Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 35): 30 may be a guideline but I just dated a 36 year for 5 months old and she compared well with any 18 year old in the crazy rank. A warning with the crazy ones (all women are crazy to an extent), they are better in bed and it will desensitize you to tolerate them more.

;    Hell yeah! I like 35-45 myself, but I am only allowed to window shop these days...

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33): Me and him are involved in the music scene here in Phoenix. I usually film, photograph, and promote bands, including my buddy's. We were gonna form our own band and we even had everything lined up with the main concert promoter for a 'debut' show, but that got scrapped once his main band dropped their first album and began performing more and more. I haven't had anything lined up for music since, aside from a solo project i'm working on. I still do the photography/filming biz for his band, but he doesn't lead the band; the keyboardist does.

Hey, it doesnt sound like your buddy is that much of a buddy any more, I wouldnt worry about him too much - so I wouldnt let that get in the way. Like I said, see how its goes, but dont get too commited just yet - & if that involves a test drive before purchase & she is OK with that without commital to said purchase, all the better.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 48): She's going to think you're really classy if she ever finds out you paraded her photo about the place so that we could all give an opinion on whether or not we would shag her.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 49): She's in Arkansas

Its OK, the internet hasnt reached Arkansas yet   

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 37): And the issue is? revenge sex, ptiy sex, screw the ugly dude contest? Who cares you get laid. End of story. Just remember, Everything everbody ever does is in order to get laid.

Of course, I agree. The problem comes when you start getting emotionally attached, specially if it all started as just a fling.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 49): Remember, she's been a friend of mine since I met my buddy, and I've never had a problem with her behavior.

She wouldn't be the first two faced girl in the world who shows her other, ugly side after getting boned. And I'm not talking about her other end  

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 50): Quoting RussianJet (Reply 48): She's going to think you're really classy if she ever finds out you paraded her photo about the place so that we could all give an opinion on whether or not we would shag her. Quoting PHX787 (Reply 49): She's in Arkansas Its OK, the internet hasnt reached Arkansas yet

And she has no interest in Aviation, so I highly doubt she's gonna see that I posted a photo of her. Besides, I think if she saw this thread, she would probably call all of you the 'sweetest' for saying that she's bangable lol

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 50): Hey, it doesnt sound like your buddy is that much of a buddy any more, I wouldnt worry about him too much

true, But he's still a friend. I filmed the band when they performed at Paganfest last month. Good show.

Quoting corinthians (Reply 47): Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 35): A warning with the crazy ones (all women are crazy to an extent), they are better in bed and it will desensitize you to tolerate them more. Truer words have never been spoken! lol

I believe my dad's brother's wife's dad's son-in-law said that to me at a family party, and said that once I get past the ass, I gotta deal with the mind....something like that.

Didn't stop me from dating my buddy's wife, who became an ex-wife during our time together. She came out to my place for dinner one night and we wound up doing the nasty. Stayed together for four years. One of the smartest people I've ever met, to give the devil her due. She weirded out towards the end. But one of my better relationships overall.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 40): Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 35): To you she might have walked into it but you really should never accuse someone of that because you don't know what evidence they are privy to. Your mate wasn't concealing anything to you so you thought she was dumb and if she was faithful to him she probably had no reason to suspect. I believe he meant she walked in on the act of his buddy cheating.

Duly noted.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 49): Remember, she's been a friend of mine since I met my buddy, and I've never had a problem with her behavior.

Friend and girlfriend are two different things, if you two do hook up she will command a greater level of attention and want to know more about you than she does at the moment.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 52): I believe my dad's brother's wife's dad's son-in-law said that to me at a family party, and said that once I get past the ass, I gotta deal with the mind....something like that.

This Chris Rock clip goes into a good chunk of that, I personally love between 2:15 and 3:15, but the whole thing is funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXj69RAUIbs

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 54): Friend and girlfriend are two different things, if you two do hook up she will command a greater level of attention and want to know more about you than she does at the moment.

I think I'm capable of giving her that, since my previous relationships would tell anybody that i was never a problem there.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 39): I was just thinking it might be funny as hell if the girl in question were to find this thread and read it. Wow!

Yeah I am sooooo tempted to show her this once all this blows over --maybe archive it and go back in a year or 2 lol

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12): Don't be a pansy. At least take her for a test ride first. If you are going to have an argument with your friend, it's best to know whether or not it's worth it.

So maybe I should've told all of you this, but unless she's like 100% into me and whatever, I'm horrible at getting a girl in bed (except recently, but that's a separate story). So how would I go about doing this?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 55): So maybe I should've told all of you this, but unless she's like 100% into me and whatever, I'm horrible at getting a girl in bed (except recently, but that's a separate story). So how would I go about doing this?

OK, any aspiring Cyrano de Bergeracs here?    Could be fun...

Quoting photopilot (Reply 23):

That is a VERY GOOD point.

PHX787, there could be a hundred or even a hundred THOUSAND do's and dont's here, but photopilot makes a good point. You could either fuck her, and she could tell your friend, or you could NOT fuck her, and she could tell your friend you did anyway. Either way, there is the fine line between truth and lie, and it would be up to your friend to believe you, or believe her.

HOWEVER...

If you DON'T do it, then she could say you did, and you could truthfully reply "HELL NO!!!" as opposed to actually doing it, and when confronted (not like its his business anymore anyway), you could LIE and say "HELL NO!!!"

Honestly, I can only say to use your best judgement. One way or the other, you will more than likely be screwing someone over, so you might as well get your dick wet and enjoy it.

What Bobby Joe don't know, won't hurt him. and even if he does eventually know, there is always plausible deniability.   

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 44): We expect a detailed report soon.

Please post this in the "Trip Report" section. Hopefully you took her on a date to spotting at PHX.

Similar situation happened 1.5 years ago before I left LA. One of my roommates and best friends from college had his ex that was giving me some serious mixed signals. She knew I was leaving, so there was some major sexual innuendo. He wasn't cool with it but nothing ever happened. She made it clear this past new years: she can't do it (wants to) because of our mutual friend who she used to date. Makes sense for now, but never know what the future might bring.

I think you should give her a snow globe so that lonely and single a.netters can track her flights.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 56): OK, any aspiring Cyrano de Bergeracs here? Could be fun...

wait.....WHAT?

Quoting N8911E (Reply 57): You could either fuck her, and she could tell your friend, or you could NOT fuck her, and she could tell your friend you did anyway.

Well here's the thing, I highly doubt she would actually tell him. If anything, I'd be me, but like, not in a revenge or "haha I banged your ex" sort of thing, but more or less a "hey, this happened, you know" sort of thing. It's difficult to describe. The one thing he knows though about me, my buddy, is that until recently, (he doesn't know this) all the girls i've slept with have been Asian. (that changed about a month ago   )

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 58): Please post this in the "Trip Report" section. Hopefully you took her on a date to spotting at PHX.

"And then, with the control tower silhouetting the moonlight on top of the garage of terminal three, I gave myself to her...." Damn this could be an epic romance novel

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 58): She knew I was leaving, so there was some major sexual innuendo. He wasn't cool with it but nothing ever happened.

Well the one thing is, a lot of people have confronted my buddy about him cheating on her in the first place, and he either responded with annoyance or indifference. I have yet to talk to him about it. All I know is that he knows I think his new girlfriend is a total bitch and he doesn't seem to give a crap about that.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 60): Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 56): OK, any aspiring Cyrano de Bergeracs here? Could be fun... wait.....WHAT?

In the play, Cyrano helps his friend woo a girl by whispering what to say to him, and even taking his place in the dark.

From Wiki:

Cyrano remains to meet Christian and coach him. When Christian does arrive, he refuses Cyrano’s assistance, believing that he can woo Roxane on his own. Roxane soon returns, and Cyrano retreats, leaving a nervously tongue-tied Christian to flounder. Roxane leaves him outside, thoroughly disgusted with his loss of eloquence, and Cyrano re-emerges. Christian begs for his help, and they contrive to have Christian repeat Cyrano’s words to Roxane while she is on her balcony; this changes with Cyrano taking Christian’s place to make it easier. In the course of this, a monk arrives looking for Roxane, and Cyrano sends him in another direction. Cyrano then resumes his wooing of Roxane for Christian, winning Christian a kiss from her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrano_de_Bergerac_(play)

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 60): Damn this could be an epic romance novel

You're not kiddin. Let me know when you get published.

Quoting N8911E (Reply 62): Quoting PHX787 (Reply 60): Damn this could be an epic romance novel You're not kiddin. Let me know when you get published.

Could also be a pretty good porno movie. Does she have a hot friend?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 63): Quoting N8911E (Reply 62): Quoting PHX787 (Reply 60): Damn this could be an epic romance novel You're not kiddin. Let me know when you get published. Could also be a pretty good porno movie. Does she have a hot friend?

Yes. Another blonde who loves metal 

Related: I had a conversation with my buddy about the whole incident via text today. It was very short. I've included the whole unedited conversation below.