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2nd locked thread. Can yall pls chill out with all these controversial submissions

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[–]handlethevibe 3642 ポイント3643 ポイント  (256子コメント)

I really don't get why white people get so defensive about this shit. There is clearly a problem with the type of training (or lack thereof) that police officers get. They're quick to throw up some white kid who also got shot and ask what about this guy? as some sort of defense of police shooting. How about instead of trying to diminish the impact of another black person getting killed for no reason, you focus on the cops firing their guns as their first response to a situation?

[–]Devi1s_Adv0cate 6877 ポイント6878 ポイント x5 (114子コメント)

Some white people get defensive for the exact reason you just mentioned. There is an obvious problem with police brutality, which also affects white people. Namely poor white people, who have way more in common with people of other groups in the same class than they do with rich white people. Many of them are probably tired of being lumped into a group of supposed oppressors, while still getting scoffed at by the country club crowd. Obviously racism is a real issue, but in my opinion, coming from a inner city white kid raised in poverty, classism is the underlying issue. When is the last time a rich person got gunned down by the police? We need to stop allowing the elite to devide us by race and realize the real enemy.

[–]dont_wear_a_C 999 ポイント1000 ポイント  (68子コメント)

We should care more about class separation, but then you go into poor insert race areas and they STILL only care about color/race over anything else. Which is why you see poor white people who vote Republican, but don't realize that they're getting shafted by their own white "friends" in office. They'd rather vote white, get the short end of the stick, and see other races falter before they realize the rich are running away with everything.

Aka racism supercedes classism(?) every time. It's sad.

[–]mach-2Idris Elba's lost son 156 ポイント157 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Yeah I dont know what bullshit that user just typed. I keep seeing motherfuckers try to lie about the whole "economically anxious noble working class whites" but if you go to these small rural towns, the racism is a lot more blatant because they feel they are disconnected from the rest of the country so they can run their little podunk however they please.

The small towns usually turn the police force into a family business where a congregation of specific families fling their offspring into law enforcement as a tradition and perpetuate this "brotherhood of police"

The real reason why white people get defensive about police is because they see their children, brothers, sisters, friends and parents within the police force and they feel "my folks aren't bad people because they come home and are nice to me so they would never do that".

Also America has the habit of valourizing men in uniform. From the police to the armed forces. And for many white folk, men in uniform can do no wrong and if they did, it was probably because that other person deserved it. That's why when it comes to police shootings, motherfuckers turn into Hercule Poirot real quick and are first to tell us how said person didn't put their hands on the steering wheel quick enough or some such nonsense. They believe you must submit yourselves to authority and if you get shot you probably weren't bowing low enough.

These particular defensive white people are always willing to admit that "white folks get shot too" but only when its time to dismiss the concerns of BLM.

And then there's the fact that everytime BLM talks about police brutality, white folks and their model minority coalitions join forces to question and tarnish the reputation of the black victims before their bodies are even cold yet. They will sneer at BLM protesters for "blocking roads" and then sneer at BLM for not protesting little Tanner that was manhandled by the police. You can't win with these folk. The exact same type of folk they then get to pull jury duty when its time to let the cop go.

Also the whole "it's not about race its about class" is just classic lie. America has never been about "just class". On every societal level, the outcome for white Americans supersedes the argument that it's "about class" and not race.

But I guess it is progress though. Since now we have gotten some white folk to admit there is a problem with the police after years of yelling and screaming. Next step is showing them that these quick trigger cowboys will close ranks and almost never cast out the bad eggs among them.

[–]Fariic 190 ポイント191 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you guys misunderstood what he was saying.

The same things that impact black people also impact poor white people.

But a bunch of poor white people don't often times get it and continue to work against their own best interest because of racism.

If class had no hand in the problem I wouldn't have had conversations with black people who think racism has nothing to do with it. My brothers girls dad is black, he was a cop, he thinks "hoodlums" are the problem. That girl has family that thinks BLM are just a bunch of thugs, and that the cops wouldn't shoot people if they didn't do anything wrong.

For a lot of people it doesn't have anything to do with race, they legit think that cops are justified when they shoot someone. "Obviously they did something wrong or the cop wouldn't shoot them", and it doesn't matter to them if they have white or brown skin, nor is it only a thing white people believe.

[–]BeepBeeepBeepBeep 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please take my question as genuine, I hold no prejudices. You hear the "it's a class thing" argument all the time when you look at crime rates (that to my unresearched understanding place a higher crime rate on the black community), but all of a sudden that is completely invalid when looking at police brutality? How can it go both ways

[–]SpaceGastropod 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I completely agree with you, except for the "white folks all have relatives in the police" thing. I don't think it's that relevant because I don't think there's that many white people with family in the police. They just defend them because they can't bring themselves to admit they're priviledged to a certain degree. Some white people just refuse to see that other ethnicites have it way harder than them.

[–]Honeybadger200 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, as a white person I get it racism exists. Also as a white person I think cops abuse their power sometimes and should be held accountable and I don't care what the race of the cop or victim is because their doing it and getting away with it on everyone and quit telling me that I don't get to be mad because i'm 'privileged'. I grew up with a single mother making very little with 2 other siblings in an area where being black is a great thing (at least in my schools). What's incredibly ironic is that Asian men are one of the highest acheivers in America, a demographic that is held back based on race when applying for college yet because their not white there better to you. You need to quit grouping the entire white race in a nice little fuck you package and understand that the majority of us don't give a crap that your black and wish you nothing but good things.

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    [–]xander63090 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm a rural white boy and I worked in north STL in the vicinity of the Mike Brown shooting and black people said racist shit about white people and to me all the time. I don't disagree with your point, I just think it happens in every area that has predominately one race more than any and all others.

    [–]heybeyotch 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So is your issue with police or white people?

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      [–]Brown-Banannerz 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Poverty and a lack of education lead to these issues. As a south asian myself, I can tell you that racism runs rampant when people lack education, or grow up in poverty and have bad experiences with certain races. By singling out a certain race and always blaming that race and that race alone for racism, you are becoming part of the problem. The problem is so much more complex than any one person or any one race.

      Racism does not supersede classism. Racism is a product of classism

      [–]blacklite911 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      I think there needs to be clarification here. When you're talking about areas, its worth noting that you actually need to specify that you're talking about racist white areas. Because there are plenty of majority white areas around the country that vote democrat. How else do you think places like Vermont and the northeast are reliably blue?

      I'm black but I do think that we need to use better language when talking about stuff like this. If I were to knock one thing about modern social justice movement is that it uses too many generalities which causes you to either have to rationalize why you're using a generalization or tag on the "ofcourse not all (insert demographic) does this but you know what I mean". When we could just avoid the confusion all together. You can't assume that everyone is going to know as much information as you do, so you must be specific the first time.

      [–]The-Ugly-One 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I think it's even more complex than that; I live in rural Vermont with like 85% registered democrats but you'll still hear a fair amount of casual racism. A lot of it is lack of exposure to diversity, living in a racial vacuum reinforces that kind of thinking.

      [–]thirdegree 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      A lot of it is lack of exposure to diversity

      I mean that's more or less the root of most -isms. Fear of the unknown/different. It's way harder to demonize a group when half your friends belong to that group.

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        [–]dont_wear_a_C 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Majority white poor areas. I think that should clarify.

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          [–]nomadfoy 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Poor people are still racist obviosly, i think his point is that it gets annoying when people act like cops aren't shooting white people. A broke white guys got a better chance of being murder by a cop than a rich black person. Only color that matters is green.

          [–]meme-novice 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          "Recent years have seen the rise of the idea that poor whites in America have developed a tendency to vote for Republicans, who in general do not have their best interests in mind. Using National Election Survey data, Sean Richey, J. Benjamin Taylor, Jeffrey M. Glas and Junyan Zhu take a close look at this idea of ‘incorrect voting’, and find that poor whites actually tend to vote for Democrats – who do better represent their interests – around 75 percent of the time. They also comment that when poor whites do vote against their interests, this tends to be third party candidates, rather than Republicans."

          http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2016/03/29/debunking-the-myth-that-poor-whites-vote-against-their-interests-for-republicans/

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            [–]ItAintAJTho 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Classism is just as serious of an issue, but I don't think you can say it's the "underlying" issue of all police brutality and ignore the racial factor. It's a fact that black folks and other minorities are shot or abused by police at disproportionately high rates compared to white people, poor or not.

            Obviously it's wrong to say that no white people ever have problems with the police, but they are two separate forms of discrimination that affect policing. And poor minorities have to deal with both at the same time.

            When is the last time a rich person got gunned down by the police?

            Unfortunately, it happens to rich POC too. Maybe not often shootings, but still discrimination: http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/14/news/economy/wealthy-blacks-racial-profiling/index.html

            [–]kmoz 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            It's very true that people of color are disproportionately discriminated against by police, and it's a serious issue that needs to be tackled. That said, it should not be ignored that half the people killed by cops are white. If we want to solve the issue of police violence we should have everyone speaking out against it, because it's an issue that effects people of every background. Again, this isn't discrediting BLM or saying that white people have it anywhere as bad, just that we shouldn't ignore that 50% of the violence because of their skin color. Their families don't get any more justice than those of the black families who lose loved ones to police violence.

            [–]ItAintAJTho 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            That's fine, and I don't think anyone wants to ignore it - I'm all for holding cops accountable. But the statistic you're citing is moot considering Whites make up more than 50% of the population. And that also includes Whites who aren't innocent bystanders, like those BLM mostly concerns itself with.

            Not discounting your point that Whites can very easily be victims of police brutality, but the statistic is a little misleading.

            [–]troutscockholster 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            But the statistic you're citing is moot considering Whites make up more than 50% of the population

            If we want statistical accuracy than we shouldn't base it off the percentage of whites or blacks in a total population and make judgments off of that. It should be based off the percentage of violent crimes committed by each race. For example, for simplicity sake, if half of all violent crime is committed by whites and half by blacks and the amount of deaths by police is 50/50 then black people aren't being targeted even if they are 13% of the population. They are being shot proportional to the amount of crime they commit as are whites. So the question is, are blacks being killed more or less compared to the amount of violent crime they commit.

            *Note this isn't argument to say black people don't face racism by LEOs because they absolutely do. This is an entirely separate point.

            [–]kmoz 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            My point is that by focusing exclusively on the black people effected by it you're missing 3/4 of the people getting killed. Percentages and rates absolutely matter, and I'm not discounting how much worse it is in the black community, but we shouldn't ignore 75% of the problem when trying to find a solution. Including everyone in the message gets more people fighting for your cause, even if it's not as statistically big of an issue for that group. I'd love to get all 150+ million white people fighting against police brutality alongside BLM. I'd love for BLM to march for this dude just like they would for freddy grey because the same injustice was done.

            [–]Evergreen_76 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Justice Department’s Report on the Ferguson Police Department](http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/04/us/ferguson-police-racial-discrimination.html?_r=0)

            The Chicago Police Accountability Task Force's report "broken" system rooted in racial bias and indifference.

            Justice Department report: Baltimore police routinely violated civil rights

            Policing in Baltimore in black and white

            NYC stop and frisk

            NYC stop-and-frisk data: Whites more likely to carry weapons and drugs

            http://thefreethoughtproject.com/infant-responsible-grenade-thrown-face/

            Blacks Are Singled Out for Marijuana

            racial disparity in traffic stops

            [–]RequiemAA 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Obviously it's wrong to say that no white people ever have problems with the police, but they are two separate forms of discrimination that affect policing. And poor minorities have to deal with both at the same time.

            Absolutely not. Police discriminate against the poor an incredible amount more than they discriminate between black and white. The issue isn't which discrimination is worse, the issue is how do you fix it. You aren't fixing one without the other.

            [–]JohnnyMujo 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            If you read just the first two chapters of A People's History of the United States, you'll see how indentured whites and enslaved Africans often worked together to undermine their rich masters.

            This is why race is so important in America. The rich masters didn't appreciate any of it, and worked to create whiteness to divide the races and make poor whites feel that they were superior and better off than the slaves they owned.

            I think this is an important moment in America where we can begin to shed fabricated racial structures in this country and fight for a better country than what we have now. Sadly, race is apart of the very fabric of American society. I don't know if we'll ever be able to shed racial divisions.

            [–]DownvoteDaemonChauncii's best friend ☺️👬💕 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (11子コメント)

            Some white people get defensive

            Especially in this sub. Once a post gets 5k and hits all they come here complaining

            [–]luker_man 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (10子コメント)

            One post already got locked.

            [–]DownvoteDaemonChauncii's best friend ☺️👬💕 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (8子コメント)

            Sometimes I feel like they get locked too early though lol...

            [–]Ayy_2_Brute🐲Toothpaste-breathing Dragon 🐉 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            That one was locked after 16 comments. Way too early. Lazy moderating.

            [–]healzsham 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Look at those lazy mods, stopping something before it actually becomes a problem. They're just the worst, what with how they do their jobs.

            [–]Ayy_2_Brute🐲Toothpaste-breathing Dragon 🐉 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Virtually the same post was left unlocked 3 months ago

            Moderating literally means presiding over a discussion or debate. Locking a post isn't moderating, it's preventing discussion. It's lazy.

            [–]MyPracticeaccount 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            i suspect the moderators realized who the picture of the guy was on the left and locked it immediately. It appears to be De'Marquise Elkins.

            The guy was in jail for shooting a baby in the face. Literally one of the biggest pieces of garbage ever.

            [–]healzsham 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            link to thread where you have the top comment

            You'll have to forgive me if I find your perspective biased

            [–]Ayy_2_Brute🐲Toothpaste-breathing Dragon 🐉 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I havent cared about karma in months. As a former default mod I dont like seeing threads locked early. Pretty simple.

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                [–]JUST_A_CUPPA 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I think it's fair to say that both classism and racism are incredibly intertwined issues in America.

                [–]ItsBuckinFueker 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                How many rich people commit crimes where they would need to be gunned down? I think your mostly right and theres a underlying class issue. But that is mostly because the poor vastly commit more crimes.

                [–]EditorialComplex 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The thing is that class doesn't usually help black people. Sandra Bland had an education and a good middle class job. She still brutally died in a jail cell.

                When fucking Oprah gets followed around stores, there's a problem.

                [–]wittheshits 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Middle class minorities actually get shot at quite a bit.

                [–]the-special-hell 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                While this is true about poor white people, a white person can still put on some clean clothes and not be bothered on the street, while a black person has to worry regardless of how nice they're dressed.

                [–]termitered 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                rich black and brown people still deal with racism

                [–]Zero_Ninety 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I grew up around Flint, Michigan. When in downtown Flint, the city police didn't give a fuck what color you were, as you said , you were poor , you were fucked.

                Classism is a way bigger issue than racism , from what I see. I can see it. I was born into a trailer park outside Flint and now I live in a gated community in the suburbs of Phoenix where the homes are all 400 to 600k value. Once you hit the upper crust of upper-middle class, no one in that class cares about your race or ethnicity. I am white, my neighbors are African American. A few houses down is an Iranian family who hosts the annual block party. Mormons live 2 houses down the other directions and being Phoenix , there are more than a few wealth Hispanic families living here. No one cares , we are all too busy working our assets off or enjoying retirement and being pretty well off.

                [–]azur08 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                This is exactly right

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                  [–]LeSpiceWeasel 637 ポイント638 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I really don't get why white people get so defensive about this shit.

                  You don't get why 200 millions americans don't like being painted with the same brush?

                  Yeah, that's a real fucking tough one.

                  EDIT: Be careful about using common sense on this sub, apparently the mods ban you for it.

                  [–]iltl64 593 ポイント594 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                  White people get defensive because it quickly goes from blaming police to blaming all white people.

                  Also, white people have to deal with police brutality as well. "But it's not proportional to blacks" doesn't make anyone feel better about getting beat up or killed by a cop.

                  [–]RVAndal 277 ポイント278 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  I really don't get why some white people get so defensive about this shit.

                  ftfy

                  as a white dude seeing this shit is infuriating and saddens me to the deepest level.

                  what white people probably get defensive about is generalizing comments like yours that this sub likes to make all the time.

                  [–]peenoid 213 ポイント214 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Agreed.

                  If white people seem defensive, you might consider that they're not just being petty, but that they are frustrated that all the blame for a ridiculously complex problem seems to be being laid at their feet solely because of their skin color, which is not only incredibly insulting and yes, racist, but also a perfect way to ensure the problem is never actually properly addressed.

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                    [–]Melmab 216 ポイント217 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                    It isn't a police vs. non-white people - it's a police vs. poor people. If you're poor, you're more likely to wind up getting shot by a cop. This guy wasn't black, but I'd bet money that he was poor.

                    [–]Okichah 179 ポイント180 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Great point.

                    But OP is literally making this is a "whites versus non-whites" problem. Which is fairly antagonistic and not helpful either.

                    New checklist:

                    1. Where is the body cam footage?

                    2. Where is the cruiser footage?

                    3. Who is doing the investigation?

                    4. What is the history of the officers involved?

                    5. What is the history of the department involved?

                      ...

                    6. What are the races of the victims and officers involved?

                    [–]SwineFluPandemic 138 ポイント139 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                    Imagine if I told you from birth that black people hold all the power and are in control of pretty much everything. How would you react when something out of your control, that you had nothing to do with, that you don't condone, happened on "your watch" in the system you're supposedly in complete control of?

                    Imagine you were in that situation and you actually had a lot of problems of your own. You could still get gunned down, you could still be poor as shit, you could still be hated for your skin color, but everyone keeps telling you that you're in control and thus, implying that all the misuses of power really kinda boil down to you being asleep at the wheel or evil.

                    I think that's why a lot of us get defensive, angry, and eventually give up altogether and just start not giving a shit. How long does someone have to talk shit about you for things that you personally aren't in control of before you say "You know what, fuck it, I do hate you"? It reminds me a lot of the "Why does one black guy represent us all" thing, but from an implicit moral high-ground. Just food for thought.

                    [–]Fluffyfishbasket 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    I really don't get why white people get so defensive about this shit. There is clearly a problem with the type of training (or lack thereof) that police officers get. They're quick to throw up some white kid who also got shot and ask what about this guy? as some sort of defense of police shooting. How about instead of trying to diminish the impact of another black person getting killed for no reason, you focus on the cops firing their guns as their first response to a situation?

                    You and I agree on a lot, except for your over generalization about "white people." Cops are doing as they please without reprocussion. The violence is unfortunately slanted against minorities. However this is not a race issue, it's a law enforcement vs citizens of the United States issue. "United we stand, divided we fall." Everyone is so busy trying to gain points for their team that nothing gets done about the actual problem, we are a stones throw away from a fascist state.

                    [–]toddrough 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Whites get defensive cause those poor lower class whites like myself get grouped in with these "privileged" white people I hear so much about. If I was privileged I would certainly have a better job, a better life, and be happier in general. But oh no wait all white people are racist disgusting rapists who want to watch all other minorities burn.

                    [–]AtlKolsch 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I don't get why some people feel obligated to make blanket statements about race

                    [–]littleski5 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    As a white person who throws up white people that get shot, the reason why is because we're trying to point out that its a problem for everyone when cops fire their guns as a first response to a situation. I also agree that we have a problem with disproportionate violence towards minorities, but I don't know if that always comes across. Basically, people should stop killing people!! And there have been counties where cops were retrained and avoided a single murder by cop ever since, clearly there are methods we could be focusing on for training besides shoot to kill.

                    [–]RequiemAA 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Drop your woke bullshit. White people have a problem with police being fucking worthless, too. The biggest threat to police aren't blacks, hispanics, asians, or whites... it's the poor. Police have a race issue, our prison system has a race issue - that can't be argued. But police in the US are flawed through and through and race issues are just a symptom of that.

                    [–]ChosenHaze 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Why say "white people" doesn't that just push people away? If you want people to agree with you don't stereotype them.

                    [–]manynames1 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    This type ignorant shit is mind boggling. I think white people are tired of being lumped into groups and expected to go around apologizing for the actions of a few people they have absolutely no connection with.

                    [–]slascoundrel 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    more white people are getting shot by cops than black

                    [–]ISuckAtFunny 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Your whole reasoning is to focus on the 'cops being shit part' but the literal title is shitting on all white people. That's what white people have a problem with.

                    [–]HeavyG_93 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    White dude here. I think they're under the assumption that the "argument" is about race, when in reality the argument is just about law enforcement

                    [–]SmurfSawce 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I think the reason we get offended sometimes is because it seems like everywhere we turn there is something saying that we are awful and racist. Its just a lot more complex than that.

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                      [–]A4PS 2618 ポイント2619 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      This is a tragedy that should never have happened, and no family should have to go through.

                      But situation is not as clear cut as this this tweet is making it.

                      The homeowner was alerted to the man’s presence in the area when a friend came to his door, and yelled that someone was running after him with a knife
                      ...
                      The homeowner fired a warning shot into the ground, but the man continued advancing.
                      ...
                      That’s when the self-described “Creator” started stabbing the door
                      ...
                      Sheriff’s deputies arrived... they ordered the man to drop to the ground. Instead, he advanced toward the deputies. They fired Tasers at him, but the man continued. One deputy fired a gun, hitting him in the torso.

                      -- http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/man-with-knife-calling-himself-the-creator-fatally-shot-by-police-in-burien/

                      In retrospect I would guess Tommy Le was having some kind of psychotic episode.

                      Honest question, what should the police have done different?

                      [–]dkbobby 1734 ポイント1735 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Look at this asshole actually reading the story and not jumping the gun by seeing one Twitter post or headline

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                        [–]gloryatsea 1259 ポイント1260 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Around midnight, three deputies were summoned by several 911 calls about a man with a sharp object, maybe a knife, threatening people in the 13600 block of Third Avenue South in Burien. One home­owner told dispatchers he had fired his handgun into the ground, hoping to scare off the man — later identified as Le.

                        When Le continued to approach, the homeowner fled back inside his house. Le, who was barefoot, then pounded on the door and stabbed it, screaming he was “the Creator,” according to the King County Sheriff’s Office.

                        Deputies confronted Le, who refused commands to drop “what they thought was a knife,” said sheriff’s spokeswoman Sgt. Cindi West. Two deputies fired their Tasers, with one of them hitting Le. But it had no effect, she said.

                        When Le reportedly moved toward deputies, a deputy shot him three times. He died at Harborview Medical Center.

                        http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/bubbly-kid-was-fatally-shot-by-king-county-deputy-hours-before-high-school-graduation/

                        How is that not a perfectly justified use of force? All these officers knew upon arriving at the scene is what was reported to them by multiple 911 calls, consisting of:

                        • Someone being erratic
                        • Might have a knife
                        • Not scared off by a gunshot

                        They ordered him to stop, used non-lethal force, and only shot when the suspect continued in their direction. This is an absolute travesty that a situation came to this, but I fail to see how the police officers did anything but follow an incredibly responsible hierarchy of force starting from vocal commands to tasers to lethal force.

                        What should they have done differently?

                        [–]thedudefromnc 1032 ポイント1033 ポイント  (44子コメント)

                        I'm seeing that they tased him before shooting him 3 times. Hopefully there is some video somewhere and justice is served.

                        [–]browndudeman 563 ポイント564 ポイント  (29子コメント)

                        Let's be honest, the cop's gonna get paid leave and then another one across the country gonna shoot some other poor kid and the cycle of outrage will continue.

                        Edit: deleted double word

                        [–]dont_wear_a_C 172 ポイント173 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        The police union is a big problem with shit like this. Guy gets fired, union pays his fines, and this guy is good to continue life.

                        [–]mach-2Idris Elba's lost son 144 ポイント145 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        The police union and the frats came out in support of the GOP and their agenda in various states. When you consider police forces taking political stances, especially siding with the party of white nationalist christian fundamentalism it's not surprising they close ranks in situations like this.

                        Most recently it was revealed that the police tried to dig up dirt on Philando's girl to use to smear her and her bf the day after the shooting.Those are not the actions of a force for good. Those are the actions of evil men looking to kill a man in name only after having killed him already.

                        Here's the article

                        edit: Welp, angry white folk have arrived. I'm Audi.

                        America will never shed its racial roots until it admits the current strata did not appear out of fucking nowhere. You don't subjugate people for 400 years, hand wring after you hand the freedom papers, hand wring when it comes to applying the law fairly and then expect to hold hands after it. Motherfuckers are coming in here to cry about white people being blamed but refuse to admit that the white people in power were voted by the very same "poor rural noble working class" that we are supposed to empathize with.

                        Motherfuckers have voted crazy christian fundamentalists who hate science, minorities and women. The reps in congress are no different. A fucking breibart alcoholic racist is the right hand of the orange mad king and they wouldnt have gotten there without the rural vote. The same rural people who we keep getting told were just "economically anxious".

                        I can't take these arguments seriously. Y'all want to talk about class and ignore race because it suits the narrative and makes them comfy, but once it comes to race all of a sudden motherfuckers play dumb.

                        I couldn't give a fuck about most of yall here to culture vulture tbh.

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                            [–]deep-sea-driver 375 ポイント376 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            This guy had already been shot at by a civilian for chasing the civilian's friend before the cops got there. He was screaming about being 'The Creator' and wouldn't drop what he was holding. I'm not saying there shouldn't be an investigation, but the guy was being erratic to say the least.

                            [–]MustBeDTFwithMBDTF 151 ポイント152 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Damn click-bait headlines.

                            People get the wrong idea and it can result in people dying... all for clicks.

                            [–]ELL_YAYY 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Got a source on that? Just wanna get the full picture of what happened here since there seems to be differing accounts.

                            Edit: saw you linked it. I should scroll down before commenting.

                            [–]AFlyingMexican5 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Source?

                            [–]deep-sea-driver 103 ポイント104 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tommy-le-police-killing-pen-graduation_us_59567959e4b0da2c73232689

                            [–]ELL_YAYY 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Damn, sounds like the kid smoked some PCP (maybe on purpose, maybe not?) still that's tragic.

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                              [–]kane_thehuman 743 ポイント744 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                              Shouldn't the message here just end at "it doesn't matter what color you are"? This sub gets a little racist against white people sometimes.

                              [–]TenVipers 513 ポイント514 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Lol more than a little, but hey black people can't be racist. /s

                              It's a good sub most of the time but it can really look like a reflection of the_dumbfuck.

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                                [–]LeSpiceWeasel 629 ポイント630 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                20 years old, about to "graduate high school".

                                Around midnight, three deputies were summoned by several 911 calls about a man with a sharp object, maybe a knife, threatening people in the 13600 block of Third Avenue South in Burien. One home­owner told dispatchers he had fired his handgun into the ground, hoping to scare off the man — later identified as Le.

                                When Le continued to approach, the homeowner fled back inside his house. Le, who was barefoot, then pounded on the door and stabbed it, screaming he was “the Creator,” according to the King County Sheriff’s Office.

                                Deputies confronted Le, who refused commands to drop “what they thought was a knife,” said sheriff’s spokeswoman Sgt. Cindi West. Two deputies fired their Tasers, with one of them hitting Le. But it had no effect, she said.

                                http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/bubbly-kid-was-fatally-shot-by-king-county-deputy-hours-before-high-school-graduation/

                                But yeah, just another innocent victim, right?

                                EDIT: And muted for 72 hours. The mods of this sub fucking suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

                                EDIT2: And now a one day ban. Thanks for proving my point.

                                [–]j24b_ 243 ポイント244 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                I wonder how many people are just gonna ignore this so it doesn't effect there narrative

                                [–]LeSpiceWeasel 138 ポイント139 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Most of them.

                                [–]nglod33 612 ポイント613 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                Fuck you and your title. "As long as you're not white". You're fucking garbage. You do realize asian people get killed way less often then white people, right? Fuck you die slow.

                                [–]xSpaceCrabsx 510 ポイント511 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                I'm white. Can confirm there's a secret society behind the veil protecting us whilst eliminating our colored counterparts. Gg

                                [–]ThisUsernameIsToShor 436 ポイント437 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                If you're clearly high on some kind of drug, and a taser has no effect on you, im not taking a chance on someone charging me. Doesn't matter if you have a pen or a knife, in the heat of the moment i'm sure all you keyboard warriors would defend yourselves like this officer did.

                                I don't think this cop shot this kid because he was Asian, i think he shot him because he didn't want to get stabbed.

                                [–]Sklushi 375 ポイント376 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                "doesn't matter what color your skin is" "unless you're white" Oh man

                                [–]j24b_ 342 ポイント343 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                Really? You have to add the last part?

                                [–]Nunderwoood 293 ポイント294 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Hey OP, why you gotta be a racist prick?

                                This is a terribly sad story no matter what color the victim is.

                                [–]BobbinWilliams 276 ポイント277 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                TLDR;

                                thought to be wielding a knife or a 'sharp object,' was actually holding only a pen, according to a new report.

                                Tommy Le, 20, was just hours away from his high school graduation from Career Link, an alternative high school program at South Seattle College

                                a homeowner had fired a 'warning shot' at a man later identified as Le, who was approaching with what the homeowner believed to be a 'knife or sharp object'.

                                the homeowner ran inside his house and Le began stabbing his door with the 'sharp object', yelling that he was 'The Creator'.

                                Officers added that Le did not comply with deputy orders, did not drop the object, and that tasers 'were not effective.'

                                That is when Deputy Cesar Molina shot Le three times. Le later died from his injuries at the hospital.

                                [–]bigde32 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                This "tasers were not effective" thing is really weird. How was it not effective?

                                [–]abstaininggaming 286 ポイント287 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                He was stabbing someone's door at midnight while yelling "I am the creator", so he was probably on drugs (which sometimes make people resistant to the effects of tasers). Just a possibility though; the case hasn't been investigated thoroughly yet.

                                [–]dnthatethescrub 152 ポイント153 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Also tasers do fail quite a bit if he was wearing multiple layers of clothing like a jacket or something.

                                [–]athleticshark 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                If he was on drugs, like PCP, it can make people almost superhuman.

                                [–]jfree3000 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Tasers are not 100 percent effective, you have to have a perfect shot for the current to travel through the body with the two prongs. A moving person is a hard to hit and add clothing to that equation, the taser spread decreases the closer the person gets to you.

                                [–]BigBananaDealer 228 ポイント229 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Why did this garbage get 3.5k upvotes?

                                [–]ratmon 229 ポイント230 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                White people get shot too FYI so do cops

                                [–]CantHousewifeaHo 199 ポイント200 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                that doesn't fit the narrative you racist.

                                [–]tunawhitenocrustt 195 ポイント196 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                fuck off with this bullshit title. i come to this sub for humour. you want a sub to exist which a title saying 'it doesnt matter what color you are if you're not black' to get to the front page? exactly. stopping racism cant happen as long as people keep encouraging it. go on, lock the fucking comments.

                                [–]VarysIsAMermaid69 188 ポイント189 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                Fuck dude that's depressing

                                [–]DSMessman 188 ポイント189 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Apparently he was high and trying to break into someones house and charged the police. If that makes you feel any better.

                                [–]ObLaDi 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Welcome to the shit show.

                                [–]JonasBrosSuck 177 ポイント178 ポイント  (28子コメント)

                                wonder why most police force reject the idea of on-body camera...

                                [–]lennongrass 184 ポイント185 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                Biggest (legitimate) argument I've heard is that it would get rid of the option of police letting people slide. Say someone was caught with some weed in an illegal state and instead of a cop just giving them a warning, the whole thing would be on tape. Not saying body cameras wouldn't help in cases like this, but there are other arguments against them.

                                [–]z3r0f14m3 253 ポイント254 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                Its not like someone is gonna sit down and watch every recording every day. Its there so they can go back and review specific types of incidents. That argument just doesnt hold up imo.

                                Edit: They have had dash cams for years that record audio as well and they still let people off for the small stuff.

                                [–]lennongrass 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                I completely agree and think there should be body cameras. I'm just acknowledging that there is another side

                                [–]z3r0f14m3 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                And what im saying is that sides argument doesnt hold water at all. Therefore i dont acknowlege them at all.

                                [–]__celli 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                But here's the thing. Once it's on camera, it's on camera. And they can be caught and lose their job over it.

                                It does hold water. Is some kids not getting away with pot enough to justify not wearing cams? No. But the argument still does hold water.

                                [–]z3r0f14m3 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                Same with dashcams. Its on camera and they can lose their job over it.

                                [–]hafunny 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                These niggas won't get fired for it they don't even get fired if they kill someone

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                                    [–]BlargWarg 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    Another issue is people bot spamming FOIA requests for every piece footage a department has; it's happened in Seattle and it was a massive pain in the ass for the administration to keep up with the censoring and yadda yadda.

                                    Most of the officers that I liked, often loved the body cams. "Oh, you said you didn't throw the first punch? That's great fucker, here's the film"

                                    [–]NIKK-C 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Totaly. I worked as a forensic cctv analyst for a rail network for 5 years. Media requests and FOI requests for footage were a serious strain on staffing. All the blurring and witness protection stuff we needed to apply to video was getting in the way of putting together evidence police needed for more immediate matters.

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                                      [–]Internet1212 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      What a shame it would be if everyone was treated the same under the fucking law, right?

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                                          [–]-FreedomGuy- 180 ポイント181 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          So it isn't a problem if a white person is innocently killed by a cop?.

                                          [–]Racorse 116 ポイント117 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Yeah what the fuck

                                          [–]callinoutyourbs 150 ポイント151 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          How racist is this subreddit going to be allowed to get?

                                          [–][deleted] 134 ポイント135 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          So from the facts we have:

                                          • Mr. Le was banging on someone's door yelling about him being the "Creator".

                                          • Cops attempted to taser him, however the taser had no effect on him.

                                          • Cops ordered Mr. Le to drop whatever object was in his hand.

                                          • Mr. Le did not respond to the cops demands and instead began moving towards them.

                                          • Cops demand he stay where he is, Mr. Le did not respond to this.

                                          • Cops shot Mr. Le.

                                          The issue I have with posts like this is people try to frame these situations as if cops first instinct was to run in guns blazing. In this situation that clearly was not what occured. Cops are not going to let someone with an object in their hand run at them. This isn't a fantasy care bear world. This isn't The OA.

                                          [–]LonelySkinnyRetard 136 ポイント137 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Reddit sure hates white people and America lately. I'm so glad I live in Canada.

                                          [–]manofsea 135 ポイント136 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I would love to see the body cam, but it looks like the cops were in the right here, he was charging them at the time. (according to the account. verification is needed yes.)

                                          [–]realbeau 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Throw them "white people" in a box, eh?

                                          I don't know why I'm still subbed...

                                          [–]kush9090Assologist™ 😘🍑 107 ポイント108 ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                          I thought white people loved asians?

                                          [–]anonymoushero1 206 ポイント207 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                          that's young white people.

                                          A lot of old white people are still racist against Asians. A lot of it traces back to WW2, Korea, and Vietnam.

                                          [–]handlethevibe 122 ポイント123 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                          Not entirely true. While you're right about old white people being racist against asians (what race aren't they racist against?), Asians are usually considered one of the "model" minorities by your run of the mill racist whites.

                                          For example, they'll be like, "I don't understand why black people are always whining about stuff, look at Asians, they're a minority and they are very successful."

                                          [–]anonymoushero1 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                          I don't understand why black people are always whining about stuff, look at Asians, they're a minority and they are very successful

                                          hmm it's almost as if the conditions under which these two races were introduced to America were different. hmmmmm

                                          [–]flamingfireworks 107 ポイント108 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                          Im not versed well in history but im pretty sure that asians were treated pretty shittily too.

                                          [–]KumaKurita 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          Brought in as legal slaves to build rail roads in California lol. Also were part of the laws that prevented mixed marriage. Also prevented from taking up more "masculine" jobs which is why the stereotype of Asians owning clothes wash/laundry stores is a thing.

                                          It goes a lot deeper than that, but yeah treated slightly better than African Americans because we weren't lynched on the regular, but there's still a ton of racism in the history of Asian Americans that it's not a sunny picture.

                                          Anyone who wasn't a white settler from the big European countries was treated like shit. Africans, Asians, Irish, etc

                                          Edit: Also Vietnamese refugees who have made a name for themselves (became the "ideal minority") also faced a lot of ill will when they came to America lol. My father was a Vietnamese refugee and he was treated like scum for coming to America. Many people, including Joe Biden heavily opposed the Vietnamese refugees from coming, and when they ultimately did it was a horrible experience.

                                          [–]flamingfireworks 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Didnt mark wahlberg blind some vietnamese guy when he was younger, too? like, just for being vietnamese?

                                          [–]anonymoushero1 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Definitely. So were the Irish when they first came. America has never been kind to immigrants. But being treated like shit and being literally slaves are still vastly different things.

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                                              [–]SourCreamWater 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              The cop that shot him was named Cesar Molina btw. Such a white guy name. Jesus Christ do you fucking idiots ever actually read articles?

                                              [–]ItAintAJTho 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              White people "love us" because they see Asian women as "exotic" objects and Asian men as weak and non-threatening. And even then, second-generation Asian Americans still get hit with the "your English is so good!"

                                              Break out of either of those stereotypes a tiny bit, and the friendliness disappears.

                                              [–]Nlyles2Real Nigga Alert 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Mmm. Speak that truth fam. Speak it.

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                                                [–]DownvoteDaemonChauncii's best friend ☺️👬💕 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                I thought white people loved asians?

                                                http://imgur.com/jF0JuY4

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                                                  [–]delfec 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Asians are the least likely to commit violent crime. Where is the evidence that the cop shot him because of prejudice or because he wasn't white?

                                                  How many people here know that whites are more likely to be shot by police than blacks?

                                                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-and-blacks-is-so-controversial/

                                                  [–]theHawkmooner 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Fucking retards in this sub

                                                  [–]Leash_Me_Blue 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Nothing funny here

                                                  Sure, it's bad, but mods, he's literally confessing to breaking rules of the subreddit. Why even have rules if you won't enforce them?

                                                  [–]MarkTheitchybutthole 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Genuine question, what does this have to do with white people? All I see is an Asian kid who was wrongfully killed and a post that says it's not a black person. Once again, a totally genuine question.

                                                  [–]AMajesticAlpaca 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/bubbly-kid-was-fatally-shot-by-king-county-deputy-hours-before-high-school-graduation/ How about you read the fucking article, this kid received warning shots from the home owner and was stabbing the door. It was around midnight so obviously they thought he had a knife, what else would you stab with? He also charged the officers, they thought he had a knife at this point, what do you expect? Read the fucking article next time and stop screaming racism at every little thing.

                                                  [–]GoForBroke07 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  The post title is very "problematic".

                                                  "Just remember that it doesn't matter what color you are if you're not white"

                                                  Aka "So we should make sure to care for all colors of people when they are wronged by police. Except white people..fuck em cuz they deserve it."

                                                  [–]joric6 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  You people need to stop blindly believing every tweet that gets posted here.

                                                  A few days ago you defended a guy who took a cop's gun and shot him in the face, now this, it's clear there are a lot of users here trying to push a narrative.

                                                  [–]Racorse 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  This is so racist.

                                                  [–]Hurricane12112 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  So what you're saying is.... #AllLivesMatter? The shit that white folks have been saying for years but everyone gets up in arms about?

                                                  [–]stew5k 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Yep that's all what white cops want is to shoot non white minors just because they can

                                                  [–]scotty757 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Clearly Asian men are dangerous even with just a pen. Source Jackie chan movies. /s

                                                  This is unfortunate. I'm sick of shit like this happening. Perhaps it's time to raise the bar to become a cop.

                                                  [–]FlyingVhee 152 ポイント153 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  It wasn't his race, it was his behavior. Everyone here is on a cop-bashing trip when this kid was high off his ass, threatening people, and stabbing at their doors.

                                                  Around midnight, three deputies were summoned by several 911 calls about a man with a sharp object, maybe a knife, threatening people in the 13600 block of Third Avenue South in Burien. One home­owner told dispatchers he had fired his handgun into the ground, hoping to scare off the man — later identified as Le.

                                                  When Le continued to approach, the homeowner fled back inside his house. Le, who was barefoot, then pounded on the door and stabbed it, screaming he was “the Creator,” according to the King County Sheriff’s Office.

                                                  http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/bubbly-kid-was-fatally-shot-by-king-county-deputy-hours-before-high-school-graduation/

                                                  [–]azGRIMES 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Around midnight, three deputies were summoned by several 911 calls about a man with a sharp object, maybe a knife, threatening people in the 13600 block of Third Avenue South in Burien. One home­owner told dispatchers he had fired his handgun into the ground, hoping to scare off the man — later identified as Le. When Le continued to approach, the homeowner fled back inside his house. Le, who was barefoot, then pounded on the door and stabbed it, screaming he was “the Creator,” according to the King County Sheriff’s Office. Deputies confronted Le, who refused commands to drop “what they thought was a knife,” said sheriff’s spokeswoman Sgt. Cindi West. Two deputies fired their Tasers, with one of them hitting Le. But it had no effect, she said. When Le reportedly moved toward deputies, a deputy shot him three times. He died at Harborview Medical Center.

                                                  Read this before commenting.

                                                  [–]feminism_ls_cancer 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Posts like these make me wish there was a secret white society that got to oppress ignorant fuckers like OP and a lot of the commenters here

                                                  [–]luker_man 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                  The #AllLivesMatter crowd is awfully silent.

                                                  [–]10J18R1A 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  White people are also killed by cops but they're not killed because they're white.

                                                  Class is ALSO an issue but inserting it into race conversations is evidence of fragility regarding race conversations.

                                                  And y'all really need to stop think it's just backwards ass poor white towns in the south that are racist. John Crawford was killed in Beavercreek , OH, a relatively affluent suburb of Dayton close to an Air Force base and a number of liberal universities. Tamir Rice was killed in fucking CLEVELAND, which is as separate from Riner, Virginia as L.A. is. Some of the most racist utterances have come from people who would get horribly offended at being called racist because they only say nigga during rap songs and haven't joined the clan.

                                                  Police brutality and authoritarianism impacts everybody (obviously more some than others), but ACCEPTANCE of authoritarianism is only made possible by racism. And again, not just by neonazi's in some bunker in the Ozarks, but by comments by people such as some of the ones being made in this thread.

                                                  [–]mrtransisteur 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  it bugs me that race is often treated as a bigger issue than class.

                                                  Race is a vague fabrication, just a socially-motivated distinction. People actually believe that their assumptions about massive groups of people are always justified when applied to an individual in it, de facto. The assumption is even lazier when applied in the reverse direction.

                                                  And the people who think genetics proves race exists are breathtakingly stupid. Individuals are simply vastly more divergent than racists care to admit. Mutation is literally the name of the game. Sure, family differences actually exist, haplogroups too, but races only reflect the most recent of environmental adaptations, cultural opinions, wealth, and history. So-called "race realists" actually believe that struggling in society is just the result of low quality cellular blueprints ...

                                                  Class on the other hand is easily measurable and directly determines how much society will be willing to do for a person. It sets a person's acceptable levels of exploitation, and whatever unacceptable exploitation they are forced to face, anyway. imo racism is mostly a subset of class relations as a whole.

                                                  If a cop feels threatened by someone minding their own business, it's because they feel that person must somehow be on the wrong side of the law, and the person is an aggressive outlaw because they want to harm society for their own benefit. Clearly, the benefit of killing a threatening person who is sure to inflict damage on society as a whole (or the cop) probably outweighs the minimal value of life lost outside of institutional values, so the cop is likely to feel vindicated, or at least that they will not be punished if mistaken. It basically follows the logic of an investment, like the cop has exclusive property rights to another person's life the same way a business owner has the rights to what their employees produce because they run the organization. Anybody trying to defend violence against a policeman preemptively attacking in the name of self-defense will be laughed at all the way to their jail cell.

                                                  [–]ChudFuckingOne 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Idk alot of people get shot by the cops, regardless of color, scared cops... I think the problem lies in their training.

                                                  [–]jayo53 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  He shouldn't have done drugs.

                                                  [–]procrastination55 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  not to completely detract from this, but I don't understand why him being asian directly relates to being shot. The substantive claim behind blm is that black people are shot disproportionately more often than other races. This takes into account a whole bunch of black shootings to justify this claim.

                                                  From just this info presented, all I've learned is one asian kid was wrongly shot by police. But the whole argument with blm is a bunch of data points to justify their claim, but this is just a single data point? Who is to say that this kind wasn't subject to the same probability as a white kid of getting shot, and this single time it happened to him? If you're talking about a single incident there is no point in using statistics. statistically improbable shit happen everyday.

                                                  Now if this was present with a slew of attacks from police against asians, that is the argument necessary for this to be a legitimate claim, in my opinion.

                                                  [–]RicardoGains 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Not all cops are white and not all whites are cops. It's an issue with police not white people. Causation vs correlation. Yes it's a problem but not all white people suffer from a mental handicap which inhibits rational thinking. It's cops. Cops, not white people. That's what makes me mad. You wouldn't blame all asians when one decides to drive bad or all black people when one steals your bike. (I'm using stereotypes as an example since white people and cops are a huge stereotype). Cops in America are overpowered and lack a significant amount of training to match the power they are given. We should address training and the overall lack of oversight with our police forces. Protect and serve my ass.

                                                  [–]nschaefer4 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  The police in the US has killed 991 people in 2015. In Germany, which is 1/4 of the size of the USA but pretty comparable from an economic perspective, the police has killed 10 people in that same timespan. But there is obviously no problem with police brutality or gun violence to be found.

                                                  [–]Sneuk 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  BlackPeopleCNN

                                                  [–]Koreanjesus9000 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Hopefully a video comes out but the way I understand it is that he was stabbing someone's door with the pen, and then was tazed and continued to charge the cop. I doubt that's true but if it is I gotta say he had it coming.

                                                  [–]Dabawaba 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  I'm Korean, but I feel that all minorities gotta stick together, treat each other like they're of our same skin tone. I see black, muslim, mexican, japanese, and the rest of you motherfuckers as family. Don't fight white people, fight hate. that's our enemy, and hate comes in many different skin colors.

                                                  [–][deleted] 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  and hate comes in many different skin colors.

                                                  Good luck telling BPT that. Ha!

                                                  [–]TCanada808 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Keeping my personal opinions aside, It's good to see that about over 80% of the comments here are decent conversations between two sides that disagree with one another. There's a shitty comment here and there, but from what I've seen on other parts of reddit there's been some really good discussion going on in this thread.

                                                  [–]pandamaster2 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  The worst thing minorities can do is blame one another about the injustice in the system

                                                  [–]itstheclamburglar 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  here before the inevitable lock

                                                  edit: also go to hell OP

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