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[–]jcvynn 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (290子コメント)

Funny I thought the John Brown club was antifa. I wouldn't be advocating for those who oppose our constitutional rights.

[–]Bab5crusade[S] 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (283子コメント)

Antifa are gun owners. We don't fight fascism with speech.

[–]jcvynn 161 ポイント162 ポイント  (231子コメント)

Antifa are fascists fighting speech with violence. Free speech is a constitutional right just like keeping and bearing arms. Supporting antifa is like supporting Mom's Demand Action.

[–]BaronSathonyx 141 ポイント142 ポイント  (38子コメント)

Antifa in the US is primarily full of spoiled, entitled NEETs LARPing as socialist revolutionaries with zero knowledge of what Communism actually looks like.

The only response Antifa deserves is mockery and ridicule.

[–]patkasper 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Antifa are fascists fighting speech with violence.

I get what you're getting at, but Antifa is at the total opposite end of the political spectrum as fascism. The word you're looking for is authoritarian.

Fascists are fascist. And, for example, Marxist-Leninists are authoritarian communists.

[–]trashythrow 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

fascism

>A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

The only part separating Antifa from Fascist is nationalism and a dictator unless you include their fanboyism of other countries and their dictators. Then they fit the definition to a T.

[–]patkasper 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fascism is a very specific ideology.

Authoritarian:Totalitarian are general terms.

[–]Bab5crusade[S] 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (175子コメント)

Antifascim is fascism? That's a contradiction.

I guess the antifascist Kurds fighting ISIS are ISIS or the Spanish Anarchists fighting Fascist Spain are fascist themselves?

Free speech against fascists never stopped fascism. Lettjng them have free speech just gives them a platform to spread their racist hate.

[–]jcvynn 94 ポイント95 ポイント  (37子コメント)

I can paint stripes on a horse and call it a zebra, doesn't mean it's true.

Antifa use anti fascists for their name, but doesn't mean it's true.

Kurds figuring ISIS aren't antifa, not even remotely related to the anti free speech movement here in the US and a few other countries. You don't get to arbitrarily decide to deny free speech because you don't like what is being said, that is fascism.

[–]azorthefirst 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If the name of something is the only proof you need of the politics of a group then the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" is a beautiful democratic utopia and the "Kingdom of Sweden" is an absolute monarchy.

[–]tdavis25 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You, of course, forget the National Socialist German Workers Party.

[–]EpicLevelBadass 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (103子コメント)

Antifa is anti-fascism like the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic republic.

Just because it's their name doesn't make it what they represent. Look at their actions rather than their words.

[–]nabilhuakbar 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (11子コメント)

antifacism is fascism? that's a contradiction

...which is why everyone hates you. Rioting and trying to kill people with bike locks for exercising their freedom to free speech -- which is the same freedom you have to free speech -- is pretty damning. Suppressing free speech with violence is quite the fascist thing to do.

Free speech against fascists never stopped fascism.

I really don't think you understand what fascism actually is.

Lettjng them have free speech just gives them a platform to spread their racist hate

OH, I get it now! We should all have equal rights to free speech, but some of us are just more equal than others! That's what you mean, isn't it?

sounds like all you're really looking to do is create an enemy out of people you disagree with, dehumanize them, and then turn it into an "ends justify the means" extermination campaign.

Keep pushing though. The harder you hit, the more people you knock out of their moral high ground stupor. Every day, more and more people are seeing you for the useful idiot psycho brainwashed neo-marxist Soros footsoldiers that you are. You're not gonna like the way that this fight you're starting ends.

A lot of us were content to live and let live. You're showing us that all you want is to hurt, and eventually kill, everyone that isn't 100% onboard with your insanity. All you're doing is showing everyone else that you can't be reasoned with, and you'd gladly murder anyone who disagrees with you and feel completely justified doing it because in your mind you're "killing nazis." So keep it up. Bullets are gonna start flying one day, and you're gonna get your shit absolutely stomped in by people in far better shape than you. People who actually do manual labor and hunt and have military service under their belts.

[–][deleted] 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

implying antifa has the upper body strength to raise even a 10/22

[–]BaronSathonyx 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No, you fight "fascism" with bike locks wrapped in dish towels, pepper spray in the face of innocent bystanders, explosives hurled at the elderly, and autistic screeching.

[–]300BLK_Lives_Matter 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, you fight free speech with violence.

[–]Wichitawesome 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

antifa need stomped out

[–]Space_Russian 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well since they think I'm a fascist, guess I better fight them with not-speech too. Wait, so what was the problem with the NRA video again?

[–]TotesMessenger 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (75子コメント)

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[–]jcvynn 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (74子コメント)

Wow he linked to his own post. Twice.

[–]MosEisleyCantinaBand 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (54子コメント)

Gotta call in the brigade somehow.

[–]jcvynn 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (52子コメント)

No kidding, funny how the votes suddenly went positive from negative.

[–]lespuka 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (51子コメント)

I mean, it still is kind of dumb to downvote someone on the basis that he's a left-leaning person who likes guns, because apparently they can't exist, is it not? You can still like guns for a variety of reasons even if you're a 'dirty commie' and I think it's perfectly fine to advertise socialist gun organisations on a sub dedicated to guns, that's not something to downvote the person for.

[–]jcvynn 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (50子コメント)

He's advocating for antifa basically, a known violent group that is against rights. It isn't because he is left leaning that he is downvoted.

[–]WillitsThrockmorton 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

He re-posted this in LGO so this should be interesting.

[–]jcvynn 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And gunpolitics now.

[–]WillitsThrockmorton 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's like he just discovered the gunnit-o-sphere, I know plenty of lefties who post in these subs; never seen him before.

[–]jcvynn 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's a few commenting who appear to have followed his links here as well.

[–]WillitsThrockmorton 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Check out what one of his followers just said in the LGO thread when I commented to OP that he would be a lot more compelling if he hadn't admitted to not participating in elections

People like them prefer to ignore trolls and non-serious comments. Is that really such an issue to ignore the serious and helpful content they laid out in their post?

Clicking on that guys post history has nothing but ultra-left subs until magically he started posting in firearms subs after OP started posting.

[–]lespuka 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I mean he's perfectly correct, why can't a socialist or commie like guns?

[–]jcvynn 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Never said they couldn't. But advocating for a violent fascist group that is against a constitutional right tends to rub most gun owners the wrong way.

[–]OhmNaz 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right on the nose friend.

[–]covfefe_sauce 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This pretty much. John Brown and redneck revolt are a bunch of crazy antifa wackos. No way similar to the NRA.

[–]covfefe_sauce 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (13子コメント)

These are armed political pseudo-paramilitaries that advocate violence while the NRA is an apolitical organization for gun rights and gun safety which leans right wing because the Republicans in America support less gun regulations. Look at PETA for example, it's an apolitical organization but leans left because the Dems do more for animal rights. RR and JBGC are the equivalent of crazy militia members who want to open fire on the government.

Also lmfao at fatass john brown members shooting pepe the frog cut outs in that one video. I can't take them seriously after that lol.

[–]OhmNaz 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jbgc aren't real militia members. They would've been drummed out before they were taught anything. And that is why I have the belief that the John Brown Gun Club is just militia/military rejects who couldn't join because they were seen to be mentally incompetent. So now they larp together as a team.

[–]SpecialAgentSmecker 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

apolitical

Ehhhhhh... not so much.

To be clear, I'm a NRA member (not totally by choice, but that's a different story). I support some of what they do and oppose some of the rest. They've done good, they've done bad, and they've done plenty of in-between. They are NOT, however, apolitical, in any conceivable way. Shit, the literally have a political action wing, the NRA-ILA.

[–]Reus958 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Leans right? They spew right wing propaganda daily.

They also advocate violence. Watch Dana Loesch's video "the violence of lies." She all but directly calls for the right to grabs arms and fight the left.

[–]ProletarianBastard 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm sorry, but you can't call the NRA apolitical.

Just look at that most recent video with Dana Loesch that they put out. There isn't even anything about gun rights or the 2nd Amendment in it; it's just a bunch of conservative talking points about how "the left" are ruining our country, indoctrinating children, and demonizing cops. And let's not forget the other video with Loesch they did about a year ago, where they blamed violence on a "godless America." That has nothing to do with gun rights. When they put out these PR pieces, it may get their rural, white, religious Baby Boomer political base frothing at the mouth, but that is a quickly shrinking demographic. They need to be trying to promote the 2A among as many groups as possible. Hiring Colion Noir was a good idea, but they need to do a lot more along those lines.

[–]ghostfox1_gfaqs 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I mean, 2 of those things are true. The left does demonize police over stupid bullshit (Mike Brown, for one, I remember those riots pushed by the left). It also does indoctrinate kids (see modern feminism and how cancerous it is, compared to real world facts).

That doesn't mean the right doesn't do the same sort of thing either, however.

[–]Reus958 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, 2 of those things are true. The left does demonize police over stupid bullshit (Mike Brown, for one, I remember those riots pushed by the left). It also does indoctrinate kids (see modern feminism and how cancerous it is, compared to real world facts).

It's indisputable that cops have gotten away with many unjustified murders, particularly of black people, in the last few years. E.g., Philando Castile.

"Modern feminism" isn't taught in school, like Dana Loesch states.

[–]BieberWasCanadian 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Linking to my friends so we can get a good laugh.

Just out of curiosity, when society collapses after you get your way, do I get to open carry or conceal carry in the breadlines? What are the mandatory conscription terms like? Am I allowed to keep all my teeth?

[–]learath 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (106子コメント)

So, I gotta ask - who do you vote for?

[–]Bab5crusade[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (105子コメント)

I didn't vote.

[–]swingawaymarell 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (42子コメント)

If you were 18 who would you have voted for?

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    [–]the_real_MSU_is_us 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Cool anecdote about your family, but one fact still remains:

    99% of left wing politicians are anti gun. You cannot vote for a politician who wants nationalized healthcare without also voting for one who wants "assault rifles" banned. Maybe if there were more partied you could find a left wing pro gun candidate, but it's not the current reality.

    That's why we make fun of left wing/socialist gun rights advocates; if gun rights were really important to you, you wouldn't vote for gun grabbers. It's like saying your pro women as you beat your wife.

    But I don't doubt you can be left wing and pro gun, I'm simply saying you can't vote for both of those simultaneously

    [–]Wichitawesome 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    this is the reality that these fucking commies reject

    [–]souprize 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The Democratic party is not "left" from the perspective of communists or anarchists. They are left of Republicans/conservatives, but both are right-wing neoliberal parties that support imperialism and the oppressive system of capitalism. Democrats/liberals are no friends of socialists.

    [–]ChopperIndacar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hey now let's be fair. They reject pretty much all realities.

    [–]covfefe_sauce 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I just looked at your post history. No way you're over the age of 19 lmfao.

    [–]Kysbu 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I began studying communist and anarchist writings in my early teens

    Im shocked, shocked i say

    [–]SideFumbling 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Leftists should be purged.

    [–]ZombieJohnBrown 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I just read a bit of your post history, and you're completely unhinged dude. In all seriousness, get some help.

    [–]SideFumbling 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I'm perfectly hinged, my man. I just recognize the evils in the world for what they are.

    [–]gokucanbeatsuperman 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Agreed. They are the world's greatest evil. History has proved that time and time again.

    [–]SolusOpes 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (55子コメント)

    Good.

    Your voice has no merit.

    And it makes it easier for my kind to run your life.

    As Pericles said, "Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you."

    Your life is run by people who show up. What a terrible way to go through life. Always beholden to other people.

    But I guess some people need to always be told what to do and how to live.

    [–]ziglander 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There's more to politics than voting.

    [–]ZombieJohnBrown 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They think that democracy only happens for one day every 4 or 6 years

    [–]lespuka 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    then again the average dude wouldn't really notice if there was a republican president or a democrat president since they're both corrupt as fuck and serve the interests of the guys with the money

    [–]jcvynn 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Horshoe theory from a layman's perspective?

    [–]lotictrance 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Less that and more "both neoliberal parties behave nearly identically"

    [–]La-Z-Bruh 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    And it makes it easier for my kind to run your life

    Unless you're especially wealthy or powerful you don't really run anyone's anything but it must feel awfully good to believe that choosing your masters grants you some kind of dominion over people who didn't bother.

    [–]Bab5crusade[S] 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (44子コメント)

    Why would a communist vote for Hillary, Sanders, or Trump. They all serve the capitalist system.

    Also my vote never matters in the electoral college anyway.

    [–]WillitsThrockmorton 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Why would a communist vote for Hillary, Sanders, or Trump. They all serve the capitalist system.

    I mean, if you were so inclined you could have wrote in Mickey Mouse. And while they do all "serve the capitalist system" to one degree or another, there's something to be said for trying to mitigate damages.

    Also my vote never matters in the electoral college anyway.

    You know that there are elections that occur at other than Federal Level, right? State and Local elections tend to personally affect you more than Federal ones.

    [–]Bab5crusade[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I only voted locally, but not any of the politicians.

    [–]SolusOpes 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (32子コメント)

    Spoken like someone who doesn't understand the process.

    You're inexperience has been noted.

    Thanks for playing.

    [–]Bab5crusade[S] 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (30子コメント)

    Explain to me why me a COMMUNIST should vote for someone I don't like?

    My state is a DEEP blue state. My one vote to the Socialist Party isn't going to hurt Hillary chances getting my States electoral college votes.

    Also this election shoes that the loser can become the winner. Twice in my voting age lifetime. Our system sucks and our system only serves the two party system.

    [–]NoRealsOnlyFeels 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    If you're a real communist, why aren't you off in a mile long line of people to get this week's food rations of a bag of M&Ms and a few sheets of cardboard?

    [–]Lifeform604 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It is rather disturbing that any of those have members at all. The "redneck revolt" site states their roll models are people who thought murdering anyone who was willing to work was a reasonable tactic for negotiating benefits.

    [–]EpicLevelBadass 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (120子コメント)

    I get what you're saying, but socialism is generally used to trick the poor into murdering the successful and then setting themselves up for famine. I'd rather not support any such organization.

    [–]Bab5crusade[S] 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (76子コメント)

    Not like you're getting tricked right now by the ruling elite.

    Oh non socialist states suffer famine too.

    [–]SolusOpes 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    You know there's grades between socialist and "ruling elite", right?

    I'm not sure one could make an adequate argument that a surgeon, or a multiple small business owner is "the ruling elite". But they're making 500k+/year and have freedom to enjoy life.

    Something that is antithetical to Socialism. Because the State takes so much from those who succeed to either disenfranchise them entirely, or at the very least demotivate them.

    I'm in the top 3% in net worth in the US. If you think I'm the "ruling elite", then you're a fool. But I also work hard at what I do specifically because I'm incentivized by success and the rewards that come with it.

    If you took that from me by instituting socialism I'd simply leave the US, or let this country be devoid of my skill-set as I just dug ditches with everyone else.

    Why work hard if hard work is meaningless?

    As they say: "A socialist is someone who's read Marx. A Capitalist is someone who understands Marx."

    [–]beavermakhnoman 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm in the top 3% in net worth in the US. If you think I'm the "ruling elite", then you're a fool.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/06/the-hoarding-of-the-american-dream/530481/

    A Capitalist is someone who understands Marx.

    LOL Marx was one of the main inventors of the word "capitalism" to begin with. The term wouldn't even mean what it means today if not for him.

    [–]Seukonnen 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Your analysis relies on a large number of misinterpretations and intentional cold-war-era disinfo propaganda about what socialism is, you know.

    [–]nabilhuakbar 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I didn't know that The Gulag Archipelago was disinfo propaganda

    [–]MarkXarl 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    As they say: "A socialist is someone who's read Marx. A Capitalist is someone who understands Marx."

    You mean Reagan, whose boots I assume you most enjoy licking.

    [–]Gothmog26 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Better than sucking Castro's rigor mortis cock like you.

    [–]ZeitgeistNow 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    the monsters I idolize are much better than the ones I project on others!

    You kindergarten commies are so cute

    [–]EpicLevelBadass 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (44子コメント)

    The largest famines of human history were in socialista countries.

    [–]vanulovesyou 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (17子コメント)

    socialism is generally used to trick the poor into murdering the successful and then setting themselves up for famine.

    "The successful"? Like all those factory owners who used to make (or still do make) workers labor under horrible conditions, including children, until socialist reformers and progressives pushed for labor laws?

    Oh boohoo for the fat cat exploiters. Some of you people will defend anything that happens under capitalism no matter what.

    [–]EpicLevelBadass 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Have you read the Gulag Archipelago? If not, you don't really know what happened in the Soviet Union, which would mean that you're exactly the type of person that was manipulated by Stalin into murdering their neighbors simply because those people had more.

    People who work harder are supposed to have more. Property is not theft, nor is it oppression.

    [–]vanulovesyou 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Have you read the Gulag Archipelago?

    Yes, I have. I am familiar with Solzhenitsyn.

    If not, you don't really know what happened in the Soviet Union, which would mean that you're exactly the type of person that was manipulated by Stalin into murdering their neighbors simply because those people had more.

    What a bunch of over the top crap. I described labor and social reforms THAT CAME IN THE US and the WEST. Good grief, it's as if you're still stuck in the Cold War.

    People who work harder are supposed to have more.

    There are plenty of people who work hard that don't have "more," and there are plenty of people, such as Donald Trump and his sons, who were born into wealth and who have never spent a day in their lives sweating for their paycheck. They've never felt callouses on their hands or the burn of the muscles on their backs from working a thirteen-hour shift.

    Oh, but please tell me more about the heroic ruling elites.

    Property is not theft

    That quote is from an anarchist.

    [–]ShotgunPumper 174 ポイント175 ポイント  (217子コメント)

    Socialist and communist countries are not known for civilians having any right to keep and bear arms. In fact, the exact opposite seems to be the case. Anarchy is nonsense for edgy teenagers.

    So uhh, I'll stick to the NRA, GOA, etc.

    [–]ProletarianBastard 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (33子コメント)

    I always find it interesting how people will list off socialist/communist countries that had restrictive firearms laws, but they never mention the capitalist countries that have draconian gun laws (which is the vast majority of them.)

    [–]ShotgunPumper 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (32子コメント)

    • "I always find it interesting how people will list off socialist/communist countries that had restrictive firearms laws..."

    All of them.

    • "...but they never mention the capitalist countries that have draconian gun laws"

    Not all of them. In fact, not many of them until they started to be taken over by socialism/communism/marxism/whatever word you personally like to call it.

    Not every capitalist country is pro-gun, but every pro-gun country is capitalistic.

    [–]Malumazeth 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (30子コメント)

    How have they been taken over by socialism, communism, and Marxism if they're still capitalist?

    [–]ProletarianBastard 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think that by "taken over by socialism/communism / marxism" he means "some Social Democrats came in and gave people free health care." These folks equate even the most centrist liberal with a full blown Marxist-Leninist.

    [–]crouton976 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (28子コメント)

    The thing is, they're not really capitalist. They're crony capitalist, which is shit compared to actual capitalism.

    [–]Malumazeth 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (20子コメント)

    Show me actual capitalism.

    [–]crouton976 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (18子コメント)

    It doesn't exist 100% in the world as far as an economy, but there are places that come extremely close, such as Chile, Hong Kong (before China assumed control over it again), the US in the 19th century, Singapore, Estonia, Switzerland, and many more. In fact, the US didn't even make it into the top 10 most Capitalist Nations in 2016, depending on who you ask.

    True capitalism is more or less this: two or more parties voluntarily entering into an exchange of goods and/or services without interference from an outside source. That's it... It's really that simple.

    [–]Malumazeth 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (17子コメント)

    So, by that standard that means crony capitalism is in fact actually-existing capitalism, and corruption, graft and interference are features of the prevailing capitalist order, not bugs.

    [–]crouton976 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (16子コメント)

    SO by that standard that means the type of Communism under the USSR or the Socialism happening in Venezuela right now is in fact actually-existing Communism and Socialism, and corruption is a feature of the prevailing Communist or Socialist order, not a bug.

    See what I did there?

    Edit: what is the common denominator between Communism, Socialism and Crony Capitalism? I'll give you a hint: it rhymes with Rubber Mint Horse...

    [–]AngryData 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The wonderful land of Somalia!

    [–]BatMally 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Switzerland comes to mind.

    [–]vanulovesyou 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (57子コメント)

    The same NRA that just made a video characterizing half of America, including many of us on the left who own guns, as being the enemy?

    Screw. That.

    The NRA doesn't represent gun owners. It represents the Republican party, and a hysterical branch of it at that.

    BTW, Marx was for arming the working class. He even talked about this in a speech to the Communist League.

    [–]ShotgunPumper 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (38子コメント)

    • "The same NRA that just made a video characterizing half of America..."

    Does the media and the violent leftist protesters make up half of the country? I could have sworn they made up a very small but very vocal portion of the country.

    • "The NRA doesn't represent gun owners. It represents the Republican party..."

    They'd represent the Democrat party if they were pro-gun and the Republicans were anti-gun, but that's just not the case. They suggest not voting for anti-gun politicians.

    • "...Marx was for arming the working class."

    Every communist country ever has disarmed its population and genocide'd its people. Never put any value into what politicians say; always watch what they and their policies do. Communism always always always leads to a total ban on guns.

    [–]vanulovesyou 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Does the media and the violent leftist protesters make up half of the country?

    Why are you lumping in the media, which is a large industry with thousands of people of all political beliefs, together with a group of protesters that number in the dozens?

    I could have sworn they made up a very small but very vocal portion of the country.

    Very small. Yes. Very vocal? Only due to conservatives giving them any attention. Most of these "protesters" are the Black Bloc, who hate liberals and the media almost as much as conservatives do. Do you guys ever try to do any research on these things?

    They'd represent the Democrat party if they were pro-gun and the Republicans were anti-gun, but that's just not the case.

    That isn't true whatsoever. The NRA is a branch of conservatism and a branch of the GOP. It's all about party politics. It's why I quit the NRA around 15 years ago when they became even more partisan than before.

    Every communist country ever has disarmed its population and genocide'd its people.

    First of all, every "leftist" nation isn't communist. Second, civilians owned guns in the USSR, especially in the rural areas.

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    [–]NEPXDer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Very small. Yes. Very vocal? Only due to conservatives giving them any attention.

    Now I get that this may be the case some places but as a person in Oregon let me tell you that the violent leftist protesters take zero encouragement on the West Coast. There are thousands of people who happily come out as black bloc/anti-fa up from Berkeley to Seattle and all the liberal cities in between.

    [–]Worst_Patch 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (31子コメント)

    Apparently Cuba, Kerala, USSR, China etc etc had genocides.

    They didn't. USSR had like one famine made awful by the fucking Kulaks grain hoarding. China had one huge one caused by administration fuck ups and an experiment with "sticking to a plan for five years no matter what the fuck happened".

    Mao's worst crime was killing anarchists, Stalin's worst crime was also killing anarchists and worker collectives (not all of them but too much).

    Kulaks fucking deserved worse tbh.

    [–]ShotgunPumper 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Cuba and the USSR had massive Genocide; China's genocide continues to this day on their systematic killing of falun gong practitioners in order to harvest their organs and sell them on the black market. Kerala looks like its about to have its very own ethnic cleansing.

    [–]FoxBellyRubs 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Even accepting that that's the case, it's a huge stretch to say that China's treatment of the Falun Gong has literally anything at all to do with their economic structure.

    [–]NEPXDer 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    Apparently Cuba, Kerala, USSR, China etc etc had genocides.

    Uh are you kidding? USSR Holodomor (8-11 million dead) in Ukraine and Chinese long march/great leap forward (20-45 million dead) but oh no they aren't genocides because they are communists that you like...

    [–]Lifeform604 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    The same NRA that just made a video characterizing half of America, including many of us on the left who own guns, as being the enemy?

    You are. You continue to vote for those who's platform is restricting the rights of others. Wanting an exception for yourself is just hypocrisy.

    [–]sunshlne1212 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    So republicans DON'T want to restrict LGBTQ rights, abortion rights, voter rights, or the right to unionize?

    [–]Up_North18 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's almost like both sides are just their own brand of shit sandwhich

    [–]Lifeform604 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So republicans DON'T want to restrict LGBTQ rights

    That depends on what you are trying to claim is a 'right'.

    abortion rights

    If abortion is a 'right' then so is having any other unwanted dependent child killed. There is no rational basis for an in utero exception.

    voter rights

    Only if you believe there is a 'right' to vote without having to verify eligibility.

    or the right to unionize?

    Nope. You can join whatever union you like, and no one wants to make that illegal. It is when you demand that unions be able to extort membership dues out on anyone who works in a particular profession that you have an issue.

    [–]SideFumbling 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    The same NRA that just made a video characterizing half of America, including many of us on the left who own guns, as being the enemy?

    You are.

    [–]vanulovesyou 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Orwell described your mentality well in 1984.

    [–]Malumazeth 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Is that the only book that you've read approaching the subject of Communism? I'm sure that by now you're at least aware that Orwell was a socialist.

    [–]vanulovesyou 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I never said anything about communism. Also, I am very aware that Orwell was a socialist.

    [–]nzmn 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Your fellow Americans are not "the enemy" because they are "on the left". Read the other Amendments if you don't believe so - freedom of speech and the right to vote are pretty damn clear.

    This hysterical BS video by the NRA is about as unamerican as it gets. A few violent protesters at a rally in Berkeley don't represent "the left" any more than people like McVeigh or Roof represent "the right".

    [–]azwethinkweizm 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You seem to be forgetting that we have politicians who took an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

    [–]HeloRising 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (59子コメント)

    Yeah given that this is officially sanctioned NRA media, I'll steer well clear.

    [–]ShotgunPumper 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (58子コメント)

    Everything in that video is true. I don't understand the outrage.

    [–]vanulovesyou 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    No it isn't. It's pure hysteria, acting as if everyone who voted against Trump or who doesn't support his programs are the enemy. As "they." It's like something out of a banana republic.

    The worst hypocrisy is that the NRA compared Obama to the Nazis and Hitler over and over again.

    The NRA certainly isn't a "fist of truth." It is pure propaganda for the gun lobby.

    [–]ShotgunPumper 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    • "It is pure propaganda for the gun lobby."

    This statement is my point in its entirety. The NRA exists to try and defend the second amendment. That's it. That's its major goal. It will try to see that the second amendment is defended. They will support any political party that supports the second amendment, whatever that party happens to be. They will oppose any political party that itself opposes the second amendment, whatever that party happens to be. The left has a long track record of anti-gun political policy whereas the right has a long track record of pro-gun attitudes. Since the NRA is pure propaganda for the gun lobby, it makes total sense that they try to promote the pro-gun political party and oppose the anti-gun political party. If the Democrat party became pro gun and the Republican party became anti gun then you'd better believe they would turn around on a dime and start attacking the other way. The opposite is true so the opposite is what they are currently doing. Being mad at the NRA for its position is like being mad at a tiger for having eaten the sheep that it was locked up with; that's just its very predictable nature.

    [–]vanulovesyou 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The NRA exists to try and defend the second amendment. That's it.

    No, it doesn't, or it wouldn't have made a video that acted as if everyone who voted against Trump is an enemy of the state.

    Like at all the B.S. claims it made about Obama while he was in office, most of which never even came true. It was all about ginning up hysteria to get more members and to help the GOP.

    I am very pro-2A, and I will never in my lifetime support the NRA ever again due to the hair-on-fire craziness that erupted with Obama and has worsened under Trump.

    [–]PercussiveAttack 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (52子コメント)

    How deluded are you that you buy this propaganda?

    [–]ShotgunPumper 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (51子コメント)

    Does the left control the media? Yes.

    Does the media inspire riots and anti-police sentiment? Yes.

    Do the police have to do their jobs and does that sometimes lead to killing a criminal? Yes.

    Do does the media then play off of these shootings, which most of the time is absolutely justified, to then fuel more outrage? Yes.

    [–]vanulovesyou 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Does the left control the media? Yes.

    Are you kidding? Sinclair Broadcasting, which controls the programming that 70% of the American viewing audience sees, is conservative. Did you know that? Of course not.

    Talk radio is dominated by the right wing.

    Fox News has had top ratings for years.

    It's as if the right has a need to characterize itself as the victim even when they control the White House, Congress, and the majority of governor's offices and state legislates. It's as if you won't be happy until you control everything. THAT is called authoritarianism.

    Does the media inspire riots and anti-police sentiment? Yes.

    That is absurd. The media's job is to be the watchdog of the government, who cops represent. If cops beat or shoot people without justification, the media will report it as they should.

    Quit acting as if the police are a protected class that can do whatever they want out of the public's eye.

    Do the police have to do their jobs and does that sometimes lead to killing a criminal? Yes.

    Sometimes? More and more people are dying to the police, often without justification. And partially since people like you enable their behavior, giving them cover for whatever they do.

    Do does the media then play off of these shootings, which most of the time is absolutely justified, to then fuel more outrage? Yes

    That's funny that you talk about "fueling outrage" in reply to an NRA video that is clearly meant to fuel outrage.

    The media is doing what it's supposed to be doing. The only issue here is that some right wingers would prefer that we didn't have a free press at all.

    [–]ShotgunPumper 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    • "Sinclair Broadcasting, which controls the programming that 70% of the American viewing audience sees, is conservative."

    The right is represented by some people on the internet, Fox news, and most of talk radio. Almost every other single source of news is entirely controlled by the left and only serves the purpose of promoting the narrative. If 70% of people happen to seek out conservative news sources as opposed to the many, many left wing sources of news then so be it.

    • "It's as if the right has a need to characterize itself as the victim even when they control the White House, Congress, and the majority of governor's offices and state legislates. It's as if you won't be happy until you control everything. THAT is called authoritarianism."

    Woah woah woah woah there pall, the American people themselves voted those conservatives into office. I wouldn't call the will of the people being realized "authoritarianism".

    • "The media's job is to be the watchdog of the government..."

    In theory but not in practice. The media, with the exception of the conservative sources of news that we have already discussed, did absolutely no watchdogging actual journalism on the Obama administration despite there being plenty of material to be looked at (Fast and Furious, the IRS being weaponized against conservatives, Benghazi, etc).

    • "If cops beat or shoot people without justification, the media will report it as they should."

    They should not, however, lie about honest police officers in order to paint them as being evil despite having done nothing wrong as happens all the time.

    • "Quit acting as if the police are a protected class that can do whatever they want out of the public's eye."

    I can't quit something that I've never started to do.

    • "More and more people are dying to the police. often without justification."

    They often do have perfectly good justification, but you wouldn't know that if all you watched was CNN and MSNBC.

    • "The media is doing what it's supposed to be doing."

    They are not suppose to lie and be and unoffical branch of a political party as they are now.

    [–]vanulovesyou 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Almost every other single source of news is entirely controlled by the left

    You know, there isn't much mainstream media left after radio and TV. Furthermore, you don't seem to realize that there is a difference between liberals and "the left." The average leftist on the street has little to do with Hollywood.

    I wouldn't call the will of the people being realized "authoritarianism".

    Tyranny of the majority? Ever heard that phrase?

    Anyway, I am talking about the attitude that you and other conservatives have shown -- that, even when you control the levers of power, you still act as if you are the victims here. Authoritarians always need someone they can characterize as the enemy as showed by the crazy NRA video.

    In theory but not in practice.

    It's practice and not just theory. How do you think we've heard about all of the biggest scandals in modern history?

    The media, with the exception of the conservative sources of news that we have already discussed, did absolutely no watchdogging actual journalism on the Obama administration

    Those conservative media sources did nothing but push hysterical conspiracy theories while overlooking REAL watchdog journalism. If you knew anything about journalists (and there are thousands of them on the beat every day) then you would know that they love a good story regardless of the politics involved.

    From small town halls to Capitol Hill, journalists cover all the various levels of American governance, and they should be commended for their efforts instead of continually being characterized (or attacked) as the enemy by conservatives.

    BTW, attacking the press is one of the sort of things that authoritarians do as well.

    (Fast and Furious, the IRS being weaponized against conservatives, Benghazi, etc).

    Fast and Furious began under Bush, but conservative media didn't cover that. The IRS has been "weaponized" more against liberals than conservatives, often with the support of Republicans, but I am sure Fox News didn't report that, either. Benghazi turned out be nothing despite years of investigations by Republicans and conservative media.

    They should not, however, lie about honest police officers in order to paint them as being evil despite having done nothing wrong as happens all the time.

    I don't see that happening at all. Do you realize how often police shoot or beat people without anything happening at all to them?

    They often do have perfectly good justification, but you wouldn't know that if all you watched was CNN and MSNBC.

    CNN and MSNBC cover shootings or beatings that happen under questionable circimstances, but you wouldn't know this, would you? These things happen on a regular basis.

    They are not suppose to lie and be and unoffical branch of a political party as they are now.

    Oh, the irony, as conservaive media such as Fox News acts like de facto state media for Trump.

    The problem is that you see ANY criticism of Republicans and Trump as representing the Democrats, as if there isn't outside the two party system.

    As I said before, some conservatives won't be happy until they control all aspects of society, including the media, squalshing any and all dissent to their political agenda.

    [–]Worst_Patch 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You do realize that MSM is pre-occupied with banging the war drums against Russia right?

    I don't recall them EVER supporting unionization, proper pay rises, communism or anything short of hap hazard support for the ACA.

    [–]glexarn 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Does the left control the media? Yes.

    wake me up when MSNBC stops bragging about how it's hiring centrists and moderate conservatives and instead hires one (1) self-declared communist.

    [–]PercussiveAttack 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (33子コメント)

    You can't ask and answer your own questions, especially when they're based on a biased perspective and not facts. "The left" doesn't control anything. Your image of "the left," and the overarching image on this sub, is a bogeyman you've concocted to scapegoat for perceived slights against you and your beliefs - beliefs which are subjective like everyone else's. They are only informed by right-wing propaganda.

    Police inspire anti-police sentiment pretty well all by themselves. Did a murderer not just get acquitted for shooting a CCW holder in Minnesota? I don't care if his job "sometimes leads to killing a 'criminal'," Castile was not a criminal and the cop was not held accountable. Similar cases happen again and again all around the country, which doesn't instill much confidence in the justice system let alone police. Police confrontations are already tense to begin with, now we know they can get away with impunity even if you have taken all the steps to properly follow the law.

    As the son of a criminal defense attorney, I was taught to never trust or talk to police. As an anarchist, I don't willingly accept their authority (obviously something I have to begrudgingly accept). The largest threat I see in my life is from the state and it's the main reason that I own firearms. But you can just keep licking that boot.

    [–]ShotgunPumper 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (32子コメント)

    • "You can't ask and answer your own questions..."

    I can. In fact, I just did. The questions were rhetorical for the purpose of presenting information.

    • "...when they're based on a biased perspective and not facts."

    It's not my problem if you find the truth to be biased against you. The left controls the media. The media cultivates an anti-police sentiment. Police officers have to face the wrath of this sentiment. When a police officer has to defend themselves the media lies about it to encourage more anti-police sentiment. That's not so much an opinion but an outright summery of their actions.

    • ""The left" doesn't control anything."

    They control the media. Many major media sources have to get approval from the DNC before posting articles online or having scripts approved before being read on television. The email leaks from before the last November election showed this to be the case.

    • "...beliefs which are subjective like everyone else's."

    The statement "The left controls the media." isn't subjective because it has nothing to do with preference. That statement is true or false like the statement "The ball is red." rather than being subjective like the statement "Chocolate ice cream tastes good."

    • "Police inspire anti-police sentiment pretty well all by themselves."

    The last time a police officer really screwed up was in that Castile shooting, but it was really more of a tragic accident more than anything else (him fitting the description of a bank robber). Incidents like this are very few and far between.

    The media takes examples of police officers, that just so happen to be white, shooting an actual criminal, that just so happens to be a minority, and then they lie about it to make the police officers seem evil when in reality it's the other way around.

    • "...Castile was not a criminal..."

    Technically speaking he was because he smoked pot and owned a gun, but that's splitting hairs. Castile should not have been shot. That was bad, but incidents where police officers shoot someone who genuinely do not deserve it are very few and far between.

    • "Similar cases happen again and again all around the country..."

    No, the media lies about cases where a police officer justifiably shoots a criminal to inspire anti-police sentiment. They've done this time and time again. That's not to say that it doesn't happen, with Castile being an obvious and recent example, but it's an exception which is far from being the rule.

    • "As the son of a criminal defense attorney, I was taught to never trust or talk to police."

    That's a shame. Police officers overall tend to be really amazing people. It's one of the few public servant positions where they really do serve the public. They deal with the scum of society so that we don't have to. To suggest never trusting or talking to any police officer seems really extreme.

    • "As an anarchist..."

    And my opinion of you has dropped so low that I've lost all respect for you. Anarchy is the position of edgy teenagers who don't know much about life. You know your dad would be out of a job if your anarchy was realized, right?

    [–]Malumazeth 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    • Bullet points make my half-cocked truisms seem like well thought out arguments.

    [–]therealGarmanarnar 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You are a special kinda dumbass aren't you? A terrified dumbass.

    [–]PercussiveAttack 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (29子コメント)

    I don't care about your opinion of me, I don't even know you, dude. And I also don't have to explain anarchism to you. You obviously know nothing of anarchists except the media's representations of them - the same media you loathe. Some of us grow up, have jobs, function in society, and continue to believe in an anarchist ideal. Also, my dad had a career before he was an attorney. He got into law to fight the law later in life, I don't think he would mind things changing.

    It is really unfortunate that you can't seem to tell the difference between analysis (which is perspective and opinion) and actual fact. "The left" controlling the media is your analysis of the situation, based on your piecing together of different facts that leads you to that conclusion. It's an opinion. It is also obvious that you receive the majority of your information from Fox, Breitbart, RedState, etc. Sorry that reality is too left-leaning for you.

    [–]ShotgunPumper 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (28子コメント)

    • "I don't care about your opinion of me..."

    To a certain extent that's a good way to go about life. It's good to not worry so much about what others think of you, to a point.

    • "...I also don't have to explain anarchism to you."

    What's there to explain? Anarchy means no laws. It's just a bad idea.

    • ""The left" controlling the media is your analysis of the situation, based on your piecing together of different facts that leads you to that conclusion."

    Yes.

    • "It's an opinion."

    No. Whether the left actually controls the media is an objective truth or falsehood. I have very good evidence that this seems to be the case. Based not on my opinion but on the evidence I've seen for myself, the conclusion that the left has an iron fist on the media seems to be true.

    • "It is also obvious that you receive the majority of your information from Fox, Breitbart, RedState..."

    Nope. Those are all fine sources of media in my opinion, but I get most of my news from the Daily Wire, BillWhittle.com, and some guys on youtube that I like.

    [–]PercussiveAttack 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (27子コメント)

    What's there to explain? Anarchy means no laws. It's just a bad idea.

    No. It means no hierarchy, no leaders. Again, you only know what the media tells you. Read more.

    [–]HeloRising 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Everything on that video looks like a 2017 remake of a Jonestown recruitment film.

    [–]N7CombatWombat 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (45子コメント)

    There are also various types of those governments that aren't as hardline, for instance democratic socialism is a different beast than Marxism.

    That being said it's simplistic to look at a "pure" system when in reality many governments are made up of various parts of other systems combined into one. Social Security is an example of a socialist ideal that functions inside our democratic republic foundation.

    It is possible to be a left leaning gun owner. I am one myself, it just means what I'm willing to sacrifice is different with different weights.

    I also want to go on record as hating that idea, I hate how we have to vote for who we feel would do the least damage, I hate how we have to sometimes boil things down to one issue. I'd love a system based on policy and not politics, but might as well wish for wings on a pig.

    [–]ShotgunPumper 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (44子コメント)

    • "...democratic socialism is a different beast than Marxism."

    It really isn't though.

    • "Social Security is an example of a socialist ideal that functions inside our democratic republic foundation."

    I can absolutely agree that social security is a socialist ideal, but it's something that I personally loathe. If I had my way then every American would receive a check for exactly how much they've paid into the system over the years and then it would end. That will never happen, but you can obviously tell that I'm not much of a fan of it.

    • "It is possible to be a left leaning gun owner."

    If you can find a left wing politician to vote for that's not a gun grabber then more power to you.

    • "...I hate how we have to vote for who we feel would do the least damage..."

    No candidate is perfect nor can any candidate agree with all voters all the time. No system is capable of achieving that. Our system, all things considered, works out okay. I think it would work out a lot better if the government had a lot less power rather than more; that's where we seem to disagree.

    [–]regularguyguns 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Jim Webb was a Democrat. Was being the operative term here. The Democrats have scared off their moderates even more so than the Republicans.

    [–]jcvynn 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    He would have had my vote.

    [–]regularguyguns 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I'm not a fan of big government, but I wish Webb were still a Democrat so at least there'd be a chance of having a pro-gun voice on that side of the aisle.

    [–]vanulovesyou 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    but I wish Webb were still a Democrat

    He still is a Democrat. I don't know why you keep claiming otherwise. Furthermore, there are still pro-gun Democrats left, but right wingers keep pushing them away, characterizing all liberals and all Democrats as the enemy (just like right wingers claimed that liberals and Democrats couldn't be Christians, either).

    [–]Ouchelectric2 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Democrats that support human rights like the first and second amendment are being pushed away by the left, far more than by the right.

    [–]vanulovesyou 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    The Democrats have scared off their moderates even more so than the Republicans.

    There are FAR more moderates in the Democratic party then the Republican party, which chased most of the remaining national moderates after 2010. And Jim Webb STILL is a Democrat.

    [–]Ouchelectric2 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    More moderates went for trump. I think that means the crazy, hysterical, assasination-porn left was pushing moderates away.

    [–]vanulovesyou 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    More moderates went for trump

    Trump and the GOP did not and has not represented "moderation." Any moderates that voted for Trump did it out of sheer dislike of Hillary or for single issues, such as jobs. Otherwise, most moderates were voted out of GOP as "RINOS" years ago.

    Trump's behavior since the inauguration shows what people got instead -- a man who goes on daily Twitter storms. Anything but "moderate."

    In comparison, Democrats have been pushing the same moderate platform for years at this point.

    crazy, hysterical, assasination-porn left

    Oh, do mean Julius Caesar, the 400-year old play that had Barack Obama as Caesar at one time?

    Plenty of conservatives have talked about violence towards Obama -- and the left. it isn't liberals, after all, who have repeatedly talked about "Second Amendment" solutions when it looked like things didn't go their way politically.

    It is pretty funny how conservatives simultaneously talk about liberals and the left as being both snowflakes and violent.

    [–]vanulovesyou 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    It really isn't though.

    If you say that then you know nothing about leftist politics.

    I can absolutely agree that social security is a socialist ideal, but it's something that I personally loathe.

    Social security has kept many elderly out of poverty. You loathe it purely out of ideology, not due to the results it delivers.

    [–]Ouchelectric2 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's a fallacious premise. Ponzi schemes have helped people too, but the difference is that you aren't forced to participate on a ponzi scheme with the threat of violence and imprisonment.

    Just because something has helped some people doesn't mean it's fair to use violence and coercion to force people to participate against their wishes and the best interest of thier family.

    If it's so good, then let people choose to participate without threat of violence and prison.

    [–]hookahreed 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm thankful that I have Railroad Retirement instead of SS. Well, at least until they take that way...

    [–]91klein 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think you picked the wrong sub, we don't consider air soft as Firearms

    [–]Trigglypuff1998 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fuck off with your antifa bullshit

    [–]Russiangreyman 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Get off my lawn you retards.

    [–]Guntergruppe 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (28子コメント)

    This shit in /r/firearms is getting to be stupid. There are no left or liberal gun clubs that have as much power as the NRA does nor will there ever be.

    /u/shotgunpumper summed it up perfectly:

    Most gun subreddits are safe spaces for double-thinking liberals to both vote exclusively for anti-gun politicians while trying to claim that they are not anti-gun.

    You claim to want guns, but you don't vote you just whine on the internet while circlejerking to some revolution LARP fantasy like some sort of left wing stormfront.

    [–]Lawsnpaws 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    "Hey guys, give us money so we can fight fascism and replace it with communism, which is SUPER PRO-GUN (it isn't)."

    History has demonstrated socialism, the communism experiments, all of it, lead to gun confiscation and the loss of rights and liberties. You're pro-gun now because you want to create violence and need weapons. Once you're in command you take the weapons. That's the cycle.

    So I'll take GOA, CRPA, and the venerable NRA before donating one cent to your antifa bullshit.

    [–]BaronSathonyx 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's not the same because all those other attempts weren't REAL Communism!

    You know it's not real Communism when it starts to fail.

    [–]tultham1 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Gun rights and those political ideologies don't mix.

    [–]fuckyourfascism 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Political ideologies are carried out by people. Socialists around the world arm themselves, just as do "patriots" of the US.

    [–]takeel88 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I wouldn't pass water over a left wing organisation of any kind.

    [–]BaronSathonyx 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    What modern-day Communists look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcSVfLV-2C4

    One of the most "well-known" Antifa groups in the Bay Area is a violent cult who think supporting NAMBLA is good idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQwfTPqn5kc

    Fuck Antifa.

    [–]MicDrop2017 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Those are the guys who hosted Antifa out in the west. Go to youtube, and watch them practice target shooting. I've seen Imperial Stormtroopers shoot better...

    [–]regularguyguns 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The problem with "socialist" pro-2A organizations is they seem to operate on an emergency footing, even more so than what some accuse the NRA of operating on. They don't teach fundamentals or safety, it all seems to be "boom-boom-boom-boom-bashy-the-fashy" stuff. It's basically a "pick up the gun because the MAGA Nazis are coming, tonight!"

    If you have zero firearms training and the shit hits the fan tomorrow, you're still boned, you'll maybe just die five minutes later than the guy without a gun.

    Candid admission: I'll last about a week, but what a week it will be!

    Anyways, the whole idea of socialists preaching for an armed populace is odd, since it does reek of only "true believers" getting guns, i.e. how the Fudds and some NFA item owners operate on the "fuck you I got mine" policy.

    If you want a good fictional example, read "Indian Country" by Kurt Schlichter. In a nutshell, it assumes a Democratic win in 2020 followed by the dissolution of the United States as we know it. New England, Illinois (and part of Indiana) and the West Coast go blue, rest of the country is red. In the blue states, guns are outlawed except for the police and the (laughingstock) military. And a cadre of true believers (mostly gang members on welfare) called the People's Volunteers, who are all conveniently equipped with Chinese hardware.

    There's parallels in the real world too. A lot of Communist and even socialist countries reserve firearms for only the cops, military, and loyal fanatics of the State. Kiss enough ass and you get a rifle.

    Of course, the inherent problem remains - if the government knows who has the guns, what's the point of having them to secure the revolution? If the government turns corrupt, the first thing they are gonna do is round up all the guns.

    [–]Aminrcraoftm 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Of course, the inherent problem remains - if the government knows who has the guns, what's the point of having them to secure the revolution? If the government turns corrupt, the first thing they are gonna do is round up all the guns.

    But then wouldn't that mean supporting gun clubs and the like to teach people how to use guns (and advise them to acquire them)? They aren't part of the government, so at least at this point I think they (and most gun clubs for that matter, except the explicitly pro-government ones) are pretty libertarian in their effects.

    [–]dabisnit 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How can Yuri seize the means of production without trusty Mosin?

    [–]nightstryke 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    For all those on the left I have the "Perfect" book for you, it's #1 in the Political Ideologies section of Amazon! Why Socialism Works

    [–]Aminrcraoftm 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Can I get a summary?

    [–]asdfman2000 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    "It doesn't", repeated on every page.

    [–]Aminrcraoftm 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    darn, that's boring

    I thought there was gonna be a real refutation

    [–]mcjon77 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I am 80% convinced that this whole Antifa/redneck revolt nonsense is just one big trolling of the gun rights community.

    [–]knightly_snep 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think it's telling that in this Postmodern America we have to evaluate every statement on the chance that it might be deliberately phony regardless of the speaker's level of sincerity.

    [–]AUWarEagle82 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The safest place to be a a John Brown Gun Club practice session appears to be in front of the target.

    Watch these clownish, anarchists on youtube. Scary and amusing at the same time.

    [–]Bab5crusade[S] 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    [–]Zac1245 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I do have to laugh though at this. In class guy who deems himself a communist was very very much against guns and gun ownership. I explained to him that Marx was actually for gun ownership. He still refused to believe it and said civilian gun ownership should be outlawed!

    [–]NewStateof 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    All fucking commies but fucking die.

    Every leftist up the tree

    [–]knightly_snep 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    [–]NewStateof 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I am for silencing the left and destroying them. There is nothing hypocritical in this view

    [–]knightly_snep 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Wow.

    So much for "Freedom of Speech"

    Even Antifa wants Nazis to be free to out themselves in public...

    [–]NewStateof 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I don't believe in freedom of speech or the Democratic state both these things are dumb antiquated ideas by a bunch of 17th century drug addicts

    [–]knightly_snep 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't believe in freedom of speech or the Democratic state both these things are dumb antiquated ideas by a bunch of 17th century drug addicts

    Please do tell us how much you hate America and love... Monarchies? (Just a guess)

    [–]NewStateof 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    America was founded as an aristocratic nation not one of the people

    [–]Mightbeathrowaaway 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So you claim to pro gun, but vote for gun grabbing marxists sub humans...Classic.