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Israel/PalestineIsrael seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government (independent.co.uk)

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[–]aatiik 1637 ポイント1638 ポイント  (50子コメント)

man...the palestinian solar panel field must look exactly like this comment section now....everything removed...

[–]branched_69 [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Reddit is a bag of dicks.

[–]Deus_ [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Go suck a reddit!

[–]bryntheskits [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Do I suck them one after the other? Or is just sucking on the side of the bag okay? Do they all have to finish?

[–]RabSimpson [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What I want to know is are they sticking up like baguettes, or are they all smooshing together like chicken parts?

[–]TadeusPadron [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

MIDDLE-OUT COMPRESSION

[–]WitchyWristWatch [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Just try not to suck any reddit on your way to the parking lot!

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    [–]why_th0_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    So this is why 90% of news is pro israel.....

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      [–]BZZZ87 497 ポイント498 ポイント  (84子コメント)

      Absolutely nobody will do anything about this. Unfortunately.

      [–]BZZZ87 392 ポイント393 ポイント  (79子コメント)

      I'm being downvoted, this was a humanitarian project...

      Can you imagine the outrage if it were the other way around? Or if it was some other country in the middle east?

      [–]fifibuci 172 ポイント173 ポイント  (43子コメント)

      You're being downvoted because Israel's supporters know that Israel exists and thrives ultimately on two things: their military strength for the small stuff and the support of American diplomacy (its only supporter) and trade protection. You're comment is a threat to that. It's also a threat to the twisted worldview that they've built for themselves.

      [–]frosthowler 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (28子コメント)

      Huh? Outrage? You mean this incident which isn't even newsworthy anywhere in Europe? Charity builds something without permits. Gets confiscated because they didn't have permits. End of story.

      Only in the context of Israel would this get so many upvotes.

      [–]zippodeedude [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Why do they need permits from a foreign power to build solar panels in their own land?

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        [–]Ramy_ [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        Can you imagine the outrage if it were the other way around? Or if it was some other country in the middle east?

        Other countries in the mid East kill people for being gay or for leaving the faith of Islam and no one gets outraged at all so I doubt this is what would set them off.

        Source: am originally from another country in the Mid East.

        [–]ThisLookInfectedToYa [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Israel isn't exactly welcoming of homosexuals either. They don't kill them, except for people like that Orthodox jew that killed a girl at Pride and then went to prison, got out and tried to kill someone at Pride again.

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              [–]FloridaLawns 842 ポイント843 ポイント  (262子コメント)

              It is in the national security interest of Israel to keep Palestinians dependent on them in every way possible.

              [–]throwawayswede123 [スコア非表示]  (59子コメント)

              true but that doesn't mean they aren't monsters

              [–]Syd_G [スコア非表示]  (30子コメント)

              Never be surprised that the chaos you cause breeds extremism.

              [–]maddkid53 [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

              USA: we need to occupy this land to bring stability

              Also USA: oh no, ISIS has happened

              (This is a gross over simplification, but true)

              [–]winstonsmithwatson [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Also USA: oh wait we planned this ourselves

              [–]zilti [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              A few years before that:

              USA: let's attack and then destabilize the region because it doesn't do what we want, and fund these dubious groups! What could go wrong?

              Also USA: oh no, Al Qaida has happened

              [–]dorkmax [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

              ISIS isn't trying to destroy Western influence as much as they're just trying to loot, rape and kill rival sects.

              [–]Probably_Important [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

              ISIS are charlatans, but a big part of their recruitment-draw is that they pretend they're in a righteous fight against western influence. Under radically different circumstances, I could definitely see how it would be inspiring to a middle easterner when they declared the death of Sykes–Picot, for example.

              [–]Shoutcake [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Also the women. Another of the draws is getting to have slave women catering to their every need. My cousin said they have guys in schools coming in and asking if anyone ever wanted a girl to do anything to while spreading the true religion.

              [–]Dwight_kills_her_cat [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

              ISIS are charlatans, but a big part of their recruitment-draw is that they pretend they're in a righteous fight against western influence.

              ISIS are NOT charlatans. They explicitly state their goals and follow through with them. They genuinely believe in a literal interpretation of the Qur'an and it's extensions (Hadith etc..).

              Maybe I am missing the point you are trying to make?

              [–]Probably_Important [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              I guess that depends on the ISIS member in question, but their higher ups are well-known to engage in all kinds of Haram activity. Like, drugs, most notably.

              [–]ThisLookInfectedToYa [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

              So they're just following western influence from books written about 200 years ago.

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                [–]I_RAPE_BANDWIDTH [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                And yet everyone is still surprised when it happens.

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                  [–]eterneraki [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

                  Wouldn't you turn into one eventually under those conditions?

                  [–]throwawayswede123 [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

                  it's a good question. I hope I would have left, but I don' tknow.

                  EDIT: if I were an israeli jew that is

                  [–]jajablah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Leave to go where? With what money and resources? Bringing your entire extended family who have lived in this place for hundreds of years?

                  [–]topicmodelsvb [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

                  These panels were in the West Bank, but if you're in Gaza you can't just leave, you have to smuggle yourself out, it's basically an open air prison.

                  [–]MrHorseHead [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Can't have panels on the west bank, need room for settlements.

                  [–]Kaghuros [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                  but if you're in Gaza you can't just leave, you have to smuggle yourself out, it's basically an open air prison.

                  Even on the Egyptian side, where Israel doesn't have control?

                  [–]acetyler [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                  Egypt also embargoes the Gaza strip.

                  [–]Gentlescholar_AMA [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Yes, because AIPAC lobbies the US government to bribe Egypt with the second highest amount of foreign aid (after Israel) to ensure Egypts Palestine policy is identical to Israels.

                  [–]DownAndOut2010 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  How do you get to the Egyptian side? The borders are closed, and didn't the Egyptians shut down the tunnels after the Arab Spring?

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                    [–]geekon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Good luck leaving when every other government will treat you like garbage due to your birthplace! Talk about an unlucky hand to be dealt.

                    [–]thelastvortigaunt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    haha why don't those palestinians just leave and go somewhere else

                    [–]jacxy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                    I'd make moonshine, not bombs...

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                        [–]pando93 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        Exactly the opposite.

                        The quicker the two sides can disconnect, the faster peace will come.

                        Unfortunately, in the current circumstances it's really impossible.

                        [–]RecursiveHack 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                        It is in the national security interest of Israel to keep Palestinians dependent on them in every way possible.

                        Translation : let's make an apartheid state so we make sure Noone is against us

                        [–]Krashnachen [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                        "It is in the national security interest of the US to keep blacks and women dependent on white men in every way possible"

                        "It is in the national security interest of China to keep Tibetans and Mongolians dependent on them in every way possible"

                        "It is in the national security interest of South Africa to keep non-whites dependent on white men in every way possible"

                        [–]mattrbchi 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (174子コメント)

                        How do you figure?

                        [–]FloridaLawns 122 ポイント123 ポイント  (160子コメント)

                        They are two very different groups of people with entirely different cultures, values, and religions. They have also been in conflict with each other for a very long time. There is currently no peace between the two, but violence between the two is at an all time low.

                        They are slowly in the process of learning to live together. In this game they are playing Israel currently holds all the cards. Recent history shows us that whenever Palestine holds any cards or has any power they tend to attack.

                        There is a fine line between peace and war in that area.

                        [–]MaximumHeresy 231 ポイント232 ポイント  (69子コメント)

                        The Israeli government halted all peace negotiations years ago.

                        [–]Firecracker048 [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

                        Hard to negotiation when only one party wants to negotiate

                        [–]Bdcoll [スコア非表示]  (46子コメント)

                        Given the Israelis were so committed to peace they gave up the Gaza Strip in a show of good faith and they were subsequently attacked from the West Bank, you can hardly blame them for not giving it much chance anymore...

                        Edit: Gaza Strip not West Bank -_-

                        [–]zealen [スコア非表示]  (33子コメント)

                        gave up the West Bank in a show of good faith

                        Wow, Israel is so nice. Gave Palestinians land they already lived on, good guy Israel.

                        [–]HerboIogist [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

                        Don't bother.

                        [–]thatvoicewasreal [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                        Right. Because it's standard for everyone else to withdraw from occupied territory from which they are getting attacked during a war. Which country do you live in that is under attack by people bent on taking it from you? Hypocritia?

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                          [–]Tragic-Story [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                          Gaza not the West Bank.

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                              [–]jajablah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Bullshit! History shows that whenever Palestine has any cards Israel takes them.

                              [–]WhoresAndWhiskey [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              If the Palestinians were demilitarized and recognize Israel's right to exist, they would get along fine. Israelis marry Palestinians all the time. They work together. Palestinians want the same thing as anyone. A place to live and work and raise a family in safety.

                              It's the militants supported by Iran that are causing the violence. Regular Palestinians are afraid of them more than Israel.

                              [–]Biosterous [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                              Is it any better though? When Palestine holds cards maybe they do attack like you say. However when Israel holds all the cards Palestinians live in poverty, are subject to some of the worst poverty imaginable, and also die regularly. Israel holds all the cards not to stop death, but rather to maximize the death on the other side. Is it really any better? Is it really "peace"?

                              [–]TitoAndronico [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Maximize death? What media do you consume? Gaza's population has practically quintupled during the 50 years since it came under occupation (which it has not been for 12 years).

                              The Palestinians have lived a whole lot safer than their neighbors over that time period. Long bloody civil war in Syria. Long bloody sectarian war in Iraq. Long bloody civil war in Lebanon. Long bloody Iraq-Iran War. Sudan-Darfur. Libya. Algerian Civil War. Yemen. 400,000 have died in the Syrian Civil War since 2011. 25,000 in the Israel-Palestine conflict since 1967.

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                                [–]cp5184 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                Well, for instance, israel basically controls all phone and internet communication in the west bank and gaza, monitoring all of it. Also things like airports, fishing, so on.

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                                    [–]greenburg 402 ポイント403 ポイント  (205子コメント)

                                    "Critics points out that building permissions for new Palestinian homes and infrastructure are almost impossible to obtain."

                                    I'm not sure what made the Dutch think that building projects for Palestinians in an Israeli occupied area was a good idea in the first place.

                                    [–]missileguidedsheikh [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                    Cogat said in a statement that the village had “other electricity sources” other than the “illegal electricity room”. Haaretz said that before the solar panel system was installed, the 150 residents relied on a couple of “old and noisy” diesel generators for three hours of power a day.

                                    3 hours / day of electricity. This was a project to provide those people with reliable electricity. Where else could they build???

                                    [–]Shitposted_666 250 ポイント251 ポイント  (57子コメント)

                                    Last I checked, building permits in most of Palestine are given out by PA, not Israel.

                                    Ninja edit: In areas A and B, PA gives out building permit (2.5 million Palestinians live there). Area C is exclusively under Israel government control. About 150k Palestinians and about 300k Israeli settlers are living there.

                                    [–]Sharpopotamus [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                    If the Palestinian Authority is responsible for permitting, what's the Israeli military doing enforcing them?

                                    [–]uber1337h4xx0r [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                    Congrats, you just understood Israeli-Palestinian issues.

                                    [–]julian509 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                    The entire situation there is confusing, trying to understand it is hard and leads to more headaches than answers.

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                                      [–]greenburg 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (49子コメント)

                                      Hmm so does that make the Dutch dicks for building with out a permit or the isrealis for denying it?

                                      [–]27Rench27 130 ポイント131 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                      For the record the Dutch never even asked because, I assume, they thought it would be denied.

                                      [–]sintos-compa 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                      seems like an odd way of conducting international business relations.

                                      [–]pdubl 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                      It doesn't completely apply here, but the old adage "It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission." comes to mind.

                                      [–]sintos-compa 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      ah but the corollary "but it's more expensive"

                                      [–]scotchirish [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                      Not when it comes to governments and permits. Working in construction, they have absolutely no qualms about telling you to tear shit down and do it their way.

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                                        [–]classicalySarcastic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                        I mean, they've been here before.

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                                                [–]something45723 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                They probably thought that they were doing a good thing in the world and making it a better place by giving poor people a means to generate their own electricity and improve their living situation without giving them anything that anybody could construe as possible weaponry.

                                                Perhaps the Dutch did not know the full details of the situation.

                                                [–]Quickzand [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                The dutch didn't know the full details? Come on man, this is a country who does huge development projects like this, they know how these projects work.

                                                I say it is just the Israeli's trying to fuck over the palestinians, not like that has EVER happened before...

                                                [–]elliptic_hyperboloid [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                Exactly, the Dutch knew the only way to do this was without asking permission. At least this way there was a chance it would go un molested, and they could improve the lives of some people. It is too bad that wont happen now.

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                                                    [–]antiquegeek [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                    Hmm maybe it was the Israeli's committing human rights abuses and creating the need for the building projects in the first fucking place? How fucking naive can you be? This is like saying "How dare anyone try to help the East Germans? Of course the Soviet Union will take offense!" Please unstick your head out of your own asshole.

                                                    [–]2crudedudes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                    I'm not sure what made the Dutch think that building projects for Palestinians in an Israeli occupied area was a good idea in the first place.

                                                    I'm not sure why that matters. People need help, humanitarian people offer it.

                                                    [–]Pelkhurst 155 ポイント156 ポイント  (92子コメント)

                                                    You know what's an even worse idea? Continuing an occupation for 50 years.

                                                    [–]Sithsaber [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                    Basic human rights?

                                                    [–]Biosterous [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                    Maybe the Dutch hard about how Palestinians are only given 3h of power a day and they thought that was utterly inhumane and took actions to extend the amount of power they get. Just a thought.

                                                    [–]Iteration-Seventeen 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                                    they probably assumed Israel was a legitimate government and not a bunch of thugs. Guess Israel just showed them.

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                                                      [–]Woodrow1701 [スコア非表示]  (74子コメント)

                                                      Let's agree on this even if we agree on nothing else. Whichever "side" you may be for, Israel does not own that land nor have a legal claim to it. And nobody will (not "can") do anything about the Israeli annexing. A bit like Germany with the Sudetenland, or Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc. I believe the state of Israel has a right to exist but their expansionist imperialism is a dark side to their government's collective mindset.

                                                      [–]DerJun [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                                      Who decides who has any legal claim to any land. You could argue that people occupying any territory have no legal claim to that land, but in turn that would mean most if not every single country has no legal basis for existing as they are all occupying land that was at one point someone elses.

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                                                        [–]4YYLM40 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

                                                        Classic Israel.

                                                        [–]Reacher_Said_Nothing [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                        Oh hey it's been a while since Israel was in the news for doing something that made the world hate them. Welcome back, Israel!

                                                        [–]tuna_HP 230 ポイント231 ポイント  (54子コメント)

                                                        Let me explain it for the noobs:

                                                        Thing to understand #1: The Palestinians and Israelis have a very contentious and distrustful, if usually civil, relationship. They are loathe to do anything that helps the other without getting something in return.

                                                        Thing to understand #2: The place that these solar panels were installed is in Area C. Israeli civil control over Area C is a negotiated outcome that the Palestinians agreed to. The panels were installed without Israeli construction permits that are needed.

                                                        Thing to understand #3: Israel is very judicious about granting construction permits because they understand that they are extremely valuable, and thus good leverage. "Hey Palestinian businessman, want a construction permit? Ok then tell me what your cousin the terrorist is up to", or "Hey government of Palestine want us to grant some construction permits, OK then stop paying bonuses to terrorists, or hey, just agree to our terms to end this whole conflict and don't bother dealing with us any more at all, grant your own construction permits". Israel is loathe to give away something so valuable for free.

                                                        Thing to understand #4: The Palestinians do the same thing, with regards to cracking down on terrorists, providing intelligence, their relationship with Hamas, their initiatives with other third party countries and the UN, etc. "Hey Israel, want to know the mastermind behind last week's terror attack? Grant us some construction permits" or "Hey Israel, don't want us to bring new initiatives to the UN? Grant us some construction permits."

                                                        [–]cp5184 242 ポイント243 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                        Thing to understand #2: The place that these solar panels were installed is in Area C. Israeli civil control over Area C is a negotiated outcome that the Palestinians agreed to.

                                                        If israel had abided by that agreement the entire west bank including Area C would be under palestinian control 17 years ago.

                                                        In 2014, the Civil Administration granted just one Palestinian building permit, according to Israeli planning NGO Bimkom.

                                                        In the same period, Israel carried 493 demolitions, displacing 969 people, UN figures show.

                                                        http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.690403

                                                        The 2004 U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices[215] notes that: "Israeli-Arab advocacy organizations have challenged the Government's policy of demolishing illegal buildings in the Arab sector, and claimed that the Government was more restrictive in issuing building permits in Arab communities than in Jewish communities, thereby not accommodating natural growth."

                                                        http://www.btselem.org/jerusalem/discriminating_policy

                                                        http://www.timesofisrael.com/un-israel-systematically-emptying-area-c-of-palestinians/

                                                        https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/israel/palestine

                                                        https://www.yahoo.com/news/palestinian-building-permits-political-admits-israel-001629371.html

                                                        All building in Area C, whether by Palestinians or Jewish settlers, comes under the jurisdiction of the Israeli Civil Administration which has full control over all zoning and planning issues.

                                                        In practice, almost all Palestinian applications for a building permit are rejected, with the Civil Administration granting only a handful of permits.

                                                        [–]Contradiction11 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                        I want everyone to be happy, but this is one of those situations where no matter what you do, half of people will be angry with you for some reason. I think anyone who passionately takes sides in this issue is suspect, since being angry over any outcome except exactly what you want, in this case for millions of people to disappear, is pretty shitty.

                                                        [–]RufusTheFirefly 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                        If israel had abided by that agreement the entire west bank including Area C would be under palestinian control 17 years ago.

                                                        No, borders were meant to be negotiated. And that was contingent on the Palestinians ceasing violent activity against Israelis. Tell me, do you think that condition was fulfilled?

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                                                          [–]Fake_William_Shatner 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                          Can the Palestinians bulldoze a property if it's in the zone they control?

                                                          [–]worldofsmut 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                          Yes and they do it all the time.

                                                          It seldom makes the news though as it's considered a routine civil matter unlike when Israel does exactly the same thing.

                                                          That's why you'll find it harder to Google such articles amidst thousands of reports of Israeli building demolition.

                                                          This article points out the double standard. Hamas fires up the bulldozers, crickets...

                                                          Illegal buildings and renovations everywhere on Earth are subject to demolition orders.

                                                          Yet if an Arab unlawfully erected an illegal building in the middle of a Jerusalem shopping centre carpark and it was demolished by the local authorities articles will follow describing how he was left homeless...

                                                          [–]winalltodie [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

                                                          The difference is one country is being occupied, the other is the occupier.

                                                          [–]BedWedOrBehead [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                          I find this very hard to believe. How many news organizations are there in Israel with international reach? Why wouldn't they cover it?

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                                                              [–]Mortyfw 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                              Not really, Palestinians go to Israeli hospitals all the time. For cancer treatments especially they allow the people into Israels hospital system without really asking for anything in return. Israel has Arabs, Easter and Western Europeans and Africans who are Jews,Christians and Muslims. They don't really dislike Palestinians.

                                                              And saying that Israel saying stop funding terrorists is something like "giving away stuff for free" is really just silly.

                                                              I don't think the Mossad need much help in figuring out who the terrorists are.

                                                              [–]geraint_jones_nz [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                              Having spent some time in Tel Aviv the thing that shocked me the most were the number of non Jews going about their business. We have all been led to believe that the place is a horror story for non Jews. What I found was a very open and inviting culture. I loved the place and would go back if the opportunity arose.

                                                              [–]ISlicedI [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                              I have seen some reports of treatment of minorities in Israel, it is pretty shocking.

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                                                                [–]badcommenthistory 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                There is nothing Israel could do to Palestine that would cause it to lose the respect of its allies, thats really the only thing you have to understand. Israeli supporters will never condemn Israeli aggression against Palestine.

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                                                                  [–]sharamall [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

                                                                  "israel are our allies so everything they do is correct"

                                                                  [–]buddha_abusa 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                  More than 300 structures in the occupied West Bank demolished by the Israeli authorities in 2016 were at least in part funded by the EU or international NGOs, an Israeli military official said earlier this year.

                                                                  So that's what happens to all our aid. It gets destroyed by Israel. Good to know.

                                                                  [–]teleri_mm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                  You know. Sometimes I think the Israelis are trying to get everyone to hate their citizens. It's like they have formed some secret cabal with the sole intent to make everyone dislike one single race of people.

                                                                  /sigh

                                                                  [–]TheMiniatureMan [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                  All the top comments deleted. I'm sure they were glowingly positive of Israel

                                                                  [–]tinyp [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                  It's Israel, what do you expect? Well apart from a barrage of 'jew-hater' comments whenever you criticise the Israeli government.

                                                                  [–]DrBoomkin 123 ポイント124 ポイント  (63子コメント)

                                                                  European governments have the option of building whatever they want in areas A and B, which are under Palestinian administration. Instead, those governments choose to build in area C, which is under Israeli administration, knowing that they require a permit from Israel to build there.

                                                                  They never get a permit but build anyway, knowing perfectly well that Israel will remove those constructions.

                                                                  The objective here is not to help the Palestinians with solar panels, since if that's what they wanted they could have built them a few miles from that location in areas A or B. The objective is simply provocation. They want to force an Israeli reaction for PR purposes.

                                                                  [–]RudegarWithFunnyHat 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (38子コメント)

                                                                  think the problem is that what is Israel administration expands, most people in the world what Israel to remove their international illegal settlements, and respect the borders from 1967.

                                                                  [–]cp5184 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                  They didn't get a permit because israel discriminates when granting permits making it almost impossible to get a permit.

                                                                  Some high ground, particularly coming from israel.

                                                                  In 2014, the Civil Administration granted just one Palestinian building permit, according to Israeli planning NGO Bimkom.

                                                                  In the same period, Israel carried 493 demolitions, displacing 969 people, UN figures show.

                                                                  http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.690403

                                                                  The 2004 U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices[215] notes that: "Israeli-Arab advocacy organizations have challenged the Government's policy of demolishing illegal buildings in the Arab sector, and claimed that the Government was more restrictive in issuing building permits in Arab communities than in Jewish communities, thereby not accommodating natural growth."

                                                                  http://www.btselem.org/jerusalem/discriminating_policy

                                                                  http://www.timesofisrael.com/un-israel-systematically-emptying-area-c-of-palestinians/

                                                                  https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/israel/palestine

                                                                  https://www.yahoo.com/news/palestinian-building-permits-political-admits-israel-001629371.html

                                                                  All building in Area C, whether by Palestinians or Jewish settlers, comes under the jurisdiction of the Israeli Civil Administration which has full control over all zoning and planning issues.

                                                                  In practice, almost all Palestinian applications for a building permit are rejected, with the Civil Administration granting only a handful of permits.

                                                                  [–]Radeh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                  I don't think Israel has the moral high ground when it comes to illegal settlements...quite the opposite.

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                                                                    [–]Lugalzagesi712 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Because sometimes you feel like being a dick for the hell of it

                                                                    [–]Murdock07 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (52子コメント)

                                                                    Regardless of permits, Israel is committing human rights violations with collective punishment, starvation, and depriving the Palestinian people of basic services like water and power.

                                                                    Sure the whole thing is contentious- but Israel clearly has more power and they use it to bully the shit out of a country that they continue to steal from. Just compare the signed borders vs where the occupation wall is now, it creeps closer and closer every year

                                                                    [–]Winter-Coffin [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                    this is why we cant have nice things

                                                                    [–]ps3o-k [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                    it only took an independent watchdog for this to surface... yea the media is free alright.

                                                                    [–]missileguidedsheikh 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                    Why were so many comments deleted? Now its just 2 pro-Israeli shills at the top. Shameful

                                                                    [–]dorkmax [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                    At what point is it considered conquest?

                                                                    [–]dkyguy1995 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                    Israel noooo.... See it's stuff like this that makes this situation so fucking complicated. When both sides of a conflict are douchebags it makes it hard to have Goodwill towards them. This is a bad move by them because both Palestine and Denmark won't take kindly to this. Not to mention this won't help America's relationships with either nation being a huge supporter of Israel and with a monkey at the helm

                                                                    [–]TiredPaedo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                    It's not complicated at all.

                                                                    Israel became the very thing its citizens fled.

                                                                    [–]gpetes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Well that's rude.

                                                                    [–]Caz_Hoe_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                    That is literally super villain stuff.

                                                                    [–]Westchi84 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Free Palestine

                                                                    [–]scoobybejesus [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                    Is "seizes" the most accurate word?

                                                                    [–]honestlynotthatfunny [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                    As a Dutch person it's sad to see that Israel once again takes from Palestinians, not weapons but solar panels that they need for power sometimes this world really sucks

                                                                    [–]renaultvolvo 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (91子コメント)

                                                                    The panels were not built with proper permits and permissions, the authorities said

                                                                    [–]fifibuci 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (85子コメント)

                                                                    building permissions for new Palestinian homes and infrastructure [from the occupying forces] are almost impossible to obtain.

                                                                    Of particular note is that Jubbet al-Dhib is very close to Israeli outpost villages – settlements illegal under both Israeli and international law – which enjoy a full connection to the main power grid.

                                                                    Why do you want to spread FUD and bury this? Seriously why do you hate them so much?

                                                                    [–]DrBoomkin 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (78子コメント)

                                                                    Why should Israel issue permits to Palestinians in area C (which is under Israeli control), if Palestinians refuse to issue any permits to Israel in areas A and B (which are under Palestinian control)?

                                                                    And in fact, the punishment for selling land to an Israeli in Palestine is death...

                                                                    Keep in mind that they could have easily built those panels in area A or B, which are under Palestinian control and require no permits from Israel.

                                                                    [–]Three-6-Latvia 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (36子コメント)

                                                                    Because Area's A and B are not considered Israel, whereas Area C is considered part of the west bank.

                                                                    Also because the transtitoning of Area A (and B) to the Palestinians was supposed to have statrted 15 years ago.

                                                                    [–]DrBoomkin 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                                    So what you are saying is that Israel should issue permits to the Palestinians, but the Palestinians are allowed not to issue any permits to Israelis, and in fact kill any Palestinian who sells his land to an Israeli?

                                                                    As for the transition, it did not happen because the Palestinians violated the Oslo accords. As long as Hamas controls Gaza, for example, the Palestinians cannot claim to abide by the Oslo accords.

                                                                    [–]ForgotMyFathersFace 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                    Ahh, the Oslo accords. Those are the ones that Netanyahu is on video saying that he wouldn't keep and that he never intended to.

                                                                    [–]DrBoomkin 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    No point in him keeping them when the Palestinians never bothered either. Those accords fell apart long before 2009 when he became Prime Minister.

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                                                                      [–]Three-6-Latvia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                      As long as Hamas controls Gaza, for example, the Palestinians cannot claim to abide by the Oslo accords.

                                                                      This occurred 6 years after the transition was supposed to start.

                                                                      What did the Palestinians violate in the Oslo Accords prior to 2000?

                                                                      So what you are saying is that Israel should issue permits to the Palestinians, but the Palestinians are allowed not to issue any permits to Israelis, and in fact kill any Palestinian who sells his land to an Israeli?

                                                                      I'm saying that you're building a convoluted argument by saying this since all of the land is in the Palestinian territories. The PA isn't asking for its citizens to be given building permits in Israel.

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                                                                          [–]zeistsam 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Why would Israelis buy land from Palestinians when they could just get it for free in few years with there ever expanding borderline.

                                                                          [–]Fake_William_Shatner 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          And yet, the Palestinians always lose land.

                                                                          The village mayor told Palestinian outlet Ma’an News that the panels were destroyed, although Comet-ME, the aid organisation which installed the panels, said that between 60 and 90 were taken away intact and other equipment at the site destroyed and left behind by Israeli forces.

                                                                          Your points about Palestinians not issuing permits for areas A and B suggests they have any power in the situation.

                                                                          Panels, or food should be unrelated to the constant squabble over land. But the Israelis probably contend that they are the victim, and then they destroy something of the Palestinians who have no recourse but just take it. It seems contemptuous.

                                                                          Then everyone is surprised by frustration and hostility. "But you could have filed form Z for area A to allow for permits in C." I could imagine people making up cynical rules, and people training for years to be experts in the minutia. Meanwhile, no homes.

                                                                          [–]Menver 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                          Where do all those israelis get their permits for their settlements on Palestinian land? Is there somewhere the Palestinian people can go seek a legal remedy when israelis steal their land? Oh right there isn't.....because they live in concentration camps in an apartheid state controlled by Israel.

                                                                          [–]DrBoomkin 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          "Concentration camps"? lmao... you really have no idea what you are talking about.

                                                                          A Palestinian can take his grievances to a courtroom, just like an Israeli, and Palestinians often do just that.

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                                                                                [–]buddha_abusa 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                You are missing the point. It's seems this action violated both Israeli and international law:

                                                                                Cease work and demolition orders were not served to residents prior to the raid, as is required by planning and construction laws. Orders to cease construction and confiscation orders were given to the residents only during the raid itself. Had orders been given in advance the village and its representatives could have taken administrative or legal action.

                                                                                and

                                                                                Attorney Michael Sfard, Comet-ME's legal adviser, told Haaretz that the confiscation constituted "an explicit violation of international law, which forbids occupying powers to damage humanitarian installations without providing alternatives."

                                                                                http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/.premium-1.798792

                                                                                [–]_Perfectionist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Israel violates international law? That is surprising.

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                                                                                  [–]schnapster31 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Seems like a not great thing to do.

                                                                                  [–]shorevapes 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  Cogat, the Israeli military agency responsible for coordinating Israeli policy in Palestinian areas, said that several work-stop orders were issued before the day of the raid. 

                                                                                  So the Dutch company was aware of the orders yet chose not to follow them.

                                                                                  Furthermore, the location where the panels were placed is part of Israeli territory as per the Oslo Accords signed between them and the Palestinians.

                                                                                  As much as Palestinians and their supporters love to cry out when Israelis build illegal settlements on Palestinian land, they don't seem to mind when they do it themselves on Israeli land.

                                                                                  [–]pink_buddah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Is there anything that Israel doesn't steal from Palestinians???

                                                                                  [–]FAREEQAWAL 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Damn, those Palestinians and their solar powered rockets.

                                                                                  [–]TruBlue 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Israelis need them more for their new settlements.

                                                                                  [–]agoia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Seize the panels, set em up on settlement blocks, checkmate!

                                                                                  [–]zippodeedude [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Stolen at gunpoint would be a more accurate title ...

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