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[–]SnapshillBotPassing Turing Tests since 1956 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]Thrashmad 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, but democracy is an even bigger tyranny, you still have much to learn Snappy.

[–]SolidBlues 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

during the monarchical age before World War I, government expenditure as a percent of GNP was rarely higher than 5%. Since then it has typically risen to around 50%. Prior to World War I, government employment was typically less than 3% of total employment. Since then it has increased to between 15 and 20%. The monarchical age was characterized by a commodity money (gold) and the purchasing power of money gradually increased. In contrast, the democratic age is the age of paper money whose purchasing power has permanently decreased. (Natural Elites, Intellectuals and the State)

Does he just state these things as if they're by definition bad, without any explanation as to why?

[–]Y3808Aesthetical Marxist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does he just state these things as if they're by definition bad, without any explanation as to why?

Because all of the government money that mom, dad, and grandpa got after WW2 was for the most part whites only. If only his minions could go back to those good ole days, they'd be better off.

Of course they can't come right out and say that directly so there have to be code words and innuendo.

[–]OmerosP 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

What does the "anarcho-" even signify if in fact you're a monarchist?

[–]SisterRay 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The absence of a state apparatus per se.

[–]AntiVision 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But anarchism has always been more than just smashing the state.

[–]ccmulligan 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't expect sense from idiots.

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    [–]hussard_de_la_mortSanta Ana killed David Bowie[M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Go ahead and read Rule 4 on the sidebar, otherwise your stay here will be quite short.

    [–]trj820 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    If I may, I'd like to play the 'no true' card: Hoppe is just a Fascist. He's pro-wall, pro-physical removal of homosexuals, and anti-drug. He and Molyneux are about as anarchistic as Robocop, and are not reflective of real Anarcho-Capitalists.

    [–]frezikKoopa King did nothing wrong 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    And yet, /r/Physical_Removal is an all too popular sub, which takes its name from that last passage cited by OP. If Hoppe isn't an ancap, then there are a lot of ancaps who didn't get the message.

    [–]trj820 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    They're Pinochet supporters. Since when is he an ancap?

    [–]frezikKoopa King did nothing wrong 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They also covered the sub in yellow/black ancap flag colors. Pinochet is held up as an example by them as someone who did exactly what Hoppe was talking about: kill all the leftists.

    Friedrich Hayek (a major figure in the Austrian school of economics that Ancaps love so much) supported Pinochet. The eulogy for Pinochet over at the Von Mises Institute is also full of apologetics. It's also not difficult to find similar apologetics on /r/Anarcho_Capitalism:

    https://np.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/6a3hv2/how_it_feels_to_deal_with_ancoms_and_pinochet/

    https://np.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/6ag49r/whats_with_ancap_signalling_against_pinochet_as/

    https:// np.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/5wbeo7/was_pinochet_justified_discuss/

    If these are all "no true" ancaps, then there aren't very many real ancaps.

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      [–]DaftPrinceI learnt all my history from Sabaton 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Eh, I have all sorts of criticisms of ancapism but I don't think we should judge the ideology itself by authoritarian dickbags who pretend to follow it. If we did we'd have to also judge socialism by tankies and as a socialist I'd really rather not.

      [–]Its_a_FriendlyEmperor Flavius Claudius Julianus Augustus of Madagascar 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That first article certainly shows its biases (and I think, for good reason, as Hoppe pretty much seems to be just a despicable libertarian Nazi), but the comments for it are just so much worse. Yeesh.

      Although one of them (by the author, I think?) names "The Alternative Right" in 2012. I thought that was a bit of a newer term. Interesting.

      [–]USApatriot12 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      The problem with modern government is that it has been largely captured by large multinational corporations, which are in a special class all their own. I am sure even the tyrants of old would be beside themselves to learn that sovereignty has been reduced to a shell game for international profit extraction.

      [–]Y3808Aesthetical Marxist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      But is that really different from previous governments?

      The French rolled out the guillotine because no one cared about the commoners. Church, king, lesser nobles who had bought their titles, were all primarily concerned with getting paid. It didn't bother them if the peasantry had nothing left after everyone else got their cut.

      When the peasants revolted against Richard II, they didn't demand the head of the king. They burned the palace of John of Gaunt and a knight order; the administrator of the law and his enforcers, basically.

      I don't see modern industrial nations that much differently, to be honest. Tell me that skinhead cops don't remind you of Chaucer's rusty knight. Trump having Toby Keith sing to a stadium full of Saudis while riding around on a golf cart? Commodus would be proud.

      [–]USApatriot12 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      I suppose if you're getting crushed it doesn't make a difference who is doing it. I just don't like the tremendous size of the modern company, and how they pretend that all transactions with them are voluntary (how could they be, if they have cornered the market on something you need?)

      [–]Draco_Ranger 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Can you give an example of a business which has monopolized a necessary good?

      I get that companies like Comcast have functional monopolies, due to the aftereffects of government regulation, but aside from a few quarks of regulations not keeping up with the times, the Justice department is pretty good at disbanding monopolies.

      [–]USApatriot12 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I mean necessary in the sense that you need their products to do your job. Even government employees such as teachers must use textbooks published by a media conglomerate. The effects of these companies are pervasive, permeate every layer of society, and reduce democracy to an empty husk.

      [–]Y3808Aesthetical Marxist -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I'm not disagreeing with you, I just don't think anything is really all that different.

      The property changed hands between lesser nobles and the merchant classes, but that's about it, really. John of Gaunt moved to Wall Street.

      [–]USApatriot12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I understand your point. My point is that the scale is so massive that these companies are now in essence their own countries with their own economies. Critiques of democracy ignore the fact that democracy has been superseded by private organizations.

      [–]IIoWoIICollectivization is magic! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      East India companies though.

      [–]viscountprawn[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ah good old HHH. If you haven't read it yet and feel like laughing uneasily, check out "Journey Into a Libertarian Future" - it's an examination of Hunter Hearst Helmsley's views in the form of an "interview" with many book quotes. http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/12/journey-into-a-libertarian-future-part-vi-%E2%80%93-certainty.html

      (This is the last part, but the earlier ones are linked)

      [–]TheBasilean 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      From Hoppe’s very short book specifically on the subject, which can be downloaded for "free":

      […] it is not my purpose here to engage in standard history, i.e., history as it is written by historians, but to offer a logical or sociological reconstruction of history, informed by actual historical events, but motivated more fundamentally by theoretical — philosophical and economic — concerns

      […] my assertion that the Middle Ages can serve as a rough historical example of what I have just described as a natural order.

      This brief description of the feudal order or more specifically “allodial” feudalism shall suffice for my purpose. Let me only add this. I do not claim here that this order was perfect, a true natural order, as I have characterized it before.


      I don't agree with Hoppe, neither with his premises or his conclusions. But this post just attacks a single out-of-context quote, and does a very poor job of it. The book that this is from, "Democracy: The God That Failed", concerns World War One however. It is only the book I linked to that describes historical monarchy. Even ignoring that that book specifically states that his argument is primarily political and generalized, in the quote we have he speaks about a supposed "trend" over what OP interprets to be a long period of time, his supposed monarchical age. Three cherry-picked examples from one country do not a trend make. One could just as well cherry-pick a few bad democratic rulers to conclude that democracy is nothing but those kinds of rulers.

      I have of course not read "Democracy: The God That Failed", since I don't care for spending money on such things. In any case, I believe that he is likely comparing the monarchies of the Central Powers with the republican entities that came after. Germany and Austria specifically. Those he is likely much more familiar with, and are probably why he can present those percentages (assuming of course that he did not make those up).

      I would also think that this post would have gotten removed under rule 2, since stating "Anarcho-capitalism is a moronic ideology in and of itself" is very much discussion of modern politics, rather than just "badhistory by current political figures". It also feels like this might violate the second half of Rule 3. This entire thing seems more suited to /r/badpolitics/.