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ASK RUSSIAFinland's state media is worried that Russia will elect its next president (self.russia)

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https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9705049

Basically, they are reporting in this big story that judging from the previous experience and "undeniable" evidence of Russia helping Trump and Le Pen, Finland will have to also experience the meddling in their elections by Putin personally from his summer cabin in Siberia. However, like always Finland will come out of it strong and unperturbed because of its strong sense of democracy, trustworthiness of the leadership and, of course, that famous and wonderful education system. Lol.

Finland has become such a fucking joke it's not even funny any more.

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[–]MiinusPisteKommentit 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP's post doesn't describe the content of the article.

[–]MistahanghighFinland 190 ポイント191 ポイント  (18子コメント)

I bet none of you could even read the article because it was in Finnish. Op gave wrong and provocative image of the content and it didnt focus on Putin, but the idea that trust to free elections is at risk through different kind of influencing we have witnessed. Article states Finland can be influenced also but that it likely wont be very effective. Op is an agitator. -Finnish

[–]srkrKaliningradskaya[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I bet none of you could even read the article because it was in Finnish

Is reading Finnish some kind of super skill now? Can't people use google translate if they want to check? Do you speak Russian and always check the Russian sources when the media in Finland writes stories about Russia and gives links to sources in Russian? I'm sure you don't.

Op gave wrong and provocative image of the content and it didnt focus on Putin

Are you fucking blind. Oikeesti lue se uudestaan. Putin on yksi puhutuimmistä asioista siinä.

Op gave wrong and provocative image

You don't have to try to distort the picture the article gives because it's a shit show of unimaginable proportions. Maybe in Finland this is the standard for writing now though. Lol, a typical Finnish ''educated" dude that of course was able to understand this "deep" article unlike me. That the article had NOTHING to do with Putin meddling in the democratic process of the free loving West, you are one of those people who claim that a Russian that could ever criticize his country for publishing idiotic propaganda pieces by the most popular news outlet is always a PUTIN TROLL or in your words and agitator. Ja kyl mä osaan suomea aika hyvin, ainakin rittävän hyvin että pystyisin ymmärtämään tälläistä yksinkertaista kieltä (jota enimmistö suomalaisista muuten puhuu). Enkä yhtään kyllä liioitellut siitä miten tälläistä paskaa syötetään suomalaiselle ja nehän aina usko kaikkiin mitä kirjoitetaan HS:ssa ja YLE:ssä (varsinkin Venäjästä) ku Suomessa on NIIN hyvä ja korkealaatuinen koulujärjestelmä ja kansa on niin helvetin sivistynyt:)))))))))))

First of all, look at the damn picture under the heading of the article? Who do you think that man under the mask is supposed to be? Lol, surely not Sauli Niinistö

Now let me give you some quotes from the text, enjoy ;)

Venäjän valtiollisten elinten uskotaan ainakin rahoittavan aktiivisesti hakkeriryhmiä, vaikka virallinen Venäjä on kiistänyt osallisuutensa.

Myös Yhdysvaltain tiedustelupalvelut ovat kertoneet, että ne uskovat Venäjän yrittäneen vaikuttaa presidentivaaleihin.

Jantunen ei kuitenkaan usko, että Venäjä voisi yksi menestyä vaikuttamiskampanjoissa ulkomailla.

Venäjä ei ole ainoa, joka yrittää vaikuttaa. Minkään “ulkopuolisen tahon” toiminta ei myöskään ole kaikkivoipaista.

Venäjä tukee mielellään euroskeptisiä ehdokkaita kuten Le Peniä, koska yksittäisiä maita on helpompia käsitellä kuin vahvoja liittoutumia.

Samaa mieltä on tietokirjailija Jantunen. Hänen mielestään Suomen vastustuskyky ulkopuolelta tulevalle, tai siis venäläiselle, informaatiovaikuttamiselle on hyvä.

Wait this one I need to translate, this is a gem. The researcher Jantunen is of the same opinion, she thinks that Finland's immunity to an attack from the outside, or from Russia, is very strong.

Of course later on the article describes how Finns are basically super educated and civilized democracy loving people with an amazing education system!

All in all, you are a liar and you try to white-wash what Finland is all about or you are stupid beyond belief to really claim that this article is only about some vague notion of Finland being at risk because someone could decide to influence the fair and free Finnish bourgeois elections.

[–]CXNoc 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Putin on yksi puhutuimmistä asioista siinä.

Mentioned once in the article regarding US election.

That the article had NOTHING to do with Putin meddling in the democratic process of the free loving West

True. It's not about Putin. It's about Russia medling with US and French elections.

Of course later on the article describes how Finns are basically super educated and civilized democracy loving people with an amazing education system!

False again. Finnish edication system and democracy is mentioned before your quote and certainly doesn't make bulk of the "rest" of the article.

Mutta kuinka haavoittuvaisia me suomalaiset sitten olemme mahdollisille vaikutusyrityksille?

– Ette kovinkaan, sanoo tutkija Ivana Smolena Prahan turvallisuustieteiden instituutista.

Syitä on lukuisia. Suomi on yhteiskuntana vahva, ja kansalaiset luottavat pääsääntöisesti sekä viranomaisiin että valtioon.

Suomalaisen yhteiskunnan vahvuus on todettu myös kansainvälisissä mittauksissa, joissa Suomi keikkuu liki poikkeuksetta kärkisijoilla – korruptiolistauksissakin toiseksi vähiten korruptoituneena.

Hyvä koulutusjärjestelmä lisää ihmisten tietoutta, samoin uhkien tiedostaminen.

Besides it's a question asked from some foreign security advisor and she simply says Finland is very resistant to foreign influence because people commonly trust their goverment and Finland is one of the least corrupted countries according to some reports. Then it's mentioned in one sentence that a good education system adds knowledge and makes you more aware of threats.

influence the fair and free Finnish bourgeois elections.

This really tells so much about you and how unbiased you are.

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[–]srkrKaliningradskaya[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Putin is mentioned exactly zero times in the article. Not even indirectly

Did you read anything beyond the head line? This is the third sentence in the article:

Kirjekuori sisälsi tiedusteluraportin, joka osoitti Venäjän presidentin Vladimir Putinin sekaantuneen henkilökohtaisesti Yhdysvaltain presidentinvaalikampanjan kyberhyökkäyksiin.

[–]CXNoc 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kinda should have read better myself. Still doesn't make Putin "one of the most talked things in the article".

[–]SilkkiuikkuFinland 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't people use google translate if they want to check?

Have you tried translating Finnish with google translate? It doesn't work.

[–]notonbroccoriNew_User_2017июнь 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ctrl+F "Putin": 2 hits in the article. Sure is Putin-focused.

[–]srkrKaliningradskaya[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How many do you need for it be clear?

[–]samppaaz 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many people here have eaten up the "Russia elected Trump" thing apparently. It wasn't the shitty campaign that Hillary had nooo, but it was Russia. The media just keeps drumming it all the time.

It's such bullshit honestly, maybe they fear that people will vote wrong... gosh

[–]tunskuFinland 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you fucking blind. Oikeesti lue se uudestaan. Putin on yksi puhutuimmistä asioista siinä.

No he isn't, the focus of the article is internet attacks and how they can affect an election. While Putin is mentioned, he definently isn't the main focus.

That the article had NOTHING to do with Putin meddling in the democratic process of the free loving West, you are one of those people who claim that a Russian that could ever criticize his country for publishing idiotic propaganda pieces by the most popular news outlet is always a PUTIN TROLL or in your words and agitator.

Yes, this news piece is really not objective nor does it portray the situation fully. However neither are you, as you seem to really have something under your skin against Finland. And neither are the famed Russian news outlets.

The researcher Jantunen is of the same opinion, she thinks that Finland's immunity to an attack from the outside, or from Russia, is very strong.

Yes, what's wrong with that? A researcher can have his opinions surely?

Of course later on the article describes how Finns are basically super educated and civilized democracy loving people with an amazing education system!

Well it's true, isn't it.

[–]srkrKaliningradskaya[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like a Finnish upvoting brigade has been visiting r/Russia lately:)))

[–]megazverGlorious FSB Motherland Defense Couch Brigade 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Out of curiosity, who's the dark puppet we're supposedly installing?

[–]MiinusPisteKommentit 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No one because the article doesn't describe dark puppets, or specifically point out to our country being meddled currently. Rather it talks about meddling in elections in a more general sense.

[–]megazverGlorious FSB Motherland Defense Couch Brigade 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So it's just generic, aimless meddling? How villainous, yet inefficient of us.

[–]srkrKaliningradskaya[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Some scary looking man, something along these lines http://www.hmsfriday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/finnish-guy.jpg

[–]thatguyx2South Slav 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please don't make fun of such people by posting photos of them.

[–]Stahlboden 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

THis guy's posting videos of himself on youtube anyway.

[–]EXCESSIVE_DOOMFinland 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if this was true why would we even care, the president doesn't have any actual power.

[–]bozmonsterUkraine 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Who cares about Finland, I wish they would just trade with us, no bullshit. If they don't invite foreign military that is hostile to us then we have no reason to be hostile to them.

[–]srkrKaliningradskaya[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

They are de-facto an ally to the US, always conducting military drills with them on the territory of Finland (often in combination with Sweden) to deter the threat from the East, if Putin decides to suddenly annex the democratic and educated Finns.

[–]Highpressa 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm Finnish.

This is fairly accurate. It's always been Finland's prerogative to be neutral. This is why we haven't joined NATO although we conduct military operations with NATO. So in reality it's just a sham, technically we aren't a part of NATO but yet we've been in war with NATO. We are not neutral we are a part of the west.

Much like anywhere else the media is heavily biased against our adversary which in this context is Russia. People think we have a great press here when in reality it's as much of a propaganda machine as anywhere else, always painting Russia's actions in much more negative light and condemning them, as if the West wasn't doing the same things. The reality is West and Russia are in competition for control and we are being told we are in the right.

[–]plushiesharkSpace Troops 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I bet that's some sort of 'yellow press'. My friend from Finland told me funny stories newspapers sometimes produce.

[–]srkrKaliningradskaya[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I wish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yle it's their most popular news source along with the other one being helsingin sanomat, which is even worse. These two are basically the only two meaningful news sources that exist in Finland.

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    [–]plushiesharkSpace Troops 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Woah. I'll ask them anyway.

    [–]EnemiaPskov 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It tells a lot about the country if they need an enemy to be strong and independent.

    [–]GodoftheGodcreators 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Touché, Finland

    [–]radlanceRUSSIA 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    one day all of piter will go buy some salmon in finland, and opa, new president elected

    [–]megazverGlorious FSB Motherland Defense Couch Brigade 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    [–]KeepingThatRealNew_User_2017июнь 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (36子コメント)

    It tells a lot about Finland. Though let them do it.

    [–]srkrKaliningradskaya[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (31子コメント)

    Actually, this is more or less an everyday occurrence in that country. However, many Russians, even on r/Russia, tend to think that Finland is still an independent country, one of the few in Europe that doesn't tend to spew out the never-ending nonsense about Russia as many other EU-countries. Couldn't be wronger. Finland is one of the most anti-Russian countries on there, almost on par with Estonia and Latvia. The funniest thing is that they think they have some kind of deeper knowledge of Russia and its population because they have had to deal with evil russkies for millions of years and also, of course, that northern mindset. Lol.

    [–]thaiflai 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (18子コメント)

    One should remember in these kind of statements that like in many countries, Finland has older population and younger population.

    Older population tends to believe in the "old bad suspicious mother Russia which is the evil fighting against the good old USA"

    ..and there is the younger population which doesn't automatically believe in the hocus pocus stories about evil Russia and tends to read the most neutral "news" about Russia and critically evaluate the sources which they use and so on..

    so even though the population of older generation is greater in numbers, younger generation will be the one in lead soon.

    [–]srkrKaliningradskaya[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Oh the old and over-used "them old people are stupid, the younguns are enlightened!". Unfortunately, this is not true at all though. Not only in this particular case.

    [–]thaiflai 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well you completely misunderstood my point..

    I never stated that older generations would be stupid and youngsters would be enlightened.

    To be honest, by combining the "wisdom of the elders" and the "skills of the youngsters" meaning critical source reviewing, usage of numerous sources, forgetting about what schools taught you as " truth" and also remembering the cold hard facts that happened in our history would result in a fairly neutral view regarding Russia.

    [–]trinitaeUniversal Russian 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I agree completely. On paper, Finland should enjoy a German-esque relationship with Russia but this is nowhere near reality. While on a governmental level there is mutual collaboration and trade on numerous fronts and yet the media is suffering from rapid Russophobia which is a shame. When it comes to the people, a lot of it comes down to, as you said, the Winter War and previous history of being a Grand Duchy in the Russian Empire but it's strange that even in this modern period this seems to continue. The NATO question at least seems to be relatively neutral but 55% of the population would approve of NATO membership if the Finnish leadership approved of it. This election fear-mongering is nothing new in Europe these days (see Montenegro) and I predict that it will die down in the next couple of years.

    [–]KeepingThatRealNew_User_2017июнь 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    many Russians, even on r/Russia, tend to think that Finland is still an independent country

    The first time I hear of it. It's just not in NATO.

    [–]srkrKaliningradskaya[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Many people in Russia still think that Finland more or less conducts its own independent policy and that in addition to that it has a neutral stance to Russia. It's a fact.

    [–]AndreasWerckmeisterEXPAT 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's certainly the impression I semi-had of Nordic countries. Basically a combination of them having a small presence in English-language media, them not being included in Pew opinion polls, and assuming neutrality in absence of evidence to the contrary.

    Realistically, they are more "progressive" than US, and we share borders, so anti-Russian sentiments should be expected.

    [–]KeepingThatRealNew_User_2017июнь 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Many people in Russia still think that Finland more or less conducts its own independent policy and that in addition to that it has a neutral stance to Russia. It's a fact.

    Who are those many people? Many people just know that its former Empire's territory and that currently it's not in NATO. Also, many people from SPb love to buy summer houses in the south of it.

    [–]srkrKaliningradskaya[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Who are those many people? Sorry, I can't give you all of their names.

    [–]tanyalukyanovaKarelia -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Wut, Estonia and Latvija? They're almost entirely Russian, ethnically.

    [–]AlexDub88Ватник-Сионист 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They're almost entirely Russian, ethnically.

    What?? How would they be able to implement their borderline apartheid policies if that were the case?

    [–]VidicMUFCRussian Empire 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    All these newspapers keep talking about undeniable evidence but are not willing to back up their claims. Hmmm.

    [–]srkrKaliningradskaya[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Must be true because Putin and Russia! Are you denying that? Are you some kind of Russian troll?