Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 35): 30 may be a guideline but I just dated a 36 year for 5 months old and she compared well with any 18 year old in the crazy rank. A warning with the crazy ones (all women are crazy to an extent), they are better in bed and it will desensitize you to tolerate them more.

;    Hell yeah! I like 35-45 myself, but I am only allowed to window shop these days...

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33): Me and him are involved in the music scene here in Phoenix. I usually film, photograph, and promote bands, including my buddy's. We were gonna form our own band and we even had everything lined up with the main concert promoter for a 'debut' show, but that got scrapped once his main band dropped their first album and began performing more and more. I haven't had anything lined up for music since, aside from a solo project i'm working on. I still do the photography/filming biz for his band, but he doesn't lead the band; the keyboardist does.

Hey, it doesnt sound like your buddy is that much of a buddy any more, I wouldnt worry about him too much - so I wouldnt let that get in the way. Like I said, see how its goes, but dont get too commited just yet - & if that involves a test drive before purchase & she is OK with that without commital to said purchase, all the better.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 48): She's going to think you're really classy if she ever finds out you paraded her photo about the place so that we could all give an opinion on whether or not we would shag her.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 49): She's in Arkansas

Its OK, the internet hasnt reached Arkansas yet   

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 37): And the issue is? revenge sex, ptiy sex, screw the ugly dude contest? Who cares you get laid. End of story. Just remember, Everything everbody ever does is in order to get laid.

Of course, I agree. The problem comes when you start getting emotionally attached, specially if it all started as just a fling.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 49): Remember, she's been a friend of mine since I met my buddy, and I've never had a problem with her behavior.

She wouldn't be the first two faced girl in the world who shows her other, ugly side after getting boned. And I'm not talking about her other end  

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 50): Quoting RussianJet (Reply 48): She's going to think you're really classy if she ever finds out you paraded her photo about the place so that we could all give an opinion on whether or not we would shag her. Quoting PHX787 (Reply 49): She's in Arkansas Its OK, the internet hasnt reached Arkansas yet

And she has no interest in Aviation, so I highly doubt she's gonna see that I posted a photo of her. Besides, I think if she saw this thread, she would probably call all of you the 'sweetest' for saying that she's bangable lol

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 50): Hey, it doesnt sound like your buddy is that much of a buddy any more, I wouldnt worry about him too much

true, But he's still a friend. I filmed the band when they performed at Paganfest last month. Good show.

Quoting corinthians (Reply 47): Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 35): A warning with the crazy ones (all women are crazy to an extent), they are better in bed and it will desensitize you to tolerate them more. Truer words have never been spoken! lol

I believe my dad's brother's wife's dad's son-in-law said that to me at a family party, and said that once I get past the ass, I gotta deal with the mind....something like that.

Didn't stop me from dating my buddy's wife, who became an ex-wife during our time together. She came out to my place for dinner one night and we wound up doing the nasty. Stayed together for four years. One of the smartest people I've ever met, to give the devil her due. She weirded out towards the end. But one of my better relationships overall.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 40): Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 35): To you she might have walked into it but you really should never accuse someone of that because you don't know what evidence they are privy to. Your mate wasn't concealing anything to you so you thought she was dumb and if she was faithful to him she probably had no reason to suspect. I believe he meant she walked in on the act of his buddy cheating.

Duly noted.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 49): Remember, she's been a friend of mine since I met my buddy, and I've never had a problem with her behavior.

Friend and girlfriend are two different things, if you two do hook up she will command a greater level of attention and want to know more about you than she does at the moment.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 52): I believe my dad's brother's wife's dad's son-in-law said that to me at a family party, and said that once I get past the ass, I gotta deal with the mind....something like that.

This Chris Rock clip goes into a good chunk of that, I personally love between 2:15 and 3:15, but the whole thing is funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXj69RAUIbs

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 54): Friend and girlfriend are two different things, if you two do hook up she will command a greater level of attention and want to know more about you than she does at the moment.

I think I'm capable of giving her that, since my previous relationships would tell anybody that i was never a problem there.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 39): I was just thinking it might be funny as hell if the girl in question were to find this thread and read it. Wow!

Yeah I am sooooo tempted to show her this once all this blows over --maybe archive it and go back in a year or 2 lol

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12): Don't be a pansy. At least take her for a test ride first. If you are going to have an argument with your friend, it's best to know whether or not it's worth it.

So maybe I should've told all of you this, but unless she's like 100% into me and whatever, I'm horrible at getting a girl in bed (except recently, but that's a separate story). So how would I go about doing this?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 55): So maybe I should've told all of you this, but unless she's like 100% into me and whatever, I'm horrible at getting a girl in bed (except recently, but that's a separate story). So how would I go about doing this?

OK, any aspiring Cyrano de Bergeracs here?    Could be fun...

Quoting photopilot (Reply 23):

That is a VERY GOOD point.

PHX787, there could be a hundred or even a hundred THOUSAND do's and dont's here, but photopilot makes a good point. You could either fuck her, and she could tell your friend, or you could NOT fuck her, and she could tell your friend you did anyway. Either way, there is the fine line between truth and lie, and it would be up to your friend to believe you, or believe her.

HOWEVER...

If you DON'T do it, then she could say you did, and you could truthfully reply "HELL NO!!!" as opposed to actually doing it, and when confronted (not like its his business anymore anyway), you could LIE and say "HELL NO!!!"

Honestly, I can only say to use your best judgement. One way or the other, you will more than likely be screwing someone over, so you might as well get your dick wet and enjoy it.

What Bobby Joe don't know, won't hurt him. and even if he does eventually know, there is always plausible deniability.   

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 44): We expect a detailed report soon.

Please post this in the "Trip Report" section. Hopefully you took her on a date to spotting at PHX.

Similar situation happened 1.5 years ago before I left LA. One of my roommates and best friends from college had his ex that was giving me some serious mixed signals. She knew I was leaving, so there was some major sexual innuendo. He wasn't cool with it but nothing ever happened. She made it clear this past new years: she can't do it (wants to) because of our mutual friend who she used to date. Makes sense for now, but never know what the future might bring.

I think you should give her a snow globe so that lonely and single a.netters can track her flights.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 56): OK, any aspiring Cyrano de Bergeracs here? Could be fun...

wait.....WHAT?

Quoting N8911E (Reply 57): You could either fuck her, and she could tell your friend, or you could NOT fuck her, and she could tell your friend you did anyway.

Well here's the thing, I highly doubt she would actually tell him. If anything, I'd be me, but like, not in a revenge or "haha I banged your ex" sort of thing, but more or less a "hey, this happened, you know" sort of thing. It's difficult to describe. The one thing he knows though about me, my buddy, is that until recently, (he doesn't know this) all the girls i've slept with have been Asian. (that changed about a month ago   )

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 58): Please post this in the "Trip Report" section. Hopefully you took her on a date to spotting at PHX.

"And then, with the control tower silhouetting the moonlight on top of the garage of terminal three, I gave myself to her...." Damn this could be an epic romance novel

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 58): She knew I was leaving, so there was some major sexual innuendo. He wasn't cool with it but nothing ever happened.

Well the one thing is, a lot of people have confronted my buddy about him cheating on her in the first place, and he either responded with annoyance or indifference. I have yet to talk to him about it. All I know is that he knows I think his new girlfriend is a total bitch and he doesn't seem to give a crap about that.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 60): Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 56): OK, any aspiring Cyrano de Bergeracs here? Could be fun... wait.....WHAT?

In the play, Cyrano helps his friend woo a girl by whispering what to say to him, and even taking his place in the dark.

From Wiki:

Cyrano remains to meet Christian and coach him. When Christian does arrive, he refuses Cyrano’s assistance, believing that he can woo Roxane on his own. Roxane soon returns, and Cyrano retreats, leaving a nervously tongue-tied Christian to flounder. Roxane leaves him outside, thoroughly disgusted with his loss of eloquence, and Cyrano re-emerges. Christian begs for his help, and they contrive to have Christian repeat Cyrano’s words to Roxane while she is on her balcony; this changes with Cyrano taking Christian’s place to make it easier. In the course of this, a monk arrives looking for Roxane, and Cyrano sends him in another direction. Cyrano then resumes his wooing of Roxane for Christian, winning Christian a kiss from her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrano_de_Bergerac_(play)

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 60): Damn this could be an epic romance novel

You're not kiddin. Let me know when you get published.

Quoting N8911E (Reply 62): Quoting PHX787 (Reply 60): Damn this could be an epic romance novel You're not kiddin. Let me know when you get published.

Could also be a pretty good porno movie. Does she have a hot friend?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 63): Quoting N8911E (Reply 62): Quoting PHX787 (Reply 60): Damn this could be an epic romance novel You're not kiddin. Let me know when you get published. Could also be a pretty good porno movie. Does she have a hot friend?

Yes. Another blonde who loves metal 

Related: I had a conversation with my buddy about the whole incident via text today. It was very short. I've included the whole unedited conversation below.

As U can see, I pretty much sugarcoated the last text.

In my opinion, this is a green light to go ahead, I guess

What do you have to gain? You get laid. Whooptee-doo. You're a cute 20yo. You can get laid a lot.

What do you have to lose? A good friend.

Your call.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 65): In my opinion, this is a green light to go ahead, I guess

Really? I took it the complete opposite way!

To me he seemed a little too quick to jump to the "why do you care?...you're gonna go after her too?". To me he appeared to be really uncomfortable about you asking, but that could mean a few different things. I don't know him so I can't really judge.

Did he respond to your last text?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 65):

This is quickly approaching Flairport territory.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 67): Did he respond to your last text?

No he didn't. He never really responds to something which insinuates a conclusion

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter): The Bro Code is very clear on this: No sex with a bro's ex.

I think I broke the bro code the opposite way when I hooked a buddy up with my ex....now they're getting married..  

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 22): I would NEVER let one of my good friends date one of my ex's.....I wouldn't want them to suffer like I did

  

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 68): This is quickly approaching Flairport territory.

exactly...will this thread be as epic as flair port´s ? who knows?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 69): No he didn't. He never really responds to something which insinuates a conclusion

Well now that just leaves a bit of a cliffhanger eh...

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 71): Quoting BMI727 (Reply 68): This is quickly approaching Flairport territory. exactly...will this thread be as epic as flair port´s ? who knows?

I've only been reading A-net less than two years and been a member less than a year so I have no idea who this Flairport guy is...so I looked it up. That cheerleader discussion left me speechless. I don't think this thread is anywhere near that level though.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 71): Quoting BMI727 (Reply 68): This is quickly approaching Flairport territory. exactly...will this thread be as epic as flair port´s ? who knows?

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 72): I don't think this thread is anywhere near that level though.

wait....what?

Friend Flying FL FLL-ATL Friday. (by FLAIRPORT Feb 17 2005 in Non Aviation)

Enjoy  

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 74):

Thanks for that link, I guess. Had to read it again which lead me to discover what might be the "Old Navy Bermuda Shorts" commercial that FLAIRPORT's stalkee was allegedly in...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPBfNkdP5u4

As to this thread... To the OP....

Breathe and let it all be for a while, completely drop it. If it's meant to be it eventually will, but you are too obsessed right now to not mess it up one way or another...

In other words, don't touch it with a ten-foot pole. Or a six-inch pole.  

(Go on, protest that it's *WAY* bigger than that... He who brags loudest...)

Other bit of advice: find a girl who looks like her and bang the living daylights out of her, instead. She must have a doppelganger.

[Edited 2012-05-09 21:06:36]

How about sleeping with your girlfriend's best friend?

To be honest, the way you are handling this, I'm guessing you are going to lose his friendship AND won't be able to shag her.

I say you should slow down.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 35): A warning with the crazy ones (all women are crazy to an extent), they are better in bed and it will desensitize you to tolerate them more.

This is SO true.

FWIW, you shouldn't do ANYTHING. Try to get into a cool off period. Think about something else. Play some guitar, edit some movies, do whatever it is that can be done to make you NOT think about it.

She's cute, but is it worth the trouble ? Only time will tell, so you shouldn't rush things.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 65): In my opinion, this is a green light to go ahead, I guess

Quoting Acheron (Reply 78): To be honest, the way you are handling this, I'm guessing you are going to lose his friendship AND won't be able to shag her.

I hate to say this, but Acheron might be right. In this case, it is better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. It sounds like you're asking for permission. He has nothing to do with it! They broke up ages ago, end of story, don't worry about him. You can't be timid and afraid to hurt people's feelings, especially of a guy who was cheating on her in the first place. If he tries to give you grief for it, you need to tell him where to get off. If you try to be 'sensitive to his feelings' you are definitely going to lose them both.

On a loosely related note, I just read through the FLAIRPORT thread (LOL), and this one doesn't even come close to it!

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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 66): You can get laid a lot.

Actually I don't- Until i came to ASU I never knew many girls (all male high school)

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 67): Did he respond to your last text?

He did this morning: He said "let's not talk about Ex's then and move on"

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 77): How about sleeping with your girlfriend's best friend?

LOL Like I stated above: she doesn't know many girls either

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 80): Quoting Acheron (Reply 78): To be honest, the way you are handling this, I'm guessing you are going to lose his friendship AND won't be able to shag her. I hate to say this, but Acheron might be right.

I am beginning to get that feeling too. So besides responding to her text she sent at like midnight while I was sleeping, I'm not gonna talk to her till she comes back Monday.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 82): I am beginning to get that feeling too. So besides responding to her text she sent at like midnight while I was sleeping, I'm not gonna talk to her till she comes back Monday.

If you want her, go for it. But for F's sake don't be apologetic.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 77): How about sleeping with your girlfriend's best friend?

Better still, sleep with your girlfriend and her best friend together.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 74): Friend Flying FL FLL-ATL Friday. (by FLAIRPORT Feb 17 2005 in Non Aviation) Enjoy

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 81): On a loosely related note, I just read through the FLAIRPORT thread (LOL),

That was quite a story indeed!

You want anything your friend has? Enjoy sharing a strand of HPV with him. Years later you can toast beers with each other and relate stories of what you used to do with your dicks before you had to chop them off...

"Remember that one broad?"

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 84): Better still, sleep with your girlfriend and her best friend together.

That is something I hope to accomplish some day. I can say I have done that before with other girls that weren't my girlfriend - first time on Spring Break, a couple freaky chicks with multiple piercings and tats. Their piercings got tangled with each other and that was kinda too much for me at the time.

Her best friend will do it, just can't get my girl to do it too.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 86):

Oh me oh my.....and me without my winner's sash....  

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 88): That is something I hope to accomplish some day.

I wish you every success. Ever watched 'All American Orgy'?  

Brovaries before overies my friend.

Maybe I'm just an asshole, but go for it! There's a reason why they are no longer together.. if you really like her, then what the hell is stopping you? He cheated on her, so he had his chance.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 80): In this case, it is better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. It sounds like you're asking for permission. He has nothing to do with it! They broke up ages ago, end of story, don't worry about him. You can't be timid and afraid to hurt people's feelings, especially of a guy who was cheating on her in the first place. If he tries to give you grief for it, you need to tell him where to get off. If you try to be 'sensitive to his feelings' you are definitely going to lose them both.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 83): If you want her, go for it. But for F's sake don't be apologetic.

   All very well said, Dreadnought. Especially the last line.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 82): (all male high school)

4 years of pent up sexual frustration before attending state university probably made for a hilarious freshman year   

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 87): You want anything your friend has? Enjoy sharing a strand of HPV with him. Years later you can toast beers with each other and relate stories of what you used to do with your dicks before you had to chop them off...

This is a little too close to a "abstinence til marriage" kind of post...

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 92): Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 87): You want anything your friend has? Enjoy sharing a strand of HPV with him. Years later you can toast beers with each other and relate stories of what you used to do with your dicks before you had to chop them off... This is a little too close to a "abstinence til marriage" kind of post...

Whoa. I'd make comments about your ability with reading comprehension but that'll get this post deleted.

Abstinence? Hardly. I just don't like the idea of sharing a girl with your best friend, especially since he's been screwing around and possibly screwing her at the same time.

Way to be a buzz kill.

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 93): Whoa. I'd make comments about your ability with reading comprehension but that'll get this post deleted.

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 93): Way to be a buzz kill.

No, please, go ahead.

But while we're on the topic of reading comprehension: it was a joke! But I'll make sure my jokes moving forward in this thread are more obvious. Just for you.  

Signed,

"A buzz kill"

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 93): I just don't like the idea of sharing a girl with your best friend, especially since he's been screwing around and possibly screwing her at the same time.

In my opinion, it's only "sharing" if they're active with her at the same time. It's been made very clear in this thread that the friend had moved on from her quite some time ago and doesn't seem interested in ever rekindling any form a relationship with her.

But since you brought up HPV, I think that at this time they're far enough removed from the terrible cheating incident (September I think PHX787 said?) that all involved would know by now if they had transmitted something. I know STIs don't always present obvious symptoms (DocLightning can clarify since I'm no doctor) but if you always take that into consideration then you'd have to worry about everyone you hooked up with.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 65): As U can see, I pretty much sugarcoated the last text. In my opinion, this is a green light to go ahead, I guess

I think you just declared to him that "hey Nathan, I wanna bang Kirsten, your ex..."
He simply said, "I wouldn't bother Zach..." (ie: "I cheated on her for a good reason... if she screws your mind around... don't say I didn't warn you..."

Your call!   

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 92): 4 years of pent up sexual frustration before attending state university probably made for a hilarious freshman year

yes -_- and an even more interesting summer going into sophomore year.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 94): But since you brought up HPV, I think that at this time they're far enough removed from the terrible cheating incident (September I think PHX787 said?) that all involved would know by now if they had transmitted something. I know STIs don't always present obvious symptoms (DocLightning can clarify since I'm no doctor) but if you always take that into consideration then you'd have to worry about everyone you hooked up with.

ok 1)
In the music scene, everybody knows what STDs we all have. She is clean. My buddy is clean. Only one person we know has an STD and he's married.
2) Cheating incident happened on April 1.
3) Im not worried at all about diseases from her -_-

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 89): I wish you every success. Ever watched 'All American Orgy'?

well did get them to wrestle around a bit

So we talked on the phone yesterday and she's been texting me today, and she said she's coming home friday, not monday -_-

Uh, yeah, PHX787, this is the tower... Break off your approach. Go around. Correction: Divert to alternate airport.