Unsure what to think when someone lowkey brags about being so fluent but then says a phone call was a big accomplishment.
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For me: - being able to ask about and understand explanations for concepts you don't already know - easily understand native level speech
Native is a whole other level to me. That's fluency with cultural understanding and non detectable accent.
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And to be clear the braggart was making a restaurant reservation, something I think is really quite scripted.
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I see! I’m sorry to keep pursuing this but I am genuinely curious - what then would you consider conversational?
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Conversational is a huge range for me. It's understanding and being understood but with lots of thinking pauses and grammatical mistakes.
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But could you not think a lot and make mistakes and also fall into the category of fluent? If not, we are talking native, aren’t we?
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I'd still say native is someone who sounds like they grew up speaking that language.
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Sorry for butting in but here is the great Jack Seward’s definition of fluency in Japanese. I think this rules most of us out...pic.twitter.com/FuTtS6wQEF
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Awesome! Thank you! I struggle because many Canadians ask me if I am fluent in Japanese, which I would argue can mean a lot of things.
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But most people want to know if you’re functional, so often that’s what I assume Canadians mean by fluent. Not what I consider fluent!
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I'd say functional is conversational. Being able to carry on philosophical conversations would be more like fluent.
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