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    1. しんかい38(山川賢一)‏ @shinkai35 Oct 27

      ウォーフはそのものを読んでみればいいのでは。科学は欧米語のつくりだす認識の枠に閉じこめられてもはや限界に突き当たっている、時間の概念がないホピ語のような、他言語のもつ新しい世界観を取りいれなければ未来はないという主張に説得力を感じるかどうかですね。

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    2. ラッコ‏ @rakkoannex Oct 27
      Replying to @shinkai35

      なるほどです。やっぱ引用だけ読んでも、ですね。 時間の話はピンカーの紹介でも大分おかしさがあった

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      しんかい38(山川賢一)‏ @shinkai35 Oct 27
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      ウォーフの本を読むと、予想以上にホピ語と時間の話ばっかしてますよ。

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        2. ラッコ‏ @rakkoannex Oct 27
          Replying to @shinkai35

          ピンカーの紹介では、なんか外国語できない人が 拙い語学力で勘違いして、ものすごい勢いで壮大な理論をつくりあげ、 あまつさえ多くの人に受け入れられてしまった。みたいな印象で。 一人の人間のライフストーリーとしては面白いです。

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        3. しんかい38(山川賢一)‏ @shinkai35 Oct 27
          Replying to @rakkoannex

          語学力が拙かったのかはわかりませんが、ホピ語に時間の概念がないというウォーフの説がマロトキによって否定されるまでに50年くらいかかっているんです。つまりホピ語はめちゃくちゃアクセスしづらい言語で、ウォーフ自身の研究も不十分なものだったらしい。

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        4. しんかい38(山川賢一)‏ @shinkai35 Oct 27
          Replying to @shinkai35 @rakkoannex

          ウォーフ説については、とにかくこの本がクリアです。たんに言語が思考や認識に影響するという(それなりに認められている)説にくらべて、ウォーフ説のどこが極端なのか明快に書いてあります。 https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E8%A8%80%E8%AA%9E%E3%81%8C%E9%81%95%E3%81%88%E3%81%B0%E3%80%81%E4%B8%96%E7%95%8C%E3%82%82%E9%81%95%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6%E8%A6%8B%E3%81%88%E3%82%8B%E3%82%8F%E3%81%91-%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4-%E3%83%89%E3%82%A4%E3%83%83%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%83%BC/dp/4772695338/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1509096112&sr=1-1&keywords=%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%83%BB%E3%83%89%E3%82%A4%E3%83%83%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%83%BC …

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        5. ラッコ‏ @rakkoannex Oct 27
          Replying to @shinkai35

          お、ありがとうございます。

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