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Media ReviewThe Library of Alexandria - The Crime That Set Human Civilization Back 1,000 Years (self.badhistory)

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This morning youtube recommended this video, which has over 76,000 views.

The title says it all really. Most of it is pretty run of the mill "if they had a medical library and hero's engine imagine what we could have now!" stuff.

He blames Julius Ceaser which is a nice change of pace from the usual Christian mobs that get the blame for ruining civilization but then he seems to claim that this "crime" has been covered up.

kids think about what they're learning in school, think about how much is omitted. Now I'm not going to say that the library of Alexandria is ommited from school teaching but I don't remember learning about it at all, at least not in depth... if there is though what is it like a sentence included in some paragraph... that's part of the problem guys.

Why all the hush hush?

Ceasers, these guys were conquerors that what they did...and don't forget history has been written by those who conquer others.

ah yes, the old victors write the history line. See here

Also because the library was burned by Ceaser, a Roman, "many people" suggest the Vatican archives, you know in Rome, has hidden knowledge from the library of Alexandria, including physical scrolls. Which is a nice tie-in for his other video Vatican Secret Archives 2017 EXPOSED! Ancient Egypt & Lost Human Civilization.

there are plenty of responses as to this claim that the burning of the library set humanity back thousands of years such as this one, this one, and this one

The first link is perhaps the most relevent. What was lost in the fire?

Probably next to nothing, and certainly nothing of importance was lost.

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[–]Merkmerkm 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Jesus fucking christ. I am rarely ever in this sub but I just watched this video and had to look for him here. It was recommended on YouTube and I knew from the title that it would be awful. I even watched some of his other videos. This guy is a real nut.

"However it is wildly accepted and honestly the timetable really conclusively show that it had to have been Julius Caesar in the year 48 b.c. That is not to say that there may have not been more than one attacks such as... or the... and there have even been suggestions of muslim conquests in 642 a.d. Guys, that is all bs. It was Julius Caesar. It is so obvious, the timetable fits it perfectly. "

I love how he as an amateur researcher who has read a bit online for a couple of hours concludes that there is only one definitive attack that destroyed it and that it is so" obvious" that it was done by Julius Caesar.

He does this in all of his videos, debunks 'facts' created by the people in charge with his 'truth'.

[–]huck_ 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (3子コメント)

2000 years from now on future reddit.

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[–]Ellikichi 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I love this kind of joke.

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[–]legizelle 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

at least it seems certain that the Jews did it!

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[–]nickelfldnAlphalpha Male 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Please enlighten me o'wonderous bot.

[–]Regendorf 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/Emuwarflashbacks

[–]withateethuhHistory is written by the people that wrote the history. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit.

[–]mozgul 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

stupid Emu War

[–]CircleDog 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Didn't see this was badhistory at first but I always stall at any mention of the library because I know it's guaranteed there will be many, many people with no experience of history beyond Ancient Aliens starting posts with "Actually,... "

One of them told me that in fact it was Alexander the Great who burned it down! Years after he was born, in a city that didn't exist until he founded it.

So he founded it, built the library and then burned it down. No wonder he was so great...

[–]FoxMadrid 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He gets things done.

[–]etherizedonatableAlexander burned down the Library of Alexandria 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They didn't call him "the Great" for nothing.

[–]CZall23Paul persecuted his imaginary friends 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't build an empore without burning a library?

[–]TimONeillAtheist Swiss Guardsman 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You may find my latest article in my "Great Myths" series useful:

History for Atheists: The Great Myths 5 - The Destruction of the Great Library of Alexandria

[–]BoredomManTalk to your doctor before taking Byzantine[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh! This is great stuff. Thanks for sharing.

[–]Arcturion 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Much to my surprise, I finished the lengthy, but enjoyable read.

That was an excellent piece of writing and research.

[–]TimONeillAtheist Swiss Guardsman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Glad you liked it.

[–]ImaffoI 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will definetely give your blog a read at a later time, thank you for the link!

[–]Felinomancy 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Julius Caesar did destroy the Library of Alexandria; the Greeks have only one more turn to go before they finish that World Wonder, but 'ol JC managed to steal it from them.

[–]CircleDog 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (7子コメント)

You know he wasn't the only JC around that area at that time... Coincidence? I think not.

[–]stoirtap 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (6子コメント)

All I'm saying is that no one's ever seen Julius Caesar and Jesus in the same place at the same time.

[–]tim_mcdanielThomas Becket needed killin' 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.", so he made bank coming and going.

[–]IAMA_DRUNK_BEARWarren Harding did nothing wrong! 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Classic Jewish manipulation.

Wait...

[–]IsThisSatireOrNot 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Everyone knows Jesus was a good American Christian boy, but (((Caesar))) was a Jew Globalist.

[–]PETApitaSAbraham Lincoln, Father of Rocket Jumping 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

DAE the latins were trojans were jews?

[–]yoshiKUncultured savage since 476 AD 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, Caesar wanted to unite the globe, specifically under his command.

[–]ESarey9 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are some historians who believe that Julius Caesar is Jesus Christ. I just found out but it's a pretty funny read

[–]KnightModernNazi and Communist sink Lusitania to make US join WWII 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

*Trajan

[–]bobloblawrmsLouis XIV, King of the Sun, gave the people food and artillery 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only in 6 tho

[–]victalac 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But the Library was restocked later by Marc Antony from his own and other private collections, and probably to a greater degree.

Didn't mention that, did he?

[–]Felinomancy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

restocked later by Marc Antony

With what, Jennifer Lopez music videos?

[–]AstrogatorHitler was controlled by a cabal of Tibetan black magicians 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Julius Ceaser

Ceasers

Ceaser

Please cease.

[–]XenophonTheAthenianWas Lepidus made up to make the numbers work? 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Probably next to nothing, and certainly nothing of importance was lost.

People are now quoting me. Is this good? I want to think this is good, but it could have some horrifying implications for our progeny.

If this guy legitimately thinks Caesar burned the Library he should have spoken to Ernst Badian before he died. I forget where Badian published it, but Badian wrote a piece on Caesar's actions in Alexandria and concluded persuasively on the basis of several details in the text--not least that the Library continued to exist and that Caesar's actions were on the harbor front, nowhere near the Library--that the fighting in Alexandria burned down some of the storehouses along the harbor. The entire Library and Museum complex was referred to often as being a single unit. In any case, it's not as though Caesar landed at Alexandria thinking "hey let's burn some books." There was something of a battle going on...

[–]Chinoiserie91 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I once red a pretty interesting book about polics of Rome leading up to Caesar's death and it worded the thing about the library like that. And then there went on to blame evil Christians (well many evil was it quite the word used but it was pretty close).

[–]CircleDog 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy christ. That comment section may well be the worst I've ever seen. And I'm an old hand.

[–]SomeDrunkCommienothing in life is certain but death, taxes, and dank memes 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why are people so obsessed with the Library of Alexandria, anyhow?

[–]dannaz423PhD in Crusader Kings II 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It was pretty impressive, and it would've had some great scientific and historical records. I think a lot of people attribute the destruction of the library to the beginning of the "dark ages", when man-kind switched from learning and science to warfare & religion. This is of course nonsensical, but still it would've been awesome to see all the information that was lost there.

[–]TimONeillAtheist Swiss Guardsman 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We could say the same thing about the very similar contents of the Great Library of Pergamon or the Library of Celsus at Ephesus or the Library of Trajan or any number of other ancient libraries, none of which survived into post-Classical times.

While the Alexandrine Library has always been the subject of myths, a lot of the modern obsession with it over any other such ancient liberary seems to stem from Carl Sagan's mostly erroneous depiction of it in his 1980 TV series Cosmos.

[–]laertes78Wer hat uns verraten? Alle höheren Primaten! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't it the analogue of a passed Golden Age, only for "science"?

That's not really new, either, for example some of the Alchemists/Hermetics believed that if only they could recover the lost translation of the hieroglyphs, there would be sooo much "science" to be had.

[–]dutchwonder 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm remembering this one sci-fi story where they discover this ancient alien structure with a massive library. After they eagerly begin translating all the books they discover its basically all philosophical poetry. Except in these case one would likely end up with an obscene amount of governmental documents, good old bitching about the times, and dubious pseudo-science, more so than what became mainstream in the culture of the time.

Which would be quite useful, but understandably for the general population pretty underwhelming given they were expecting ancient lost technological science thousands of years ahead of its time and not discussions about invisible spheres rotating about the earth with holes in them.

[–]TimONeillAtheist Swiss Guardsman 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I note in my History for Atheists article on the subject, the Great Library was mostly renowned for its study of poetry, especially the textual analysis of the works of Homer. So anyone who thinks it was some great repository of science and hothouse for technological innovation would be very disappointed if their time machine landed there. Unless they were also big fans of the Illiad and the odes of Pindar.

[–]dannaz423PhD in Crusader Kings II 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dammit Julius think of the children!

[–]zouhair 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lurker here. I remember back in the day in med school a professor who gave us some courses in the history of medicine, he used to say that the Library of Alexandria was destroyed by Umar Ibn Al Khattab. So should I have face-palmed? Well I told him that the library didn't exist when Islam came by but it didn't matter to him or was there another library at Umar's time?

[–]Y3808Aesthetical Marxist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I made it 1.7 seconds into the first video before closing the tab due to nerd-voice.

I skipped the rest.

[–]ComradeSomoPearl Harbor Truther 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking Victor, at it again with his bullshit.

[–]seksMasine 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hail Ceaser.

[–]odisseius 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also how can they have Turkish text ? I believe even the Göktürks were not writing at the time...

[–]matts2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry, I'll return the books. I know they are overdue, but I don't think it is a crime.