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They absolutely lose their marbles when someone calls the media fake. Because it goes to the very heart of who they are. (i.redd.it)

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[–]shoziku 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (19子コメント)

It's like when I called out my doctor for wanting to extend my kidney stone treatment over 6 weeks. I accused him of trying to soak my insurance company at my physical expense. He called my words "toxic" before I fired him.

[–]NotAnotherDownvote 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Doctors (not all but many), have turned into car mechanics for your body. They try to screw you and upsell you any chance they get. I'd blame the insurance companies but the individual doctors are just as much to blame.

[–]lIIIlznqapxnn1011001 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (14子コメント)

It's damn right though. Dentists do it all the time filling non-cavities and such. Insurance has abstracted out the cost so much that people don't question it and it incentivizes the doctors to make shit up for a buck.

[–]DeepStateOfMind 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (13子コメント)

This is why we need universal basic income, and to stop paying doctors commission.

[–]lIIIlznqapxnn1011001 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Giving the government that kind of control gives me the shudders.

[–]DeepStateOfMind 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They already have it. They already print more money than UBI would cost to keep their rich friends businesses open.

Look at a chart of M1 money supply.

[–]clarkstud 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sooo, give them more? that makes no sense.

[–]duplicate_username 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Whoa whoa, that is like the very opposite, in terms of ways to combat that, to what I think. Government intervention on the free market caused this mess of healthcare costing too much and incentive's for fraud. IMO

[–]DeepStateOfMind 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Can you show any other countries where a free market has led to cheap healthcare and less fraud in the healthcare industry?

[–]FoundCityOfAtlantis 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We don't have anything close to a free market in healthcare. It's tied with banking for the least free sector in the whole economy. Part of the reason European healthcare is cheaper is that it's a lot easier to become a doctor and operate a hospital there.

[–]The_Masterbolt -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They can't. Just like they can never demonstrate how the market will "regulate itself"

[–]FoundCityOfAtlantis 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not a laissez-faire advocate by any means, but this is sort of a straw man. Health care markets aren't free at all. They're heavily controlled by the government for the benefit of powerful corporations.

[–]The_Masterbolt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The person above the one I responded to implied that without government interference, everything would be all peachy. I'm not seeing how it's a straw man

[–]downisupp [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is why we need universal basic income, and to stop paying doctors commission

yea i would not want a universal basic income as long as those pedophiles are in power

[–]furtree -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

god that is a disgusting communistic idea

[–]The_Masterbolt 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

God this is such a disgusting corporatist idea

See, I can use my fee-fees to demonize things too!

[–]Nonyabizna01 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a terrible idea. Then it wouldn't matter if you're a good doctor or a shitty one, you would make the same regardless. What's the incentive to excel at your job?

[–]FoundCityOfAtlantis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The whole model of paying based on what procedures they perform comes largely from Medicare and Medicaid. It incentivizes "Rockefeller medicine" like cutting you open and doing surgeries (doctor gets thousands of dollars) vs. nutrition and exercise counseling (doctor gets $50)

[–]theawesomethatis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How the fuck do you extend a kidney stone treatment?

Fucking around with ppl who have a kidney stone sounds like a good way to get beat to death by someone * i * wouldn't convict...

[–]shoziku [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He wanted to insert a stent...and leave it there for 6 weeks, then have me come in once a week for ultrasound treatments. I could barely stand the stent for a day, and I was missing work because of it. I fired him, got a new urologist and he had the stone destroyed in 2 days and he took out the stent on the third day. Done.

[–]55_55 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (9子コメント)

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-cyberberkut-video-supposedly-showing-staged-isis-beheading-of-foley.t6520/

[–]perfect_pickles [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

interesting,Mick West is now an apologist for ISIS !!!!!!!!!!

[–]kybarnet 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Low quality

[–]Herculius [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not much meat to it. An interesting link would have been enough.

Overarching point still stands tho

[–]PARKS_AND_TREK 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (22子コメント)

lol the same people that say the MSM are fake news are the same ones who love Alex Jones

[–]tudda 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I keep seeing this suggested. Why can't I think alex jones, Trump, foxnews, CNN, NYTimes, MSNBC, are all misleading me? Why does it always have to be one side or the other.

[–]cgamonitor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Amen

[–]UnverifiedAllegation 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think because if you want to dismiss the "MSM"(in quotes because definitions vary, fox news is always railing against the "msm" despite being the biggest) you have to either accept some other source as real (infowars, RT, sputnik) or just completely detach

those arent real options if you are thinking rationally.

real propagandists/paid disinfo would love it if everybody just decided "all news is fake, ill just disengage, i dont want to hear about corrupt politicians or atrocities" because then the govts get free reign

[–]tudda 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the more realistic alternative is realizing that each information source has an agenda and wants to manipulate your perception. Even the generally higher quality sources like Washington Post and NYT will selectively include information to push a particular narrative.

If you are aware of that, then you understand that you should take the "Tone" of an article into account based on the source and always view information from multiple perspectives to get a more complete picture.

People who read a story and only read it from the same echo chamber, then assume it to be factual and refuse to supplement their information with perspectives are being willingly misled.

Nothing about that suggests you should disengage. I just don't choose a particular side/echo chamber/information source. I view them as pieces of the overall picture. MSNBC provides information, and whether people want to admit it or not, so does brietbart. They clearly have agendas, and will twist the truth pretty heavily or imply outrageous things to influence you, but they do provide information.

[–]DownUpOverAndBack 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why, though I'm not particularly a Trump fan and didn't vote for him, I almost completely dismiss the Trump-Russia conspiracy nonsense that the media can't stop beating on daily. It's all fed by anonymous sources. If you know who is making an accusation, you can apply your own reasoning to how much weight to give it. Is a story on hunting getting its facts from a member of PETA or a hunter? One isn't necessarily better than the other, but that's important information to know as a consumer of the information, isn't it? So what if the daily source on Russia stuff is an Obama-loving partisan still within the government, or a Republican who hates Trump?

[–]lIIIlznqapxnn1011001 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

About 10% of all news is probably "real". You have to get many sources from many different varying locations to filter out what all fits with any likelihood. Also, when we've shown that television news and traditional journalistic outlets have been compromised, I think it's fair that "MSM is fake" is an accurate statement. It's clear and to the point. It resonates and it absolutely and utterly sends shills into a frenzy. What's more to like?

[–]notacrackheadofficer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Foreign Affairs and Harpers are good news sources.
1 is the power elite. 2 is the only non biased source watching them.

[–]PARKS_AND_TREK -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because people are usually on one side or the other. Very rarely do you have anybody who is completely disengaged. You've got people like our god damn President who cries 24/7 about fake news yet he's openly endorsed Alex Jones.

[–]tudda 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I care about what goes on, but I see misinformation on both sides. I used to be far more liberal and I believed that it was all coming from the right, but I had my eyes opened quite a bit and now I get why people end up on the fringes and why people give up and get discouraged. Even if your read nothing but Washingtonpost and NYT you'd still be misinformed and unaware of a lot of things that are going on. It's frustrating, but what can you do.

[–]UjiButsu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Every individual has their own confirmation bias. This has been going on since well before the American revolution. Even Ben Franklin lamented the state of the Press during the penning of the Constitution.

[–]Groomper -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What do you have against NYT? I think they're on of the best news outlets out there?

[–]tudda 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think NYT generally does high quality journalism, but I've seen followed enough stories and read enough articles to watch them intentionally leave out important pieces of stories to push narratives.. and that's really the point of what I am saying. NYT can be honest and accurate in what they say, and still selectively choose what to report on and how to report on it to push a narrative to manipulate public perception. Sometimes it's the editors, sometimes it's the journalists, and other times it's government sources/intelligence assets intentionally misleading journalists to push stories out to the public to alter perception.

I've watched intelligence officers go on TV and blatantly lie about things to reporters , that they don't know enough about the subject to question it. Little by little that kind of misinformation spreads and takes hold and people end up convinced of things that aren't true. It's not a partisan thing, it's an agenda thing, and everyone has one.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are CFR.

[–]lIIIlznqapxnn1011001 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

NYT is in a weird state. They had some of the best election night numbers and were very accurate. At times they have some stories get through with some real meat to them. Other times they are completely pushing a narrative and it's very obvious. So when reading the NYT you have to ask yourself how serious you take them based on your perception of where the story is attempting to take your opinion. So there's some information in there, but don't take it as fact, but as a data point.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No one here likes Alex Jones, and no one ever posts anything from him that ever gets support.
99% of redditors do not realize that about this sub.

[–]lIIIlznqapxnn1011001 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not liking Alex Jones is equivalent to music connoisseurs not liking Brittany Spears. When nobody is looking you still listen to it and agree that it's kinda catchy.

[–]Thorumar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hahahahaha this is great. I'm not listening to, "Hit me baby one more time," but I'll be damned if I'm switching the station when, "Toxic," comes on. Judge me all you want.

Likewise, I might watch a Jones interview from time to time, but it's pretty clear when all you're hearing is bullshit.

"Trust me, folks, I've got the inside sources. CIA, FBI, military... They all talk to infowars, folks. We've got good people out there giving us good information. Nukes WILL BE DETONATED IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND NO ONE CARES. IT'S JUST SO GOD DAMN INFURIATING!!

... I'm sorry, folks. I'm a Christian man. I shouldn't get so worked up like that."

It's a genuinely entertaining spectacle lol

[–]Blandshoestrings 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What are you talking about, this sub has pretty much become an extension of r/t_d_. This post is a prime example.

[–]HahThatsSilly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This post is a prime example.

As a T_D user, this post is a fucking terrible example of something you'd see on TD. A lot of TD users, and Trump voters, believe videos like this even when shown evidence that it's faked.

You'd never see a post like this on TD. At least not one that's upvoted.

[–]illithid_business 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

False equivalency. The MSM and Alex Jones are flawed for different reasons. It's not a binary choice, just because cable news has nothing to offer doesn't make Alex Jones less of a nutcase.

[–]lIIIlznqapxnn1011001 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why are you here? Honestly. You think the MSM is real news and you accept the narrative. Ok, that's fine. But the average r/conspiracy user doesn't accept that MSM news is at all real.

[–]PM_MEMONEYYY [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The MSM are fake news and i hate Alex Jones.

[–]SpongeBobSquarePants 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea because those on the other side respond so well to being call fake...Hell recently they respond horribly bad, in a lot of cases, to those who ask for evidence as if you are to believe them with blind faith.

Some members of this community need to stop calling out others for having the exact same behaviors they have. Lead by example, not by fingerpointing.

[–]illithid_business 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Add some context to this post title.

[–]Iloveliberaltears 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how people still defend that this is debunked. Do a lot of people have that kind of equipment to do that in there basement?

[–]cheetovoat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So guy getting killed has mask on, jihadi john character is light skinned. Is it possible this was a training video for jihadists?

[–]nodeofollie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I watched an interview with an anti-trumper and they were calling the news fake as well. But there was also an interview where the interviewer brought up the "nothing burger", and the interviewee still hammered on about 17 intelligence agencies all agreeing. One thing is for sure, they are not all on the same page.

[–]davekraft400 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I find it funny how all this shit is called fake. Believe you me, the little girl who lost her dad in one of those sick videos wouldn't want to hear your bullshit. My barber's daughter goes to school with her.

[–]unruly_mattress [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I for one am concerned when the President of the United States tells everyone that he is the only legitimate source of information and that everyone else lies. Just trying to keep vigilant.

[–]Pipezilla [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think he's "telling everyone" that he is the only legitimate source of news, but when a network goes out of its way to make fake news is something else.

[–]ShillOilNigera [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's a behind the scenes video from the Turkish TV series Valley of Wolves.

Debunked years ago.

Keep pushing those fake news.

[–]octodo -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Infowars did a great breakdown of this and confirms that sometimes 'media outlets' try to push literal fake news to suit their own agenda.

[–]NGonBeGone 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seriously citing infowars calling others fake news?

[–]IngarnDM 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kettle black pot or something something

[–]UnverifiedAllegation 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

how is infowars so good at identifying fake news?

is this the universal axiom of "takes 1 to know 1"

[–]doublebarrel27 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

wtf am I looking at??

[–]FoundCityOfAtlantis -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The media is the heart of their mind control. Very important they keep up the charade so people don't wake up.

[–]TheHighBlatman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Source: John Kerry's assistant's laptop if not mistaken.

[–]MuuaadDib -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All news isn't fake, people being called on their blatant abuse of position and power doesn't mean it is fake. It just means the person doing the bullshit is creating the narrative to cover his bullshit while endorsing propaganda rags as legitimate sources. Don't get too caught up in this game.

Edit: seriously? You guys think all news is fake? Wow!