Is there an Internet Archive (other than the Wayback Machine)?

[Seaboe Muffinchucker]

I'd like to pick your collective brains. I have a document (dated 2012) I'm searching for. It should be a public document (it came out of USEPA), but the only place I found it was a reference in a footnote in a law review article. The footnote came with a URL that led to a 404 Not Found page. Unfortunately, the URL is not in the Wayback Machine.

Does anyone know of another internet archive where I can look for this document?

Thanks for your help.

Seaboe

[Tootsie Plunkette]

It's the only one I know of. Did you try a Google Advanced search of that domain (assuming it's still valid), to see if the document is still there, just moved?

[Seaboe Muffinchucker]

Yup. No dice.

Shucky-darn.

Seaboe

[Mr. Billion]

There are lots of other Web archives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_archiving#See_also

None of them are as big as archive.org's, but many of them collect things archive.org doesn't.

You could also get the document straight from the EPA, of course.

[jimmy101_again]

Do you have any info on the document besides the old URL? If you have a title or set of authors or a couple sentences (from an abstract perhaps) you might just try Googling with that to see if there is another copy out there somewhere.

[Seaboe Muffinchucker]

Oh, believe me, we've tried Googling and Binging. Googling is how I found the law review article. Part of the problem is that there is another document out there with almost the exact same title.

Thanks, Mr. Billion. I'll see what the other archives have if I have time.

Seaboe

[dewey]

My wife just retired as a law librarian for the 1st Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston. She used to despair that young lawyers thought they could find everything on the internet. If your article is about US law then go here:
U.S. Courthouse
700 Stewart Street, Room 19105
Seattle, WA 98101
And ask the reference librarian for help. The library is open to the public. If it regards state law then go to the state courthouse.

Good luck,
dewey

[Seaboe Muffinchucker]

Originally Posted by dewey

She used to despair that young lawyers thought they could find everything on the internet.

Dewey, I understand that you are trying to be helpful and not offensive, but I am a trained law librarian with 30 years experience. I know what can and can't be found on the internet.

Seaboe

[overyonder]

I'll second what Jimmy said. Can you post something that pertains to it, and/or the original link?

OY

[Seaboe Muffinchucker]

It is not on the internet. It was, once. If my attorney decides he needs it, we will get it from the source. I thank you all, but I do this for a living. I know how to find things on the internet.

Snopes, could you close this thread, please?

Seaboe

[jimmy101_again]

Originally Posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker

It is not on the internet.

You have no basis for that statement. It may not be listed in the search engines but that is not the same thing as "not on the internet". Google changed their indexing algorithm last summer and a swath of the scientific web content vanished overnight, at least as far as a Google search is concerned. The actual content didn't change, either in content or in location. It was just the ability to find the content that changed.

[overyonder]

Originally Posted by jimmy101_again

You have no basis for that statement. It may not be listed in the search engines but that is not the same thing as "not on the internet". Google changed their indexing algorithm last summer and a swath of the scientific web content vanished overnight, at least as far as a Google search is concerned. The actual content didn't change, either in content or in location. It was just the ability to find the content that changed.

I have to agree with you above. I've found stuff on the internet that even people paid to find it were unable to.

OY

[Seaboe Muffinchucker]

You two are fixated on giving me advice I do not need, and answering a question I did not ask. Jimmy, you have no basis for your statement that I have no basis because you don't have a clue what I did to look for the document.

I decline to satisfy your need to prove I don't know what I'm doing by explaining further.

Seaboe

[UEL]

Asking for advice and then castigating those who offer some?

I'm not sure what you want then.

Their advice may not be what you need, but you've come across particularly surly in this thread.

I have no clue as to how you can get what you need, but I do hope you get it.

[jimmy101_again]

Originally Posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker

You two are fixated on giving me advice I do not need, and answering a question I did not ask. Jimmy, you have no basis for your statement that I have no basis because you don't have a clue what I did to look for the document.

I decline to satisfy your need to prove I don't know what I'm doing by explaining further.

Seaboe

Sorry for trying to help a person that failed to ask a proper question by leaving out that you are an experienced searcher and that you really didn't want any help anyway, or that you already have access to a magical search tool that has indexed the entire web.

Sorry, but it is a fact that you have no basis for saying the document doesn't exist on the web. All you know is that it isn't at the old location and isn't listed in the search engines you have tried. Sorry but nobody has access to an index that includes everything accessible via the web.

Wait, do you work for the NSA and have access to their search resources?

[overyonder]

It's been my experience that if you give the same tool to 10 very experienced people, that you may get 10 different results, mostly due to personal search algorithms/skills.

That being said, if Seaboe doesn't want to share the name or type of document, it's totally up to him/her (sorry not sure there) to decide whether s/he wants to provide that information.

OY