Honestly being able to use my gender identity as a gotcha in discussions with toxic progressives is so liberating
I know it’s not in good faith and they couldn’t’ve known but it’s wonderful to go from being told in great detail how worthless I am to seeing them physically taste copper
For those of you who didn’t believe me when I said transhumanists are oddly obsessed over immortality to the point of being hostile to anyone that isn’t immediately 100% anti-death…
You’re oddly obsessed with wanting seven billion people to die because you like the narrative or whatever. For comparison: Hitler wanted about 100 million people to die.
That is creepy and abhorrent. You need to justify your beliefs in full.
Also you have the reading comprehension of an anarcho-primmie.I’m very sorry, this went to the wrong reblog. But also, that’s not at all my argument. I don’t desire anyone’s death, I just don’t think death as a concept does not need to be automatically considered as evil.
Me, bleeding to death after being hit by a car: please call the ER.
You: No. No, of course not.
Me: why?
You: Humanity does not deal with ENDINGS well, you know? This is the conclusion of your character arc.
Death is absolutely horrifyingly evil, there would be no way to justify it to a culture that doesn’t know death and never have, and you justify it with what? Population concerns? Even “but what about my violent revolution where I’m gonna kill the rich” like shitty communists? No. Some art crit bullshit is why my mother must die. And you, a quivering slime of biomass, dare condescend to people because they disagree that their mother needs to die.
You have not justified your beliefs in full. Justify your beliefs in full.
Considering I’ve actually called ambulances on people in danger multiple times this is an absolutely ridiculous, hyperbolic, senseless reading of anything I have said.
I’m not going to go further into justifying my beliefs to someone who will willfully misread and outright ignore anything I’m saying.
Oh my god OP, we literally have myths which have stories about cultures which never knew death who, when death came to them, it was in the form of a divine punishment! Christianity has this, Ancient Greek myth has this! Cultures are fucking great at justifying inexplicable things, that’s what about 80% of all mythologies are! Trying to explain why the world is at is! Persephone is the story of winter, Echo is the story of how echoes came to be, my gods, Ancient Egyptians had Ra as a story to explain why the sun rises and sets, and another story to explain why the sky is so distant from the earth! And in other faiths, death is so we can live again and again, improving our souls, our very being, over time until we learn all we can and pass on to enlightenment and nirvana.
So seriously? People are great at justifying things.
And if you wanna know why I think things should die? Yeah population concerns I suppose is a valid argument but what about this: stagnation. If everyone lives forever we’re going to stagnate. We currently do not have the resources to deal with eternal life and a still growing population and with an immortal older demographic from the start, we’re going to stagnate. Maybe I think like this because I’m an archaeologist but so far as I’m concerned death is a necessity of life. What is life if there is no death? What is existence if there is no end? And, if we manage to live forever, live to the end of time, what happens when the world finally implodes, when the black holes expand and entropy takes over? We die, all the same. It is the natural cycle of things. So, to me - listen to that specification here, to me - death is natural and inevitable. Its not evil - it’s not aware enough to do it out of malice, death simply is, a consequence of nature and evolution and entropy - and so your characterisation here is off, massively.
And, further, those who are ok with death do not necessarily wish to impose this on you. You think death is awful and want to try to avoid it forever? Great go ahead. I think you’re completely bonkers and are going to die eventually because all things do, but if you wish to believe that and work towards that, go for it. Just don’t try to tell me that I’m not allowed to want to accept death. You can think me bonkers for this, but I’m allowed to believe that death is inevitable and that, when it comes, that’s ok and a part of life - the very end of life, always. I don’t want to die right now - I have a lot of things I’d like to do and friends I’d like to see - but I know death is going to happen eventually and I’ve accepted that. Further: what about people who do want to die, for some reason or other. Not necessarily those who are suicidal but those who find their life unbearable in some fashion and are sick of it, those who are content they’ve lived long enough and would like to die while they still remember who they are before Alzheimers sets in (my parents are in this latter category which my siblings were all reminded of since our Nan started showing the symptoms. Dad is adamant he wants to remember who he is when he dies).
While the world is like this, full of pain and suffering, surely the first step should be to try to ease those things so people might want to live longer than simply insisting that obviously everyone should wish to live longer regardless; that would be dictating to others what they should do and think and is a horrible violation of their personal agency.
So: you want to hate death? Sure whatever, go for it. I want to believe death is a natural part of life and will accept it when it eventually, inevitably comes? Dude, I’m allowed to. And so is @notyourexrotic.
People are allowed to have differences in opinions. And, now I’ve justified this way of thinking to you will you please grow up, stop strawman-ning everything and stop using baby-first-read-hpmor-and-doesn’t-think-other-people-should-be-allowed-to-think logic. It’s honestly quite grating and incredibly insulting.
everything they said, pretty much.
Pretty sure I’m going to regret getting involved, but as someone who is actually part of the death acceptance community...
everything they said, pretty much.
Oh my god OP, we literally have myths which have stories about cultures which never knew death who, when death came to...
As soon as people stop wanting things that are worse than the holocaust, sure.