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Trump Drama/r/conservative users not happy with the pro-trump Mods (self.SubredditDrama)

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I came across the glorious gem that is /r/metaconservative today and it's really changed my perspective on the sub. I used to lurk /r/conservative to get an understanding of what their opinions were on political topic to get the other side of the story. I've posted things there years ago an would self-identify as a leftist and wouldn't get downvoted. Now, when I go to that sub... so much has changed. It honestly feels like /r/the_donald2 in there.

The top-all post on /r/ConservativeMeta is titled:

Chab should be removed as moderator. He simply hurts the sub. He has no principles, makes the discource worse, makes the sub look bad, simply bans people who hurts his fee fees. He acts like a child.

Chab appears to be u-chabanais a moderator of /r/conservative. ITT people are just trashing him for being extremely pro-Trump and banning those that disagree with trump.

Here are some other threads in the sub complaing about /r/conservative

Should Chabanais be removed as a Moderator?

Quality of the sub at an all-time low?

Just got banned by Clatsop (mod) for...nothing actually

The last thread has a really interesting exhange betwen the mod and another banned user. It ends with the mod (Clatsop) telling him to "piss off" (Link here)

Banned for "rationalizing censorship

Banned because chabanais posted a fake article that he thought was real

Is it just me, or has the main sub descended out of serious political discourse?

The highlight of the last thread I linked:

I struggle to even participate at this point, r/conservative seems consumed with conspiracy theories and random anti-Hillary ... Not to mention they've stopped discussing Trump's various problems ... It seems like the sub is slowly being turned into r/the_donald2

And my personal favorite:

Why is TRP in the sidebar?

Mods aren't even denying the alt-right infestation.

3 years ago on /r/conservative, there was a thread asking whether or not they should include TRP in their sidebar.

Here are the top comments:

It has nothing to do with politics, does not reflect even tangentially on the conservative movement and should be removed.

I don't think anyone is looking to the sidebar for strategies on getting a woman. It is irrelevant and should be removed.

The links are irrelevant at best and deplorable at their worst.... So as a feminist and as a social conservative, I find the links despicable. But most of all I just find them embarrassing.

From what I've gathered it was taken down 3 years ago but a few months later a mod sneakily added it back(?) I just can't imagine a thread like this being posted today without a bunch of /r/con posters coming out in full support of TRP in their sub's sidebar.

Hell it looks like it's spreading to other conservative subs too

The sub that was originally created during the primaries in response to pro-Trump mods running /r/Conservative with an iron fist has now been ruined by newly converted pro-Trump mods running /r/ConservativesOnly with an iron fist. There are currently no subreddits for conservatives where they can safely openly criticize Trump.

Chab appears a lot on /r/MC which would make you believe he's a powertripping rogue mod. Why hasn't he been dealt with? Is the full mod team just as crazy as him? Thoughts?

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[–]HauntedFurnitureTurboautist 655 ポイント656 ポイント  (225子コメント)

Why is TRP in the sidebar?

Excellent question, especially when most subscribers were against it. A user tried asking on r/Conservative itself, and chabanais's response was to nuke the thread and report them to the admins. I don't see how any political subreddit can be taken seriously (even before considering all the Trump drama) when it links to politically irrelevant cancer like that.

[–]postironyAnal Political Commentator 289 ポイント290 ポイント  (24子コメント)

You have been reported to the admins for attempting to create cross-subreddit drama

That's not against site rules, sport.

and for vote manipulation

That's not what vote manipulation is, sport.

The admins barely give a shit about subs that are actually illegal, Chabanais. I don't think they're too interested in dipping their dicks into drama that your own moderators caused.

[–]TheRealJohnAdamsneoliberal s(((HILL))) 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm not your sport, pastime.

[–]AndyLorentz 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm not your pastime, hobby.

[–]moon_physicsidk my bff shill 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm not your hobby, avocation.

[–]the_salttrainbastardizing bread culture 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm not your avocation, profession.

[–]IceCreamBalloonsEthics are forged in the fires of flamewar 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not your profession, livelihood.

[–]casper223You look like Scott Stapp had sex with a dirty whore duck. 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not your livelihood, diversion.

[–]AtomhedClinging to My Sanity 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not you're diversion, asshole.

[–]khanfusionJust a stupid diversionist tactic to diminish feminism 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No U

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    [–]jerkstorefranchisee 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Can we not

    [–]PM_For_Soros_Money 144 ポイント145 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    The admins are a joke. TD was calling for actual genocide but "bash the fash" got threats of shutdown

    [–]HoldingTheFire 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    The admins are kind of right-wing themselves. One of them is a doomsday prepper (guns and ammo in a bunker) because they think society will collapse. They literally would rather hid away then try to solve social problems.

    [–]bushizsomethingawfuldotcom agent provocatuer 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Liberals hate socialism more than etc etc etc

    [–]Zeus2895 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    TD was calling for actual genocide

    They did what now?

    [–]KadexeThis cake is like 9/11 or the Holocaust 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He didn't say why he suspected vote manipulation. Maybe the post was getting upvoted too fast, maybe he saw the post linked to from another subreddit, or maybe he's just making excuses to remove the thread.

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      [–]isetmyfriendsonfire 167 ポイント168 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      ayy lmao in the linked thread in that thread

      are you fucking kidding me? They took it down for a while after we made that thread. I didn't even realize it was back up. TRP is a liberal subreddit and absolutely disgusting.

      LIBERAL SUBREDDIT

      [–]Bluest_waters 125 ポイント126 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      you have to understand the mindset. ANYTHING that these people ultimately disagree with becomes "liberal" by definition

      "Liberal" is just anything anywhere anytime that these people find offensive or distasteful or wrong. It's part of their continuing project of creating an entirely new alternative reality

      [–]BrobearBerbil 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      It's like how some of my family sees stuff like the Kardashians as "liberal" even though they're basic LA conservatives, because they're rich and are kinda church people. Even Jenner is Republican still.

      [–]Tightypantsfreezle 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Tbf, Kim literally did an #ImWithHer instagram selfie with Clinton.

      [–]BrobearBerbil 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      For brand, but the families values are more traditional California conservative. The point was more that type of moderate/undecided/conservative middle is thrown into the pile of things called "liberal" by middle America.

      [–]Tightypantsfreezle 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      It depends on what you're considering liberal or moderate, yeah. But she's actually done an interview about how she used to identify as a Republican and then started looking more into issues herself and rejecting some of the stuff her parents taught her. She's pretty solidly in agreement with the standard Dem platform.

      [–]PlayMp1when did globalism and open borders become liberal principles 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Honestly I'm a little surprised to hear that Bob Kardashian was a Republican...

      [–]Tightypantsfreezle 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I was like 12 when he died, so idk anything about his thoughts/life, except "father of The Kardashians, lawyer of OJ Simpson".

      [–]Jiketi 284 ポイント285 ポイント  (98子コメント)

      It seems to be turning into a dictatorship/cult of personality, just like T_D.

      [–]Mister_Jay_PegPopcorn is my 5th major food group 369 ポイント370 ポイント  (97子コメント)

      That is what being a Republican online is now, in a nutshell. You're either a rabid cultish worshiper, or you're going to be shoved out into the wilderness to fend for yourself.

      [–]thaw12I don't care if her vagina melted. 176 ポイント177 ポイント  (34子コメント)

      Basically the equivalent of the authoritarian dad saying to a 10 year old kid, "If you don' like this family, you can get the fuck out ya hear!?"

      [–]postironyAnal Political Commentator 219 ポイント220 ポイント  (30子コメント)

      Meanwhile, Log Cabin Republicans are the one kid who went off to university, who keeps coming to Christmas, desperately seeking the approval of his family despite the fact they all take the opportunity to make fun of him.

      [–]Bathysphere710 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (29子コメント)

      The LC republicans had a booth at my city's Pride fest this year. It was manned by one guy who looked like a sweaty ball of shame and defensiveness. No one went near the booth, and he didn't make eye contact or smile at anyone. I felt bad for him.

      [–]FilipinoPhil 176 ポイント177 ポイント  (28子コメント)

      Don't, he's the one who chooses to stand with people who despise him, nobody forced him to.

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        [–]mystikalhereigo 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        I am the opposite of a conservative but grew up in a rust belt town which impacts all who lived there and the conservative people I know hate Trump. However, online you wouldn't know these people exist. There isn't a shortage of conservatives who disagree on Trump that appear on the news and media either. But I simply cannot find nor do I see conservative anti-Trump people with much of an online presence

        The GOP in general seems to waffle between enabling Trump outright and discussing wether they should drop him.

        [–]BrobearBerbil 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I visited my ruby red midwest town a couple months ago and was struck by the complete lack of stickers or signs supporting Trump. They were all over for Bush for eight years practically. At the same time, I couldn't find people comfortable with openly criticizing him. It's like people still had to do their criticism in secret just in case someone else was a supporter. It felt the same as how you weren't allowed to openly talk about who was racist.

        [–]Orphic_Thrench 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        I've seen anti-trump conservatives around here, they're just usually not very vocal about it for one (or more specifically, not very vocal that they're conservative).

        But also, I mean looking at the numbers, though they may be strong in some regions, overall they're definitely a minority in the Republican Party. He's still sitting at an 85% approval rating among party supporters

        [–]TheRealRonSwanson0 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (48子コメント)

        Tbh that's pretty much what it's been like to be a Republican since the passage of the Civil Right's Act. Before the southern strategy gave rise to the religious right, conservatives were just political moderates who played RealPolitik.

        [–]johnnyslickHer age and her hair are pretty strong indicators that she'd lie 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Before the Civil Rights Act, when they marched behind Joe McCarthy in outing the millions of communists hiding in major positions of authority in America, until it became clear that there weren't really any of those?

        [–]Orphic_Thrench 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Before the civil Rights act both parties had a liberal/progressive wing and a conservative wing. LBJ, Kennedy, etc were liberal Dems, while the conservative wing by that point was largely Dixiecrats such as Strom Thurmond. On the GOP side, McCarthy or Goldwater would be conservatives, while Dewey or Nelson Rockefeller would be the progressive side.

        The Civil Rights Act seriously pissed off the conservative wing, and alienated the South (but for obvious reasons helped them offset that with minority voters, who had been mainly Republican since the civil war). Nixon, seeing that they had lost a big voting block, and looking to replace it came up with the Southern Strategy - appeal to the now disaffected white southern voters who had been solid Democrats since the civil war.

        It wasn't immediate (party loyalty often runs deep), but this quickly meant that the Republican Party was now specifically a conservative party, while the Dems were...well more of a centrist party, but as close to a "lberal" party as you get in the US.

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          [–]BrokenBuckets 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (44子コメント)

          Not really. Romney, McCain, Jeb!, pre-election Chris Christy and John Kasich all represented what the old Republican party used to be, before it totally went off the rails.

          [–]Medical_Droid 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (17子コメント)

          All of those people are awful, they're just more polite than Trump.

          [–]VanFailinVote Hindsight 2020 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (15子コメント)

          John McCain at least expresses his sincere concern about things a normal person would be concerned about. Doesn't stand up for much, but he is concerned.

          [–]Medical_Droid 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Honestly, who gives a shit what John McCain or any of these other "moderate" Republicans say when they vote for absolutely awful shit 99% of the time? McCain loves to showboat as a maverick for the media, mumble about "serious concerns" with Trump, and then votes with his party to approve all of his policies.

          [–]Caelrie 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          John McCain has voted for everything Trump wants to do, every time he gets the chance.

          His objections are nothing but talk for PR purposes.

          [–]ThexareMel Brooks is timeless you okeb. 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Expressing concern is useless when you go along with everything you object to anyway.

          [–]jerkstorefranchisee 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Who cares? When it comes time to do something his chair might as well be empty, or filled with some kind of trained dog that just votes the way the last guy did

          [–]VanFailinVote Hindsight 2020 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          My comment was meant to be dripping with sarcasm. McCain positions himself as independent-minded, but he's holding his nose and going along with this administration just like everyone else.

          [–]tardmancer...cuckmate 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          How very dare, Comrade Jeb! would have destroyed fascism at all costs, he'd even kill a baby to prevent it.

          [–]Orphic_Thrench 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          They may represent what the party was in the 80s, but that's not the party before the civil Rights act and Southern Strategy changed both parties.

          What they're talking about is the party​ of Eisenhower and Dewey - they had a conservative wing but it was not the same as the modern Republican party at all. (Eisenhower himself was considered a conservative - y'know, civil Rights act of 1957, "military industrial complex" Eisenhower)

          [–]BrobearBerbil 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I feel like Dole was the last real Republican candidate from that previous era.

          [–]mystikalhereigo 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (23子コメント)

          Lindsey Graham surprisingly has been one of the most ardent anti Trump GOPers

          [–]Puggpu 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Not really surprising, he has an extremely safe seat so he can afford to be vocal about it.

          [–]BrobearBerbil 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          He's kinda like the Feinstein of Republicans, a safe mouthpiece to use for controversial opinions.

          [–]TeddysBigStick 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I would not call Graham a mouthpiece. He has a variety opinions, a suprisingly large number of them against the grain of his party, particularly where welfare is concerned.

          [–]Caelrie 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (18子コメント)

          How "anti-Trump" can you be when you vote for everything Trump puts in front of you?

          [–]lebron181 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Him and McCain are outliers yet when it comes to votes, they vote where the party says to vote.

          [–]GamiacNA CIVILIZATION LUL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Basically, moderate Republicans are the fringe now.

          [–]Caelrie 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          http://prestersperspective.blogspot.com/p/narrativist-framework-compaction-cycle.html

          It's a compaction cycle. They happen at pretty predictable intervals.

          [–]Orphic_Thrench 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          An interesting framework...

          Definitely some merit there, though I can spot a few issues... I'd like to see a solid analysis if it by someone more properly trained to do such a thing than I am

          [–]Zemylarabid anti-STEMite 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yeah, I've been hyping up that blog series myself. It really explains a lot about the current Republican party.

          [–]johnnynutman 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          It was also created by a GOP representative.

          [–]4THOTIt's really about games journalism if you think about it... 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          A member of the GOP created TRP? Well... that really wrinkles the raisins doesn't it...

          [–]VanFailinVote Hindsight 2020 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          State representative, which hardly counts.

          [–]LtNOWIS 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          New Hampshire state representative, too. They have 400 state reps, far more than any other state, even though they're so small.

          [–]khanfusionJust a stupid diversionist tactic to diminish feminism 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          That's a neat spin.

          "An elected official created this abomination among the interwebs, but it hardly counts because he was just a state rep."

          [–]VanFailinVote Hindsight 2020 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          That's a valid criticism. I'll expand my remarks a bit; New Hampshire is the 41st-largest state but has the largest legislature. Their reps represent about 3300 people each.

          This means that to say that the guy who created TRP was "a GOP representative" can mislead you into believing that the rep in question was part of the United States Congress, which is a way bigger deal, hence my pithy and not-fleshed-out comment.

          For what it's worth, this representative ran unsuccessfully as a Democrat) before he was elected as a Republican. I'm not saying that any of this makes his efforts with TRP less appalling, but that the ties to the GOP are more coincidental. He resigned after it came out that he was the one who created TRP, unlike people who are much more important to the GOP machine.

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            [–]jamesjwalking 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Whenever I hear anyone mention red pill I instantly just think of hopelessly romantic losers that need to go to those dating seminars only to become more creepy and sexually aggressive... I mean MAYBE there's some small truths here and there, but overall making it into a way of life is beyond cringey. Anyone successful with women will tell you it didn't happen because of red pill philosophy.

            [–]itsaride 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            TRP= The Red Pill for those wondering.

            [–]AtomhedClinging to My Sanity 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            These are the same people always talking about the Left attempting to "normalize" pedophilia and Satanism. Doesn't surprise me they are actually attempting to normalize TRP in real life.

            Looking back at who founded TRP, I'm more surprised to find that being an issue they have with the sub. Pleasantly surprised, that is.

            I would imagine a lot of people ignoring that.

            [–]ParamoreFanClubGiving u the helicopter dick 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Holy shit lol I needed a laugh

            [–]halfarthe dude who does all those fucking navy seal flanders posts 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            they also link to /r/monarchism

            i'm not kidding.

            and that's a real sub.

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              [–]KhaelgorPopCorn lover 308 ポイント309 ポイント  (16子コメント)

              I'm starting to think it's a conspiracy theory. The Admins put TK in charge to run the sub like shit to make conservatives look bad.

              Just like the USA's Admins plan to put Trump in charge to make republicans look bad.

              [–]manwithaflanOver simplifies everything, as is the yank way 176 ポイント177 ポイント  (14子コメント)

              Now that's a deep state conspiracy theory I can get behind.

              [–]Amelaclya1 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (10子コメント)

              There was a conspiracy theory during the primaries that Donald Trump was only running at the behest of Bill Clinton to make it easier for Hillary to win, and to make Republicans look bad.

              Life would be so much better right now if that had been true. At least he's succeeding at the latter even if it's not intentional. Unfortunately he's also making the entire country look bad at the same time.

              [–]Andy_Liberty_1911 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Yup I used to think that, though to be fair there isn't much difference what has happened if that wasn't true. Trump won and doesn't want the job but if he resigns he'll feel like a loser and he hates that.

              [–]mmm31415 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              it's kind of funny if you imagine he's basically george trying to get fired from the yankees.

              he's going to show up to the G8 in a body suit

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                    [–]Billlington 175 ポイント176 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                    I've followed r/conservative for a while and the sub turning on chab is inevitable. Chab running that sub like his own demented kingdom has rubbed people the wrong way for a couple of years now.

                    That sub could actually be a decent sub for conservative discussion but chab and some of the other mods blanket the sub with low effort memes and purge rational discussion for t_d/conspiracy level garbage that, as far as I've seen, a lot of people don't like.

                    [–]Andy_Liberty_1911 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Chab banned me and told me that his America doesn't have people like me, sort of terrifying if you ask me.

                    [–]Billlington 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    The implication being that the United States should be a single party authoritarian state. These people are unhinged.

                    [–]Whipplashes 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    If it makes you feel any better I got banned for saying the Southern Strategy happened.

                    [–]halfarthe dude who does all those fucking navy seal flanders posts 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    it's starting to feel like most conservatives are like them...

                    [–]Illogical_BloxI will take my win in this conversation with that ad hom attack 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    Isn't he literally a teenager, too?

                    [–]dabaumtravisI am euphoric, enlightened by my own assplay 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    No thats CaptQuestionMark iirc

                    [–]choob_ 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    chab was like 14 when he started. Mentally not much has changed.

                    [–]hanzzz123 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    A 14 year old conservative? Huh.

                    [–]choob_ 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Well, a 14 year old r/conservative mod. I'm not sure many people that actually use that sub would qualify as conservatives.

                    [–]redditor41217 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Must have rich, white parents.

                    [–]Brover_ClevelandAs with all things, I blame Ellen Pao. 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    There's a bunch of theories. For a while he was so active that it was assumed a bunch of people were sharing the account.

                    [–]abyss6"white privilege" are how things like the holocaust happen. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I mean, barely now, but yeah. Last I heard (like 3 years ago) he was like 16.

                    [–]JustTrayDisgustingly White 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                    There are currently no subreddits for conservatives where they can safely openly criticize Trump.

                    This is a talking point anti-Trump people should be shouting from the rooftops. How is this not a HUGE red flag to Republicans, holy shit?

                    [–]superfeds 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    It's been known for awhile.

                    The Nevertrump republicans lost. Now we're waiting and hoping for Kaisch to step up.

                    [–]eighthgear 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Because most Republicans stopped criticizing Trump once he won. Authority worship is core to the GOP once someone with an R by their name gets elected.

                    [–]xjayrooxNote to self:stop wasting time with atheists, they're all trolls 457 ポイント458 ポイント  (89子コメント)

                    So as a feminist and as a social conservative

                    It's gotta be pretty goddamn hard to reconcile those two identities at times

                    [–]IgnisDominiEthnomasochist 146 ポイント147 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                    Maybe they're a second-waver who never moved on with the times.

                    [–]OMGWTFBBQUE 199 ポイント200 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                    "Feminism means I get to help decide what kind of washer and dryer my husband buys!!!"

                    [–]IgnisDominiEthnomasochist 216 ポイント217 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                    I was thinking more along the lines of "Sexism is bad but marriage is between a man and a woman and black people need to get over themselves and solve their own problems."

                    [–]OMGWTFBBQUE 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                    0 wave feminism.

                    [–]ironiclegacycalling memes a hobby normalizes incompetence 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                    actually, wasnt the thing about black women a second-wave feminism thing? I remember a lot of black women in the 70s or so being angry at the feminist movements of the day

                    [–]deadcelebrities 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                    Black women are still angry at non-intersectional feminists today (justifiably so imo.)

                    [–]Spaceman_JalegoWhen fascism comes to America, it will come smothered in butter 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    justifiably so imo

                    I think people who think that anger and frustration at non-intersectionality isn't justified are either blatantly ignorant or willfully so.

                    EDIT: Willfully, in this case.

                    [–]NotfromFresno 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yeah, intersectional feminism is third wave, after all the second wave feminists decided they got theirs, and moved onto a "post feminist society."

                    [–][deleted] 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    My dad was a woman's rights activist. Not my mom, no, dad wouldn't allow that.

                    [–]madashellothere 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Even second wave feminism doesn't really jive with social conservatism. I know evangelicals who consider themselves progressive for their movement who say things like "God wants men to have 51% of control in their marriage, so wives have an obligation to follow their husbands, but 49% is really pretty egalitarian, so if you think about it, we're like feminists too, but we love and obey Jesus." I'm not making this shit up, I've heard multiple evangelicals say things just like that, including the 51% metaphor.

                    [–]Defenestratio 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I've heard things like that...from what I've seen, 51% "of control in marriage" often means "I get to financially, emotionally, and sometimes borderline physically abuse you but I'll let you pick out the color of the drapes"

                    [–]strugleArl of Shredcliff 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Second wave feminists were the 1960s era bra burners. They are comically incompatible with social conservatism.

                    [–]PlayMp1when did globalism and open borders become liberal principles 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Well, on the other hand, TERFs.

                    [–]sweetjaaane 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    TERFs aren't conservative either. They don't believe that men and women are inherently different and don't think they should have segregated gender roles. Which is their (supposed) basis for hating trans people.

                    [–]PlayMp1when did globalism and open borders become liberal principles 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Right, I was more trying to be humorous. TERFs obviously aren't conservative, but they damn well do agree with conservatives on that issue.

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                      [–]DMforGroup 100 ポイント101 ポイント  (28子コメント)

                      I mean. They just can't be right? You can't be those two things. It bugs me that r/conservative is just now acting like there's hatred in their ranks thanks to the Donald. This political party has been railing against social progress as one of their major talking points for decades and now that, that hatred has come home to roost they throw their hands up and say "Hey! You guys are being way too obvious about this!" As if their bullshit hadn't created the perfect environment for this thinking to form.

                      [–]Medical_Droid 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      Trump is literally the perfect embodiment of modern American conservatism, he's the gestalt id of our nation's racist uncles who own a flooring company and yell at the TV.

                      [–]My_Box_Has_VD 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      And those racist uncles also screw over their business partners and contractors and sexually harass women they find attractive, and fat-shame and looks-shame the ones they don't.

                      [–]Medical_Droid 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Also an irrational fear of Islamic terrorism despite living out in suburbia. Nobody is going to be flying a 787 into the local Applebees.

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                          [–]kyoujikishinEnhancing the weeb 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          one acronym, terf

                          [–]strugleArl of Shredcliff 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Maybe they hate minorities, gay people and the poor and figure three out of four still works?

                          [–]tilmoph 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (28子コメント)

                          I thought about it, and I came up with a possible set of beliefs that satisfy the criteria.

                          Before anyone has a meltdown, I am neither endorsing or critiquing these, nor asserting these as gospel truth. I just wanted to play at figuring out a socially conservative feminist, and this is purely speculation.

                          -Women are equal to men, and should have all the same rights, options, and opportunities, and should be paid the same amount for an equivalent amount of work. Not compensating that way should be punished by fines/should be a civil tort/both

                          -There are only 2 genders, defined by the 2 standard sexes. Being intersex physically does not eliminate the 2 gender system, as there just aren't enough such people to merit creating a gender category for them.

                          -Abortion when the mother's life isn't threatened by the pregnancy should not be legal. A women's right to control her body does not trump a child's right to life. Unborn children are children/a category that approximates to children for legal and philosophical purposes. The currently living woman's life does take precedence over an unborn child;s in the case of medical emergency, however.

                          -Women should have a right to divorce for cause, and should have the right to marry or not marry any man or no man at their own discretion.

                          -Marriage is a institute between one man and one women (maybe toss God in here if we're assuming a religious bent); man-man and woman-woman pairings, open relationships (whether mutual or one-sided), and polygamous relationships are invalid and should have neither legal nor social recognition.

                          That's just the ones off the top of my head that I could see coexisting in someone's head fairly easily, there's probably more.

                          Also, to reiterate, this post has no bearing on my own beliefs. I am neither condoning nor critiquing any of the ideas posted.

                          [–]yfip 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          can't remember where read it, but i once saw the idea that women and men have equal but separate roles as an example of a conservative feminist beliefs. so like the issue for them isn't that people think women are naturally more nurturing and emotional, its that those traits aren't as valued as men's are. i don't know how common that belief is though.

                          [–]12-juin-3049If you follow gaming culture you'd know where im coming from 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                          I mean that abortion belief isn't in line with feminism at all, and it's definitely not modern intersectional feminism.

                          [–]tj1271 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                          I've always thought that there's no good reason why feminism must include Pro-Choice. Like, I understand that in practice that's how it goes, but why? Can't there theoretically be a feminist who philosophically believes that life becomes human at conception?

                          [–]The7thElement 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                          I think of it this way: even if someone truly belives an embryo is the same as a full term human infant, they are still taking away the woman's right to bodily autonomy if they deny her an abortion. Now this would not be as big of an issue if the right to life always outweighed the right to bodily autonomy, but it doesn't, and no one is suggesting it should except in the case of pregnant women. For example, no one is forced to be an organ donor despite the fact that doing so could save someone's life. There is especially a need for bone marrow donors, but there is no group advocating for everyone who is physically able to register to be a donor. In this case a pregnant woman would have less rights than everyone else, including corpses since people have the right to choose not to donate their organs after death, if abortion were made illegal. I think wanting women to have less rights than the rest of the population is definitely a feminist issue.

                          [–]Garethp 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          We really should make organ donation mandatory, or at the very least opt out

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                            [–]gokutheguy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Sure you can believe life begins at conception, but you can't use that as a basis for stripping women of their reproductive rights.

                            [–]EvilConCarne 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Pro-choice comes part and parcel with feminism due to the issue of body autonomy. Control over conception, terminating it, or carrying it have been central issues in female bodied women's lives for as long as they have existed. This became a feminist issue once governments started regulating things like contraceptives, abortifacients, and abortions due to it encroaching on bodily autonomy and reproductive rights.

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                              [–]BrobearBerbil 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Maybe he just thinks gay marriages should have one person stay home and clean the house and raise the kids, but it's ok if the more feminine partner is the one with the job.

                              [–]virohmYour Reddit karma is just a reflection of your life 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              Got baned from conservative for anti Trump comments detailing how he wasn't conservative. This After multiple post submissions to the sub that were upvoted.

                              Really annoying to see that sub pro Trump when he's not conservative fiscally.

                              Edit: the sub also has r/kotakuinaction on the sidebar, listed as "ethics". What a fucking joke.

                              [–]HAN1776 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Same. Got banned for saying how emulating rThe_Donald isn't helping win anyone over. They even link to the fucking RedPill, a sub where rapists talk freely about their crimes and gives shady advice on how to have sex with strangers. How is that conservative??

                              [–]GeneralRipper101YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              a sub where rapists talk freely about their crimes

                              I like how they only give a shit about the "rule of law" when it comes to Latinos.

                              [–]halfarthe dude who does all those fucking navy seal flanders posts 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              dude, they even link to /r/monarchism

                              yes, that's a real sub, and yes, it's exactly what you think it is.

                              [–]rsynnott2 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              They even link to the fucking RedPill, a sub where rapists talk freely about their crimes and gives shady advice on how to have sex with strangers. How is that conservative??

                              Well, in fairness, Dear Leader himself gave similar advice to Billy Bush.

                              [–]AvengerMKII 152 ポイント153 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                              Trump and the Tea Party ruined the conservative part of the US. You can't even have a serious discussion about anything negative of Trump without someone saying fake news or being called a shill.

                              [–]topicality 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              He and they are like the id of the Republican party.

                              [–]boocethefunnydogYOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              After a certain point, when you have enough control over the party's direction, ethos, and general policy positions, you go from being the id to the superego.

                              [–]Medical_Droid 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                              Trump and the Tea Party ruined the conservative part of the US.

                              When were they ever good? The only thing that's changed is that now they're less polite.

                              [–]Spaceman_JalegoWhen fascism comes to America, it will come smothered in butter 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              single tear slides down William F. Buckley's cheek

                              [–]Medical_Droid 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              To his credit, at least Trump hasn't openly endorsed Apartheid South Africa or colonialism in general.

                              [–]socoldrightnow 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Only because apartheid and colonialism are tough words for him to spell.

                              [–]Aiskhulos 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Well not recently. I bet if you went back to the 80s you could find something.

                              [–]GlitchinessBorn of drama and unto drama shall return 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Before the Southern Strategy?

                              [–]Medical_Droid 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Before the Southern Strategy the GOP was mostly WASP-y social moderates who reserved most of their hate for poor people as a class, rather than racists pandering to snake-handling religious zealots like they are now. They were still shit, but not quite as gross.

                              [–]Zemylarabid anti-STEMite 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Southern Strategy

                              You have been banned from /r/conservative.

                              [–]TheRadBaron 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              And that they're now embracing ethnic nationalism, pledging to massacre families for having the wrong blood in their veins, writing policy with the aim of banning people from entering the country on the basis of their religion, bragging about sexual assault, destroying international confidence in NATO, making the press and the very concept of truth their open enemy, and a billion other things.

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                                [–]superfeds 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                The same battle is being fought in /r/republican and /r/metarepublican.

                                There are large portion of Romney/Kaisch type Republicans like myself that feel that Trump is just a bridge too far. It causes a lot friction with the pro-Trump wing of the party.

                                I don't really follow /r/conservative anymore since getting banned from it, but it doesn't surprise me. Any kind of moderate or centrist thinking gets you on a watch list.

                                If you don't show enough support for Trump you get booted, usually for breaking rules specifically made to protect Trump.

                                Happened to me in both subs now.

                                [–]BrobearBerbil 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (36子コメント)

                                The sad thing for Republicans is that Kasich probably would have won and they wouldn't have had to look as terrible as this administration is making them.

                                [–]strugleArl of Shredcliff 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                There is a reasonable argument that if Kasich or Rubio or Jeb run than the election would have hinged on substantive issues, which favors democrats in national polling. Despite the narrative and the Clinton team's perception, Clinton voters had an ordinary split between people who said they were voting for her and those who said they were voting against Trump, while Trump's voters were unusually likely to say they were voting against Clinton.

                                The election being a mud wrestling competition was not to Clinton's advantage, and I think even blame can be split between the Clinton campaign and the media.

                                [–]BrobearBerbil 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I feel like in the end, we shouldn't have let it get down to those two candidates as a country. I say that as someone who thinks Clinton has gotten unfairly villainized beyond reality by both people on the left and right.

                                [–]superfeds 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                He would of had a good chance and I think would of been the best for the country.

                                However people on the far right will never accept him because he's willing to work with Democrats on things like healthcare.

                                The repeal and replace crowd can't tolerate him.

                                [–]BrobearBerbil 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                They hated Hillary so much though. Most of my extended Midwest family that voted Trump just said that he wasn't Hilary and that's the biggest reason they voted for him.

                                [–]Realtrain 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                In upstate NY I know a ton of people that hated Trump but still voted for him instead of Hillary.

                                I think people really underestimate how hated she was and how much that helped Trump win.

                                [–]BrobearBerbil 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                A day after the election, I saw a stats journalist say something like, "the dislike for Clinton was more calcified than we predicted..."

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                                  [–]superfeds 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Yeah. I agree

                                  I think Trumps win was more about hating Hillary and Liberals than supporting Trump

                                  [–]halfarthe dude who does all those fucking navy seal flanders posts 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  it was conservatives being more loyal to their own than liberals, imo

                                  let's not pretend like there's any real significant divide amongst the right. trump has what, an 80% approval rating from them?

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                                      [–]BourbonAndFrisbee 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      I can't believe /r/conservative is more of a shitposting T_D storm than /r/republican is, considering one sub is supposedly about conservative principles and the other is about the right wing party meta. Doesn't make sense.

                                      [–]superfeds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Yeah

                                      Both are kind of shit shows at the moment.'

                                      /r/Republican has liberal PTSD. They're so afraid of downvotes a lot of threads get locked and deleted because of a lack of Republican talking points. It seems more about limiting Trump bashing though.

                                      [–]Jiketi 135 ポイント136 ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                      So, it seems obvious that if you're anti-Trump you're not welcome in r/conservative.

                                      This kind of manichaean "You've either with us or against us" view is dangerous and proliferating across the political spectrum. Bipartisanship is a faraway dream now.

                                      [–]Anlashok2016Killer Klown Popcorn Gun 142 ポイント143 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      Bipartisanship is dead. We killed it by treating our politics like like we do our sports.

                                      [–]PrivateIdahoGhola 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                      Bipartisanship isn't dead when the GOP is willing to work with the other side. This year, Kansas managed to finally get past the disastrous tax cuts because Democrats and moderate Republicans worked together to defeat the teabaggers. Also this year, Democrats and moderate Republicans in the House came together for the continuing resolution which kept the government from shutting down, and increased funding in the short term for agencies Trump & the national GOP are trying to kill.

                                      The problem, in the past 8+ years, has mostly been with the Republican Party and their decision to obstruct Obama and Democrats at every turn. Obama tried countless times to work with the GOP and was usually rebuffed. He kept trying long after any other reasonable person would have quit. It wasn't until his final year that he slipped into "give no fucks" mode.

                                      It's ok to dislike the Democrats. I'm not saying they're perfect. But the death of bipartisanship is not "both sides". The Democrats will probably be less willing to cooperate in the future because of the hostility they've faced from the GOP. But they're not the root cause in the slightest.

                                      [–]gokutheguy 113 ポイント114 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      The problem is that the "moderate Republicans" aren't in power anymore and have completely caved.

                                      You can't work together for good policy with people who don't think climate change even exists, for example.

                                      [–]PrivateIdahoGhola 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      At the state level here in Kansas, the moderates have essentially become their own party. They're at war with the radicals led by Brownback and Kobach, and have openly rejected much of the GOP's current nihilistic view of government services. It's an interesting situation that I think is a harbinger for how the national GOP will evolve.

                                      But yeah, they've mostly caved for now nationally. If the moderates had been in charge of their party, the country would be in a better place.

                                      [–]toastymow 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      I've been saying this for a while, but the GOP party will cannibalize itself the "Tea Party" continues to threaten to primary republicans who don't vote hard right 100% of the time.

                                      [–]jerkstorefranchisee 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Yeah we’re very rarely talking about a situation where one group wants a 5 percent tax and the other wants 6, we’re talking about straight up “that problem isnt real, fuck you.” No shit there’s no bipartisanship, one of the sides rejects reality. You can’t “the truth is in the middle” whether or not a thing is real

                                      [–]towishimp 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      There are signs of hope. The troubles getting the healthcare bill through Congress are case in point. The Republicans are caught in this catch-22 of wanting to pass far-right shit to please their hardcore base, but also not wanting to do anything too far-right, because most of America is against such shit.

                                      [–]Amelaclya1 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      I hope Democrats will be less willing to cooperate in the future.

                                      Not because I think bipartisanship is wrong. Or that I don't like compromise as a general principle.

                                      But look at how far right the political discourse has shifted in this country on both sides (for economic issues). This is a result of the Democrats continually being willing to compromise with Republicans who give no concessions in return.

                                      Look at Obamacare for example. It was based on a Republican plan, and Republicans were part of the process of drafting it, with hundreds of amendments added at their request. Even that wasnt good enough and now they are drafting bills behind closed doors without even allowing any Democrats any input at all, or even being allowed to read the damn thing before it's released publicly.

                                      The GOP has proven for decades that they are unwilling to compromise, and now we are in the place where it's not political suicide to literally say that children don't deserve healthcare and old people don't deserve food.

                                      Fuck compromising with those fucking assholes. It's time the Democrats (when they hopefully get the opportunity) stop bending over for the GOP, because it's the whole country that gets fucked in the ass.

                                      [–]aboy5643Card Carrying Member of Pao's S(R)S 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      And people constantly forget that Bill Clinton's (and more broadly '90s Dems') stupid ass Third Way-ism still infects large swaths of the Democratic Party. They openly embraced right wing economic thought! The Democratic Party is lucky to call itself centrist on economic issues even in 2017. The party didn't magically become like Obama (who himself is center left at best) when he was elected. It's time to stop pretending the political conversation is centered anywhere near any semblance of an actual political center. It's overwhelmingly still in support of business interests and capitalists.

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                                          [–]InMedeasRage 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                          There's always been bipartisanship!

                                          Between the Tea Party and the GOP rank'n'file. badump tish

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                                            [–]postironyAnal Political Commentator 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            Chab appears a lot on /r/MC which would make you believe he's a powertripping rogue mod.

                                            Unfortunately, he's actually a longtime mod and a fixture in that sub. I think he was like 15 or 16 when he first got moderator privs, and he behaves appropriately. I don't know how old he is now.

                                            [–]dirtygremlinyou're clearly just being a fastidious dickhead with words 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            what's an r/MC?

                                            [–]IratusTaurus 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Presumably metaconservative

                                            [–]dirtygremlinyou're clearly just being a fastidious dickhead with words 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Thank you, I should have pickup on that.

                                            [–]_Ph03niX 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            It would be better than driving a gremlin, certainly.

                                            [–]citedOn a mission to civilize 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            "Banned for rationalizing censorship"

                                            Wow

                                            [–]CalfuriousTrump is a radical moderate 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            The irony speaks for itself.

                                            [–]Cheeseisgood1981 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I actually feel a little bad for (reasonable) conservatives. Living in Indiana, I know quite a few of them. They hate Trump, and many even hate Pence (although, that may be because we've had to live with his specter looming longer than the rest of the country).

                                            It has to be difficult to see your party turn into something so divided and ugly that it no longer represents your beliefs.

                                            I know someone is going to reply with something to the effect of, "it's their own fault", and I don't disagree with that. It's just that I actually enjoy honest, well informed debate with educated conservatives that simply have a different perspective than my own. No matter how ardently I may disagree with them, I usually came away learning at least a little bit more about their side.

                                            Now, most of my conversations with them quickly devolve into what a mess the GOP is, or how disappointed they are in their former golden boy, Ryan, or how awful Trump is. And that's kind of sad, in a way.

                                            [–]BourbonAndFrisbee 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I know so many smart, well educated, socially liberal(ish)/live and let live conservatives. They don't like Trump one bit. I'm a left leaning independent, and we always "spar" off with little ideology debates. It always ends friendly and we go on living. None of us are happy with the political climate of the US. They get labeled "poor haters / racists" and nothing productive gets accomplished.

                                            [–]boshaus 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            /r/askaconservative is a joke as well and will delete comments/ban users critical of Trumps policies.

                                            [–]Felinomancy 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            So we're finally seeing the beginning stages of the formation of a spine from r/con users? Good for them, although it's long overdue.

                                            [–]theironlamp 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            He's also put in requests to take over the much smaller /r/neoconservative

                                            [–]Smeshoj 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            As a conservative I'm staying far away from that sub. I'd love to discuss with American conservatives to see why they like Trump but it's impossible there. Can't criticise one thing!

                                            [–]Alexsandr13This, but metaphysically 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            Mind expanding on that? Why do you call yourself a conservative and what do you believe?

                                            [–]Smeshoj 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            I’m a conservative in Sweden. The moderate party appeals to me because of their environment/energy and economic plans. I’d also like to see stricter border control.

                                            It’s hard to specify exactly what I believe in, because different countries tend to have different ideas of what to ‘conserve’ and different priorities. If you’re Swedish you get what I mean by moderate!

                                            Either way, this is not the place to discuss it :) If you wanna chat more you can contact me privately!

                                            [–]HAN1776 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Also you're not seeing even half the real complaints since the same mods run both conservative and metaconservative.

                                            [–]ngwooNo one knows you're a furry under a burqa. 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            Ever noticed how the meta versions of liberal subs are batshit insane, but then you go to conservative subs and the insane versions are the non-meta ones?

                                            I wonder what this could ever possibly mean?

                                            [–]superfeds 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            In liberal subs and politics in general(in the US) the moderates are in charge and mainstream.

                                            In conservative/right wing subs and politics , it's the far right extremists that have control.

                                            This means far left liberals and moderate republicans get ostracized for not going along with the herd.

                                            [–]TolniDo not ask for whom the cuck cucks, it cucks for thee. 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Doesn't really work with r/Canada and /r/metacanada. Both are awful.

                                            [–]ngwooNo one knows you're a furry under a burqa. 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Yeah but look at the post history of the people shitting up r/canada. It's all the_donald and metacanada.

                                            [–]MarshallWatts 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Please expand. I'm curious.

                                            [–]khanfusionJust a stupid diversionist tactic to diminish feminism 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Pretty sure any right-leaning political sub that allows a user as notorious as chabanais to be a mod is a bullshit sub. Dude's a whack job, straight up.

                                            [–]cisxuzuul 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I remember when the funniest (saddest) thing about the sub was that they had a 13 year old mod.

                                            [–]Excalibur54 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            There are currently no subreddits for conservatives where they can safely openly criticize Trump.

                                            What about r/Conservatives?

                                            From their sidebar:

                                            A less stringently moderated alternative to /r/conservative for conservatives. Feel free to speak your mind, as a conservative, without fear of being banned. Non-conservatives may ask questions and engage in polite conversation with conservatives, but should avoid heated debate or downvoting based on opinion.

                                            [–]Choppa790If we didn't take his airbase we'd be cucks. 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Why is TRP in the sidebar?

                                            Because it is the distillation of conservative social issues to its core.

                                            [–]freet0the Golden Meme 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            tfw you get censored for rationalizing censorship

                                            [–]SnapshillBotShilling for Big Archive™ 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I know now I'll never have any flair again and I've come to terms with that.

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                                            3. /r/conservative - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, archive.is*

                                            4. /r/the_donald2 - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, archive.is*

                                            5. /r/ConservativeMeta - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, archive.is*

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                                            7. Should Chabanais be removed as a Mo... - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, snew.github.io, archive.is

                                            8. Quality of the sub at an all-time l... - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, snew.github.io, archive.is

                                            9. Just got banned by Clatsop (mod) fo... - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, snew.github.io, archive.is

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                                            11. Banned for "rationalizing censorshi... - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, snew.github.io, archive.is

                                            12. Banned because chabanais posted a f... - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, snew.github.io, archive.is

                                            13. Is it just me, or has the main sub ... - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, snew.github.io, archive.is

                                            14. Why is TRP in the sidebar? - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, snew.github.io, archive.is

                                            15. there was a thread asking whether o... - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, snew.github.io, archive.is

                                            16. /r/con - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, archive.is*

                                            17. Hell it looks like it's spreading t... - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, snew.github.io, archive.is

                                            18. /r/Conservative - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, archive.is*

                                            19. /r/ConservativesOnly - archive.org, megalodon.jp*, archive.is*

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                                            [–]Shrimpscape 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Why is TRP in the sidebar?

                                            lmfao I actually feel bad for that guy who had to find out the subreddit was infested with trash like that

                                            [–]ParanoidFactoid 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            /u/chabanis has been cancer modding that sub since at least 2011.

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