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New anti-discrimination posters from TorontoForAll.ca (i.redd.it)

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[–]Reacher_Said_Nothing 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's strange, I fully support trans people, but I still cringe when I see stuff like this, or that Bill Nye video

[–]lizardj6 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (5子コメント)

so gender lives in clothing?

[–]JustinTheCowSP 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, it lives above people's heads

[–]Bamres 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Has the rent above people's heads risen with housing prices?

[–]za1g2i3v8 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I support smart-asses.

[–]robert_d 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Your gender might be a thought, but your sex is defined in your genes.

Which is why we need to move away from documenting gender, because you can always change that, to flagging your chromosomes. Yes, in a few hundred years we might be able to change that too, but meh.

[–]cypro- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's not really an accurate or complete picture of what biologists mean when they talk about sex

[–]robert_d 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, pull in the outliers to define policy.

[–]cypro- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Policy? I think you mean biological reality. And biological reality doesn't defer to what ignorant reddit users think.

[–]stratys3 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Why document sex or gender at all? It's completely unnecessary.

[–]Bamres 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not even for medical purposes?

[–]stratys3 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I was more referring to government identification. For medical purposes, everything is documented, as it should be.

[–]asmosaq 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You should look up the meaning of the word 'completely' then.

[–]stratys3 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'd say it's still completely unnecessary on my passport, for example. My passport is not a medical records document.

[–]i641 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"It's completely unnecessary" realizes that there are good instances where it is necessary such as in medial situations

...."well only completely unnecessary on some things"

You are a fucking idiot.

[–]stratys3 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh my God! I changed my mind because my statement was wrong.

That makes me an idiot?

Holy fuck I hope you never have kids or have to educate anyone ever.

[–]i641 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have 3 kids all much more intelligent than you. They understand the differences between genders, fully respect Trans people, but also still understand that there is nothing wrong with gender roles and there is a clear difference between men and women. Both are equal but are different.

[–]SANICTHEGOTTAGOFAST 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I hope you're not serious.

[–]stratys3 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unfortunately I am serious. Could you elaborate on its purpose? Why is my sex/gender on my driver's license or passport, for example?

[–]myalias1 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

basic demographic identifiers.

[–]robert_d 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I guy, I avoid eating birth control pills.

[–]caleeky 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (7子コメント)

This just seems so... specific. Why not just advocate for trans acceptance? Or, is this aimed at the communities of "people of colour" themselves, because they tend to be less accepting of trans people?

[–]thedrivingcatYonge and Eglinton 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The posters seem to be made in partnership with the NGO "Black Cap" whose mission is:

Black CAP is an organization that works to reduce HIV/AIDS in Toronto’s Black, African and Caribbean communities and enhance the quality of life of Black people living with or aff­ected by HIV/AIDS. HIV/AIDS is spreading quickly in Toronto’s Black communities and we believe that our work is more important than ever.

[–]caleeky 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Guess it's a reasonable response to many people who don't get it, that "this song isn't about you". :)

[–]thedrivingcatYonge and Eglinton 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yep, looks like it

[–]w33disc00lman -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can you point to research or something when you claim that poc are less accepting of trans people? Because many cultures throughout the world who are accepting of trans people/there being more than two genders etc happen to be people of colour (two spirited First Nations people, Hijra ppl in India) so... maybe don't. :-|

[–]Bradshawi 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In western communities, minority groups have a history of voting against what some would call "equality measures" target towards homosexuals. An example of this was when California was voting for same sex marriage and the black community by a large margin came out to vote against the bill.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/06/AR2008110603880.html

you named two very small minority groups but if you look at the larger minority groups in Canada black, latino, some asian groups, they tend to halve a higher percentage of "homophobic" positions.

*more reading

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia_in_ethnic_minority_communities

[–]caleeky 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right - "people of colour" is too sweeping a category. I mean it in this context to refer to African-North-American, African and Caribbean ethnic/cultural groups, which generally have less acceptance of gender/sexual divergence from norm.

[–]AllHailComradeMarx 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Wow, this comment section is a fucking dumpster fire. Who would've thought?

[–]Can-eh-dian11 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Yeah, I know. People frustrated with this city wasting their tax dollars on trivial issues such as these, when there are much more pressing issues right now. How dare they!

[–]AllHailComradeMarx 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (7子コメント)

They must've broken the bank for a fucking poster.

[–]Can-eh-dian11 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The fact that they spend anything on this is the point. Let advocate groups foot the bill for things like these. There shouldn't be a damn cent spent by the city on things like this.

[–]ohyesforsure 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I disagree.

The city spends loads on money on all sorts of things I disagree with. Like a billion rebuilding a highway or three billion on a one stop subway.

I am a billion times more outraged than you are.

[–]elatedprogress 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is worse

[–]ohyesforsure 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Say what you want, but the city delivered a poster.

What infrastructure has the city ever delivered on time and on budget.

You can't name a single project because there isn't one.

[–]ohyesforsure 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Everybody pays taxes.

Why is your opinion any better than anybody else's?

[–]Can-eh-dian11 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The same could be said about those who support these posters for these "issues". Taxes should never be spent on advocating for social issues, which is just my opinion.

[–]ohyesforsure 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course taxes should be spent on social issues, what the hell is wrong with you?

We spend on shelters. We spend on sports. We spend on youth programs.

We spend all sorts of money on things other than physical infrastructure.

You're being more than a little disingenuous here. You just don't want spending on something you personally disagree with.

They pay taxes too.

[–]cypro- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Society has no responsibility to address social issues

[–]ButtholeSmurfer -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You kind, gentle man.

[–]jilliefishRosedale -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, such a happy thread. Surprise surprise.

[–]AllHailComradeMarx 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not sure if the downvote brigade is strong in here or if /r/toronto is really just this shitty and transphobic.

[–]Can-eh-dian11 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nothing to be happy about. Just more waste of tax dollars by this city who cries about their budget issues.

[–]187device 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They do realize these ads are not working for young people? I work with them and I have never seen homophobia as I have now. The high school kids have turned on this...big time.

It's like they have had a total opposite effect. This has been going on for about three years in high schools.

[–]Tittyfuckboy 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if you do most of your thinking with your testicles though?

[–]VladK02 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A poster will not change my opinion on the matter.

[–]iamhaddy 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (5子コメント)

if it's in the head why are they wearing stereotypical clothing for each gender

[–]Juergenator 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because they want to?

[–]ExT3a 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please enlighten us on what you think they should be wearing.

[–]w33disc00lman 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They can wear whatever they want.

[–]311isajoke 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wondering what Sharia says about muslim trans women wearing burkas.

[–]jilliefishRosedale 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well the second photo could be a man or a woman for all we know. Who cares what they're wearing.

[–]ArminscopyofSwank 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Not offended.

People need to realize that everybody is different, and submitting to what you think is right is not right, and accept them.

I am a straight White male who does not understand why stuff like this even needs to exist.

[–]PMmeYourNoodz -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I am a straight White male who does not understand why stuff like this even needs to exist.

the math checks out

[–]mizerama 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You realize he means, he can't believe that "someone actually has to go out and campaign" because fundamentally respecting each other regardless of our differences is so obvious and basic?

[–]AllHailComradeMarx 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm sure the guy who makes posts about "cucks" on The_Donald had the best of intentions.

[–]mizerama 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't even know or care at this point. I'm just going to stick to my own sentiment in isolation: that it sucks that fundamental respect needs to be campaigned for.

[–]sandyvagerson 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Respect? Or tolerance? Demand respect, see how far that gets you.

[–]ArminscopyofSwank 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"the math checks out".

5/7 with rice?

[–]rekjensenMoss Park 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gender lives in your hair, got it.

[–]pblack177 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

OK but why does the one leg belonging to the person on the left look twice as big as their other leg? Photoshop fail.

[–]Midawastaken 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But Sex is referred to as biological means, so in retro spec pretty shitty posters. But yes the message does come across but ironically somewhat incorrect

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[–]l2dalessSt. Lawrence -8 ポイント-7 ポイント  (30子コメント)

You can dress and act however you like, it's all good, however, the sex of an individual is determined by a pair of sex chromosomes (gonosomes). Females have two of the same kind of sex chromosome (XX), and are called the homogametic sex. Males have two distinct sex chromosomes (XY), and are called the heterogametic sex.

Wikipedia

[–]cypro- 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's really not an accurate or complete picture of what biologists mean when they talk about sex

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    [–]cypro- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I don't know why we even have researchers or clinicians when /u/l2daless of /r/toronto can just tell us everything about the biological world. Maybe you want to tell us how we demarcate species also. I'm going to drop the books I'm reading on neural development, because it's probably more informative for me to just read reddit comments.

    But, anyway, did you even read the article? You should read it over again, and try to actually absorb it.

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      [–]cypro- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Good thing we have /u/l2daless of /r/toronto to tell biologists working in genetics and development how they should interpret the data that is their object of study. It's really amazing that the internet has brought us so far that random uneducated people on reddit are able to provide insight into the sciences superior to the insight of the actual scientists doing research.

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        [–]thegoodbadandsmoggyLittle Portugal[M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Multiple Rule 2 violations, attack the point all you want, but refrain from attacking other users.

        [–]tdunks19 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        This is talking about gender not sex.

        [–]cruisy_t 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Agreed. Gender is a different story though.

        [–]l2dalessSt. Lawrence -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        That's why I said 'you can dress and act however you like, it's all good'

        My reason for bringing up sex is to say something that isn't said often enough.

        [–]ladwholivedSt. James Town 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I guarantee this is said and brought up far too often to trans people.

        [–]PMmeYourNoodz 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        hey I'm glad you're into science. According to science, gender != sex

        [–]l2dalessSt. Lawrence -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        That's why I said 'you can dress and act however you like, it's all good'

        My reason for bringing up sex is to say something that isn't said often enough.

        [–]ladwholivedSt. James Town 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I guarantee this is said and brought up far too often to trans people

        [–]PMmeYourNoodz 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        My reason for bringing up sex is to say something that isn't said often enough.

        so....a total non-sequitur

        [–]l2dalessSt. Lawrence 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Yea, so?

        [–]PMmeYourNoodz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Stephen Chow is a great director. That isn't said often enough.

        [–]MetaphysicalBlanket 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Lol love seeing someone get downvoted for stating a fact. What have we come to...

        [–]kownieow -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        So, I guess the point of this is to give people some idea of what they are seeing when they see a trans person right? Like, if you see someone who looks like this, that you suspect is not quite typical, now you know? So, this is like a transphobia vaccination right? I guess, maybe that works. I get that. If it works. Those ads about nimbys pissed a lot of people off but maybe they got people thinking. If it works, great.