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Disappointing in the way developers are handling bans. (self.F13thegame)

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So let me get this straight, you can be PERMANENTLY banned for being toxic but ruining the game for others and breaking the core gameplay goes without punishment as long as you know the development team. Double standard much?

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[–]Villain3131 103 ポイント104 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I've seen the post your referring to, as much as I love and respect the devs I feel they may have dropped the ball on this one. Both sides should have gotten a temp ban and a warning to not do it again.

[–]LowenbrauDel 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (9子コメント)

The same goes for using Packanack Glitch really. Temporary Ban would be enough for these people, but permanently ban a person, because he used broken in-game mechanic, which could've been(alread is) fixed? That's too much in my opinion. Sure, they ruin fun for the others, but they didn't use any 3rd party software to cheat or anything, just the game itself.

[–]garythedog 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is so damn accurate. Never even heard of the glitch till i decided to see if there was a subreddit for this game. Now knowing about it, I don't understand why you would get some sort of permanent ban and no warning for exploiting another large issue. I understand why players are annoyed with the morons who do it, but to ban someone who paid 40 dollars for a super unreliable and obviously glitchy game?

[–]GrimlandGrime -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The way I see it is this, I place a bowl of candy within my children's reach. I go outside and mow the lawn and when I come back in the bowl candy has been invaded. At first I tell the kids not to get into it again and or send some children to the corner. If I keep leaving that bowl within their reach I'm just waiting for them to get in trouble, so I can keep sending them back to the corner. It would make me a pretty stupid and shity parent. The smarter thing to do is to move the bowl of candy out-of-reach.

[–]UnholyRyanGosling 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

But that's a fucking stupid analogy and people paid $40 to even have a chance to look at that bowl of candy.

[–]GrimlandGrime 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What I'm saying is instead of punishing people they should fix the problem in the first place. Granted I find glitch abusers to be very unsavory, but I would rather Gun patch them instead of punish. Perhaps I'm just to use to playing TF2, seeing people abuse glitches and instead of those people getting banned the glitches get removed. I have to give gun media this, they seem to be a lot faster than the tf2 Team.

[–]Kanavus 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think people who glitch shit are by any means acceptable, but the root of it isn't them. It's the fact the glitches are possible in the first place. I agree with this

You will never be able to ban all the people who glitch, but you will be able to fix the glitch.

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    [–]jeffklol 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (21子コメント)

    I like this game, I want it to succeed. I'm trying to convince some of my friends to buy this game. But jesus does shit like this make it hard....

    [–]GrimlandGrime 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Honestly if I was just a casual buyer and I ran across the devs reply to that review, I would have definitely never put my money into this.

    [–]MulattoEriction 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Can I please see what you're speaking of

    Edit: found it

    [–]pokerdot 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    share with meeee

    edit: found it too.

    I would have never spent $40 on this game if I knew the devs were such pieces of shit

    [–]chance_is_childish 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Uh.... share with me? All of my friends have the game and I don't lol. I've dealt with bad devs with 2K and MLB The Show, and I want to know if they're worse before I spend my 40

    [–]pokerdot 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    https://www.reddit.com/r/F13thegame/comments/6lko1m/what_the_fck_is_up_with_the_devs/

    [–]chance_is_childish 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Wow 2K and MLB only have server issues and not giving people wins and not giving a fuck, but this is something is way worse

    [–]pokerdot 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Oh there are plenty of server issues and bugs here too lol

    [–]chance_is_childish 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How....how do y'all survive

    [–]pokerdot 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    playing with friends helps alot, its easy to meet people in game to play with

    other then that, just pray you dont get dced mid game lol

    [–]jeffklol 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Tell me about it. I been hitting on people in my wow guild for weeks to get this game, and a couple have. I had hoped for a bunch more. They've already asked me about this shit on discord and what can I say?

    [–]tebbythetiger 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    tell em to uninstall and refund before it's too late

    [–]Kanavus 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I'm trying to convince some of my friends to buy this game.

    Honestly? I think the best thing you could do, as their friend, is to recommend they don't.

    [–]Bruisedmilk 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I just want to point out that this game had 16k players on PC at launch, now it only averages around 3-4k.

    If that's not telling, I don't know what is.

    [–]ReV364 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    LOL, there's no in-game TOS, no one agreed to a TOS, no one is shown these rules in the game. There is no IN GAME REPORT FUNCTION.

    Maybe the devs ought to work on some sort of 'record' option. On the PS4 we have the 'share' button which can be used to basically record the past 15 minutes from when you pressed the button. Maybe at the end of a game give us an option to save the match as a recording, that way anyone can share their side of a story if they felt some foul play during the match, plus a studio/recording option would be cool!

    Honestly though they have lost my respect for this, favoritism and permabans for foul language is beyond ridiculous, I wish I could get a refund but Sony (PS4 player here) are quite strict on their refund policy.

    [–]mulletson 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    how can you be banned by being toxic... I mean.. how the hell does that work?

    [–]ArtphosMoPhobia 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    by personally knowing the developers it seems -_-

    [–]KidRadd412 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    The real question here is how the developers know those 12 year old girls (if they do at all). Are they family? Friends? Either way, the responsibility here is on the parents who purchased the game for the kids or otherwise allowed them to play.

    Murder/dismemberment is okay but calling someone a faggot or a whore isn't? Did the guy who got banned know the person was a homosexual? If not, it isn't "targeted homophobia", it's an insult. I'm sure if he thought the kid took offense to being called a sponge then that's what he would have said. Does that mean he hates sponges? If I repeatedly call someone a sponge instead of using a curse word or a slur am I still breaking the TOS? Would it matter if they took offense or is intent enough?

    Already refunded the game but I revisit for updates to see if it's worth returning to. Now I know. Won't even come back for Fox.

    [–]Kanavus 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm sure if he thought the kid took offense to being called a sponge then that's what he would have said. Does that mean he hates sponges? If I repeatedly call someone a sponge instead of using a curse word or a slur am I still breaking the TOS?

    This made me laugh a lot more than it should've, I have no idea why.

    [–]NAHNAH12 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It was a 12 year old boy apparently not a girl. And from the ops earlier posts the 12 year old had shit talked FIRST

    [–]KidRadd412 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Were the females involved supposed to be adults then? Either way there is something not being explained...

    [–]jeffklol 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The red flag for me was how they knew the girl was 12. That implies they may have known her as was alleged. If they're lying about that, that calls into question their credibility.

    [–]Servebotfrank 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Oh don't worry about the alleged part. They confirmed that they knew them here on Reddit.

    [–]PIX3LY 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    My favorite parts:

    1) They release a broken af game for $40

    2) The ToS is nowhere to be seen in-game

    3) Unless you are a loyal follower of this sub or their twitter, you had no idea a PERM ban was coming your way...

    All shittyness aside, game is still pretty fun and this will always be my favorite horror franchise.

    [–]GeneralSkywalkerSolo 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    2) is going to bite them in the ass. And the wallet, one way or another.

    [–]GrimlandGrime 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm not a lawyer in any sense, hell if I try to represent myself in court a for a speeding ticket I'd probably end up with the death penalty, but I can't help but think this could cause a class action lawsuit. Again when it comes to the law I'm basically retarded.

    [–]GeneralSkywalkerSolo 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If they ban someone who's daddy is a lawyer looking for some press, that's entirely possible. In most games that would be a silly thing to say, but I can list at least five things they have done that really push against the bounds of what a developer can and cannot do.

    Example, there is a very good reason other companies don't say "yup we banned (specific player) per your report!" Or even the fact that I'm on XBOX and I have yet to be presented with a TOS to even agree to, and as this is not a subscription service and there was not a TOS to begin with, they simply cannot add one now. The only thing that keeps non-subscription TOS even remotely viable legally (they are relatively untested in practice to begin with) is that you have to agree before you play for the first time.

    They said they got over 5,000 emails, and that was a few days ago. I'm sure it's much more now. But even if we go with the 5,000 figure, and they banned even 10% of those...man, that's a pretty big swath of people that in some views just got ripped off (being held to rules they didn't agree to and were not properly notified of).

    Of course, people will see this as "defending the glitchers!" I'm not. At all. But I'm watching this team make mistake after mistake that just should not be happening. They also specified that the largest percentage of people they were banning were glitchers, not "harassers" etc which they said was like a total of 7 bans. All these people were banned without proper notification of the rules. Argue that they should have gotten banned all folks want - but as anyone knows, what feels right and what is legal are often very different things.

    [–]Servebotfrank 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The TOS is also really vague. Not really clear on what is abuse behavior. It just says no sexual harassment or threatening to rape or whatever. Calling someone a whore out of anger at their behavior at a video game is not remotely the same thing as repeatedly following a girl player and making weird comments.

    [–]Yung-Fuu 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    3 fucked me over real good

    [–]DunningKruger117 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I do like how they are dealing with people that glitch. It'll improve the overall quality of the games I play as there will be less people who exploit now. I however don't like the permanent bans nor how it'll display a game ban on your steam account. There should definitely be an ingame warning about this.

    I am glad I never did any of the exploits in this game as I'd be really pissed with a game ban on my profile with 120 games on it. Sometimes I do mess with other players with exploits, everyone has done this stupid behavior from time to time even if they don't want to admit it. This is a casual game we play for fun and some players will have fun doing these glitches from time to time. Players shouldn't receive a permanent game ban for the 1st offense especially when no warning is given ingame.

    [–]Kanavus 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree. There will be less people who play the game. A shorter lifespan for this game that's already rapidly dying.

    [–]XxEmyll 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yep. They lost majority of my respect. Quite stupid what they did.

    [–]Kinoso 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (17子コメント)

    Are they really banning someone for calling someone else faggot in a game where you can see a dude punching a teenager in the chest and leaving a bloody hole in between the ribs? Lol

    [–]chalon9 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    What's that dudes name? I forget

    [–]chrisanalogage 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    His name is Robert Paulson

    [–]Bigboss831 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That dudes name is jason

    [–]TheBigLeMattSki 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And today is his birthday

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      [–]KrypticSpartan101 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (45子コメント)

      Just a tip, This post will most likely be deleted as they've been deleting posts talking about the situation.

      Regarding what occurred, I too have lost all my respect for the Devs. I'd always defend them but this was the turning point for me to realize how faulty they are.

      [–]Bruisedmilk 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Devs in full damage control.

      [–]Titanman083 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Since day 1 I've been saying these devs are out of their league. Now after seeing how unprofessionally they handled that ban situation I regret ever supporting them during the Kickstarter.

      [–]ShortStackGamer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      what was the situation???

      [–]Green_Wake 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is pretty much a continuation from the locked thread here.

      [–]Servebotfrank 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      A guy was in a game with Team Killers who were teaming up with Jason. The guy got mad and called a squeaker a faggot and the girls helping Jason whores. Turns out the girls were friends with the devs and reported him. People are mad that the Devs punished him but not also punished the team killers despite admitting that the girls were in fact team killing folks. So they're not punishing their friends.

      The Devs are trying to delete posts and folks are noticing.

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        [–]Jung-Choi 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Does anybody know why the old thread was locked exactly?

        [–]methrik[🍰] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Devs were getting lit up lol

        [–]Servebotfrank 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        No explanation. Seeing as how Chody, the most active mod on right now seems to not be actively deleting anything, it was probably a dev.

        [–]grathungar 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I've been a huge supporter of this game from the beginning and this behavior from /u/ThePraetorian has essentially made me just sick.

        You know what, you should have never even fucking admitted that you knew those people.

        They were doing one of the few things you actually ban people for and you defended it. I feel legitimately betrayed by this behavior.

        I'm not saying that other dude didn't deserve a ban as well. Fuck him, but defending your friends and family for abusing people in game.

        I just.. just don't know.

        [–]Bruisedmilk 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        Hey, if Gun wants to drive the population of this game down further than it already is then that's their choice. It's not like this was a publicly backed Kickstarter game or anything like that.

        Nah, everyone can just eat shit. The developers know what's best for you and how the game should be played.

        [–]RatherDieWithMe 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Seems everyone involved is at fault, but the devs had the actual responsibility of seeing justice served and now their decision has inadvertently created a pr shockwave they are unable to backpedal from. I'll enjoy watching the whole situation tear their amateur company apart.

        [–]SexyGhostNoises 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        i'm sure the dozens of outraged KotakuInAction posts this generated has them shitting bricks

        [–]methrik[🍰] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        https://youtu.be/yskrelBCD0g

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        [–]tebbythetiger 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (25子コメント)

        I contacted xbox for a refund over how /u/thepraetorian handled that whole situation. A kneejerk bs unprofessional reaction white knight neckbeard abusing power on top of a buggy xbox game. No thanks. This will destroy the playerbase if they keep it up. Dont reward bad behavior demand a refund

        [–]Conversin3 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (11子コメント)

        I respect your decision but how did you get a refund on those grounds? Did you say the games creators and dev team are corrupt or something?

        [–]KrypticSpartan101 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (10子コメント)

        From what I've heard, Microsoft is allowing refunds for this game due to its faultiness on the Xbox One.

        [–]tebbythetiger 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        What kryptic said. Since game launch it has been unstable and buggy for xbox. The only patch made things worse. Other platforms have gotten better and more timely patches.

        [–]Reggler 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        As an Xbox player this is true, my gf decided to impulse buy a ps4 and i persuaded her to get the game for "us" while I'm at her place. I gotta say I'll take my constant crashing over the absolute terrible players l encounter on psn.

        Edit: removed stutter

        [–]Ps4_and_Ipad_Lover 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Just wait until Xbox gets fixed you will prob meet just as bad ppl. No matter what platform you pick you will find Dicks

        [–]GrimlandGrime 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        From my experience on PC I've only ran into 4 assholes, the fourth one I ran into apologized the next round.

        [–]Reggler 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Oh for sure, I dunno I just prefer finding a lobby through lfg over quick match

        [–]Ps4_and_Ipad_Lover 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Ya I go on the ps4 communities when I'm tired of quick match pm PS4 but I find good ppl a lot of the time

        [–]number_plate_26 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        It must be a lot worse on Xbox then what I initially thought, I hear complaints a lot but I figured these were just the general game issues. I wouldn't say it's too bad over here on PS4, some issues like host connection etc. but not bad enough for a refund.

        [–]Ps4_and_Ipad_Lover 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Xbox still has a memory leak and causing a lot of crashes

        [–]crazypyroman97 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Xbox issues refunds regularly for games that are very broken since their launch, just have to know about it. Got the $80 version of Halo Wars 2 refunded when I realised it wasn't complete.... not even the campaign was complete.

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          [–]Batwing20293 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Well, now I feel awkward.

          I didn't back the game because something felt kinda off. Couldn't really explain it, but I was still positive about it and hoped it did well. Fast forward to now and this shit put a bad taste in my mouth. Gun, you're kinda shit for this.

          [–]Kanavus 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          it takes a certain level of exceptionally awful to be able to reach the level these guys have. You have to be bad at making logical decisions, you have to be bad at simple game fixing and you have to be awful at handling the community. It's as if they're, as a whole, taking every single possible step to make themselves look worse. It's like they're intentionally choosing the most stupid choices possible in every scenario. It's incredible to me.

          I loved the idea for this game since I heard about it years ago, and when it came out I was thrilled, and then I was greeted with... This stuff. I want it to be clear that I didn't want to be a hater, and I protected this game for awhile after release, however it's become clear to even me, a superfan, that it's a waste of my time. It's gone from sort of controversial, 70/30 split stuff to entirely unacceptable behavior in every regard.

          [–]sinburger 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (20子コメント)

          Unfortunately /u/thepraetorian responses in the other thread were downvoted to oblivion so no one could see his replies, but this was the gist of it:

          • They have banned very few people, and only with video proof. The banned user in this case was going above and beyond what was considered acceptable behaviour, and was breaking the rules as laid out when banning was implemented.
          • The banned user was griefing other players hard earlier in the match, so there was a spur of the moment team-up with Jason to kill him, which is not bannable. Teaming up with Jason to XP farm is what they are trying to curb with bans.
          • Gun doesn't show their backend processes, but any of the player involved are welcome to provide their own evidence to the public forum.

          People are getting super worked up because a banned player posted a negative review which made him out to be the victim. Of course he's going to post a sanitized version of events that makes him out to be the good guy in the scenario. It's not like he's going to post a review saying "I was a complete cunt and called a bunch of women and 12 year olds whores and faggots, 5/7 would never buy again."

          [–]ArtphosMoPhobia 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Well then post the video. Where is the video proof? When the girls knew the developers this just seems way to fishy. And vulgar language shouldnt even be a perma ban

          It's not like he's going to post a review saying "I was a complete cunt and called a bunch of women and 12 year olds whores and faggots, 5/7 would never buy again."

          Well thats what he did. He admits to saying some vulgar words, but im pretty sure thats not in the TOS as perma, and even if it is that just seems way to harsh for a game rated M

          TLDR: Post proof, accusers have connections to dev = fishy

          [–]GhostofBacon 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          People are getting worked up because the devs could end this with a single click but refuse to which make the review look like he was telling the truth which upset more people

          [–]Servebotfrank 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Well they can't remove the review unless Steam lets them which probably won't happen. Steam is pretty strict about removing reviews because devs have removed it in the past. In fact removing it is a worse idea. Ever hear of the Streisand Effect?

          [–]GhostofBacon 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yes, and it's better that it stays, brings attention to an open wound that the devs have the ability to close.

          [–]KrypticSpartan101 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (12子コメント)

          The person that made that review DID say he called them multiple names. Thing is, he told the Dev to post the video of what truly happened, but they refuse to.

          [–]sinburger 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          The Devs have repeatedly stated that they don't release the backend stuff submitted to them, which is something I agree with. The banned user can release their own recording of the game, or the people that submitted the video can do so if they want.

          [–]Yung-Fuu 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          So were supposed to record every game we play, so that if we get banned we'll have evidence?

          [–]josephmsz 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Sure seems like it. Sorry but this is the most stupid way of sending reports as it stands. It's already led to the first fault as we can see. I refuse to record every game just so I can live in fear of not being banned. The devs definitely brought their own personal beliefs and bias into this ban and it's been shown.

          [–]tebbythetiger 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          And this is exctally why everyone should be worked up. Who isnt to say some little squeaker wont make a faked audio video. The whole submit a video as proof is pure heresay and libel for abuse. The developers have no idea wtf they doing. If u dont think grifers will frame people for fun your new to gaming. The only way itd be fair is server side recording and u know this dev co doesnt have the resources for that. So its pure open to abuse

          [–]Servebotfrank 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Most likely the video cuts out the back and forth that led to the event that got the guy banned. Removing context matters.

          [–]cysh6356 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          red herring lol

          [–]Servebotfrank 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Okay man, if you get banned don't come crying over here.

          [–]sinburger 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I don't spew bigoted garbage, so I'm not seeing any bans in my future.

          [–]maverick57 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          If you honestly think that the developer would make public a video of children being verbally assaulted and sexually harassed by some asshole, you are beyond ignorant.

          Why on earth would they do that? That would be insane behaviour. What's baffling is that people actually think they need to "prove" something here to people that are taking the word of a man who admitted to calling a 12 year old girl a whore and using a derogatory slur for homosexuals to a child. Why on earth would anyone take that kind of person at their word?

          [–]NAHNAH12 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          There's either two things there is either that they don't post it because it would hurt them as to backup op story or it's true and they don't want to post it due to hurting the twelve-year-olds feelings but my sentiment is that they're not posting it because what op is saying is true

          [–]sinburger 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Or they don't post it because putting up your decision making process to the scrutiny of the internet is dumb as shit.

          There are people in this subreddit who are defending a guy who goes on public forums and defends his calling 12 year old whores and faggots, and goes on to call the girls pocket pussys when they developer responds to his review. People that act like that are toxic to any community and I'm happy to see them get kicked to the curb.

          [–]Servebotfrank 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          One child and apparently the kid wasn't the main focus of the abuse. It was the team killers. Apparently the kid mouthed off at the guy in the lobby and got "faggot" thrown back as a response. That is not sexual harassment.

          [–]Lira70 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          The thing is the guy didn't deny any of it. Then the devs come in and basically don't deny the guy's story also. Instead they spin it to paint their friends in a good light claiming it was an isolated incident for them. How are we supposed to believe the devs when it is their friends breaking the rules? Do you believe they would have admitted to it?

          [–]Servebotfrank 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          That's the big thing. The guy didn't deny any of it but the dev insinuates that apparently being called a faggot is the same thing as "Being used as a sexual object." Don't know where that came from. If GUN would release the video and it was proven that he did it I would take it back.

          [–]Ps4_and_Ipad_Lover 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          So thats the full story ok I was not taking sides until ik what was up but now ik who I agree with

          [–]Cire101Dragon Hunter05 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I already thought the devs were highly unprofessional due to releasing a basically unfinished game but this takes the cake. They're a joke lol

          [–]GriggledooGriggledoo 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (16子コメント)

          I am a 32 year old man, who cares for his 13 year old niece. She plays games like this all the time, and in fact, when I was 14 I'm positive I was playing GTA3... heh that was a long time ago... anyway, would I appreciate somebody calling my 13 year old niece a faggot? No, would I be furious if somebody called her a slut? Of course I would. However, it's my responsibility to both discuss with her the content of the games that i allow her to play, and explain to her the horrors of the ego. If a parent says their kid can play an M rated game, that's all it takes.

          The ESRB rating of M, is a suggestion that the parents of children under the age of 17 not let their children play the specific game without proper supervision and parental approval. I bet that 99% of the people here are either under 17, or played M rated games when they were too. I ended up in a random game with a 6 year old boy who legitimately wrecked the entire group of counselors for an 8/8. I don't think he should have been playing, but his parents made the choice to let him play, or to let his older siblings play... regardless that's their responsibility and everyone here complaining about it is a gaggle of hypocrites who would be furious about censorship if they weren't allowed to buy their kids the next M-rated game they wanted to buy their kids (or play if they're under 17)

          Still the guy broke the damn rules, if he didn't want to get banned, he should have signed off and took a breather. He got caught breaking the rules that's it.

          Now for the lousy squeakers helping Jason, that's a load of crap. If you get bent out of shape and grief some guys for talking shit about your teen bae, you ought to be banned too. Even if it was an isolated incident, which was the claim for no ban. An isolated incident of cheating didn't get some kids banned, but an isolated incident of calling some kids some really hateful nasty names did get a guy banned and that all seems like a load of shit too.

          TLDR: The game's not Adults only because it's rated M, quit being hypocrites and let's all go back to enjoying the game (except that guy who got rightfully banned...) and it's messed up the Dev's are going to ignore the isolated case of cheating for a few buddies but that's life.

          [–]Bruisedmilk 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          If kids can't handle what people say online maybe they shouldn't be playing online games. It's either that or drive everyone else away because people want to be able to brutally murder other people without people cussing into the mic. Learn to ignore it or don't ever bother playing online. What are you going to do when Gun media adds the single player and there's nudity or full-on fucking? You going to ban someone for that?

          The mute button exists for a reason.

          [–]ArtphosMoPhobia 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Perma ban for vulgar language in a M rated game just seems dumb. and the mute button is there for a reason. Give him a week ban and it will be over

          [–]GriggledooGriggledoo -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Doesn't the context of the vulgarity matter?

          If a friend said "fuck" in front of your kids how would you react? What if he told your daughter that she was a whore and he'd rape her? Would you act the same? At what point would you make the decision that the vulgarity has crossed a line? Do you think that there is a line? And if so who gets to decide when that line is crossed?

          [–]GhostofBacon 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I agree with you a 100%, I trash talk alot in video games but I know where the line that should not be crossed is. But how that devs handled it was horrible, responding unprofessionally instead of just ending the argument with a click. Do I believe he should be banned? Not my decision to make but if he was banned the devs should not creaet a looophole to the let the other side walk free.

          [–]cysh6356 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          spot on

          [–]lazzystinkbag 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I mean, is anyone really surprised. It's been apparent these Devs are clueless since the game launched.

          [–]BurakCsorbaBurakCsorba 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Ah, I remember...

          I sent them an email containing 63 pictures of people on roofs.

          Hope they enjoy their bans.

          [–]tebbythetiger 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Because banning 63 players is better than fixing the initial problem allowing them to glitch. By all means help drive the games population down by any means neccesary. Ill encourage people to get refunds from xbox. You can get them banned. And by our combined powers we'll get the game player base to 0 where it belongs.

          [–]HEADSLASHES 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          LOL! "And by our combined powers we'll get the game player base to 0" Sorry buddy, not going to happen

          [–]tebbythetiger 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          thanks steamcharts

          Month Avg. Players Gain % Gain Peak Players Last 30 Days 4,692.6 -874.2 -15.70% 8,110

          [–]Spydirmonki 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (20子コメント)

          I dunno, man. The initial review left some pretty important details out. The guy who got banned didn't mention that he had been dropping slurs until after Gun responded, while not (as far as I know) ever refuting their claims. If anything, he tried to justify his behavior.

          It feels like, to me, an outrage brigade.

          [–]Lira70 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          He included that he called them names in the original review.

          [–]ArtphosMoPhobia 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          so provoked slurs is a perm ban now? a week seems like enough, and then perma ban that corrupt devs daughter or whatever the fuck she is

          [–]NumpTFlompAJ is life. -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

          I think it's more of a "Wait... Are you telling me i can't be a cunt in this game anymore"

          Personally if they want to filter out these "smack talkers" then they have my vote to carry on full steam ahead.

          [–]Servebotfrank 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I'm inclined to side with the reviewer since he admitted that he dropped slurs instantly once asked. If he was a liar he would have never mentioned that. He only contests to the sexual harassment because that charge makes no sense.

          [–]NumpTFlompAJ is life. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I mean honestly if it came down to it and the devs said to me what would you do, I'd remove both parties from the game and then put this thing to bed because so far I've seen one review, one response and everything else has been he said she said or pure speculation and tbh it's boring me.

          I'm gutted to see the F13 reddit be swamped in the same threads over and over and over again instead of memes and funny posts, I'm even more shocked at how people think this is perfectly fine behavior because "brah it's just a prank and all gamers talk like this"

          [–]Servebotfrank 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Honestly if he had just banned both parties I wouldn't give a shit even though it would suck for the dude who lost his temper.

          EDIT: Changed my mind with banning the reviewer. There's no rule about calling someone a fag. I checked, or whore even.

          [–]Spydirmonki -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          It's a slippery slope, I admit. Injecting people into any system causes bias in the system. People having absolute power, regardless of guidelines, will use it how they see fit, so yeah it can be abused on either end.

          That said, I agree with you. If the banned guy was really just pissed in a game he obviously wasn't going to win and clearly didn't want to record and use against the people he felt were griefing, finding a new lobby (easy to do, since Steam actually works) was his best option.

          Instead, he went a bit apeshit in the game, got banned, and wrote a fucking useless review, trying to drum up something (outrage, internet points, attention). I'm certainly not going to miss anyone dropping "faggot" and "whore" in my games.

          [–]lazzystinkbag 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'm certainly not going to miss anyone dropping "faggot" and "whore" in my games

          Hit the damn mute button its there for a reason.

          This isn't anywhere near something justified for a ban. Where the fuck do you draw the line? What if I start calling someone a Carrot and they find it offensive and want to report me? Should I be banned for someone getting offended for being called a Carrot?

          Too many damn people want to be offended by something. Mute the person and move the hell on.

          wrote a fucking useless review

          Doesn't seem so god damn useless when the Devs are stupid enough to come out and pretty much admit how stupid they are.

          I think his review did a fuck ton of good. It further shows how incompetent these Devs are.

          [–]cysh6356 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          This was my exact response. Why not just record and report the players cheating. Gun has been banning people for this exact thing. Crying and cursing at anyone seems futile in most cases anyway.b

          [–]Spydirmonki 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          As I understand it, allegedly the reporting parties claimed to be "friends with the devs". Whether they said it at all, let alone if it's true, is speculation. Somehow it's easier to assume the devs practice favoritism than it is to assume this guy lied.

          edit: a word edit 2: Praetorian did confirm they know the players here, so I stand corrected

          [–]tebbythetiger 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Thepraetorian (dev) admitted they know the girls in the locked reddit thread and i belive on the steam fourm

          [–]Spydirmonki 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I had missed that, thanks I'll go read up!

          [–]Spydirmonki 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Edited my comment with the link to the comment, thanks again.

          [–]cysh6356 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I know its baffleing

          [–]Spydirmonki 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I can KIND of see it. If you feel the launch issues and current state of bugs and broken mechanics are the result of malicious negligence by the devs, it's not a hard leap in logic to assume they'd create a system to give their friends a good time.

          But I just don't get the vibe that this is a group of cash-grabbing devs on a power trip. But that's just me.

          [–]cysh6356 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Even that logic is based on one persons recollection of another persons supposed statement. I digress as you said I do not believe the devs are abusing their power at least if they are i have yet to see definite proof

          [–]NumpTFlompAJ is life. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Agreed everyone spouting on about it being an M rated game but can't handle some kids without going a bit bat shit.

          [–]RageAgenda 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I've had far worse verbal abuse in hundreds of sessions, but it's easily resolved with muting the offenders.

          [–]winniguy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (12子コメント)

          IMO Idk why people start to pick on a side without any proof.

          I will wait for more details come out.

          People can share opinions but I think blaming is too early.

          [–]Ps4_and_Ipad_Lover 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

          I guess the devs explained there side of said story that the guy was not telling the full story. It seems most ppl are pissy the devs won't share the video of said report

          [–]winniguy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          I think so but showing video evidence isn't that easy.

          I never heard any big video game company show the evidence to banned people.

          If they show a video evidence, devs will have to deal with every single banned people.

          [–]Ps4_and_Ipad_Lover 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (19子コメント)

          Eh honestly idk the full story so I can't take sides. One thing though I do think they need to just release the video just to see who's right idk why they don't wanna do this but eh

          [–]Titanman083 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I don't need to know the full story to see how unprofessional and childlike the response by /u/thepraetorian was to that steam user's review; it just verifies we have a bunch of incompetent people running this game right now.

          [–]Clonedpickle 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          thepraetorian could of worded his reply better but at the end of the day, where's the proof the reviewer is innocent and the group of kids were out right Team Kiiling? Right now it's just everyone taking what he said at face value. If the guy has 100% unedited proof then the ban is wrongly justified.

          [–]Ps4_and_Ipad_Lover 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Ya every one sees things different. I'm still not going to take any side on the matter. All ik is the reply should have been better but oh well.

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              [–]Servebotfrank 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              I think most are mad about the favoritism shown towards the others who were actually breaking rules. There's nothing in the TOS about calling someone a faggot or a whore. They only say don't threaten to rape people. They even said in their post that they wouldn't be policing language. In fact, there's no ingame TOS. Without it being directly in the game nothing in that post matters.

              You can say fuck or cunt even.

              Is the direct quote I believe.

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                [–]Servebotfrank 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                I don't see any mentions of SJWs besides from two people. I am most definitely concerned about the favoritism. What if I get into a game with those players and they start attacking me? What if I attack back and they send GUN a video but cut out the part of me getting hurt first? Wouldn't that be incredible bullshit?

                And from what it sounds like, the girls and the 12 year old insulted the guy first according to people on Steam who were in the game at the time based on some reason or another, apparently the kid was a dick. If some kid called me a fag and I responded back because I'm childish, wouldn't I be right to be angry if only I get banned because he was friends with the dev?

                [–]tebbythetiger 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                ose players and they start attacking me? What if I attack back and they send GUN a video but cut out the part of me getting hurt first? Wouldn't that be incredible bullshit? And from what it sounds like, the girls and the 12 year old insulted the guy first according to people on Steam who were in the game at the time based on some reason or another, apparently the kid was a dick. If some kid called me a fag and I responded back because I'm childish, wouldn't I be right to be angry if only I get banned because he was friends with the dev?

                and thats the exact state of the game right now. no server side recording for devs to review. only highly subjective and easily video editable video proof submitted by the accuser. Do you think the average 15 year old troll doesn't have all the free time in the world to doctor up audio and edit the video recording. do you think the dev's who have been super on top of their game since day one to be able to see thru any of that or just take whats given to them at face value and bam here comes the banhammer like they've been quick to do so far with total flim flam evidence

                [–]Servebotfrank 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                There are way better ways of handling it too. I remember I used to play on some RP server for DayZ. They were strict as fuck with reporting players. If you recorded a rule break, you had to record the incident in it's entirety and not to leave context out. If you left out something that looked bad you would get punished instead of the other person.

                If I was handling this, I would've wanted the full video of the match so I had context. A simple 30 second clip doesn't cut it.

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