LJS: ok, well I just installed them shouldnt hurt to look at them as well [11:30] do not tell me yes or no because if yes must i download slackware for more one week because is 4 giga and then after download is not work this time i will kill my self :) [11:30] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@190.sub-174-245-166.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:31] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:31] Roin: then it is quite simple, but you better have to read documentation before running "build-slackware-live.sh' [11:31] is slackware same like back|track? [11:31] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:32] nope [11:32] LJS: I see, the docs come with the package? [11:32] ok, you don't need to download all 4gb [11:32] so i want result [11:32] then you're going to have to learn about what you want to do [11:32] i want my wireless work on linux [11:32] and then download only whats needed [11:32] yes in /usr/doc/slackware-live-0.2.4 [11:32] but You get the source too [11:33] sky i learned is for hack not more [11:33] LJS: yeah found it thanks :D [11:33] now, thats prolly something someone can help you with [11:33] Iraqi, you can't use slackware without learning more all the time [11:33] sky you mean is there slack for 500 mb ? [11:33] or 200 mb [11:33] Roin: if you are interested in codevelopping this project... [11:33] sky i learn learn [11:33] if you carefully select your packages, you can make it very small [11:33] just tell me: Roin: Just tell me. [11:34] sky give me one this link please [11:34] click on the get slack link at slackware.com [11:34] then find a local mirror [11:34] LJS: ok, I'm not a good coder though, will take a look at the source tarball anyway [11:34] i want just support wifi and have all tools wifi [11:34] sky this one giga [11:35] Roin: the best is to make a clean install from a Slackware system inside a subdirectory (installpkg -root /tmp/system /mnt/cdrom/slackware/*/*.t?z) [11:35] sky i saw is must download 6 cd or one dvd [11:35] well, you don't need all the cds [11:35] i told you slack ware for just 200 mb then i complete it [11:35] you don't need the cds with the source [11:35] you don't need kde or emacs [11:36] sky just i want support wifi and tools wifi [11:36] not more [11:36] Iraqi: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-laptops-netbooks-minibooks/139754-linux-tx2500-tablet-pc.html ? [11:36] like back|track and wha [11:36] well, you don't need to download slackware for wifi [11:36] LJS: Oh I see, so if I have a local mirror of slackware that would be best? [11:36] i want install like all linUx and support wifi [11:36] we don't have any knowledge of backtrack and the like [11:36] Iraqi: what does lsusb(8) say about your NIC? Specifically, the ID, xxxx:xxxx ? [11:36] so what i need download? [11:37] while they're based on slackware, they're not slackware [11:37] Roin: not sure what You mean with local mirror [11:37] thanksssss Roin [11:37] rob0 now i'm in windows [11:37] LJS: Well the Slackware tree on my PC [11:37] sky give one of this [11:37] Windows probably has a way to get the USB ID. [11:37] LJS: or wait I got it ok... [11:38] it is possible to create a live-CD/DVD/USB from the running system, but yes, from tree on your PC is cleaner I think [11:38] ok [11:38] rob0 my wifi is : LAN USB Atheros ar5523 [11:38] I'll try it, probably this weekend [11:38] in backtrack was wrote in lsusb infront of ar5523 ( no firmware) [11:38] Roin: I have to leave now, but mail me at frankendres at tuxfamily dot org [11:39] LJS: ok, thank you very much again :) [11:41] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-241-209.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:41] http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ar5523 [11:41] in www.atheros.cz is show list is support linUx so why then not support [11:41] oh goodness [11:41] rob0 there is not avalibale read it [11:41] Iraqi, you need to learn about what a kernel is [11:42] sky my english is bad [11:42] so too much hard to read and want a lot of time [11:42] i understand, i think theres a misunderstanding [11:42] please understand me [11:42] The link I gave you says that the driver is under development and not yet in the kernel. [11:43] but, looks like it should work. [11:43] many channel banned me for this english i have [11:43] some places are less tolerant then others [11:43] rob0 i knwo that [11:43] and i told you is problem just no firmware [11:43] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: cuidado com o cavalo! [11:43] can you get the firmware from windows? [11:44] in linUx backtrack 4 final in command : lsusb is show [11:44] atheros ar5523 ( no firmware ) [11:44] that all problem i have [11:44] skywise how? [11:44] http://wiki.debian.org/ar5523#Installation step 2, firmware [11:45] Iraqi, it would be one of the files in the driver [11:45] rob0 wait because i have back track now [11:45] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:45] debain is 1 giga [11:45] sky how how [11:45] You would use /lib/firmware in Slackware. [11:46] Iraqi, try what rob0 suggests [11:46] rob0 from where in windows i get firmware for my wifi [11:46] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.75.231) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:46] in windows how i got it then i copy in there /lib/firmware [11:46] grrr ... the link has a URL, did you try that? [11:46] waittt [11:47] but is for debian ?? it wil work? [11:47] rock the kazbah [11:47] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.75.231) joined ##slackware. [11:47] Firmware is for the device, not the OS. [11:48] very goooooooooooooooood [11:48] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:48] wait open web site is want time [11:48] rob0 i did that [11:48] and in [11:49] before this line [11:49] # m-a a-i ar5523 [11:49] i got problem [11:49] and it was show me ( ignore) skip ( stop) [11:49] Don't do the Debian stuff. Just get the firmware and put in the Slackware /lib/firmware directory. [11:50] can i download manul this firmware [11:50] because how i can get it [11:50] Urugami (KB5YRZ@190.sub-174-245-166.myvzw.com) left ##slackware. [11:50] is in side [11:50] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@190.sub-174-245-166.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:50] do noobfarm quotes have to be approved before they appear? [11:51] Urugami (KB5YRZ@190.sub-174-245-166.myvzw.com) left ##slackware. [11:51] To get good at this, one must be able to pull abstract concepts from what one reads. If you take everything literally, you will not do well. [11:51] And yes, I know part of that is the language barrier, sorry, can't help with that. [11:51] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [11:51] rob0 my english bad sorry [11:51] there are too many to post all at once [11:52] I just installed the google chrome browser, but I am getting this error: /usr/bin/google-chrome: error while loading shared libraries: libgconf-2.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [11:52] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:52] what is extration for firmware [11:52] i mean this extration for install in windows .exe [11:52] Noobfarm has a continuous feed from ##slackware, just chops them randomly and inserts. [11:52] switch10__: chrome has dependencies [11:53] what about for firmware .?? [11:53] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [11:53] sahko, ahh ok [11:53] can someone disconnect Iraqi's power supply? [11:53] Iraqi: the link was a .tgz which implies it is a gzipped tar file. [11:53] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:53] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Howdy Slackers [11:53] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:54] Opening it in Windows might be possible, but rather pointless, I would think. [11:54] winrar can manage them [11:54] Skywise: ^^ pointless? [11:54] Iraqi: the wifi worked in backtrack 4? [11:54] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [11:55] You get the firmware, you get the source, you boot Linux. [11:55] isnt backtrack 4 ubuntu based? [11:55] rob0, should be pointless, but in this case.... [11:55] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [11:55] Skywise: yes [11:55] sahko: ^^ [11:55] Then you install the firmware and compile the source. [11:55] Finally. "modprobe -v ar5523" and check dmesg. [11:56] if he warm boots from windows, won't the firmware still be loaded from the windows boot [11:56] "firmware" has lost its true meaning [11:56] waximum (~waximum@host-90-239-108-107.mobileonline.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:56] yeah, that was an old trick for some devices that didn't have support [11:57] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:58] looks like something didn't work [11:58] Iraqi (~Iraqi@95.170.223.30) joined ##slackware. [11:58] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:58] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:59] _misfit_ (~phuk@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC5-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet? [11:59] Disconnectoin [11:59] sorry [12:00] rob0 [12:01] Iraqi: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ar5523 [12:01] thanks. [12:02] tsooi (~scruffy@ti0125a380-0340.bb.online.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:02] jhw (~jhw@p57982864.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:02] stinky no no there too no avalibale [12:02] i want extration for firmware [12:02] to i download it [12:03] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [12:03] like ar5523.exe [12:04] http://verein.lst.de/~hch/ar5523.tgz firmware. Unfortunately the driver source is in git, and I have no idea how/if you can get that from Windows. Are you depending on the wireless device for Internet? [12:05] s/git/svn/ [12:05] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [12:05] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [12:06] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.75.231) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:06] rob0 yes for hacking [12:06] must by wifi [12:07] um [12:07] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. [12:08] is downloading wait... [12:09] rob0 can you too download it [12:09] is have many files [12:09] in side [12:09] if you plan to do this so called "hacking" why not use pentoo? [12:09] and one of them is [12:10] it's only the size of one cdrom [12:10] uath-firmware-1.0.tgz?? [12:10] stiky is support my wifi [12:10] that my problem [12:11] rob0 i extra this uath-firmware ? [12:11] Iraqi: http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ [12:12] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.75.231) joined ##slackware. [12:12] vehn_z (~vehn_z@85.26.234.202) joined ##slackware. [12:12] youKamii them not support my wifi [12:12] leave them [12:13] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [12:13] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:13] if it works on one Linux it will work on any Iraqi [12:13] and vice versa [12:13] rob0 have many file is go side in side then in side will see this file uath-ar5523? [12:13] stiky [12:14] stiky i heared many voice like you [12:14] but not successful [12:14] Action: stinky shakes head. [12:14] JimLesta (~JimLesta@196.201.217.232) joined ##slackware. [12:14] look in www.atheros.cz is say support [12:14] then when using and show error them say oh is not support [12:14] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:15] why are we helping someone who wants to hack? [12:15] dvel (~dani@134.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:15] dvel (~dani@134.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Changing host [12:15] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [12:15] that not mean hack [12:15] is mean learn [12:15] Action: KaMii trusts no one [12:16] that what do believe [12:16] rob0 what happen? [12:16] vehn_z (~vehn_z@85.26.234.202) left irc: Client Quit [12:16] did you saw it? [12:17] vehn_z (~vehn_z@85.26.234.202) joined ##slackware. [12:17] switch10__ (~dave@24.206.123.83) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:18] We being ##slackware, should use the traditional computing rather than the mass-media definition of hack/hacker. [12:18] ^^ agree [12:19] switch10_ (~dave@24.206.123.83) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:19] rob0 slackware is 4 giga [12:19] is too much larg size [12:19] more one week need to download [12:20] i'm from iraq [12:20] ouch [12:20] and internet is slowly [12:20] who has the mute button? [12:20] download speed 5- 10 kb/s [12:20] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [12:20] Iraqi: go ask the US Military if you can use their internet [12:20] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:21] rob0 just download it and check which one i copy/past and done [12:21] dvel (~dani@134.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:21] dvel (~dani@134.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Changing host [12:21] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [12:21] Iraqi: buy a slackware dvd? [12:21] KaMii if you have any body from them in Irbil call them and tell them agree to i use them internet [12:22] Okay, I'm coming in late on the conversation again but, Iraqi, have you tried the torrent? [12:22] Again, I cannot tell you how/if you can download the driver source from SVN in Windows. [12:22] i will be very happy them have very very high speed [12:22] 4 GB?, the CD1 with basic installation... [12:22] i using torrent show [12:22] Ah [12:22] how i tell you i can download it by 4 days [12:22] sorry 4 giga by more one week [12:23] Iraqi: when I was on dialup, up until 2005 I had to wait that long to get what I want [12:23] there is no /etc/crontab in my system & i would like to add this crontab line to cactiuser [12:23] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [12:23] */5 * * * * cactiuser /www/php/bin/php /www/htdocs/cacti/poller.php > /dev/null 2>&1 [12:23] Iraqi: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/tinycorelinux/2.x/release/ [12:23] its only 10 mb [12:23] rob0 i downloaded this file ar5523.tg and have again aruchef have file uath-firmware [12:23] what does /etc/crontab have to do with anything? [12:23] i see /etc/cron.d/ .... can i create a new file there & put the cron job there ? [12:24] stinky when you was benn in iraq? [12:24] or do i only have to create /etc/crontab ? [12:24] paissad, ok, stop. [12:24] Iraqi: http://www.slitaz.org/en/ better than tinycore in my opinion [12:24] mancha, ;) [12:24] KaMii is support atheros? [12:24] ask your real question! :) [12:24] _misfit_ (~phuk@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Iraqi: you don't have to live in Iraq to have slow internet. [12:24] Iraqi: go to the TinyCore chat and ask three [12:24] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:24] paissad, did you try "man crontab"? [12:24] what would you like to achieve, in words, don't talk about missing crontab files. [12:25] mancha, i want to add a cron job for a specific user (cactiuser) ;) [12:25] stinky did you saw irbil? [12:25] ok [12:25] rob0, i could do crontab -u cactiuser .... [12:25] stinky i will ask Nur Maliki to give me internet :P [12:25] JimLesta (JimLesta@196.201.217.232) left ##slackware. [12:25] add a file "user" in /var/spool/cron/crontabs [12:25] rob0, but i want to proceed otherwise [12:26] KaMii i just travil in irc all say go therre go there :D [12:26] or crontab -e [12:26] this will edit that user's crontab [12:26] my passport is working in all country (channel) :P [12:26] If you don't like Slackware's cron implementation, rip it out and install a different one. [12:27] _misfit_ (~phuk@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:27] rob0 download it is very small size file [12:27] mancha, actually, i know about crontab -u user, crontab -e , ..... but i would like to have a file where i could put all cron jobs i want for what user i want .. [12:27] instead of doing crontab -e for each user [12:27] huh? [12:27] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:28] stinky i'm from irbil ( arbil ) is capital city for region kurdistan of iraq [12:28] so basically, you don't like dillon's cron [12:28] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:28] paissad: < rob0> If you don't like Slackware's cron implementation, rip it out and install a different one. [12:28] Iraqi: oh, okay [12:28] dillon's cron works by giving each user a different crontab [12:29] rob0000 [12:29] i just learned about stoning to death today from cnn.com. sad [12:29] Iraqi: I have never been to iraq [12:29] cruel way to die [12:29] there are crueler [12:29] stinky you said in 2005? [12:30] Iraqi: No, I had slow internet in 2005. Dialup [12:30] rob0 tell me or i call 911 i will say you not help me [12:30] i know there are bad tortures, but for an execution method.. stoning is really unhumanitary [12:30] stinky sorry misunderstand my english bad [12:31] ArTourter (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:31] someone put Iraqi out of his misery already [12:31] i suggest electrocution [12:31] sleekslack (~umislack@58.64.119.67) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:31] death by poison gas [12:31] stu_: I've seen videos of people stoned. A young girl to be exact. Was very disturbing. [12:31] Iraqi, I doubt I can help any further. [12:31] bad bad taste stu_ [12:31] stinky, yes it seems girls are the ones usually stoned [12:31] _misfit_ (~phuk@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:31] they do stonings still for adultery i believe...to women [12:32] the cnn report made me search further in google [12:32] in muslim countries...usually rural settings [12:32] stu_: She was stoned for deciding not so believe in Islam. [12:32] the absence of feeling in the people who throw the stones are really really disturbing [12:32] s/so/to [12:32] the US don't make better [12:33] they even choose big enough stones to cause hurt, but not enough to cause death quickly? wtf [12:33] no no rob0 i will go then just check file [12:33] s/make/do/ [12:33] and which one is file for must copy/past [12:33] Iraqi: Do they still stone where you live? [12:33] what you mean? [12:34] my english is bad sorry [12:34] nevermind. [12:34] offtopic [12:34] ok thanks' [12:34] rob0o0o0o [12:34] rob0o0o i'm your brotherr from anther mam and dad :P [12:35] and after some googling i've come to a conclusion that death by firing squad and beheading are the most humane [12:35] :) nice try [12:35] Guy's i think rob0o0 good human will help me [12:35] and i think you're a troll [12:35] arfon :D [12:36] Iraqi, its' "my brother from another mother." :) [12:36] <_misfit_> hmm if my terminal is supporting utf-8 but the characters are still coming out garbled what am i missing? [12:36] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:36] b1nd3r (~John@189.34.23.135) left irc: Quit: Saindo [12:36] mancha better stay between us same respect if you can , thanks :) [12:36] misfit a unicode font? [12:36] and anther dad * [12:36] stay between us same respect [12:36] <_misfit_> yea what packages provide those [12:37] I don't think that is possible Iraqi, you would not be a brother then.... [12:37] rob0o0o0 do you want i leave here and by broken heart [12:37] Maybe a cousin.... twice removed or something. [12:37] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [12:38] rob0o0o i will give you new style cloths is exclusive [12:38] misfit, slack comes with some fonts that'll handle unicode, are you sure ou're doing things correctly? what term are you using, how are you making sure it is unicode aware? [12:38] non-saw it just same [12:38] wait i come link [12:38] <_misfit_> im using terminator and there is an encoding option to set [12:38] <_misfit_> by default it sets to utf-8 [12:38] Nick change: stu_ -> stu [12:39] don't know terminator [12:39] read their docs [12:39] klein (~klein@unaffiliated/klein) joined ##slackware. [12:39] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:39] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [12:39] what is the value for LANG? [12:40] and does the following appear garbled: éèà ? [12:40] hmm, it's actually iso8859-15 too so let me give you another example [12:40] <_misfit_> adrien those look fine [12:40] are slackware support arabic GDHHHHHH [12:40] garbled for me [12:40] <_misfit_> en_US.UTF-8 [12:40] <_misfit_> thats $LANG [12:40] âå¬çþýûýûîôÂøʱæðÛÎÔ¹«»©®ß¬¿¡¦¦é¢§¨­ [12:40] stu (~stuart@175.137.171.92) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:41] <_misfit_> adrien yea those are garbled [12:41] ok [12:41] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.32.249.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:41] (Iraqi) are slackware support arabic GDHHHHHH [12:41] yes [12:41] goooooooooooooooood ,J/ [12:42] so answer me by arabic [12:42] CJA '-H'DC [12:42] stuart__ (~stuart@175.137.171.92) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Nick change: stuart__ -> stu_ [12:43] rob0 open this link [12:43] http://up.alsary.net/upload/23037_31245417917.jpg [12:43] #A6D 'DE3*-JD [12:43] is new version style cloths [12:43] what's the command for screen to minimize current screen and bring it back again [12:43] and is exclusive i show it [12:43] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:43] i know ctrl+a, ctrl+a is to toggle between screens [12:44] powtrix you used google :P [12:44] of course [12:44] klein (~klein@unaffiliated/klein) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:45] CTRL+a 0 or CTRL+a 1 or CTRL+a 2 or etc... [12:45] powtrix look this link : http://up.alsary.net/upload/23037_31245417917.jpg [12:45] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [12:45] arfon: what's minimize again [12:45] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-165-149.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:45] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:45] so rob0 now check the file [12:45] ##slackware: mode change '+q Iraqi!*@*' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [12:45] DTEACH is CTRL+a d [12:45] DETACH [12:45] look this http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2922/vitoriabrasil.jpg [12:45] arfon: ah yes, thanks [12:46] Iraqi: you talk too much without saying much. [12:46] :) [12:46] Screen -r is REATTACH [12:46] That +q will expire within a couple of hours. Don't make the same mistake again. [12:46] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [12:46] Action: rworkman is about to hit the road for a couple of hours. [12:46] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [12:47] Here at work, I have Screen 1 filled with what looks like work so when someone walks by, CTRL+a 1 [12:47] i'll pay for a 2-hour extension [12:47] stu__ (~stuart@175.137.171.92) joined ##slackware. [12:47] eh how'd i bring back my old screen hahaha [12:47] mancha: I'll /msg you my mailing information. [12:47] after ctrl+d [12:47] does the stock slackware 13.1 kernel have kms enabled by default for ati cards like intel and nvidia ? [12:47] Stu: screen -r [12:48] deco: try again. [12:48] intel: yes ati: no [12:48] nvidia: I think so [12:48] klein (~klein@unaffiliated/klein) joined ##slackware. [12:48] nvidia, it's blacklisted [12:48] the module is available but blacklisted [12:48] ah yes, that's right [12:48] stu_ (~stuart@175.137.171.92) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:48] Iraqi (Iraqi@95.170.223.30) left ##slackware. [12:49] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-165-149.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [12:49] which was by far the best solution btw [12:49] Nick change: stu__ -> stu_ [12:49] http://rlworkan.net/iraqi :) [12:49] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] rob0: ^ :) [12:50] Why is it blacklisted [12:50] ? [12:50] gee why does elinks render worse than lynx on my pc [12:50] arfon: because the binary nvidia drivers can't use it, so they don't work [12:51] HAH [12:51] if only we were so lucky.... [12:51] I prefer lynx Stu, it seems to handle more pages batter [12:51] TY Rworkman [12:51] arfon: and the xf86-video-nv doesn't use kms, and the xf86-video-noveau won't work at all with 13.1 (at least not without some luck) [12:51] rworkman: so if I have an intel video card KMS is enabled by default? [12:51] Roin: yes [12:51] Drat, I'm running mostly Nvidia with thier drivers... :( [12:51] rworkman: thanks :D [12:51] Not even "by default" - by requirement [12:51] arfon: hm, but i tried elinks long ago once and it rendered beautifully. now it just sucks [12:52] Oh I see [12:52] 2.10.x and on of the intel driver require KMS [12:52] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] 2.12.0 is working well here (after libdrm update) [12:52] Unfortunately all text-only browsers suck (thanks Flash), but they still only suck a little bandwidth. [12:53] rworkman: and the 2.10 drivers are the ones in Slackware? [12:53] i love text-only browsers [12:53] http://slackware.com/~rworkman/xorg-1.8/ [12:53] mancha: why [12:53] lynx www.midgetpr0n.com [12:53] HA HA! [12:53] That has hte newest intel drvier, but also updates to xorg-1.8.x [12:53] Nice [12:53] I'm asking so stupid because I'll get a machine with intel drivers and I have no experience whatsoever with them, there doesnt seem to much information on the web as well :( [12:53] BiCHiTo (~BiCHiTo@62.83.194.36.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Try ASCII pr0n.com [12:54] rworkman: ok thanks [12:54] Roin: if it's a newish chipset, it will almost surely "just work" and work well. [12:54] ASCIIpr0n.com I meant [12:54] k see you guys tomorrow [12:54] gotta jet [12:54] Laters [12:54] <_misfit_> if LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and LC_COLLATE=C should i be looking at reasons why the terminal isn't displaying unicode characters properly? [12:54] stu_ (~stuart@175.137.171.92) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:55] _misfit_: echo $TERM [12:55] rworkman: Intel GMA 3150 I think thats a newer one [12:55] oh, xorg-1.8, I need to find some time to play with that =) [12:55] and what term emulator [12:55] Roin: yeah, sounds like it [12:55] deco (deco@unaffiliated/deco) left ##slackware. [12:55] <_misfit_> terminator with TERM=xterm [12:55] Action: troy wonders if alienBOB/pat/etc. would be upset if I recommended updating a few descriptions for the KDE packages ... [12:55] troy: absolutlely not [12:55] BiCHiTo (~BiCHiTo@62.83.194.36.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:55] rworkman: I'm using nouveau in X and it was fairly easy, or did you mean that it won't work with your 1.8 packages? [12:55] <_misfit_> uses gnome vte i think [12:55] STRING UP TROY FOR SUGGESTING CHANGE! [12:56] troy: in fact, send them to Eric and CC Pat; Eric's more or less "maintaining" kde in Slackware now [12:56] _misfit_: try TERM=linux [12:56] rworkman: is there a normal process? or do I make a bunch of patches :) [12:56] troy: if it's just slack-desc mods, send him the new files whole [12:56] rworkman: I sent them a patch to keep Qt4.7beta1 building :) [12:57] ooh, nice :) [12:57] rworkman: it's shiny :P [12:57] rworkman: safe trip home! [12:57] adrien: hrm, maybe I was thinking of 13.0 and noveau [12:57] <_misfit_> hmm doesn't look like that changed it [12:57] _misfit_: restart the term emu [12:57] Action: troy worries that he'll end up becoming the slackware kde packager if he keeps working on things :P [12:57] hehehe [12:57] <_misfit_> rworkman ok [12:57] :) [12:57] lol [12:58] ^for the iraqi link [12:58] Iraqi seemed to think I was unwilling to help; not so. I'm not *able* to help. [12:58] rworkman: 13.0 would be pretty hard but with 13.1, I only had to use kernel 2.6.34 (or .33 with minor patches) and a newer mesa [12:58] <_misfit_> hmm nothing, i even tried in rxvt-unicode [12:58] rworkman: okay - I'll resync my -current mirror and get at it - and I'll bug alienBOB about some other things that are coming out of Akademy :) [12:58] I hope I can try your xorg-1.8 packages soon [12:59] adrien: cool; thanks! [12:59] troy: we appreciate it, man - that's awesome :) [12:59] <_misfit_> are there specific font packages or should i disable using xft? [12:59] <_misfit_> urxvt*font: xft:Monospace:pixelsize=12:antialias=true:hinting=true [13:00] troy: I'm curious as to how things are going to progress wrt volume and power management? Is KDE going to use udisks and upower? [13:00] <_misfit_> thats for urxvt [13:00] rworkman: yes, once we actually have someone write the appropriate Solid:: backend [13:00] rworkman: well, thanks for making the packages ;-) [13:00] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.32.249.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:00] rworkman: it's been a 'someone will do it Real Soon Now(TM)' project for a while [13:00] troy: okay, so we have to ship HAL until that happens :) [13:01] Believe it or not, I've got a "halectomy" tree going. [13:01] rworkman: don't expect it until January at least - we're in freeze for 4.5 now, and 4.6 is January [13:01] It's lunch time....! [13:01] troy: ah, you're a kde dev? [13:01] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:01] thumbs: aye [13:01] klein (~klein@unaffiliated/klein) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:01] troy: good deal. [13:01] thumbs: and now it all comes together :) [13:01] you say that now, but you'll leave many a tear on your pillow once hal is completely purged [13:01] thats not an inconvinience since xfce wont be seeing much action either [13:02] hal is here to stay for a while longer [13:02] Yeah, the way it appears, we might get a hal-less xfce and kde together. [13:02] sahko: well, it's good to hear that we're not the only ones holding up the show then :P [13:02] c'mon people, don't tell me you don't like to code xml property and policy files? [13:02] xfce is seeingly dead at the moment [13:02] thrice`: that's a shame. [13:02] I like xfce. [13:02] troy: i just hope gnome doesnt invent a new technology since then :P [13:02] I think xml configs are here to stay [13:03] I'm sure David Zeuthen will find something to rewrite by then. [13:03] haha [13:03] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:03] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [13:03] xml can be ok if the schema has been properly designed and is documented/commented [13:03] u-pol-con-kit [13:03] i mean hey, i'm all for making udev the big kahuna of all things hotplug, but hey, hals been good to us, knowdamean? [13:04] mancha: I agreee [13:04] waximum (~waximum@host-90-239-108-107.mobileonline.telia.com) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [13:04] Matthew_Murdock (~user@93.87.199.242) joined ##slackware. [13:04] I had to read maybe 50000 lignes of undocumented XML because of gobject-introspection, *that* was not OK [13:04] dvel (dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left ##slackware ("any"). [13:04] haha [13:04] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [13:04] <_misfit_> unicode makes me sad [13:05] jennifur (~jennifur@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:05] (plus I don't like gobject-introspection for other reasons, number 1 being that I don't think it's going to be reliable) [13:05] Well, guess who wrote it? [13:05] (I don't know actually, but I'll be I'm not far off) [13:05] waximum (~waximum@host-90-239-108-107.mobileonline.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:05] <_misfit_> do i need *iconv* to convert utf characters? [13:05] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [13:05] but one benefit of xml that was most probably unexpected is that the parsers are pretty resistant to bad input so it makes them pretty good for hand-edited config files ;-) [13:06] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [13:06] _misfit_: libiconv is actually in libc, and there's "iconv" which is a command-line tool, the one you'll use depends on what you want to do [13:06] Well, really afk now; later guys [13:07] <_misfit_> hmm interesting [13:07] rworkman: gobject-introspection was written by some gtk/gnome guys, but I don't know who exactly [13:07] <_misfit_> so should rxvt-unicode be linked to iconv? [13:08] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [13:08] biker (~biker@187.146.82.36) joined ##slackware. [13:08] A short question: I am reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard because I want to put some perl script in some folder in path to be available to all users. Now, I am not sure where to put it: /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin or... Any idea? [13:08] rworkman: but it's two-part: annotations in the source code (in .c/.cpp files): annotations, which are like doxygen's and actually like microsoft's and are actually pretty good, and command-line tools which I simply hate and won't ever use again [13:08] Matthew_Murdock: /usr/local/bin/ sounds good [13:09] you might also create a ~/bin folder and add it to your PATH if you're the only user for these scripts [13:09] _misfit_: rxvt* will use libc anyway [13:09] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:09] Matthew_Murdock: I usually put my scripts in /usr/local/bin if they are used system wide, or ~/bin if it is really only used by that user. [13:09] adrien: thanks, the folder looks empty so this looks like a good idea [13:09] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [13:09] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:10] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [13:10] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-30.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] <_misfit_> some docs are saying to add the use utf-8 to lilo config [13:10] <_misfit_> append=" vt.default_utf8=0" [13:10] it's empty because it's meant to be used for things not handled with a package manager so a fresh install shouldn't have anything there [13:10] <_misfit_> thats in my lilo.conf would that have an effect? [13:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [13:10] _misfit_: that has no impact in X, only on the linux console [13:10] _misfit_: only for the console [13:11] <_misfit_> ah ok [13:11] Barnabyh (~Barnabyh@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:11] poupouslack (~poupousla@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:11] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:11] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [13:11] Nick change: Roin -> afk|Roin [13:11] guys, do i really need to create a $HOME for user "cacti" in order the cron jobs for that user to run successfully ? [13:11] http://pastebin.com/UmRYiR5X [13:12] Matthew_Murdock (user@93.87.199.242) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [13:12] Roin: please turn that off. we really do not care. [13:12] troy: send me slack-desc changes in any way you see fit [13:12] don't need a user dir [13:12] i edited the cron job like this --> crontab -e -u user <-- [13:13] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:13] -e -u sounds very yurpean. just -e kthnx [13:13] well, i edited it successfully in any cases [13:13] klein (~klein@unaffiliated/klein) joined ##slackware. [13:13] but i try to understand the reasons for the failure [13:14] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:14] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:14] define failure in 20 words or less :) [13:14] <_misfit_> brb restarting xserver [13:14] _misfit_ (~phuk@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: EPIC5-1.1.2[1638] - amnesiac : Candy is dandy, but chloroform keeps them little bastards quiet while I shag 'em [13:15] tail -1 /var/spool/cron/crontabs/cacti [13:15] */1 * * * * cacti /usr/bin/php /var/www/paissad-docs/cacti/poller.php > /dev/null 2>&1 [13:16] that cacti up there is not part of dillons syntax [13:16] damn it .. right ! [13:18] sbsdoze (~spookywo0@CPE0012170da58c-CM00080d961284.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:21] um [13:21] stats,yes [13:21] poupouslack (~poupousla@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [13:22] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:23] now, the stats are there regardless of runnign poller right? i mean you could have the graphs (rrds) update every 5 minutes even if the stats are real-time [13:24] eXgame (~eXgame@88.118.26.21) joined ##slackware. [13:25] by the way, if anyone wants to crash their X, build, install, and run celestia [13:25] you get a nice image of planet earth, the surrounding milky way, and p00f, frozen X [13:25] mancha: is it ok if I do that on a quad-core with 4GB ram and open-source drivers? :-) [13:26] it doesn't multi-thread so it'll only kill one of your cores [13:27] actually, I'd probably try to fix celestia if I built it >< [13:28] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:28] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:29] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:29] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:29] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:30] mancha: no, the poller updates the rrds. so you have old stats, yes, but not new ones [13:30] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:31] x-ip_ (~lain@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [13:31] which is the file manager from xfce at slackware ? :) [13:32] x-ip_: Thunar [13:32] thanks :) [13:33] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [13:34] Has anyone compiled GConf from SlackBuilds recently? [13:34] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-190.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:34] poor question, try again [13:34] rirombo: what's your real question? [13:34] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:35] riro, weren't you mr. pio? [13:35] I'm trying to compile GConf from SlackBuilds and I get errors every time :\ [13:35] mancha: I was indeed. I think it's been working :) [13:35] WHICH ERRORS? [13:35] rirombo: show us [13:35] hMorning [13:36] It all begins in the defaults subfolder, where it complains about not finding files, such as: [13:36] /usr/include/glib/gtypes.h:34:24: error: glibconfig.h: No such file or directory [13:37] rirombo, just pastebin it please [13:37] I had a problem like that before, not sure how I fixed it [13:37] rirombo: do us a favour and submit a full/proper build log please. something like "bash -x $PRGNAM.SlackBuild 2>&1 | tee BUILD.log" <-- pastebin said BUILD.log [13:38] sh foo.slackbuild | tee output [13:38] rirombo: did you install all dependencies for GConf (ORBit2) [13:38] s/s/S/ [13:38] hitest: I did, yes [13:38] it's quite fun begging to help people [13:38] haha BP{k} funny that I thought of it the same way at the same time [13:39] I do apologize for my horrible questions; I do realize they are problematic. [13:40] just post your error!! [13:40] Working on it [13:40] copy and paste it, log it, record it and play it on youtube, do something useful :> [13:40] hLOL [13:40] youtube sucks. [13:41] rirombo: you're on 64bit? [13:41] Nope, 32 [13:41] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:43] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [13:44] pastebin was not meant to be used through elinks, it seems.. [13:45] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:47] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [13:48] jennifur (~jennifur@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:48] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:48] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [13:50] switch10_ (~dave@24.206.123.83) joined ##slackware. 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[14:09] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:09] dvel (~dani@134.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:09] dvel (~dani@134.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Changing host [14:09] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [14:10] scrote (~I@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] hi [14:10] I can connect to my wireless router wirelessly at home, but not at any public wifi cafe. [14:11] wlan0 dis-associates wtih the ap when I dhclient wlan0 [14:11] auska (~auska@96.Red-88-19-204.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:12] hi [14:12] scrote: how are you trying to connect to the public wifi , wicd, iwconfig ? [14:12] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:12] or are you just running dhclient wlan0 ? [14:12] dvel (~dani@134.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:12] dvel (~dani@134.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Changing host [14:12] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [14:13] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:13] i want to configure lilo but i don't know how to know the "image" for the other distros i have installed how can i do it? [14:13] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [14:14] for multi-booting Linuxes, a shared /boot is very nice. [14:14] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [14:14] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:14] idle` (~idle@2a01:e35:2f43:4b00:201:c0ff:fe04:c41f) joined ##slackware. [14:15] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [14:15] you'd keep all kernels from/for all distros under /boot, and the lilo.conf is simpler to manage (I make /etc/lilo.conf a symlink to /boot/lilo.conf.) [14:16] auska: http://wiki.zenwalk.org/index.php?title=Multiboot_with_LILO [14:16] Even better, let every distro install its bootloader into the root partition, and allow only one to install the bootloader into the MBR. Then, lilo.conf or grub.menu can be very simple and straight-forward (lilo has the "other" statement and grub the chainload statement) [14:17] idle` (~idle@2a01:e35:2f43:4b00:201:c0ff:fe04:c41f) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:18] alienBOB: yeah much better [14:18] Hahahaha guess who wrote this: "Welcome to Slackhappy International! Slackhappy International is an organization whose mission is to promote a positive, permanent change in the demeanor of tech support for Slackware Linux on IRC." [14:19] rob0? [14:19] mancha [14:19] international, hah [14:19] shadowx (~slack@singularity.darknetx.eu) joined ##slackware. [14:19] auska_ (~auska@152.Red-88-23-14.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] or phrag [14:20] It's my dear cpunches aka dartmouth aka bagira aka wintermute [14:20] ah. wouldnt have guessed [14:21] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [14:21] alienBOB: where?! [14:21] The "positive change" is meant as "positive with regard to how ##slackware regulars treat me" [14:21] Action: Dominian puts his tinfoil cap on [14:21] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:21] Dominian: http://slackhappy.drupalcafe.com/ [14:22] auska (~auska@96.Red-88-19-204.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:22] Even better - read his mission statement [14:23] oh god [14:23] alienBOB: He filed a GRF for official project/channel status as well [14:24] xsamurai: via iwconfig [14:24] revel0___ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [14:24] is possible to print 'echo -e \x00 ... \xff' using a for ? [14:24] Since he poses as a wannabe-official Slackware support channel, and has "slack" in the channel name, I guess Dominian that he has to show Pat's approval before freenode can grant him that [14:25] alienBOB: Trademark wise, yep [14:25] xsamurai: i can see the ap under iwlist wlan0 scanning, I can associate with the access point via iwconfig wlan essid , but when I dhclient wlan0, it disassociates with the ap [14:25] I just cannot get an IP [14:25] scrote: is it secured ? [14:25] alienBOB: Pat has Slack trademarked? [14:25] you will need a key [14:25] tidux (1000@c-24-147-6-177.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] xsamurai: no wep [14:25] alienBOB: I know with my 'slackadelic' site I emailed him before I even registered the domain to get his approval :) [14:25] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-0-43-120.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [14:25] Dominian: I filed a GRF for #slackware last year (with Pat's consent) and I dont think there was ever a response from freenode (or Pat received it... I used his correspondence address) [14:25] is the irssi package compiled with UTF-8 support? [14:25] "Slack" if trademarked belongs to the Church. [14:25] alienBOB: They would've had to confirm it with you [14:25] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-0-43-120.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:25] wep requires a passphrase / key [14:26] for you to associate properly [14:26] alienBOB: or whomever he deemed as the 'owner' or Group Contact [14:26] you are dead wrong. we have 'slack' in our name, but 'slack' is a church of the subgenius thing, and no one owns the word. [14:26] alienBOB: You mightw anna hit them up for it again [14:26] Hah [14:26] Listening in is he [14:26] Slackware is Pat's trademark, and acknowledges subgenius. [14:26] alienBOB: they are doing a push on GRF approvals btw [14:26] Right you are bagira [14:26] the whole slackhappy or slackcrappy is not even worth a conversation , who cares [14:27] xsamurai, indeed. [14:27] Agreed. I'll continue doing usefull stuff now [14:27] alienBOB: anyway, the GRF process... hit up staff in #freenode.. see if the GRF still exists.. if it does.. I'd push it through [14:27] kde!! [14:27] you can learn more about what our channel is about by visiting our website, and please don't embarass yourself by failing to present arguments about trademark violations. you will lose. [14:27] Sure [14:27] klein (~klein@unaffiliated/klein) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:27] thrice`: KDE 4.4.5 indeed, almost done now [14:27] \o/ [14:28] here's a more useful link https://www.pay.gov/paygov/ we'z be borke [14:28] Just the gpg sigs to create and the meta files (that takes the longest time) [14:28] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:29] njathan (~njathan@203.115.80.164) joined ##slackware. [14:30] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:30] is there any way to enable UTF-8 in irssi without compiling my own version? [14:30] er. [14:30] KVirc and XChat both display the fonts properly [14:30] utf-8 is enabled in the build [14:30] you have to turn it on in irssi [14:30] that's quite odd, then [14:30] oh ok [14:31] http://www.irssi.org/documentation/faq [14:31] read through that [14:31] thanks [14:31] tidux (1000@c-24-147-6-177.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:31] np [14:32] and miss [14:32] waximum (~waximum@host-90-239-108-107.mobileonline.telia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:34] idle` (~idle@2a01:e35:2f43:4b00:201:c0ff:fe04:c41f) joined ##slackware. [14:35] idle` (~idle@2a01:e35:2f43:4b00:201:c0ff:fe04:c41f) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:35] idle` (~idle@2a01:e35:2f43:4b00:201:c0ff:fe04:c41f) joined ##slackware. [14:36] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [14:36] One final quote to show why Chris Punches is not welcome here: "Every one of them (our administrators, red.) is a willing part of a warfare strategy to promote this change. This is the only way that productive negotiation can be effective with these smaller communities, as it is the only response that we seek." [14:37] I call that bullying. [14:37] Anyway [14:39] What's this about? [14:40] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:41] http://chrispunches.wordpress.com/ [14:42] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:43] switch10_ (~dave@24.206.123.83) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:44] shteev (~shteev@80.47.30.4) joined ##slackware. [14:44] xsamurai: when you say secured. are you talking about the "Encryption Key" entry under iwlist scanning? [14:44] Encryption key:off [14:44] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:44] can anyone tell me how i change my primary monitor when i have a laptop connected to an lcd monitor please? [14:44] it can't be secured, it's a public wifi cafe [14:45] and those who can connect (run windows) and get a accept terms prompt. I believe via the web browser. But you need an IP address in the first place to do tht. [14:45] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:45] shteev: depends on whether you run KDE or another DE [14:45] Action: adrien whispers "dns tunnels" [14:46] I usually do it in xorg.conf [14:47] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:47] i am using the gnome DE at the moment [14:47] auska_ (~auska@152.Red-88-23-14.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:48] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:48] if it is easier to do under kde I will just switch back to that [14:48] ^DEMOSS^ (~^DEMOSS^@93.190.201.165) joined ##slackware. [14:48] <^DEMOSS^> hello [14:48] auska_ (~auska@83.58.137.221) joined ##slackware. [14:49] shteev: there is also the alternative: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/howto/Set+Up+Dual+Monitors+-+xorg.conf [14:49] that is what I used [14:49] <^DEMOSS^> i need help - can yu say me one thing [14:50] <^DEMOSS^> i want start to use slackware - are its so difficult as i hear ? [14:51] yes [14:51] <^DEMOSS^> F@= , [14:51] <^DEMOSS^> why ? [14:51] fatalnix, Thanks for the link [14:51] shteev, I think gnome has a display preference to change that just as easily [14:51] ^DEMOSS^: i'm joking [14:51] <^DEMOSS^> =) [14:51] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [14:51] no problem, just keep in mind that it's not the "easiest" way to do it for most people, but I do not believe in the easy way usually. [14:52] <^DEMOSS^> i know that they have kde ( i like gnome - because use debian) [14:52] ^DEMOSS^: That is a broad question. Everyone here would say Slackware is easier than Debian. [14:53] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [14:53] if you're using the nvidia or ati drivers from the vendor... [14:53] Well most everyone i would guess [14:53] ^DEMOSS^, the biggest hurdle is that there is no 'apt' tool that will help you with dependencies of packages. we like that from a package manager, while many people cannot live without it :> [14:53] you can use their respectful control applications [14:53] <^DEMOSS^> i have Nvidia Fermi [14:54] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:54] i think theres something like nvidia-control and amdccle or something [14:54] <^DEMOSS^> 2xgtx470 sli and core i7 ( 12 gb ddr3 1600 mhz ) and RAID 10 - thats good for slakware ? [14:54] ^DEMOSS^: that's a bit overkill. [14:54] ^DEMOSS^: You will be in charge of your own dependencies though if you get programs from slackbuilds.org it is pretty easy to install stuff. [14:55] rirombo (~rirombo@h11.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:55] I wouldn't even use raid 10 on my servers, even with ~8 disks per server I had running [14:55] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) left irc: Changing host [14:55] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [14:55] <^DEMOSS^> hmm - i do not must compilling core for my computer ? [14:55] and they tell you all the dependencies which are 99.9 percent of the time available on slackbuilds.org too [14:55] losing 2 disks is not worth it for that few of disks lol [14:56] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:56] I just use raid 5 [14:56] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:56] <^DEMOSS^> were i can find more russian pple in IRC for help in slackware ? [14:56] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:56] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:57] <^DEMOSS^> raid 5 not good [14:57] This other slackware channel, is it a new thing? [14:57] ^DEMOSS^: rus-net has a #slackware channel [14:57] ^DEMOSS^: RAID 5 is very good. [14:57] <^DEMOSS^> when the degradate - they hav e a bad perfomance [14:57] ^DEMOSS^: in fact, even RAID5 is easily ovrkill [14:57] ^DEMOSS^: irc.rus-net.org:7770 [14:57] auska_ (auska@83.58.137.221) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:58] <^DEMOSS^> why 7770 o_O [14:58] that is the utf8 port [14:58] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:58] RAID 10 is just RAID 5 with allowing up to two disk failures and two disks are a price for the parity. In fact, I would imagine that RAID 10's performance is WORSE than RAID 5, especially software RAID. [14:59] biker (~biker@187.146.82.36) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:59] <^DEMOSS^> my raid is good [14:59] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:59] not to mention if you only have a few disks you may be doing too much, because RAID 5 will kill your disks faster. [14:59] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [15:00] <^DEMOSS^> yes fatalnix - that is true [15:00] <^DEMOSS^> and raid 5 not safe [15:00] <^DEMOSS^> slackware know my device ? [15:00] RAID 5 is perfectly safe, many data centers use it where hardware raid 10 is not available or too pricy [15:00] <^DEMOSS^> i mean gtx470 and 1366 socket motherboard ? [15:01] raid 10 isn't any better, it's just meant for bigger disk pools. [15:01] <^DEMOSS^> raid 10 - optimal speed and safe [15:01] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [15:01] Hi there [15:01] shteev (~shteev@80.47.30.4) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:01] <^DEMOSS^> 500 gb hard have price 35 dollars [15:02] ^DEMOSS^: you must have some pretty cheap disks [15:02] <^DEMOSS^> i have 6 ( six ) of them [15:02] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-166-242.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:02] the disks I use were about 100 for 36 gigs each or so iirc, I thin they were more originally [15:02] now you can get them for about 50 bucks each [15:03] IBM ultrastar ultra wide scsi I believe [15:03] <^DEMOSS^> scsi - not goofd [15:03] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:03] I'll find the current price [15:03] <^DEMOSS^> i read many information about this [15:03] bagira (~bagira@unaffiliated/bagira) joined ##slackware. [15:03] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/bagira' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:03] bagira kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Punches, you are a "poisonous person" and no longer welcome here. Google it. [15:03] some places are charging only 20 bucks each now, which is good. [15:04] I have ~ 400 GB of 36 GB disks iirc. [15:04] ill find out [15:04] <^DEMOSS^> all tests say - that sata disk ( and SAS ) today is more good that scsi [15:04] really? i was looking for a cheap HD yesterday, here in sweden they are asking $50 for a 160 gb :S its too exepensive [15:04] 504 [15:05] I can get a 300 GB disk for my servers for $900 bucks each. [15:05] well, 880 [15:06] join_slackhappy (~cpunches@72.95.96.226) joined ##slackware. [15:06] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*cpunches@72.95.96.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:06] join_slackhappy kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Punches, you are a "poisonous person" and no longer welcome here. Google it. [15:06] persistent little fella, ain't he? [15:07] lol [15:07] What was it all about? [15:07] just ignore it [15:07] why is the size of everyones HD such a hot topic? [15:07] <^DEMOSS^> and so - what about my Question abot device ? [15:07] Easier than giving it the attention he wants [15:07] boys... always want to talk about how big their... HD is [15:07] auro: the usual sex ,drugs and irc [15:07] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:08] jennifur (~jennifur@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:08] Sometimes we talk about how big other ppl's chassis are.... [15:08] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.32.249.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:09] <^DEMOSS^> i mean gtx470 and 1366 socket motherboard ? [15:09] Action: KaMii thinks people should quit bragging about what kind of hardware you bought. like we care [15:09] maxxx (~maxxx@dxb-b125931.alshamil.net.ae) joined ##slackware. [15:10] scrote (~I@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:10] dvel (~dani@39.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:10] dvel (~dani@39.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Changing host [15:10] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [15:11] well I was just trying to say that it almost sounds like ^DEMOSS^ believes he's the best because he has RAID 10, which is most likely overkill for his setup, but I wouldn't know to be honest unless I knew how it truly was. [15:12] Aidar-Nagato (admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [15:12] ^DEMOSS^: Slackware, like most other Linux distributions, runs on pretty much all hardware, except, sometimes, for really new stuff, until drivers get written. [15:13] Hey bagira/cpunches, you are chicken! Editing your "mission" every time I qoute your insults. Are you afraid of litigation or retaliation? I just call it silly. By all means, continue [15:13] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:13] That's why we have lots of awesome community devs who write their own drivers and distribute them to others in kind :) [15:14] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:14] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:14] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [15:14] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:14] dvel_ (~dani@39.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:14] dvel_ (~dani@39.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Changing host [15:14] dvel_ (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [15:14] maxxx (~maxxx@dxb-b125931.alshamil.net.ae) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:15] fatalnix: I just wish I was smart enough to be able to do that (code drivers). [15:15] slava_dp (~family@212.115.247.161) joined ##slackware. [15:16] I know it, I was reading an article about writing drivers a while ago so I could get a project done with networking via the line in / speaker out :D [15:16] on a sound card [15:16] alienBOB: you're making an ass out of yourself by giving attention to a 2yr old and his website [15:17] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:17] xsamurai: if you say so [15:17] I think alienBOB certainly knows what he is doing. [15:17] But he and I go back a long way, and the way was not paved with gold [15:17] Face it NightTiger you and I will never have enough midichloridans to be able to write drivers... :( [15:17] lolo [15:18] coding drivers isn't too difficult [15:18] making it useful is another story... [15:18] arfon: You might, if you're young enough. It's too late for me. :-) [15:18] at least it doesn't seem difficult, but I've been working on my own OS for robotics usage off and on- it helps to understand how data works, etc [15:18] <--Not young anymore. Getting old sux [15:18] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:19] arfon: how old now? [15:19] 2893963870? [15:19] 43 :( [15:19] haha [15:19] I'll be 22 this sunday [15:19] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [15:19] this sundays the 11th isnt it? [15:19] Where do I send the present? [15:19] Don't need presents [15:20] You like poop in a bag right? [15:20] lmao [15:20] :) [15:20] my father gave someone snowman poop for christmas once I believe [15:21] I'd coat myself right now in snowman poop, should it cool me down. [15:21] What is snowman poop? [15:21] snow, if you have a heated place then use cotton balls [15:21] stick it in a bag [15:22] and give it to someone [15:22] Wow, too much work [15:22] how is that too much work? [15:22] arfon: I'm 58. There's still hope for you. [15:22] Easier to give them a bag of cotton balls... [15:22] snow gets to like 4 and a half feet here sometimes, much more up north in our potato fields. [15:22] The bag gets all wet... It leaks... I'm sure it's a mess [15:23] um [15:23] its not really all that wet [15:23] and how is that a problem? You GAVE it to someone. [15:23] depends on the temperature [15:23] 58??? Why aren't you using puch cards??? [15:23] puch=punch [15:23] Good point Rob [15:23] because fortran is kind of different now [15:24] COBOL isn't :) [15:24] really? [15:24] I havent seen COBOL for years [15:24] OpenCOBOL baby [15:24] borrowed a library book of it in middle school [15:24] I compiled that sucker on Slack a version or two ago. [15:24] they had cobol an fortran [15:24] arfon: I used to use punch cards, long long ago. I've also taught COBOL. [15:25] I asked one of my instructors for a punchcard machine and parts of some old IBM mainframes he might have but he said he got rid of it all two years ago. [15:25] I was sad [15:25] I had some punched cards but never used them.... When I started, we still used ASR-33s and punched tape [15:25] the school's student records are still managed on IBM mainframes [15:26] but this semester or next we're getting updated hardware [15:26] thats what the secretary said or something anyways. [15:26] IBM mainframes are current [15:26] yeah but these are OLD [15:26] old old ones [15:26] Didn't they just debut that hot-water one? [15:26] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:27] I want this [15:27] http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_2423PH1410.html [15:27] I will put slackware on it [15:28] :D [15:28] vehn_z (~vehn_z@85.26.234.202) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:28] <--- On a console connection, cant look :( [15:28] fatalnix: Re not seen COBOL for years... Consider yourself lucky. :-) [15:28] lol [15:29] I still want an HP2000 (HP2164) [15:29] AND an ASR33 [15:29] ...WITH puch-tape [15:29] I feel like going downstairs and getting out the TRS-80's [15:29] and a smoking 300baud acoustic modem. [15:30] poupouslack (~poupousla@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:30] arfon: It's a picture/of a 1960's mainframe that requires a pretty big positive-pressure room. [15:30] 300 baud isn't bad [15:30] how many bits / cycle? [15:30] Borroughs? [15:30] Action: slava_dp has some vintage soviet computers, fun stuff [15:30] Oh, [15:30] and a load of microprocessors :-) [15:30] poupouslack (~poupousla@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [15:30] <--Loves the Z80 [15:30] slava_dp: stole lennins laptop [15:31] I want a sinclair QL [15:31] In Soviet Russia, computers run YOU [15:31] WORST KEYBOARDS EVER [15:31] maybe [15:31] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:31] I have a ZX81 somewhere... and a C= 64, VIC-20 [15:31] rob: Then they melt down and expose the core [15:32] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:32] I was considering finding out how to interface an 8086 or something in a circuit, that' be cool [15:32] I gave away the PDP-11 [15:32] but it'd need a lot more than your normal microprocessor curcuit [15:32] Ran out of space NT? [15:33] Slackware should run on a Z80 [15:33] :D [15:33] You mean SlackCP/M? [15:33] lol [15:34] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Read error: No route to host [15:34] <^DEMOSS^> shit - i cant sea information about irc server/channel for Slackware on russian [15:34] <^DEMOSS^> can you replay that ? [15:35] arfon: That, and my wife explained that "One in, one out. Period" I had 24 going at the time. I'm doing better now - I'm down to a dozen. [15:35] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [15:35] So, your WIFO said FIFO? [15:35] Yep. [15:35] lol [15:36] FIFOFTW [15:36] Although, I kept a 486 for Win31 games... [15:36] <^DEMOSS^> o_O HELP me - can anybody replay information about russian irc server / channel for slackware [15:36] I hate it when that happens.... I have the same problem... 'cept with cars [15:36] <^DEMOSS^> i remember port - 7770 [15:36] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] ^DEMOSS^: um, why do you need one? [15:36] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:37] you see, here you dont ask us questions, we ASK YOU! [15:37] ^DEMOSS^: irc.rus-net.org:7770 [15:37] Nyet Demoss, Yah ne Paruski [15:37] lol kidding [15:37] I am not aware of any russian IRC channel for slackware or a Russian Slackware community lol [15:37] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Should have opene that with "In Soviet IRC..." Fatal [15:38] I should have but I didn't so meh [15:38] :) [15:38] meh [15:39] Slow day in the salt mines today... [15:39] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [15:39] watch out for that salt monster! [15:39] the one that has fingrs that take salt from your body [15:39] <^DEMOSS^> thank you [15:39] and has lots of hair and looks really old, also a shapeshifter [15:40] Only some of you would probably get the reference [15:40] ^DEMOSS^: You're welcome. We are actually helpful, but reserve the right to have fun. :-) [15:41] fatalnix: Reference? What reference? I didn't see any reference... [15:41] I don't get it (The Man Trap)... What are you talking about (Star Trek). I'm lost (STOS). [15:42] Star Trek - Season 1, Episode 1, the seccond episode in other words. [15:42] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:42] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:42] yes [15:42] Wut? [15:42] the Man trap [15:42] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Star Trek began with episode #0. [15:42] <^DEMOSS^> =) [15:42] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-166-242.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:42] which was aptain pike [15:42] captain* [15:42] <^DEMOSS^> know russian some ))) ( little ) [15:43] <^DEMOSS^> & [15:43] I THINK you are wrong.... There was Pike's Pilot and then Kirk's pilot.... [15:43] The Pike in a wheelchair and Kirk on a green chick... [15:43] The=Then [15:44] And Picard having some tea. :p [15:44] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-166-242.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:44] <^DEMOSS^> NightTiger i want thing that you say truth [15:45] can anyone build and try to run preload from SBo? it doesn't run for me, says the config file is empty. (which it actually is, but shouldn't be). [15:45] <^DEMOSS^> russian and pple of channel debian\ ubunta i s not so helpfull and fun ) [15:46] <^DEMOSS^> and they not like my english - because it bad [15:46] Demoss, you type better than most of my co-workers speak. [15:46] fatalnix_ (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] (but, that's not really a compliment) :( [15:47] You will learn, or you will be ignored until you get better. It is the Way of the Web this century. I had to learn German when I lived in Hamburg, and a LOT of people were patient with me. I return the favour. [15:47] laptop battery died lol [15:47] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:47] fatalnix_: I *hate* that. [15:47] Nick change: fatalnix_ -> fatalnix [15:48] I knew it would happen [15:49] gotta find out wtf is up with the desktop [15:50] <^DEMOSS^> 8( i have a problem [15:50] <^DEMOSS^> Closing Link: ^DEMOSS^[unknown@93.190.201.165] (K-lined: Manticore (Your nick, authentication info or other information matched one of the known trojan patterns)) [15:50] motzmo (~x0a@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:f079:aa08:763e) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:50] demoss, you can try to change your nick [15:50] <^DEMOSS^> what want this network ? why i cant connect it ? [15:50] Dalnet is a pain like that, if I keep trying, eventually one of the servers lets me in. [15:51] Try another server [15:51] <^DEMOSS^> o_O it is my nick on more IRC (((( [15:51] njathan (~njathan@203.115.80.164) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:51] demoss, try irc.tomsk.net [15:52] Try /nick That_Russian_dude [15:52] ^DEMOSS^: There is nothing wrong with using different names on different IRC nets. I have a few myself... [15:52] Action: troy uses irc.kde.org out of habit :P [15:53] NT, are you Hot27 on Undernet? [15:53] ^DEMOSS^: did you try rus-net? [15:53] I pretty much just use fatalnix [15:53] YES YES YES! [15:53] Not on undernet. I'm derekm or dtm on the others. [15:53] my desktop is up [15:53] :) [15:53] Just yankin your chain NT [15:54] <^DEMOSS^> not like my nick 8( [15:54] I've been on this network since 1997 or so... yay for firstname nicks :P [15:54] <^DEMOSS^> Closing Link: DEMOSS[unknown@93.190.201.165] (K-lined: Manticore (Your nick, authentication info or other information matched one of the known trojan patterns)) [15:54] <^DEMOSS^> * !>548=5=85 @07>@20=> (#40;5==0O <0H8=0 70:@K;0 A>:5B). [15:54] <^DEMOSS^> oO [15:55] troy: oh? where's your horse? [15:55] i don't know [15:55] wooden horse * [15:55] fatalnix: it's inside me - and there are greeks running around in my bloodstream [15:55] ^DEMOSS^: That shows a Cryllic to me, but I don't understand any more. (I took Russian at University in 1980). [15:55] lol [15:55] Demoss, you could always look up the webpage for that IRC network and contact them for the answer.... [15:56] <^DEMOSS^> arfon ?? [15:56] Demoss ?? [15:56] <^DEMOSS^> oh, i understand what are you write ) [15:57] Demoss, all of the irc networks that I know of have a webpage, usually they will have links to HELP. They might be able to tell you what is wrong. [15:59] <^DEMOSS^> not working [15:59] <^DEMOSS^> web gate not working 8( [15:59] Tsooi (~scruffy@ti0125a380-0340.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [15:59] <^DEMOSS^> in my Opera and other brouser [16:00] <^DEMOSS^> It working onli IE 4.0 or hight o_O [16:00] motzmo (~x0a@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:f97c:ad65:ff1c) joined ##slackware. [16:01] I'm at a loss then Demoss. [16:01] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:02] wait a tic - IE 4.0? wow [16:02] Anyone familiar with linking up a thrid distro to a lilo.conf file? The problem is linking the kernel image, and the image is located on a different harddrive, and I do not know what I have done wrong with the lilo.conf file for it to not work. I get the error when updating to MBR: "Warning: The boot sector and map files are on different disks" [16:02] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:03] alright [16:03] so now I have to set up NFS and I have my NAS desktop working :D [16:03] Action: troy doesn't mess with lilo [16:03] argh! 3-1 [16:03] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] Nederlands? [16:04] jep [16:04] Germany all the way... [16:04] What partitions are your OSes on Troy? [16:04] arfon: / and /home :P [16:04] No, sda1 sda2, etc? [16:05] I run all other distros under VirtualBox [16:05] PFFT! Good luck, no clue with VBox [16:05] sda1, sda2 - no swap [16:05] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:06] Wait, if you are running Vbox, I assume you CANT boot rigth to another distro...?? Don't you need the host distro running? [16:06] <-never played with Vbox, just VM [16:06] arfon: yes :) [16:06] but my laptop runs two OSes simultaneously just fine [16:07] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-70-164.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:07] I don't think you can use one LILO to boot both your host OS and virtuakl OSes. [16:07] no, you can't :P I don't use lilo to do that [16:07] I only have one OS in lilo [16:07] Maybe I don't understand your setup [16:07] hence: "23:01 * troy doesn't mess with lilo [16:08] if I need other oses, I run them under virtualbox, which doesn't require me touching lilo, etc. [16:08] Can you repeat what you are trying to do? [16:08] the linux administration handbook is so useful [16:09] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-39-165.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:10] last used NFS years ago on FreeBSD. so apparently I need mountd and nfsd? [16:12] troy, do you have your qt 4.7 patch by chance? or, is there a second beta do soon-ish? [16:13] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:13] hang on - I'll ask the release maintainer :P [16:13] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:13] they should have announced final 4.7 for akademy - would have been appropriate :p [16:14] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] thrice`: it's not ready yet [16:14] blahblah [16:14] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [16:14] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] thrice`: ping alienBOB perhaps - he probably cleaned up the buildscript to make it suck less [16:14] <^DEMOSS^> how i can set IDENT ? [16:15] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] <^DEMOSS^> Closing Link: DEMOSS[unknown@93.190.201.165] [16:15] <^DEMOSS^> why UNKNOW ? how i can set up this option ? [16:15] run identd - and make sure you aren't behind a router [16:15] or if you are, forward the ports [16:16] Tsooi (~scruffy@ti0125a380-0340.bb.online.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:16] <^DEMOSS^> i have statik IP [16:16] <^DEMOSS^> 93.190.201.165 [16:16] thrice`: my sekrit advisors tell me that beta2 is probably on tuesday or so - and final in august [16:17] tuesday meaning today? :P [16:17] troy: I have not had time for Qt 4.7 [16:17] I don't know... they didn't specify :P [16:17] Just finished building KDE 4.4.5 with Qt 4.6.3 [16:17] I'm quite intrigued by it's supposed decrease in resource use [16:17] <^DEMOSS^> can i be disconnected if my IP adress in A record on my domen ? [16:17] <^DEMOSS^> domine [16:17] from the push for mobile stuff [16:18] <^DEMOSS^> f1.ptz.ru = record type A = 93.190.201.165 [16:18] alienBOB: I really only need someone to test building for x86, and probably fixing the filename of the output package [16:19] alienBOB: I didn't really know what to call the output package, so I stabbed at the dark :P [16:20] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:22] ^DEMOSS^: Perhaps the problem is that "host 93.190.201.165" returns "Host 165.201.190.93.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)" I.e. no PTR record ? [16:22] francog (francog@pdpc/supporter/professional/francog) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:22] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:23] <^DEMOSS^> oO [16:24] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:25] <^DEMOSS^> in rpa record [16:25] <^DEMOSS^> oO [16:26] <^DEMOSS^> what i can do ? [16:26] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:28] troy: in a Slackware package, the VERSION part must never contain a dash, that's it basically what needed to change [16:28] tekzilla (~jon@d129219.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:28] <^DEMOSS^> NightTiger how you find this info ? [16:28] alienBOB: I will know this for the future :) [16:28] Usually Slackware uses a construct lke $(echo $VERSION | tr - _) in the makepkg commandline [16:29] eew, ${VERSION/-/_} works nicer :> [16:29] tekzilla (~jon@d013041.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:29] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-5-55.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:30] has anyone attempted knetworkmanager yet? [16:30] thrice`: a bashism I like to avoid [16:31] afk|Roin (~florian@p5B2BEFB1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [16:31] thrice`: well, it requires networkmanager :P [16:31] ^DEMOSS^: I just typed the command "host 93.190.201.165" to see what it would say. [16:31] thrice`: correction - beta2 should have been released today (direct from maintainer's mouth) [16:31] troy, which is on SBo these days :> [16:31] <^DEMOSS^> NightTiger [16:31] alienBOB, fair enough :) [16:31] <^DEMOSS^> were are you typing it ? [16:31] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:32] alienBOB: probably disregard that beta1 buildscript - I'll give you one for beta2 tomorrow without the patch I added :) [16:32] troy, ah, cool - perhaps it won't require any patching [16:32] ^DEMOSS^: At a command-line. [16:32] 23:29 < thiago_akademy> troy: yes, the beta should've been released today [16:32] In an xterm [16:32] 23:30 < thiago_akademy> troy: apparently it didn't happen [16:32] thrice`: we'll see :) [16:33] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430275.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:34] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-30.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Deuces. [16:36] ^DEMOSS^: There is a LOT of documentation available to be read; one VERY handy one is http://slackbook.org/translations.html [16:36] <^DEMOSS^> NightTiger it is my white ip - it must not have a dns [16:36] <^DEMOSS^> in addr arpa [16:37] ^DEMOSS^: The ISP should provide "Reverse DNS" for static IP addresses, or (if you are VERY lucky), allow you to do so. I would kill to have my own rDNS... [16:40] hello, any claws-mail aficionados here? [16:42] sylpheed [16:43] Basically, I'm trying to get the output of sig.sh to display as signature in claws-mail, like it works in slrn [16:43] Nick change: fredoslack -> error [16:43] may work similar [16:44] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:45] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:45] hey, does anyone know a command to format a CD? i just had a major brain fart... [16:45] dvel_ (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:46] gniks (~sking@24.238.12.206) joined ##slackware. [16:46] uh, depends what you mean by "format", a CD is not like a regular read-write FS. [16:47] delete every thing on it for re-use... [16:47] wipe [16:47] blank [16:47] man cdrecord [16:47] <^DEMOSS^> i download slackware64_13_1 [16:47] <^DEMOSS^> DVD - good ? [16:48] right, sorry. I opened up terminal earlier then -- crickets [16:48] <^DEMOSS^> NightTiger ypo want say - that i do not have revers DNS ? [16:49] <^DEMOSS^> and my ISP MUST do it for me ? [16:49] cdrecord -help ; cdrecord blank=help [16:50] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:50] ISP MUST nothing, sadly. Thet *should*, but do not *have* to. :-( [16:50] <^DEMOSS^> shiiiiiit [16:50] <^DEMOSS^> i wana kill my ISP [16:50] Ask them politely, and remember to say "Please"... [16:51] lol [16:51] Are you allowed to run servers? [16:51] I am trying to mount an nfs partition and it's hanging [16:52] <^DEMOSS^> i can call general director and say : " hello mihail, i need some help - can you give me rDNS for my IP ... i cant goodworking if do not have that...." =) [16:52] ah connection timed outheh [16:52] I don't see anything in the logs as if the nfs daemon is starting or not, I'm not sure, its not showing on nmap [16:52] fatalnix: Check for a typo in the mount command. Did you restart services after file edits? [16:53] if it's hanging, then the issue is in networking. [16:53] I actually rebooted:) had to fix lilo [16:53] ^DEMOSS^: Or you could suggest they have rDNS for the entire block of IPs... then they need not worry again. [16:53] likely a firewall issue. if nfs wasn't set up properly, or there was a permission issue with the export, you'd get an error message right away [16:54] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:54] hi ? [16:54] Barnabyh_ (~Barnabyh@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:54] Hello, error. (Never thought I'd say _that_) [16:54] heh there was a typo, but it's not making any difference, I'm starting to think nfs isn't starting and not telling me [16:54] hello [16:54] )à [16:54] =) [16:54] Barnabyh (~Barnabyh@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Disconnecting... [16:54] error (fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). 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[17:02] 2it appears that rc.rpc doesnt start nfsd [17:02] so I did it manually [17:02] which makes sense [17:03] because you need the others if you want an nfs client [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-190.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] heh, at least this time I got mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.0.21:/usr/home :D [17:03] Ah, no worries, I sorted the command as signature thing out [17:04] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/bagira expired. [17:04] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/bagira' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:04] x-ip_ (~lain@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:05] lain_ (~lain@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:05] troy (~troy@conference/akademy/x-ldzgrmuytjwvzerm) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:07] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*cpunches@72.95.96.* expired. [17:07] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*cpunches@72.95.96.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:07] weird. I got the address in /etc/exports correct, and I commented out all of the hosts.allow / hosts.deny rules just to be sure right now, and I still get access denied for the nfs mount [17:07] what is your exports line [17:08] /usr/home 192.168.0.20(rw) [17:09] and you are trying to connect as - root ? [17:09] I have to, I don't have mount allowable for normal users. [17:09] what are the permissions on /usr/home ? forget that - WHY is home in usr ? [17:10] that's not usualy [17:10] *usual [17:10] how can one stop cron emailing root? [17:10] slava_dp (~family@212.115.247.161) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [17:11] dustybin: stop the script from generating output. Any output gets emailed to root. [17:11] drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 6 2010-07-06 16:01 home/ [17:11] and you can mount it okay ? [17:11] 1> /dev/null [17:11] personally speaking, I find it rather useful to at least get the output of stderr [17:11] 2> /dev/null [17:12] the /usr/home thing is more of a BSD thing, you're right, it isn't usual, it has it's advantages though. [17:12] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:12] and disadvantages [17:12] who is getting the access denied [17:13] for nfs? me [17:13] yes... who. [17:13] I'm exporting NFS from 192.168.0.21 to 192.168.0.20, my laptop. [17:13] *who*, right, who, is getting access denied [17:14] well it would haveto be root I'd guess, since i'm using sudo to mount with [17:14] so.. are you able to mount it okay [17:14] 2x [17:15] with nfs? no. [17:16] what does the log say [17:17] http://pastebin.com/JKknTi5k [17:18] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-70-164.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:18] identd failed. can these boxes communicate over TCP 113 ? [17:18] NFS tries to get the userid of the connecting machine, and fails [17:19] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [17:19] since that is how NFS determines what user this is, it is rather essential [17:19] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:19] port 113 is open [17:19] hi [17:19] you also need to specify no root squash with the export options, as it is on by default, and therefore does not allow you to share root-to-root [17:20] cybergirl (~cybergirl@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:20] hmm [17:20] man mount.nfs :) [17:20] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:21] cybergirl (~cybergirl@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [17:22] I dont really see anything like that in that manual, what do you mean no root squash? [17:22] <^DEMOSS^> 64% [17:22] <^DEMOSS^> H5 HK CDK= HBK5D44 ,, DK D 2C8HDB , [17:22] <^DEMOSS^> is it easy to install ? As a debian ? [17:23] oh I see what you mean [17:23] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [17:23] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:23] <^DEMOSS^> **(sorry but i dunno how say it right 8( [17:24] lol [17:24] um yes, I did mean man exports there, but it is sort of assumed that you KNOW what that says. [17:24] I figured halfwhat [17:24] anc (~anc@216.59.33.89) joined ##slackware. [17:24] thats why it was confoosing :D [17:25] alienBOB: hi [17:25] anc (anc@216.59.33.89) left ##slackware ("so ignore me then asshole"). [17:26] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:26] damn [17:26] no difference [17:26] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-eqjrymumahothpmo) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:26] hmz [17:27] <^DEMOSS^> *) it is mine http://f1.ptz.ru/files/mesto.jpg [17:29] <^DEMOSS^> *) it is mine http://f1.ptz.ru/files/klava.jpg [17:29] O.O [17:29] doe sthat mouse say ,,,,, MICROSOFT?! [17:30] <^DEMOSS^> yes 1.1a [17:30] <^DEMOSS^> ) [17:30] ... [17:31] can I use this picture as an excuse not to clean my room? [17:31] :D [17:31] <^DEMOSS^> do all things as you want ) [17:32] NightTiger (~derekm@2001:470:1d:e4:216:17ff:fe3b:21d0) left irc: Quit: NightTiger [17:32] lol [17:32] I was kidding [17:32] my room is a huge mess [17:32] and one of my friends opened my frigging box of packing peanuts [17:32] ... [17:32] eeww is that gnome? [17:32] <^DEMOSS^> do you want to sea super-mega-non-cleaning-room-of-TRUE-russian-engineer ?????? [17:33] and synaptic wtf [17:33] more like EW is this an LCD monitor? [17:33] lol [17:33] <^DEMOSS^> it is LED [17:33] let me rephrase [17:33] EW is this NOT a CRT monitor? [17:34] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) left irc: Quit: Saindo [17:34] <^DEMOSS^> EW ? [17:34] <^DEMOSS^> what is this ? [17:34] I do not like small screens like that [17:34] wel, the screen itself is big [17:34] <^DEMOSS^> and answere for my pre-last question )) [17:34] but not the monitor if you know what I mean [17:35] <^DEMOSS^> do you want to sea super-mega-non-cleaning-room-of-TRUE-russian-engineer ?????? [17:35] ^DEMOSS^: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgust [17:35] eeww;^ [17:35] <^DEMOSS^> ) [17:36] <^DEMOSS^> oh - i understand you ) [17:36] <^DEMOSS^> it is emotion ) [17:37] <^DEMOSS^> http://album.karelia.ru/album.php?uid=6056&photo=191&city=ptz - click on centr picture - thats allow you see next picture [17:38] <^DEMOSS^> it is my house ) [17:39] ArTourter (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:40] <^DEMOSS^> http://album.karelia.ru/album.php?uid=6056&city=ptz at start you can see my 2 mega monsters ) [17:40] Are you inviting them around? [17:41] <^DEMOSS^> i like configurate and make new computers - it is a part of my BIG hobbi )) [17:41] SpartanVI (~spartan@adsl-176-2-50.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:41] ...lol [17:43] I find it very weird that I am still getting access denied. unless my exports line is wrong, this is what I have: /usr/home 192.168.0.20(rw no_root_squash) [17:43] windows vista :) [17:43] DO NOT FOUL MOUTH [17:43] in this channel [17:43] :D [17:43] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] demoss photo showing win vista lolz [17:43] just saying [17:43] <^DEMOSS^> o_O [17:43] vista is a bad word [17:43] <^DEMOSS^> i do not have vista [17:43] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [17:43] and never say it again [17:43] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:44] <^DEMOSS^> were are you sea vista ? [17:44] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:44] <^DEMOSS^> show me that [17:44] http://album.karelia.ru/album.php?uid=6056&photo=178&city=ptz [17:44] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:44] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [17:45] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:45] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:45] <^DEMOSS^> crashdata lol - find it in google "demoss edition" [17:45] blasphemy j/k :) [17:45] ahh no worries [17:45] <^DEMOSS^> it is mine windows xp sp3 BLACK edition ) [17:45] I think I will write my own filesysyetm for my little os project [17:45] because nothing stored will be critical, I will make it very simple in trms that, it would be written to like a tape :) [17:46] which is fine, because that way if I want to put a new file in, I can just write over something less important [17:46] ^DEMOSS^: so far we know that you use xp, and a debian based distro. what about Slackware? [17:46] <^DEMOSS^> sahko 97% download it [17:46] kind of inefficient but that's how it goes when you temporarily need to store some data. [17:47] jonatan (~jonatan@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:47] ^DEMOSS^: nice. read the links on the channel topic. eg. slackbook.org etc [17:47] <^DEMOSS^> 100% download - how i can record it on my DVD-RW ? [17:48] whatever rocks your boat [17:48] my netbook screenshot [17:48] http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8053/screenshotba.png [17:48] :) [17:49] you should also try out linux 1.0! [17:49] :D [17:49] if you have the special hardware for it [17:50] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:51] <^DEMOSS^> THIS is pretty good http://fatihoryantasyon.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/slackware_12_coffee_man.jpg [17:51] <^DEMOSS^> can i do that in my slackware ??? [17:51] yup [17:52] heh [17:52] nice wallpaper, crash [17:52] thanks :)... i had kde netbook remix on it before..but to much of a resource hug [17:53] <^DEMOSS^> i find pocket for record DVD 8) [17:54] Uh, I can imagine [17:54] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] yup, even with a 2GB memory [17:55] <^DEMOSS^> i am not longer use linux, but i lern new lesson's wery fast *) if you help me some of cause ) [17:55] has anybody here ever had a working 32bit chroot environment on a 64-bit system? [17:55] <^DEMOSS^> 64 bit have a problem ? [17:55] Yep [17:55] @MarkT [17:55] I'd guess quite a bit of people :p [17:55] lauanana (~lauanana@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:56] rworkman, btw, I've been using your new x.org packs for about 3 weeks without any problems :> not sure if you were after feedback or not [17:56] thrice`: I was; thanks! [17:56] Good to hear that [17:56] lauanana (~lauanana@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [17:56] You've been checking for updates periodically? [17:56] the intel driver is quite an improvement [17:57] every few days, yes [17:57] k [17:57] thrice`: how did you know about 4.4.5 hours earlier? rss? [17:57] I don't notice any difference here, but glad you do :) [17:57] I usually test with kwin effects, which are more tolerable than before :) [17:57] sahko, no, I just got home from work, and syncing alienBOB's packages :) [17:58] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:58] ah, k [17:59] can I chroot to a 32-bit environment and still communicate with a 64-bit x server? [17:59] you can [18:00] hmmm... that might be the way to go then. [18:00] At what point did gnome take over maintenance of libnotify? :/ [18:00] chroot 64-> 32 is possible the reverse is not [18:00] MarkT-: why do you need that? [18:00] rworkman: because I don't want to replace my 64 bit libs with 32 bit compat ones. I had stability issues the last time I did that. [18:00] tsccof (~tsccof@201-35-157-177.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:01] every so often, I would encounter programs that had linked against the wrong version of a library [18:01] Sure, I understand that. I'm just curious as to why you need 32bit stuff at all [18:02] because adobe reader is 32 bit only. [18:02] Oh, use evince. [18:02] (have you tried it?) [18:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430275.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] I think I used evince once [18:02] MarkT-: evince rules. [18:02] I wasnt happy with it [18:03] probably because xpdf owns you all! [18:03] It might not be a solution for everyone, but it does what I want quite well. [18:03] lol [18:03] MarkT-: are you the one who wanted better printing support? [18:04] fatalnix: xpdf has issues too... [18:04] pupit: I know it [18:05] fatalnix: well, my printer works just fine in Linux.... it's just I'm finding working with pdfs to be a bit of a nuisance right now. [18:05] Turkey burgers tonight I guess, not bad [18:05] not as good as the hamburgers but still not bad [18:05] lpr works nicely with pdf's I believe [18:06] if you use postscript then you can do some awesome stuff with it. [18:06] there are applications like psbook, etc I believe [18:06] for manipulating postscript documents, that is [18:06] lpr works great... except that I can't specify a range of pages to print with it. [18:07] theres a tool for that for ps I believe [18:07] ^DEMOSS^ (~^DEMOSS^@93.190.201.165) left irc: Quit: ^DEMOSS^ [18:07] the funny thing is [18:07] evince will let you do that [18:07] postscript and pdf are a bit near the same, but postscript isn't already compiled either, it's just sent to the printer to be interpreted iirc [18:08] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [18:08] egad... evince works! [18:08] I think that might have been _THE_ last possible pdf option that was left to me.... [18:08] Of course it does :) [18:08] Kumul (~Kumul@adsl-72-50-74-134.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] okular works fine here [18:09] let fight [18:09] okular is great for viewing, but blows for printing. [18:09] lets [18:09] It adds a margin to the top and left of each page [18:09] which can cause stuff to get shoved off the bottom or right [18:10] oh.. printing.. sorry, never tried that :$ [18:10] oh by the way, I was curious if there's a way without hacking the sources to make it so when wpa_supplicant changes networks, connects to a network, etc or wicd, then it would execute a script. [18:10] without me having to write a daemon to watch iwconfig [18:10] ip-up is your game [18:11] hmm, interesting [18:12] Yeah I wanted to do automatic nfs mounts / unmounts and other nifty things when I take my laptop around, I forgot what my original idea I wanted to use it for was [18:13] oh yes, my school has a hotspot you have to log into.. [18:13] well, until they make a color display capable of updating as quickly as I can flip through pages in a book and and doesn't amount to the the same thing as reading while staring into a flashlight, I expect I'm going to continue to need to have stuff I expect to spend prolonged times reading put in print instead of just reading them onscreen. [18:13] MarkT-: ++ [18:14] Action: MarkT- rereads what he wrote and notes he used "expect" too many times in that sentence. [18:14] MarkT-: consider getting a good e-reader. I lurrrv mine. [18:14] best invention since printed text [18:14] I believe that's more of video <- cpu processing lag [18:14] latency I mena [18:14] mean* [18:15] color ereaders have the same problem as monitors. [18:15] at least right now. [18:16] if you are really *reading*, you need neither color nor speed. you need good readability. I have excellent readability on mine. [18:16] that's supposed to change later this year or next, but hey... I'm still living in the present, not the future. [18:16] you know, with words [18:16] the monitors are fast. unless you're using an old LCD [18:16] fatal, if you specifically want to have wpa_supplicant launch this you can use wpa_cli [18:16] think about how fast games have to update the frames during a vsync [18:16] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.46.252) joined ##slackware. [18:17] well I figured wpa_supplicant because wicd uses wpa_supplicant [18:17] and I use both depending if its a static machine or not [18:17] oh, wicd has its own set of post connection scripting [18:17] you can specify a file to be run after a connect [18:18] adaptr: color isn't needed for the text, but it's often needed for diagrams, and especially color plates. [18:18] unless i smoketh the crack, it's been a while since i let wicd screw up my connections... [18:18] wonder if it works on perl scripts [18:18] heh [18:18] So yeah... I expect color in an ereader, [18:18] well if it is only bash the bash script can be a wrapper to perl! be creative [18:18] MarkT-: um.. you can't read color [18:18] images, I mean [18:18] I use it to read books, with words :) [18:19] switch10_ (~dave@24.206.123.83) joined ##slackware. [18:19] true [18:19] switch10_ (~dave@24.206.123.83) left irc: Client Quit [18:19] heh, I could have it bootstrap a set of gameservers when I head over to my buds house [18:19] I would use it to read scientific articles and computer texts, which often have accompanying diagrams to illustrate the points that are being presented. [18:19] fatalnix, wicd's optionis "run script after connect" or similar... [18:20] mancha: yes, that would require something more.. academical :P [18:20] bah [18:20] MarkT-: see my nickfail [18:20] If I only needed an ereader for fiction, I probably wouldn't really want color that badly. [18:21] color can help sometimes [18:21] switch10_ (~dave@24.206.123.83) joined ##slackware. [18:21] but a lot of older textbooks I have dont have any [18:21] or its all brown and black lol [18:21] fatalnix: man wicd-wired-settings.conf [18:21] and white [18:21] um... you divide the printed universe into "academical" and "fiction" ? hahaha [18:21] look at afterscript= :) [18:22] Are you the one who got kicked out of barnes and noble for moving the bibles to the fiction section? [18:22] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:22] it specifically says "bourne-compatible" and the folling is: #!/bin/bash\n/usr/bin/perl my-perl-file.pl [18:23] :) [18:23] adaptr: pretty much, yup. [18:23] so.. you think history and descriptive texts are fiction, too [18:23] biographies [18:23] replay (replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left ##slackware. [18:23] cookbooks? [18:23] no, history would be academic [18:23] cookbooks would be reference, which is academic. [18:24] i think my energy helpin fatalnix is being wasted. [18:24] Action: mancha stops [18:24] mancha: "academic", to my understanding, requires peer review. [18:24] nickfailboat :( [18:24] how long's this gonna last... :( [18:24] I forgot that damn command to update your man page database [18:24] I always forget it [18:24] it takes forever though [18:25] well, you were the one to use the term academic first, and it seemed to mostly fit, but if I were to more precisely name the category I'd call it "informative". [18:26] you said "scientific articles", I equate that with academical :) [18:26] ArTourter (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:26] let's drop it, before mancha throws wobbler due to my misnicking [18:27] well yes, but one could generalize that further to include many forms of non-fiction... not all of which would be subject to peer review, as you put it. [18:27] Snickmissing [18:27] I just rammed my pinky toe into a 2U server, and I'm always the one arguing with people to put shoes on [18:27] anyways, I print stuff right now because monitors suck for reading for prolonged periods. [18:28] that they do. even quite good ones [18:28] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:28] ereaders are better because they don't hurl superfluous photons into your eyeballs, but for the pages that have color, they are lacking. [18:28] Also, they are too small. [18:28] I think a lot of people (including I) have a much better time reading from a physical book than on a screen. [18:29] especially in sunlight [18:29] I would want an a4 or letter sized display. [18:29] i'd like something that would be easy to use with a single hand [18:29] ipad: the new ereader [18:29] I am back... [18:29] how are those things anyways [18:29] I heard they jailbroke them in like a week [18:30] just wanted to speak to alienBOB, if possible. [18:30] the ipad still works by emitting light into your eyes. [18:30] meh [18:30] it's just light [18:30] clochette (~clochette@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:31] I kind of think CRT's are better for you [18:31] yeah, but your pupils are already dilated to accomodate the ambient light... throwing more light into them is just going to tire your eyes. [18:31] because even with new LCD's you don't see it, but the LCD's still blur. [18:31] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [18:31] and I do read CRT's easier for some reason [18:31] as you bathe in the soft glow of the cathode tube radiation [18:31] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:32] you should use the lcd at its native resolution and if you can't see the blur, doesn't that mean its not blurry? [18:32] it is not unsafe [18:32] it is still within the human light spectrum [18:32] Skywise: crts haven't had harmful radiation from them in about 20 years. [18:32] clochette (~clochette@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [18:32] actually, more... [18:33] probably more like about 30 now. [18:33] as if we understand physiology enough to say such a thing [18:33] the flickering of CRTs hurt more than the radiations [18:33] while its unlikely to be harmful, i'd never say it wasn't considering the energies involved [18:33] unless you have a very nice(expensive) CRT [18:33] and Skywise just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there, your brain can see things you can't [18:34] I have a nice flatscreen 22" CRT [18:34] best colors I've ever seen [18:34] best brightness I've ever seen too [18:34] CRT? [18:34] i had one of those back in the 90s [18:34] yes. [18:34] mako-sama: the flickering tends to increase eye fatigue, which isn't actually bad for your eyes, but it can cause other things like migraines. [18:34] i prefer my lcd [18:34] but i dunno, maybe not all lcds are built equally [18:34] I dont get headaches unless something wrong with my blood circulation [18:35] MarkT-: it is bad for the eyes... who said that eyes fatigue isn't bad? [18:35] i have a view sonic xv2200 [18:35] if I eat a shitload of sodium sometimes I get a minor headache [18:35] er vx2200 [18:35] but thats it [18:35] and cigarettes dont kill [18:35] bye, and have a nice evening everybody ! [18:35] LJS (frank@79.84.8.98) left ##slackware. [18:36] the problem with the flickering is about going into epilepsy shock or whateve its called [18:36] and having siezures [18:36] a fit [18:36] it's not harmful to the eyes unless you sit a couple feet away from the monitor [18:36] mako-sama: I never said it wasn't bad... I just said it wasn't actually bad for the eyes. It doesn't harm the retina at all. [18:36] I'm usually about 4 feet from mine at least. [18:36] my laptop's a different story obviously. [18:37] fatalnix, would you perhaps be interested in a mitsubishi diamondscan 20lp CRT i have? [18:37] I think getting tired after staring at the monitor for 18 hrs is quite normal :) [18:37] it has vga and composite inputs [18:37] Skywise: that's a heavy one.. I had one of them [18:37] staring at anything can do that [18:38] yeah about 75lbs [18:38] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [18:38] but it's nowhere as heavy as my Philips CRT [18:38] lol [18:38] did you know that staring at anything for a prolonged period of time can damage your eyes? [18:38] You have one of them, the Diamondscan were good [18:38] ESPECIALLY BOOKS. [18:38] fatalnix: depends on the intensity of what you are looking at. [18:38] it's because you are focusing your muscles and eyes on one thing for so long [18:38] it strains them [18:39] games of course [18:39] MarkT-: well I didnt say how long [18:39] Shooters and Thief [18:39] MarkT-: it doesnt matter what intensity, it will eventually happen if you stare long enough [18:39] lol [18:39] what about all the staring we do while sleeping [18:40] fatalnix: yes, your eyes will tire if you stare long enough... but it doesn't do any permanent damage unless the intensity is above a certain amount. [18:40] korg815 (~korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:40] and how does one define intensity? [18:40] gniks: with ninja turtles. [18:40] I literally had pain back then at the back of the eys [18:40] the muscles [18:41] objectively, it can be equated to the number of photons passing through the pupil per unit of time. [18:41] this is all funny [18:41] lulz& so you mean the brightness :p [18:41] because even when your eyes are closed, you can see and are looking around [18:41] well, brightness implies white. [18:41] imagine if you didnt have eyelids? [18:42] thats like arguing that light is a wave or a particle [18:42] and you had to sleep and didnt have a blindfold [18:42] some people do it [18:42] its fucking scary lol [18:42] fatalnix: sleep face-down [18:42] I have heard of some people who sleep with at least one eye open [18:42] yeah, they are usually mafia [18:42] at least ?!? and up to ...three ? [18:42] ... [18:43] lol [18:43] it happens to me you know [18:43] yes, we have at least 1 eyes [18:43] anyways, for shades of grey, intensity is probably equivalent to brightness. [18:43] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [18:43] probably? you don't sound so sure [18:43] did you now that the more white pixels on your CRT monitor you have, the more power you are wasting? [18:44] so dark screens use less watts [18:44] red can be bright or dim as well [18:44] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [18:44] kinda neat [18:44] gniks: I'm not sure because it's not a term I would be inclined to normally use. [18:45] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:45] erk (~erk@dsl-185-164-152.dynamic.wa.co.za) joined ##slackware. [18:45] then why use it now, to bash a product? [18:45] if it was a legit argument, you would have done your research and have this all thought out already :) [18:46] fatalnix: that's complete nonsense, unless you're using a variable-output LED backlight. [18:46] I CAN HAS VISIBLE PROPER ARGS? [18:46] fatalnix: note that computer monitors don't really tend to have those yet [18:46] gniks: I was using the term with respect to what fatalnix said about staring at something for a long time, not with respect to bashing a product. [18:46] adaptr: no its not, do you know how a CRT works? [18:46] you have three electron guns [18:46] a Red, Blue, and Green one [18:47] fatalnix: are we talking about CRTs ? you mean you still *have* CRTs ? [18:47] thats why when the green one fails you have purple tinted monitors [18:47] hey guys [18:47] yes [18:47] I still use my 22" CRT [18:47] thanks for letting me back into this room :-) [18:47] works better than any LCD I've even seen [18:47] why did you leave erk? :p [18:47] the room was banned for south africa [18:47] er couldnt handle my lolcats [18:47] weird [18:47] erk: no, it was not. [18:47] so that's probably why you forced them to use debian for ubuntu [18:48] which i think is a pleasure [18:48] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:48] considering the disfunkts politics [18:48] i keep this a secret -_- [18:48] vivible secret now, not a secret anymore [18:48] but yes when you want to make a brighter color you are sending mor epower through the electron guns of a CRT [18:49] yep [18:49] still about crt-s... [18:49] bbl [18:49] lol [18:49] i have three crts [18:49] I saw a 50" CRT TV for the taking in NH [18:49] i no longer have CRTs [18:49] on craigslist [18:50] that pute they made in pirates of silicon valley is sexy [18:50] pute? [18:50] you know there was this game for the n64 something about silicon valley [18:50] he meant shit [18:50] and I believe it suced [18:50] sucked* [18:50] illovae (~C-18@unaffiliated/illovae) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:51] Syllopsium1 (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [18:51] c[om]pute[r] [18:51] lol erk [18:51] i thought its spain [18:52] i'm starting to learn english [18:52] learnt something else first, dono what it was [18:53] i think we just banned the vuvuzelas... [18:54] i hope so [18:54] i mean i hope we banned them [18:54] alright, rebooting desktop, going to try mounting nfs again [18:54] tell FIFA how you did it [18:54] la computadora < spanish for computer [18:54] dios mio [18:54] ordenadora [18:54] :) [18:55] damn still access denied [18:56] Chinese are manufacturing 250.000 vuvuzelas every day from the first days of world championship.. [18:56] lol [18:56] everything is outsourced [18:56] even annoying sounds [18:56] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:57] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [18:57] okay, I have read enough, I have the DVD, ready to try this thing [18:57] last-minute words of advice? [18:57] auro, just jump in. reading's for gimps. [18:58] illovae (~C-18@edu.porneia.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] illovae (~C-18@edu.porneia.net) left irc: Changing host [18:58] illovae (~C-18@unaffiliated/illovae) joined ##slackware. [18:58] interesting [18:58] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:58] I'm trying to figure out how to use slackbuild script to build 32bit version of "flash-player-plugin" but I'm kind of lost. [18:58] when I use showmount I have a blank export list [18:59] FireTalon (~niccos@adsl-93-89-48.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] usr13 get it from http://www.slackbuilds.org [19:00] there's no major magic though, a build script is a bit overkill. just extract the .so file from the source tarball and stuff it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins [19:00] where is the place to change screen resolution in slackware? [19:01] you won't have removepkg to nuke that file, but it's only _one_ file. not too hard to track [19:03] erk: xrandr is good [19:03] eXgame (~eXgame@88.118.26.21) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:04] Kumul (Kumul@adsl-72-50-74-134.prtc.net) left ##slackware ("gone"). [19:04] eXgame (~eXgame@88.118.26.21) joined ##slackware. [19:04] mancha: Well, just mainly just trying to figure out how to use slackbuild to build a 32bit application and try to use it. But for now, I'll just do as you say and just extract the .so file and place it in the plugins directory. I'll tackle learing how to edit the slackbuild scripts to build a 32bit application next time. [19:04] erk: but I think KDE comes with a graphical utility to adjust screen res. [19:04] i couldn't find it [19:05] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [19:06] usr13, the flash plugin app is a bad example since nothing is built, in that case the slackbuuld script merely extracts the .so and copies it over [19:07] you should probably use another build script as something to learn on..one that actually goes through a compilation process... [19:08] dngr (~dngr@n11649134009.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [19:09] auro (~auro@unaffiliated/auro) left irc: Quit: here goes, bbl if I can get online [19:10] weird [19:10] sitwon (~adam@pool-71-246-200-118.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:10] even if I try to mount nfs as a normal user with the same uid / gid it doesnt work [19:10] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:11] well, if you install/copy the 32bit libflashplayer.so on 64bit, you will have to build some 32bit libs to use it.. [19:11] mancha: Well, I can't even figure out how to make the flashplayer plugn work. I now copied libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/ and tried to play a youtube video and it says: "You need to upgrade your Adobe Flash Player to watch this video. [19:11] Download it from Adobe." [19:12] you said 32 bit and you're putting it in a 64 bit library dir [19:12] I suppose I should run firefox from terminal and see what it says. [19:12] usr13: the 64bit flash player has been removed from download [19:12] O [19:12] adobe is updating it [19:12] sitwon (~adam@pool-71-246-200-118.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] until then your SOL unless you find the out of date version on a mirror somewhere [19:12] adobe is not updating it [19:13] oh, SBo took down the 64 bit one? [19:13] yes adobe is updating it [19:13] stop saying that [19:13] sandra_f (~sandra_f@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:13] adobe's frozen the 64 bit development of its flash player [19:13] adobe is not working on the 64bit player for linux any more. [19:13] which could well mean it is dead [19:13] they may, in the future. Not now. [19:14] http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/000/6b3af6c9.html read this [19:14] Well, I had this system all loaded up and like I wanted it, and the flashplayer plugin for firefox was my only issue. That is the main reason I wanted to go with the multilib option. [19:14] it clearly states 1) how to get flash working on a 64bit system [19:14] and 2) that they ARE working on a 64bit release [19:15] and that was updated 4 days ago [19:16] sandra_f (~sandra_f@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [19:16] so continue to speak out against the companies own word& w/e but instead of doing that, maybe you could actually help someone fix the problem at hand [19:17] weird [19:17] when I run export -ra I get exportfs: /etc/exports:2: syntax error: bad option list [19:18] before you get your panties all in a bunch, you can read http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html [19:18] :D [19:18] gniks: I suppose I could help. I'll send them pizza and cokes. [19:18] so I think I found the problem [19:18] they have announced tey are temporarily stopping development. whether this resumes or not is a goo question, right now it is stopped. [19:18] that says the same thing mancha [19:18] read the entire page [19:18] the page i posted is newer than yours [19:19] works now [19:19] and it also fixes the problem at hand [19:19] unlike your constant bradement of 64bit support from adobe [19:19] tsccof (~tsccof@201-35-157-177.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:19] oh man, there was a lot of drama earlier too, i thought all the estrogen had been removed by now... [19:19] bbl, hopefully to a drama-free ##slackware [19:20] gniks: It seems to be suggesting that if I install the 64bit version of firefox, I can get it running for now. [19:20] YAY! NFS is working! :D [19:20] now to try root mounts [19:20] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.88) joined ##slackware. [19:20] usr13: grab the 32bit firefox package, and install that :) [19:20] gniks: Yea, I'll try that. [19:21] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:23] chee (~chee@unaffiliated/chee) joined ##slackware. [19:24] fire|bird: did you ever get seamonkey 2 compiled? [19:26] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:26] nachox (~Ignacio@28-73-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [19:27] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:27] jennifur (~jennifur@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:27] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [19:29] deco (deco@unaffiliated/deco) left ##slackware. [19:31] drama? here? [19:31] nothing to see. move along. [19:31] lol [19:32] asamoah (~caio@190.244.33.249) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:32] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:32] erk (~erk@dsl-185-164-152.dynamic.wa.co.za) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:36] Action: nachox hides the bloody knife [19:36] Action: adrien hands nachox bleach [19:36] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [19:37] adrien: go to bed [19:37] Action: nachox frames fatalnix [19:37] lol [19:37] cant frame me [19:38] I'm in supercaifragilisticexpialidocious VISIBLE HELO WORLD! land [19:38] ha [19:38] invisible fatalnix [19:38] Action: jgor forwards logs to fbi.gov for ongoing investigation against nachox [19:38] lol [19:38] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [19:38] heh [19:39] how's everyone? [19:39] hey nachox [19:39] nachox, got beer, so good ;-) [19:39] chee, that was many months ago, never got it built myself, slack had it available before I got it to build, so I just quit trying with it. [19:39] jennifur (~jennifur@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] jennifur (~jennifur@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:40] weak [19:40] chee (chee@unaffiliated/chee) left ##slackware ("?> =^o^= <3"). [19:40] ... [19:40] dafydd (~dafydd@173.181.30.132) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:40] fire|bird, you have been dissed entirely. [19:40] lol [19:41] oh well, that was months ago, I'm not sure 13.0 was even out yet, maybe just after it's release, that I was messing with that stuff. [19:41] that was before 10.2! [19:41] <- started with 10.2 [19:42] no it wasn't, Seamonky 2 isn't that old, sheesh. [19:42] I was kidding [19:42] Action: fire|bird slaps fatalnix [19:42] didnt slackware come with the mozilla suite back then? [19:42] it still does come with seamonkey [19:42] yeah [19:43] I started with slack 12.0 [19:43] which was basicly open source netscape communicator lol [19:43] before the name was changed to seamonkey [19:43] really? I thoughtI used to see you before that in here [19:43] nope, that's when I started coming around here was 12.0, does seem longer though. [19:43] I had to install 11 on a friends machine about a year ago [19:44] because his machine had less than 32 megs of memory [19:44] I don't think I got on IRC until sometime during 11 or 12 [19:45] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:46] I can remember the days of dialing up on an external 14.4 modem when I got slack 4 installed sucessfully [19:46] I was so happy [19:46] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:46] kde has matured quite a bit [19:46] did you download the base system package by package and then add to it? [19:47] no, bought the disks [19:47] that's what I did when I was on dialup [19:47] ah [19:47] it would have taken forever to download [19:47] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] kde looks like a bucket of slimy, colourful, shiny sillenium, idk butthat's not me heh [19:47] well [19:47] version 1.2 was the one I can remember [19:47] the base system then wasn't too bad actually downloading [19:47] I did most of it in one evening [19:47] and then added bits and pieces [19:48] im actually downloading 13.1 now at work, ive been away from slack since probably version 7 [19:48] guys, is there a tool or something similar to check for updates in slackbuilds from SBo ... ( for packages installed in my system ) [19:48] got hooked in by redhat [19:48] now ubuntu [19:48] i forgot the tool [19:48] going back to my roots ;p [19:49] paissad: coul write your own :) [19:49] could* [19:49] paissad, I use a cronjob does 'sbopkg -r' then a script to mail me the updates [19:49] oh yeah sbopkg is cool [19:49] sbopkg -c iirc [19:49] dive, yes, that's what i forgot 'sbopkg' [19:49] thanks [19:49] i will take a look at it [19:50] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:50] every modified your directories by editing a directory as a file? [19:50] hehh heh heh! [19:50] fatalnix, we don't often have enough time to re-invent the wheel ;) [19:50] its not really reinventing if all it does is take a package name as an argument [19:51] and finds updates [19:51] fatalnix, in any cases, it takes a bit of times to inplement ;) [19:51] well ... [19:51] yeah I know [19:51] I could probably do it in a matter of a few hours or so but I have no wish to [19:51] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [19:54] fatalnix_ (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] heh [19:57] Trying to access StreetView from Google with the 32bit version of Firefox and it's not working. Anywone else having a problem like this or know how this is supposed to work? [19:57] there is a street view plugin i think you need [19:57] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:58] What is it that causes StreetView to work? Is it the flash player plugin? or... What [19:58] its java [19:58] i never had a problem with google streetview [19:58] Anyone else have slackware64 and use streetview? [19:59] haha just found a ghost car [19:59] AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3300+ cpu family : 15 [19:59] fatalnix_: using slackware64? [20:01] blaines (~blaines@75-171-89-104.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] I've had a couple people tell me that it works ok for them, so I don't understand what is different about this system I just built. [20:03] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Maybe there's something eles I'm missing... [20:03] blaines (~blaines@75-171-89-104.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [20:03] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:04] do other java apps work on the 32bit version? [20:04] might need to also install the 32bit java plugin [20:04] as the 64bit one won't load into 32bit firefox [20:05] britneypire (~britneypi@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:06] auro (~auro@unaffiliated/auro) joined ##slackware. [20:07] britneypire (~britneypi@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [20:10] gniks: Oh, java. Ok [20:11] wow [20:11] I was right [20:11] greenland IS a frozen wasteland [20:12] gniks: Well, maybe that is what was missing in the 64 bit version. ... But I was thinking that java was already installed, (in the full install), is that not so with slackware64? [20:12] the places and pictures I see who live there practicly live on frozen tundra [20:12] it is installed with slack64 [20:12] problem is, its 64bit java& and you installed 32bit firefox, so you could use flash [20:12] correct? [20:14] Can I install 32bit java even though I have 64bit java inatalled already? [20:15] It appears that I have gcc-java-4.4.4_multilib-x86_64-1alien installed. [20:15] by defalut [20:15] default [20:15] thats gcc [20:15] don't play with that one [20:15] jre is what your looking for [20:15] So what do I need to install? [20:15] check the file structure between the 64 and 32 bit versions [20:16] they should but things in different lib folders [20:16] if so, you can install them on top of each other [20:16] FireTalon (~niccos@adsl-93-89-48.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:17] jre-6u20-i586-1.txz [20:17] yeah [20:17] ^^ that it? ^^^ [20:17] ok [20:17] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:17] fatalnix_ (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:21] maco (~maco@ubuntu/member/maco) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:21] Nick change: el_lobo--d-_-b -> el_lobo--dT_Tb [20:21] rirombo (~rirombo@h11.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:22] Does anyone know what the following could mean when running Google Chrome SlackBuilds script: [20:22] opt/google/chrome/chrome: /usr/lib/libz.so.1: no version information available (required by opt/google/chrome/chrome) [20:22] maco (~maco@ubuntu/member/maco) joined ##slackware. [20:22] ln: creating symbolic link `opt/google/chrome/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0': File exists [20:22] r? [20:22] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:22] its broked? [20:22] well, it booted, but I didn't get online with it. what next? can anyone help? [20:23] Skywise: Oh, darn! How didn't I see that?! That explains EVERYTHING! ;) [20:23] I suppose that's worded poorly, huh? :) [20:24] I have an Atheros wireless NIC, wanting to connect to an open access point. [20:24] Well, there's nothing else to do than go have some DQ now.. [20:25] rirombo, you get those no version messages but ignore them [20:25] When the going gets tough, the tough have a Dilly Bar. [20:25] it was 104 outside, i'm not going out until september [20:26] dive: Ah.. so the problem is probably libpangcairo then. Thanks :) [20:26] Skywise: Heh, I hear you. Where are you at? [20:26] in the midatlantic [20:26] I don't think it wasn't even that bad down here in north GA [20:26] md [20:26] Oh, wow [20:26] yeah, it's actually cooler down south [20:27] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-0-43-120.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [20:31] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] WOAH! [20:39] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:39] my laptop just started shutting down out of nowhere and I was like wtf I didnt hit the power button! [20:40] well, as it was shutting down I saw a message saying Kernel: reached 138 C - emergency shutdown or something [20:40] 280 degrees Fahrenheit.. damn [20:40] is it hot where the laptop is ? sometimes vents get clogged [20:40] 138C???? [20:41] damn.. poor thing [20:41] I just revently cleaned the vents [20:41] so they're fine [20:41] but yes it is about 90 - 100 in my room [20:41] if not a bit more. [20:41] oh ok [20:41] still [20:41] my laptop is very well ventilated [20:41] and usually doesnt get higher than 60 [20:41] normally runs at 40 [20:41] it's 80F in my apartment and my laptop's running under load at 57/48C.. sounds like something funky happened [20:41] IBM thinkpads rock :) [20:42] yeah I know [20:42] it was so strange [20:42] alanjlee2 (~alanl@eth6240.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] my room is basicly like being in the desertthough [20:44] its like, every bit of water in the room evaporates and make sthe room more humid [20:44] its awful [20:44] my rooms always thehottest in the house every year. so here I am, I dragged my computer chair down two sets of stairs intothe basement with my laptop :) [20:44] oh shit [20:44] heh! sounds good to me [20:45] I live in a ground floor apartment.. it feels cool in here [20:45] lol I forgot this floor is not even [20:45] theres a drain in the center of the room so I started rolling [20:45] lol [20:45] checkpoint (~dbwrite@189-015-182-029.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:46] shitim rolling down the rooooom again [20:46] could have races [20:46] haha [20:47] holding onto the freezer [20:47] hey.. is that pepperoni? [20:47] I need a microwave down here [20:49] I'd eat these fruit pops butthey are dated august 1 2008 [20:49] auro (~auro@unaffiliated/auro) left irc: Quit: rebooting again, back soon, I hope [20:49] switch10_ (~dave@24.206.123.83) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:49] worldwarcheese (~worldwarc@pool-71-184-164-163.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:54] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:55] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:55] SpartanVI (~spartan@adsl-176-2-203.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/07/06/weve-packaged-all-of-the-free-software-what-now/ [20:58] I'm going to see if I can power these vacuum tubes up down here, just a moment, I'm sitting right nextto them [20:59] switch10_ (~dave@24.206.123.83) joined ##slackware. [21:01] wharncliffe (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:12] jhw (~jhw@p57982864.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:12] rirombo (~rirombo@h11.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:12] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [21:13] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:13] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [21:14] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:14] sahko, not sure what to think about that to be honest. (Does it seem like a first year college essay?) [21:16] Ok I got it. Using 32bit firefox (v3.6.6) and it all seems to work just fine. I suppose I need to blacklist mozilla-firefox and I'm done! :) [21:16] ...got firefox from current. [21:16] and jre [21:19] rirombo (~rirombo@h11.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] nice :) [21:19] glad it worked [21:20] What are the recommended browsers nowadays? [21:20] dive: how do you mean? [21:20] firefox, chrome, safari [21:20] rirombo: konqueror, any webkit based one [21:20] midori [21:20] Is konqueror still all-in-one bundle like Windows Explorer? [21:20] auro (~auro@unaffiliated/auro) joined ##slackware. [21:20] rekonq on QtWebkit [21:21] im not familiar with windows explorer [21:21] Hmm. All right. I guess the next question is, which has the fewest requirements? [21:21] atof (~atof@124.106.197.68) joined ##slackware. [21:21] I pretty much have bare-bones X [21:21] phoenix^ (~jmr@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [21:21] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:21] links-g [21:21] with a couple of GTK libraries installed.. [21:21] sahko, it's not like anything we didn't already know maybe [21:21] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [21:21] sahko, I didn't check out his links btw [21:21] sahko: Tried it, pretty horrible. I'd rather use normal links for stuff it can handle, but I need something fully graphical for those pesky websites [21:21] rirombo, have you tried elinks (for text) ? [21:21] switch10_ (~dave@24.206.123.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:21] I tried wicd, but still not working and not sure what to do. [21:22] phoenix^ (~jmr@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [21:23] dive: Well, I use elinks, actually. Just find it easier to tell people it's links ;) [21:23] auro: vi /usr/doc/wicd-1.7.0/README.SLACKWARE [21:23] rirombo, ah [21:24] switch10_ (~dave@24.206.123.83) joined ##slackware. [21:25] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.184.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:25] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [21:25] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.145.5) joined ##slackware. [21:25] rirombo, for lightweight X there are a few things like iceweasle, midori etc supposed to be good. Konq is of course the built in option. Chrome is good too (fast startup time) but uses more ram [21:27] vehn_z (~vehn_z@85.26.234.102) joined ##slackware. [21:27] the easiest to build is probably arora. it only needs qt [21:28] Ah, great. Thanks for the suggestions :) [21:29] How do I read that from Karmic? (I had to boot into Ubuntu to get online.) [21:30] mount the partition and adjust the path [21:30] atof (atof@124.106.197.68) left ##slackware. [21:33] atof (~atof@124.106.197.68) joined ##slackware. [21:33] oh hm that doesn't sound hard [21:33] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:34] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:34] auro (~auro@unaffiliated/auro) left irc: Quit: trying again, back soon [21:37] auro (~auro@unaffiliated/auro) joined ##slackware. [21:38] [21:38] sahko, thank you! [21:39] np, dont forget to unmount it [21:40] oh I rebooted into slack, got online this time [21:40] vehn_z (~vehn_z@85.26.234.102) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:41] atof (atof@124.106.197.68) left ##slackware. [21:42] I'm trying to re-construct what I've done on my new [first] Slacware64 system and I had to do a cups patch and am having a senior moment; I can't remember about the cups patch. Where / what was it? [21:42] unenana (~unenana@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:43] (Actually, I'm trying to document for my LUG here.. and can not remember what I did. [21:43] Has anyone else installed the cups patch? [21:44] My cup would leak without it! [21:45] unenana (~unenana@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [21:46] Sorry grandpa, I don't know what you did either. I didn't patch anything but my leaky old cup. [21:47] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.111) joined ##slackware. [21:47] he means his leaky old diaper. 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[22:02] i would like to send a file via command line , i did --> mail -s "subject" -t "user@mail.com" -a file_to_send.log <-- [22:03] MoZes: pm? [22:03] but that does not work, ... i have no message in /var/log/mail.log [22:03] paissad: mail(1) needs either a working MTA (such as sendmail) or configuration as per the man page. [22:04] paissad, that's one way. Another could be 'echo "some message" | mailx ...' [22:04] rob0, when i do "echo "message" | mail -s "subject" user@mail.com [22:04] that works ^^ [22:04] Slackware's mail(1) is capable of being a SMTP client. [22:04] paissad, -a ought to make the message an attachment [22:04] Oh, it's waiting for stdin. [22:04] paissad, you have to send it in a mail or just send it [22:05] it still expects a message on stdin [22:05] dive, i actually want to attach a file to the message i'm sending [22:05] yes [22:05] stdin [22:05] paissad, then 'echo something | mailx -s 'bla' -a attachment_file' [22:05] wharncliffe (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:05] what's the diff between mailx & mail ? [22:05] the x [22:05] none they are symlinked [22:06] dbpatankar (~digvijay@220.227.207.12) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:06] i wondered because they do have the same manpage ^^ [22:06] dbpatankar (~digvijay@220.227.207.12) joined ##slackware. [22:07] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:07] fortune -o | mail -s "subject" -t "user@mail.com" -a file_to_send.log [22:08] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:08] switch10_ (~dave@24.206.123.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:08] bacal (~default@cpe-66-91-187-60.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:08] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:08] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:08] Yes, that ought to work. Heh, -o, nice touch. [22:09] echo "message" | mailx -s "subject" -t "user@mail.com" -a /tmp/remove_conf 2>&1 | wgetpaste [22:09] Your paste can be seen here: http://dpaste.com/215318/ [22:09] I love -o [22:10] 1 [22:10] rob0: MoZes == ArmedSlack creator? [22:10] paissad, put the address last without -t [22:10] dive, i did try that already ! [22:11] dive, if i remove the -t option , i have this: [22:11] send-mail: invalid option -- 'a' [22:11] send-mail: fatal: usage: send-mail [options] [22:11] err strange [22:11] vect (brains@ca7-losangeles-1911.dsl.wiredcom.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:12] neonflux: yes [22:12] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:12] Delahunt (~robert@72.183.117.4) joined ##slackware. [22:12] rirombo (~rirombo@h11.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] i'm really confused :/ [22:14] toggle [22:14] paissad, ls -l /usr/bin/mail [22:14] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2010-03-14 22:57 /usr/bin/mail -> mailx* [22:15] and you put the email address last? [22:15] hmm no ^^ [22:15] sendto always goes last [22:16] always ? [22:16] like 'echo message | mailx -a attachment -s subject address@domain [22:16] ok .. [22:16] thanks anyway ... it's ok now [22:18] alanjlee2 (alanl@eth6240.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. 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[23:12] MLanden: If you mean install of Slack, then yes :) [23:12] I've been installing all kinds of packages/applications lately; hard to keep track [23:13] rirombo: cool [23:13] Nick change: el_lobo--dT_Tb -> el_lobo--d-_-b [23:13] Have been enjoying it quite a bit [23:14] Delahunt (~robert@72.183.117.4) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:14] Packages have been a tad frustrating, but also a breath of welcome simplicity. Other than that, it's been very nice :) [23:15] rirombo, is slack new for you? [23:16] shonudo: Yup, have been using it the whole of.. a week or so [23:16] nice! [23:16] do you think it's a keeper? [23:17] (or, put differently, is it working for you?) [23:18] I'm not quite sure yet, to be honest. I've been using Mac OS X for the past five years or so, so it's a choice between these two OSes. [23:18] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] I'm trying to get it to do what I need, and if that works out, I'll be a happy camper. [23:19] sweet! [23:19] hope it goes well [23:19] ARoiD (eiNFO74@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-uxykpvctktcluwqn) joined ##slackware. [23:20] Me too. I think arora might be the solution for a GUI web browser. Now I need to find a decent PDF viewer and then see how good Chinese support is :) [23:20] user2438 (~user45925@adsl-76-235-44-37.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:20] are you using kde or any "desktop"? [23:21] Not at this point. So far I've been happy with ratpoison, but that might change depending on how the Chinese input is handled, etc. [23:22] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-204.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] again, good luck; hope it goes smoothly [23:23] rirombo: how old is your machine? [23:23] Thank you :) [23:23] sahko: Umm.. a year or two. It's a Dell Vostro A90 netbook :) [23:25] just wondering as you seem to favour lightweight software too much [23:25] not a bad way to start [23:25] easy enough to add stuff [23:26] and new hardware runs wicked fast [23:27] sahko: hehe, yeah, I guess I do. Although I may be too paranoid... [23:27] there's something to be said for keeping it light [23:27] im always in favour of full installation for beginners. even skipping kde,xfce or whatever like that. Slackware includes many handy applications, especially command line [23:28] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:28] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:28] and the full install does make getting help easier [23:28] always an issue helping someone who has chosen to do a partial [23:29] *nods* I've definitely had to deal with a lot more problems because of that. [23:29] since the resulting system is 100% up to the admin, the full install sets a standard [23:29] I made a mistake in allocating only 3G for the system and 13G for /home... [23:30] Which reminds me, I need to see if I can use parted to fix that [23:30] rirombo: gparted [23:30] rirombo, download systemrescuecd and look at the tools included [23:30] turk182: Is it significantly better than parted? [23:31] Yeah. Sure. [23:31] It works for me. [23:31] Never had data loss from it. [23:31] rirombo, systemresuecd includes gparted, partimage, and other very useful tools [23:31] check it out [23:32] Thanks for the tip, looking at it now [23:33] thurd1 (thurd@c-24-35-108-188.customer.broadstripe.net) left ##slackware. [23:34] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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