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HousingRichmond man who fought Mandarin-only strata council meetings moves away (vancouversun.com)

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[–]PerdinModerator Hamster[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (0子コメント)

Hello /r/Vancouver,

I'm disappointed in how some of our users are acting in these types of threads. I expect our users to have decent etiquette when dealing with hot/racially charged issues such as this. Because people are acting like children, I'm locking the thread and sending the repeat offenders to timeout.

Act like a child, get treated like one.

[–]cspec 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (14子コメント)

This is sad this forced a guy to move out of his home.

[–]ap_f22 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (21子コメント)

how is it legal to hold strata meetings in a foreign language? I don't understand

[–]twat69 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparently there's no law that says you have to use a particular language. Although the laws and the courts are all in English. So at some point English must be required.

[–]lazydna[🍰] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

alright folks, you heard it here first. it is legal because there is no official language in BC. yes, you heard that right, THERE IS NO OFFICIAL LANGUAGE IN BRITISH COLUMBIA.

official languages act only applies to the federal government.

here is also something you won't like discrimination based on an acquired skill like language is not in violation of the Canadian Human Rights Act

now, you won't like it because you expect immigrants to integrate, yada yada yada, nothing illegal has happened and the owners of the private strata which was democratically elected, has exclusive rights in this regard.

so while you guys won't like it, it is within the power of a private corporation to conduct in a manner however they see fit. you do not get to tell how a private corporation conducts their private business unless it violates the law.

[–]ThereAreThingsNorth Burnaby 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it is legal because there is no official language in BC.

It's true. What these people are doing might be shitty but it's not illegal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policies_of_Canada's_provinces_and_territories

[–]slsamg65 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

now, you won't like it because you expect immigrants to integrate, yada yada yada

What an absolutely poor attitude! Here you have people immigrating to this country, not wanting to integrate culturally or economically, and you call it "yada yada".

This is a full blown case of the issues with our immigration system.

[–]dafones 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because it's a private residence and not the government?

[–]Dhghomon 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (17子コメント)

So just to confirm because of this line:

She said members supported using a translator when non-Mandarin speakers were present at meetings, but opposed using one when all in attendance spoke Mandarin.

Was he:

1) seeking an interpreter to be present for all meetings even when only Mandarin speakers were present, and they provided an interpreter when English speakers were there but not otherwise,

2) seeking an interpreter when he was present and they didn't provide one or wouldn't speak English to him even though he was present, or

3) something else?

[–]Secrets7 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (16子コメント)

This guy was voted off council and then insisted on sitting in as an observer on the council meetings. The council members were all Chinese, half didn't speak english and he wanted them to conduct all meetings in English, even when he was not present. The AGM was conducted in English with residents translating for Chinese Residents. He wanted them to hire a translation services company instead.

He then spent $40,000 suing on a Human Rights ticket and now after moving away he vows to continue the case.

He is looking for a compensation settlement, simple as that and he admitted it in court

Kargut had sought the council’s resignation in addition to damages, for suffering through what he calls a stressful year of infighting between council and its residents.

[–]slsamg65 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (15子コメント)

The council members were all Chinese, half didn't speak english

There you go with the problem of immigration/integration. What are they doing here if they cannot speak English? Thanks for clearing highlighting this point.

[–]snoo-snoo-train 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The real problem is that this guy has ridiculous standards that only sought to waste the strata's money.

[–]burito23 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Frak. I needed to pass an IELTS exam before moving here.

[–]Edjes 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If I lived in that strata, I'd make it my mission to go to every meeting and force them to hire a translator. Suck that Mary Zhang.

[–]Secrets7 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, that's what he did after losing his place on council. Just out of spite.

[–]dota90 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This article is totally biased. 80% of it has him ranting about his beef with his neighbors. Why didn't they interview his MLA? Why didn't they interview even one other tenant who lives in the building? Why didn't they bother to find out what happened with the lawsuit? Why didn't they talk with any lawyers?

[–]SoakerHose 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There has been a lot of coverage of this case. If you want more background info, you have the power to find it!

[–]Agamemnon323 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why didn't they do any actual journalism? That's not their goal. They just want that ad money.

[–]alwayzdizzy 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We elect cowards to represent us at every level of government. This is some bullshit.

[–]Yaspan 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It is the current status quo, until there is specific rules made that force strata meetings to be held in one of our official languages majority rules and that is at least 4 out of 7 possible counsel members in most stratas, not counting the presidents possible two votes and stratas with a lower amount of units

[–]untitled014 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not defending the situation but I'm talking in hypothetical. How will holding meetings in French help this situation?

Students in BC take French classes up to grade 12 but completely useless for day to day conversation. Students who went to French-immersion school is far and few in between (compared to populace). I'd like to see some statistics to prove me wrong that there are fewer French-speaking residents than Chinese speaking residents.

This sub always hide behind the official language point, but face it what this sub really want is English. French only signs, French only menus, French only-whatever is going to be just as disruptive as Chinese-only signs and such.

[–]kisielk✞ East Van ✞ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless things have changed it's only mandatory to take French till 8th grade.

[–]hurpington 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds about right. I think more will follow suit in the coming years tbh

[–]RainbowNowOpen_🌳__🏍__🚲🏢🌳_ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

" a resolution that would have ensured every meeting would have an accredited interpreter was voted down by strata members. "

Jesus. What would that have cost the strata, for a handful of meetings per year? No laws broken, totally within those co-owners' rights to be jerks like that. But WOW.

[–]snoo-snoo-train 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why would you need an interpreter when no non-mandarin speaker is in place. It seems honestly like the strata council was willing to work with this guy... but he has a hardon for ensuring that this private entity conducted business in a way that suits his fancy even when it benefited no one.

[–]kisielk✞ East Van ✞ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But if nobody at the meeting needs the interpreter then what's the point of having one at every meeting? Presumably the minutes are available in english for the owners to read afterwards.

[–]CallmeishmaelSancho 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

He made a good choice. Why hang around where you aren't wanted.

[–]SoakerHose 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And what do we do when there is nowhere left to move to?

[–]d0uble0hwtf is this crap? 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Start our own country, with blackjack and hookers.

[–]bak-gwai 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have to feel sorry for the Cantonese speakers in Vancouver. They were here first and now they're a dying breed. First nations guy shakes his head in disbelieve. "Did he just say that?"

[–]canuckssingh 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most strata councils are PITA. Most of them consist of older people who have nothing else to do.

[–]witipedia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We should have listened to John A MacDonald.

edit: Strata first. Province second.

[–]ynosleepscreams 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its shit like this as to why I see absolutely no value in a condo at all. NO land means you really own some air space in a building you can't do anything with, all while some committee tells you what to do. And yes, you are indeed in the "real estate" market by owning one, and it is indeed a lucrative market.

But when you take all 35 million Canadians, divide by our 2.5 Billion acres of land, we could own just over 70 acres EACH! That's like owning more than HALF of Queen Elisabeth park; EACH! But you want me to fight for 550sq feet?

Condos just feel like a mere cardboard cutout of what owning a place should be. As a home and land owner (not in BC) once you go grass, you never go back when it comes to a mortgage.