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Wouldn't it be better to teach cultural appreciation than try to enforce cultural appropriation? (self.socialjustice101)

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Given our increasingly globalizing world culture will change and share with other cultures. How can we expect one culture to stay separate from another. Given that lots of discourse occurs over the internet how am I supposed to know not to use the AAVE "fam" or "bae" when I subconsciously assume the person I am talking is from the same culture.

Basically it seems as though aggressively arguing for an end to cultural appropriation is futile given our current time in history.

Cultural appropriation is using another cultures' traditions, food, fashion, symbols, technology, language, and cultural songs

It seems as though the only thing this would be good for is avoidance of appropriating historical fashion and cultural songs. Otherwise we should just be teaching cultural appreciation and fundamentally respecting the origins of say a specific type of music.

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[–]smashes2ashes 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (12子コメント)

We should be doing both. The whole reason cultural appropriation is bad is because those who actually belong to that culture are being marginalized and even denigrated for wearing or doing things related to their life, religion, and culture while at the same time white people are borrowing these same things as a fashion statement that aren't just acceptable but complimented. When people can celebrate their own cultures without getting shat on then maybe this would be less of an issue for things like cornrows and dreadlocks.

Just because you claim to appreciate the culture of Native American tribes doesn't mean it's now Ok for you to wear headdresses that are sacred to them at music festivals and root for the redskins. Certain aspects of culture and religion just straight up can't be appropriated by someone outside of that culture or religion and claim respect towards it at the same time.

[–]Neo24 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shouldn't the proper response to that be to directly work against the marginalization and denigration of native expressions of a culture instead of policing what other people wear? Does prohibiting other people from say, wearing cornrows and dreadlocks, actually help this cause, and how? It honestly seems to me that strictly and forcefully limiting a certain cultural aesthetic to that group only makes it harder to "normalize" this aesthetic in the eyes of the wider population. If non-black people follow and accept and see as desirable black beauty standards doesn't that help in fighting against their denigration?

I can get things like the headdress that have a larger-than-ordinary cultural/religious significance, and the situations where there's blatant economic exploitation and injustice seem even more clear, but when it comes to ordinary every-day cultural markers like normal hairstyles and clothes?

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    [–]smashes2ashes 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    The big issue you're missing here is that white cultures aren't being denigrated like other non white cultures are. Like I said, if other cultures weren't getting shat on all the time for expressing their culture then this wouldn't be much of an issue.

    There's no issue with a black person using a European painting technique when European painting and culture has never really been denigrated in the same capacity as African artists and styles have and still are.

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      [–]Nitrodaemons 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Until wealthy and powerful people stop respecting and funding European culture

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        [–]JlmmyButler 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        you remind me of my best friend. one of the best dudes i ever knew. rock on

        [–]imonlyperfict[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Heres one of the best arguments I've heard for the dreads thing. https://www.reddit.com/r/socialjustice101/comments/6ichc7/opinions_on_a_white_guy_with_cornrows_is_this/dj5652r/

        And the redskins thing I see as being morally wrong because he has "red skin" in this cartoonish way and the team is called the "redskins", a racial slur. Those two things aren't cultural appropriation, they are racial stereotypes and racial denigration. The headdress itself is something a native american person would wear given a certain cultural tradition, right? I don't think that people are mad about the headdress (which is cultural), I think they are mad about the portrayal of the person's skin and stereotypical facial features and the name of the team (which is racial).

        [–]smashes2ashes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        The redskins was a poor example but the headdress and other religious/sacred symbols are still valid. Unless you're part of that religion or culture then there is no real respectable way to appropriate those symbols.

        [–]imonlyperfict[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's why in my original post I mentioned historical fashion. By that I mean traditional clothing. Not yeezies but traditional African garb and headdresses.

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        [–]halfercode 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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