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[–]Servebotfrank 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They locked the 2nd thread too after Praetorian made a statement. This time he didn't give people a chance to question him and didn't even acknowledge the controversy. Just some statement about how racism is wrong in case no one already knew that.

He keeps dodging the issue and it's annoying as shit.

[–]GeminiGenocide -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]datboi10012 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Proof that gun has mod power: http://imgur.com/a/SbUMF

Note that they have the permissions post. Post on Modnews that shows you need this permission to lock posts: https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/3qguqv/moderators_lock_a_post/

So basically Jen played you lel

[–]Servebotfrank 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (11子コメント)

They keep shadow deleting threads about it too.

http://imgur.com/a/c3Mzg

[–]SupaKoopaTroopa7 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's shady as fuck. Gotta suppress all the negativity I guess

[–]MrYtem39 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

d a m a g e

c o n t r o l

[–]GeminiGenocide 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

They're being deleted most likely because they are beginning to take over the sub-reddit.

[–]eudezet 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

And for a good fucking reason. Why should people stay quiet when devs are feeding us bullshit and basically going "lalala can't hear you"? Fuck that

[–]GeminiGenocide 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

" devs are feeding us bullshit and basically going lalala can't hear you"

Explain please. downvoting is for irrelevant material not because you disagree

[–]eudezet 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Dev in question started pasting the same PR response to every callout and claimed that Jason and Jason helper teaming up was "spur of the moment" which apparently isn't a reason for ban for some reason. And then the thread got locked when the callouts piled on.

[–]GeminiGenocide -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The thread being locked was not by a Dev.

Spur of the moment is totally okay to me ex. Blocking off cabin doorway so another counselor cant get in then jason grabs the other counselor and you run away. Or killing another counselor for a seat in the boat or car. Or hurting another counselor so they cant run away from jason so they get grab killed and you run away.

[–]eudezet 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You actually believe all that shit you just typed, don't you?

[–]ZylnoriTofuMan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But how exactly do you explain "Spur of the moment" while reviewing every single Jason Helper case? By that logic every single Jason helping could be claimed as a Spur of the moment because unless they go into the game beforehand saying they will Jason, anything after that is up to interpretation because a Spur of the moment could just be you agreeing to help Jason in exchange for your help, or Helping Jason get someone you dont like for any reason.

Because of how vague that is it doesnt help the case. How about making it simple? Any Jason helper should be ban because there is zero reason to even have a Jason helper. You can team kill especially since the devs already stated it was ok. But of course they wont do that because that would mean they need to ban their friends. If they were true to their word they would do it. If they had any ounce of respect to their fans and rules they would ban them. They not banning their friends just shows how unprofessional they are and it is going to hurt them in the end. They have no one to blame but themselves!

[–]Servebotfrank 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It wouldn't be if there was a centralized thread to talk about all of this in. Everytime there is though it gets shut down which means a new one takes its place.

[–]GeminiGenocide 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What is there to talk about? Both parties should be temp banned. Done, end of discussion.

[–]martiniguy 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

From the description of the incident I pieced together, both sides should be (temp?) banned. The reviewer because of verbal abuse (profanity is fine but directing it at people is not) and the teamers because teaming.

Of course the stuff about knowing the devs is serious business, everyone should follow the rules, friends of the devs or not.

Edit: also locking threads always smells fishy.

[–]JohnnyReeko 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Definitely shouldn't be permabanned just for saying some insults after being provoked. Temp banning both parties would have avoided this whole controversy.

[–]AdenziaAdenzia -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Both definitely deserve to be permabanned for their behavior.

[–]Criandor 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think that:

A ban of one week, and a mute for a week after should be on the guy who called the kid a faggot.

Three-5 day ban on the rest of the group.

Both being a first-and-final warning towards a perma ban.

[–]AdenziaAdenzia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess I'd personally be okay with a one warning rule.

[–]Yung-Fuu 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The devs claim that they're not censoring us, but by locking threads and not giving us time to reply are they not doing just that?

[–]Servebotfrank -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's not the devs. It's a mod doing it. I was told that they're figuring out who's doing it.

[–]GeminiGenocide 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A: The Devs are Mods. http://imgur.com/a/RDWdt B: Praetorian does not have the ability to lock threads. http://imgur.com/FeVX0XV

[–]WrathfulBlad3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't believe that.

[–]Iconoficons 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That other thread was disgusting and the mod/devs posting in it openly admitting to knowing the person that didn't get banned makes the entire process look really, really bad.

The only 12 year olds I know I'm related to in some way, I'm betting the 12 year old in question is related to one of the developers.

I agree with op this kind of behavior will kill the community

[–]-Peach- 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. The lack of professionalism from the dev is shocking, and I hope they find someone better to represent their company publicly. If they'd handled the situation right in the beginning, there would not have been so much backlash from the community now.

[–]GeminiGenocide 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's illogical to believe one person over another when neither have evidence. This is a single instance yet you say it's going to kill the game... How exactly do accusations with no evidence contribute to the death of a game?

[–]grathungar 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

its not believing one person when the devs themselves admitted to the Jason collusion.

[–]JohnnyReeko 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The devs admitted they were helping Jason in the now locked thread and that they weren't banned. Also admitted they knew the cheaters.

[–]GeminiGenocide 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

then both sides should've been temp banned, not perma.

[–]kyle9431oilers 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ban the other players that said they knew the devs they were breaking TOS by helping Jason .

[–]GeminiGenocide 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is that the person who wrote the steam report had no evidence of whatever the conflict was (I don't remember what happened off the top of my head specifically).

[–]methrik[🍰] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It makes it apaarent that you could orchastrate a report to get some one banned. Also it would be easy to intice some one to break these rules. Take some context out of it and gg

[–]bg667899874466 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To people who are defending the developers and posting things like "Just play the game! Don't break the rules and you'll be fine!"--you're missing a broader point.

By admitting he knew the other players who didn't get banned and that he trusted them because they were colleagues, it opens the door for some pretty bad behavior. It's the idea that I can get banned just because I happened to be in a Quick Play match with a friend of the developer, and even if I'm doing nothing wrong, that friend can report me for whatever they feel like because the developer will trust their word over mine. Seemingly, they could make up anything and I would get banned.

Oh, and I could also get banned because I didn't read some additional rules posted on Reddit. That's no longer a fun game if I'm constantly worried about getting banned for just playing the game. It's a slim chance, but it's there.

[–]Criandor 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If this is how the developers respond to a ban then I have no business playing this game.

Calling someone a whore on a game is an entirely different bag from sexualizing a child, and to treat a random insult as if it's the equivalent of that in order to save face against abusing your power as a developer isn't something I feel is right.

A 12 year old should not be using their mic on a mature rated game like this. Friday the 13th is not a family-friendly series. Do you know why some kids play Call of Duty despite it being a mature rated game, with completely toxic communities cussing left and right?

Because there is a parental filter option in almost every one to cut out on the violence and swearing, and most parents have the foresight to disable the childs ability to hear people ingame.

Maybe I didn't check the options well enough, but this game does not have a parental filter, it is rated for a mature audience, and there is no way that the child wasn't reasonably aware of the games content, or in the case of their parents buying it....their parents.

So I don't buy that this is ''especially'' terrible of an offense simply because the ''victim'' who themselves were breaking the rules is a 12 year old, they are subject to the same standards and fairness that everyone else is because this game as the emergent assumption that you're a mature audience when you play it. So stop acting as if ''it's a child'' adds any weight to the issue. Don't try to act like this is some sex-trafficking crime please, someone insulted another person on the internet. A permanent ban is a little excessive in this case, although a temp ban or extended mute to where the player can't talk shouldn't be too hard to ask.

You are forcing someone who paid 40$ for your game to never be able to play it because he insulted someone on the internet, if you are so offended and outraged by such a common occurence that you would cheat someone out of 40$ and NOT punish the fuckwit who themselves were breaking the rules THAT YOU SET then you are not developers I want to support and I regret buying this game.

''sexually objectifying a child''. For gods sakes, you're writing him off to be some war-criminal-child-rapist, and then threaten to ban people for calling you out on white-knighting? Fine, because this isn't white-knighting. It's simply an abuse of power and extremely awful behavior on your part. There doesn't need to be a fancy nebulous term to describe it, I really regret wasting the money and time on this game that I did. Good day F13, you had a lot of potential but you simply were given to a naive and childish group.

If calling a female a whore is sexual harrassment, why do you have an achievement called ''Chad is a dick''? Isn't that the same fucking thing? There is a clear double standard issue here, this is clearly motivated by personal friendship between the 12 year old kid and the devs and a PC narrative being pushed. People wonder why everyone has issues with PC these days.

[–]Jarokwa 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

praetorian's a moron and probably shouldn't be in charge of anything lmao

playing favorites should not be a thing when you're handing out bans, if both sides offended, then both sides should be banned

[–]MrSelfDestruct88 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I really enjoy this game, I enjoy getting online and playing a few rounds after work. It's got issues that can be fixed. I play by the rules and have a good time. Everyone stressing about TOS and Dev attitude, etc. Just play the damn game, the way it's meant to, don't cheat, don't glitch, don't be an asshole to other people. It's simple.

[–]XaoyuBillie 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's not about the fact the trashtalking guy got banned... the problem is that the other trashtalking/rulesbreaker guys, who appear to know one dev, didn't get banned either.

From our point of view (and the lack of evidence) it looks like favoritism. And it's problematic when you think that your dev team are clueless at taking decision in all fairness.

(and that they let childrens play this kind of game while we are at it)

[–]kyle9431oilers 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (9子コメント)

So don't swear or get angry over the mic just play like a good lilttie gamer?

[–]Smokeeye123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I can't say Ive ever called someone a faggot during a game. Dont be a whiny bitch and just play and youll be fine.

[–]MrSelfDestruct88 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that's about right.

[–]AirMoonsCamaradeMoons 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I love this game too, and waited for the glitches to be fixed without whining. But I do not accept that the devs friends can help Jason kill other counselors and get away with it. I do not accept that the dev friends get special treatment because they made someone being banned by calling a dev. I want all the players to be equal in treatment. That is not the case. I am really disapointed with the devs.

[–]MrSelfDestruct88 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The person banned called someone a f@ggot and wh0res which breaks the rules no matter how you slice it. I get an hr of free time after work if I'm lucky and I am not going to bother with this mob mentality. I have fun with this game for the most part and can wait for the glitches to be ironed out.

[–]AirMoonsCamaradeMoons 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

/u/ThePraetorian himself said

People make mistakes, we can't ban common language usage from people...that'd ban the majority of players on just about every game.

Are you gonna ban every player that uses the word faggot? Or bitch? Or whatever? Apparently, no, unless you told someone who knows the devs.

I'm ok with whatever rule they come up with, if and only if it applies to everyone and we are treated as equal. What we have seen here is called favoritism.

[–]MrSelfDestruct88 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I see a lot of jumping to conclusions. The devs and the 2 parties involved know everything that went down. We've only seen pieces. IMO f@ggot is not common language and he broke he rules calling women wh0res as well. I don't use the word, nobody should. Just because it's common online doesn't make it right.

[–]AirMoonsCamaradeMoons 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like I told you, I'm ok with whatever rule as long as it is enforced to everyone the same way. This has not been the case here.

[–]overbose -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whore and faggot aren't common language, but cunt is? /u/ThePraetorian specifically said that calling someone a cunt is fine. You want to tell me you think cunt is a less offensive term than whore or faggot?

[–]GeneralSkywalkerSolo -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are missing the point. The point is, these guys are at the point of doing actual legal damage with some of this stuff. It's not acceptable.

[–]monypwrspt 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im shitting on devs.

[–]kyle9431oilers 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No statement from the developer is pathetic.

[–]tebbythetiger 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]Servebotfrank 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw that. I just posted up another one. I give a few seconds before it's gone and I'm shadow banned.

Edit: AND DELETED.

[–]Heurist1k 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish we could go back to people crying about the game crashing. This high school drama is getting worse, and since the summer break children can't play the game due to instability, they have all the time in the world to be Internet detectives.

[–]PTfan 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So glad I didn't buy this game. Still buggy as hell and now we have "Bangate".

There is no way I'm paying 40$ for a game where I run the risk of being permanently banned for any reason without proof.

[–]AdenziaAdenzia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Any reason" The guy LITERALLY admitted to calling the boy a homophobic slur and the two girls whores.

Stop acting like he didn't deserve his ban. The others deserve to be banned but the reviewer got what he bargained for by using this words.

[–]ARustyFirePlace -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

OMG A HOMOPHOBIC SLUR HE SAID A FUCKING WORD BAN HIM

[–]Kinoso 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe, and just maybe, we should create a new sub that is not under direct control of the devs, in order to discuss this kind of things...

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    [–]grathungar 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That'd be all fine and good if they stopped locking threads for discussion about this.

    [–]Ps4_and_Ipad_Lover 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes seems they locked it as well

    [–]SteepedTeaDoubleD -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    You'll be a mod some day! Keep at it!

    [–]Ps4_and_Ipad_Lover -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I can not tell if you are insulting me or not lol

    [–]SteepedTeaDoubleD 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Its like one of those fufu dogs that keeps trying to hump your leg

    [–]Ps4_and_Ipad_Lover 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Ah ok so insult alright lol

    [–]SteepedTeaDoubleD -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Now you're gonna ban me aren't you....

    [–]Ps4_and_Ipad_Lover 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Eh you have a right to your opinions

    [–]Indominus_Draco 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    How are the devs killing the game?? Like does it directly impact you that they banned someone else? As long as you not the one breaking the rules then what the devs do shouldn't be any concern of yours. Just play the game and enjoy it

    [–]Kanavus 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Incorrect. The fact that the devs can ban anyone they choose at any time for things this stupid directly affects a ton of people, and funny enough also negatively affects the game. People will see Praetorian's response and decide not to buy the game, I guarantee it. No one is going to see that response and decide they should buy the game because of it. His reaction was unprofessional and frankly not planned out at all, and will only negatively affect the game for both us, as it will drain the playerbase even more than it already has, and the devs.

    [–]tebbythetiger 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    thank god steam has cracked down on dev's ability to delete comments to keep things fair and supression of information on that site unlike the mods here at reddit. you can see on the steam comments the number of people talking about not buying the game due to pratorian's comments calling players trash.

    [–]Iconoficons 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    SOF Studios was hugely responsible for steam changing their terms there.

    Horrible developer that did nothing but lie.

    [–]VGPowerlordpowerlord 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I've never heard of them. I has assumed it was Digital Homicide that was responsible for that particular rule change.

    [–]Iconoficons 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They were the developers of H-Hour. Their game was entirely crowd funded on the premise of being a successor to SOCOM with the promise of the original development team and a PS4 release.

    After it was funded the original team was removed and replaced, they released a shorty broken beta and banned anyone on their forums for leaving negative reviews on steam and then deleted the reviews.

    [–]SupaKoopaTroopa7 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I can confirm this. I was on the fence about buying it but now 100% avoiding this game.

    [–]AdenziaAdenzia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Stop with this rhetoric that they banned him randomly on a whim. He admitted to calling them a slur and whores.

    [–]arrowforerunner 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They are wasting time on bullshit bans when someone like me needs a patch to fix bullshit bugs on xbox

    [–]IrateSteelix 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How can you kill a game that's already dead? :)

    [–]ARustyFirePlace 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What do you mean "killing"? This game is already dead. This subreddit is in full on denial mode and there's no actual discussion about the game itself, just stupid fucking memes. Probably because everyone realises it's trash.

    [–]Aidocs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    In all seriousness, I've never seen another subreddit for a game that has so little mechanical discussion and a front page full of recycled imgur memes with new ones EVERY DAY. Not saying it means anything one way or the other, but it's definitely weird.

    [–]ryanjustin1 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Loll. I rarely come on here and i play the game daily. You guys are all caught up in drama.... Why do people take this game so serious. If someone uses slurs. Of course they should be banned. Had he reported the users first he wouldnt have had a problem instead he decides to cuss people off so they report him... Same as xbox or anywhere else... Bte this game is far from perfect (memory leaks and jasons grabs) are huge problems but people getting kicked arent the problem here. Last but not least if you dont like the game dont play it iv bought games i dont like but i dont go to those subs and bash it i move on to a game i enjoy... Dont be angry over a game just move along

    [–]KingFerocious93 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't think anyone should get permabanned this is ridiculous, just matched them with other players that exploits/help Jason. They bought your game for 40$ mind you, these are glitches in YOUR game that you haven't fixed yet.

    [–]Aidocs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm shocked that a dev that'd lie and doom two thirds of their playerbase (Consoles) to P2P after they promised the contrary would be unprofessional.. Oh wait, no I'm not.

    [–]PillarOfWisdom -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's a game for shit's sake. If someone is helping Jason, leave. Find another server. It's so rare to be on a server with a choad who is team killing and such. Is it really worth it to get all shitty faced at the devs?

    [–]Beardmage 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hard to do that on Xbox when you had to sit in the lobby alone or play small games for an hour waiting for a full lobby. Hope it gets fixed soon.