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[–]demyrial 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (7子コメント)

One thought that occurs to me on this subject: We already know that the rampant pharmaceutical backwash in many of our streams & riverways is screwing with the reproductive apparatus of many environmentally-sensitive species of fish, amphibians, and other wildlife. Changing sexes, making some sexless altogether, just some sad and scary mutations being inflicted on these species. So if that's true then I can't help but think that eventually there'd be similar effects on some human fetuses. Such as causing a short-circuting during the early development of sex organs. Maybe a lot of these people are the sex they truly think they are. But their bodies were getting mixed signals during fetal growth, and came out 'wrong'. They know it, even if they cant explain it to others, they know something isn't right.

I dont know to what extent this is the case, but it's just something to keep in mind in the debate. They might just be victims of our toxic-decaying, throw-away, low-vibration culture.

[–]birdman5000 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think all the chemicals in the environment are affecting sexual and psychosexual development. It's hard not to think this. Regardless, we're all living in this soup we've created. And the trans issue brings up the general design error/problem of our systems designs sticking people in one category or another often in arbitrary ways.

[–]420fuckreddit420 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

regardless, the presence of testosterone during periods of brain development cause specific areas of the brain to develop differently than the same areas on women, our brains are literally different. We evolved with our culture to make society the way it is now for a reason

[–]birdman5000 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

there are windows of development that, if the ingredients aren't there at the exact right time, don't go optimally. so i'd agree on the testosterone thing.

re: evolution. meh. we've evolved to use fractally hierarchical thinking in most of our systems of thought and governance. i'd argue that this is Bad Design. just because it provided easier models for people to understand doesn't mean it's an accurate way to think about stuff. it's not. it's suboptimal. i don't think continuing the errors of this general philosophy will work out, at all. that we've carried on in this mentally disabled fashion has just made our systems evolve stupidly too. that's not an optimization - that's just continuing along a bad path. and that's all gotta change.

[–]LDLover 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this is something that should be explored.

[–]zerton [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Plastics have also been proven to affect sex hormones like estrogen. We've created a major environmental problem.

[–]Electric_Socket 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Rather than creating dozens of additional gender categories, maybe we should expand our concept of what a man is, or what a woman is?

Its all about segregation and labeling these days.

In every fucking imaginable field.

[–]Natums87 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The more groups we can be divided into, the less chance we can unite as a people.

[–]Stopwatch064 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I feel like very often when you say something controversial online, people will use some silly buzzword label[s] to immediately dismiss you. I see it right in this post. People saying "go back to T_D", "this is a right-wing circlejerk", or "you must be one of those muh ess jay dwuubs people". Here I am almost defending T_D a sub I absolutely hate lol. People who post here on conspiracy, barring very new users, are probably familiar with posters being called a "truther" by someone who then proceeds to ignore everything you post and make facetious comments.

[–]birdman5000 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (144子コメント)

Sex = what you're born with

Gender = artificial construct, so who gives a fuck

Telling people how to dress = imposing your fashion standards on others, so who gives a fuck

Restroom Signs = artificial construct. perhaps it's time to label restroom services around their actual function (ie. wheelchair accessible, urinals, toilets, diaper change, etc.). not really that hard a problem to solve.

[–]Electric_Socket 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (21子コメント)

If it's just an artificial construct then why are they so worried about it,

Enough to go through body modification surgeries

[–]apricotasd1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If it's just an artificial construct then why are they so worried about it,

Because they're worried about sex. Trasngendered individuals are misnamed in that people are really discussing transsexuals.

Trans folk don't want to change gender through surgery. They change sex.

[–]snapple_es_bueno 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you! All I know is that if I woke up tomorrow with the wrong parts, I would be hella pissed off and there's no way in hell I would start living as a woman just because I suddenly had woman parts.

BUT as a grammar Nazi with sensitivity to Orwell's warnings, it drives me nuts that they choose to sacrifice meaning in order to sound more polite. I can't even explain why, but that scares the hell out of me.

[–]aintnotroll [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

there's no way in hell I would start living as a woman just because I suddenly had woman parts.

How exactly would you be living differently?

[–]privatelameass 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

nobody, i repeat nobody changes sex. They do not become fully functioning and able to reproduce so no, they do not change sex. This is purely 'social identity' and mental illness.

[–]txstoploss [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

change sex

An impossibility. Whatever Mengele-ian butchery and endocrine poisoning is applied, not one cell of the "Trans folk" in question has its chromosomes changed.

[–]birdman5000 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If it's just an artificial construct then why are they so worried about it,

Enough to go through body modification surgeries

Why does anyone do anything? If it's their own choice what difference does it make to others? Who is to tell other adults how they should be?

If you're asking why someone transitions from one gender expression to another, if gender is a social construct and what's the big deal anyway, who the hell knows. People are weird.

[–]Electric_Socket 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Theirs no "free-will" before 18 is there?

Cannot drink alcohol but can totally cut my dick off.

[–]aintnotroll [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not like you can hop over to the auto shop to get your dick chopped off whether you're under 18 or older.

[–]Breadloafs 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Why are you so worried about it? Why does anyone actually care about this shit?

I cannot for the life of me figure out why "minding your own fucking business" is something people are having trouble understanding in the year of our lord two-thousand-and-seventeen.

[–]IthAConthpirathee 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Mind your own business he says.

How does it affect you he says.

If it doesn't affect us and it's none of our business why are they trying so hard to shove it in our faces and try to force us to accept it?

[–]Natums87 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because they view it as a symptom of a diseased society. Not saying I agree, but that's why it matters to them. It makes perfect sense why they would care about this. It's coming from a place of concern and compassion not bigotry.

Edit: Tldr; people are chopping their dicks off

[–]Electric_Socket -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because at one point it will effect someone around you.

People with your thinking will just wait until it happens to you?

[–]Breadloafs 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

just wait until it happens to you?

Until what happens to me? Is someone going to hold me down and take off my penis with a carving knife? How are transgender people going to impact my life in any significant way?

[–]TucanSamBitch 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Technically money is an artificial construct, but almost everyone is worried about it

[–]HiveNoGears 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mental illness and desperation. Same reason people take prozac zoloft etc.

[–]Ickyfist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Restroom Signs = artificial construct

The point of specific bathrooms based on sex is because 1) different sexes have different needs and 2) privacy. Most men don't want bathrooms to have little girls walking in seeing a dude's junk and most women don't like having a creepy dude come in and watch them do their makeup or change their baby or take a dump.

If some people desperately want a bathroom where they can pretend to be whatever sex they want along with others and there is enough demand and money for that then make unisex bathrooms as well. But there is a very good reason that there are both male and female bathrooms. And people pretending they don't have a dick or vagina can't expect other people to go along with their delusion if it disrupts their comfort in doing their private business.

[–]Sarcasticus 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (43子コメント)

Gender = artificial construct, so who gives a fuck

False. Gender roles were created over hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. The idea that "gender is a social construct" is postmodernist bullshit, perpetuated by communists, not rooted in reality.

[–]Natums87 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is confusing the term "artificial construct" with "social construct" as well as wrongly assuming that "social construct" means "arbitrary".

[–]beholderkin 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (6子コメント)

And those gender roles evolved differently within each society, many of which included more than two genders and sometimes not even including physical sex in their gender roles.

The postmodernist bullshit, as you call it, is just recognizing that the way we have treated gender is not the way that it has been done historically throughout the world.

[–]BakingTheCookiesRigh 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's recognizing that we have a lot of assumptions based on cultural and historical context. Just because something is dominating the belief system doesn't mean it is universal or inherently the only way.

[–]rabbits_dig_deep[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

many of which included more than two genders

Please list them.

[–]birdman5000 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sure people adapt to their social function. Males would adapt in some ways. Females in another. That's fine. We live in a world where we can choose how we want to adapt now. Maintaining expectations of people because they were born with a certain sex when those expectations are rooted in perpetuation of designs just because we're used to them is artificial. Let people continue to adapt how they'd like. The circumstances are different. The design constraints are different.

If you're articulating the idea that we've evolved functional designs that work at raising kids right, and breaking those designs will fuck kids up, then the discussion is a different one. Even in this situation change will be driven by adaptation and trying new things. That's how it should be. The debate as to what influences a child needs in its development is different from the debate about outward expression and the implicit responsibilities placed upon people because of what sex they were born with.

If the debate ain't about the kids, then there's really nothing to debate. Free will n shit. Live and let live. People will arrange themselves how they'd like and decide what works for them.

[–]Natums87 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Posts like this are the reason I come to this forum.

[–]BrandonMarlowe 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

False. "Gender is a social construct" is simply an expression of the fact that the label "gender" is applied to ideas that are socially constructed. It can't be argued because it is not a claim but a definition.

Your post is just TPTB constructed right-wing twattery and you slavishly follow it. They change the "right" color for boys and girls between pink and blue and you treat it like it is some hallowed religious truth.

[–]Natums87 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree with you but to say you can't argue a definition is asinine. All a definition is is a claim that "this means this".

[–]yourepenis 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Nah not really. Men used to be gatherers, women used to be hunters. Some men opted to take care if children instead of providing. A family doesnt raise children, a village does. Most peoples children spend much more of their time with other people than they do their parents, especially once schooling starts.

[–]Electric_Socket 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, Abraham Lincoln the Vampire hunter clearly announced it one day and it was accepted as gospel henceforth.

[–]Dysnomi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sexual dimorphism allegedly predates gender roles by billions of years.

Gender roles do exist among indigenous tribes the world over. Many of whom have more than two genders.

[–]retroshark 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is just what the gay-neo-ultra-liberals want you to think! Its a conspiracy to degrade the morals of the human race so we can become better slaves to the establishment! Don't listen to their nonsense! /s

[–]pby1000 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You should have left the /s tag off. Have you listened to the Aaron Russo interview where he discusses the Rockefeller Foundation and women's liberation?

[–]comebackjoeyjojo 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Let's remember the true motivation for posts like this : Bigots now get a backlash for attacking gays, and have moved on to Trans because there is still a large percentage of the population uncomfortable with the concept. It used to be fashionable to claim gays were mentally ill and once they stopped being gross degenerates and marry a nice person of the opposite sex then everything would be just swell (many still feel that way). This type of right-wing thinking is really concern trolling to normalize hatred of a minority.

[–]Natums87 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think some people just get more concerned when people are spending huge sums of money to have dangerous surgery. If OP is right, then those people need mental help, not enabling. I can't help but compare it to people with body dismorohic disorders. Please explain how that is different? I am very open minded but I can't seem to get past this one point.

To clarify tho, no 2 trans people probably have the exact same situation. There HAVE to be situations where being trans had a rational explanation, like the wrong choice being made at birth (hermaphrodite), or some biological difference.

You don't think those are reasonable concerns?

[–]comebackjoeyjojo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think those may be legitimate concerns, in some situations, but there people who argue about this in bad faith, to normalize bigotry against all trans people.

[–]NoNameAnarchist -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not even sure why this discussion is being had in 2017. The 80's called they want their bigotry back. lol

[–]Natums87 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

since when has bigotry ever needed so desperately to be pointed out to be seen?

Try adding something to the discussion. It's not that simple. I can assure you I am in no way a bigot, and never have been, but I get stuck in this issue.

Why not try to educate the people who really are concerned by this enough to take the time to start a discussion about it.

[–]GoTomArrow 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Gender = Grammatical concept.

[–]birdman5000 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

great comment. language and how it constrains our perceptions of things is an underdiscussed topic.

[–]GoTomArrow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is also true - but what I meant is that the word "gender" was originally used in a grammatical context for words - female/male/neutrum

[–]TokyoVardy 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

2 genders.

The rest is sexual kinks and occasional deformity

[–]dotlinefever3 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Stop making sense. It's not allowed here.

[–]aaaaa2222 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why are people like you even here if the only comments you know how to leave are ones that openly mock the subreddit?

And why the hell were you being upvoted for it?

Don't worry, these are rhetorical questions. We know the answers.

[–]willsyboy1 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (56子コメント)

Whilst I understand the message of this post, I think that until you experience gender dysphoria yourself its very easy to point at someone and say 'you don't need surgery or hormones'. Most of us can't know whats best for transgender people because we have no idea what its like to be transgender.

[–]Outofmany 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (43子コメント)

It could, very realistically, also be considered a mental illness because you actually can't determine if it's any different from the guy who thinks he's Jesus, can you? Particularly when you use the word 'dysphoria' which is defined as a mood and is treated with psychotherapy. Oh but wait facts and things are just a symptom of male power.

[–]privatelameass 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It is considered a mental illness.

[–]artsez 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Gender dysphoria is considered a mental illness being transgender is not. There's a subtle difference there. You can treat gender dysphoria but not with Psychotherapy or Christian praying to God conversion quackery. You can really only alleviate it by embracing the gender identity and doing what needs to be done to assuage gender dysphoria, which often involves a social transition at the least and sometimes taking hormones and surgery. This is the current medical understanding of transgenderism based on studies which have resulted in people's lives being destroyed by attempts to change them from transgender to cisgender AND change cisgender people to transgender. These studies are no longer considered ethical or permissible to do. Because people died. Trying to change a person's gender can be lethal.

If you think about it you too could experience gender dysphoria if somebody forced you to change your gender presentation. In this case, what would be the mental disorder you are underlying gender or the unease that you feel by the mismatch between what you present and your underlying gender? A mental issue is only considered to be a disorder if it distresses the patient. In your case, we would not try to change your gender to match the way you being forced to are dress and act. If we did that, it would cause you serious harm. What we want to do is treat what's causing the distress for you-your gender dysphoria. The way to do that would be to allow you to return to presenting your gender the way you used to before we forced you to change. Once your gender presentation (your body and your social interactions) match your gender identity again, your gender dysphoria will be gone. You would no longer have and mental disorder. The distress is gone.

[–]Natums87 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sounds like a lot of fancy terminology to mask what is, at its roots, an ineffective way to address this.

[–]Letterbocks 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

. You can treat gender dysphoria but not with Psychotherapy or Christian praying to God conversion quackery. You can really only alleviate it by embracing the gender identity

Citation fucking needed.

[–]AkoTehPanda [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You can really only alleviate it by embracing the gender identity and doing what needs to be done to assuage gender dysphoria, which often involves a social transition at the least and sometimes taking hormones and surgery.

That's not true though is it.

Because plenty of studies show that a significant portion of those who experience gender dysphoria essentially 'grow out of it' as they go through puberty. So it can be alleviated in some cases simply by doing absolutely nothing.

Yet, for some reason, those who go on puberty blockers seem to transition at a rate of 100%.

This means that we have two distinct possibilities:

  1. Psychology can perfectly determine which dysphorics will need to transition and which will grow out of it through puberty and only prescribe blockers to the first group.

  2. There exists a complex system in which the process of blocking puberty creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I can assure you that the first situation is not the case. Hell, only 15.8% GID cases actually persist through puberty. We can't even diagnose depression with anywhere near 100% accuracy, in some cases people who have been depressed for decades and been through many different treatments and doctors are then later rediagnosed and successfully treated for a different disorder.

The very idea that transgenderism is diagnosable to 100% accuracy is far to good to be true, when things are far to good to be true, you go back and rerun your numbers to find the problem. Nothing is psychology is 100% accurate. Fuck,very, very few things in any medical field are even close to 100%.

Which is of course where you correctly define the issue:

These studies are no longer considered ethical or permissible to do. Because people died. Trying to change a person's gender can be lethal.

This is the problem. We cannot know for certain why something things happen, because the only way to test them is to engage in experiments which are horrific, both morally and ethically.

However, that doesn't mean that question can't be asked, or even answered, indirectly. Yet this is not happening. The questions are instead shut down, avoided, and those who dare mention the fact are ridiculed and their careers often crushed.

Basically the problem isn't that questions can't be answered. It's that the questions are not allowed. The questions here are really: why is the transition rate after puberty blockers 100% when GID depersists in over 80% of sufferers? Because it's lunacy to think that we can diagnose transgenderism to a complete medical certainty without any kind of biomarker or even a strong understanding of what it is.

The ethics aren't the issue here. It's politics.

You would no longer have and mental disorder. The distress is gone.

I'm sure that there is a segment of the populace who genuinely are transgender. For them, transitioning is likely to be the only solution. What I don't agree with is taking children, chucking them on puberty blockers which results in 100% of them transition even though 80% ought to desist following puberty.

The most logical explanation for that difference is simple: the social, environmental and chemical changes force the child to transition. Whether they are okay with the transition after the fact is completely irrelevant. Right now, we are treating children and inducing massive physical and psychological changes in them without understanding at all what they are suffering from.

[–]RuCu52 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (20子コメント)

What you are referring to with someone thinking they are Jesus is a state of psychosis. Dysphoria is totally different! You can't just write trans people off by comparing them to people with legitimate mental health issues. Gender dysphoria is a severely uncomfortable feeling of unease within your gender. It's NOT something that can be easily explained, but as a trans woman I am here to say it's real and very serious. So you can fuck right the fuck off with your psychobabble bs!

[–]WeAreTheSheeple 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (17子コメント)

What does it 'feel like' to be a man or a woman? I think I'd feel the same regardless of what gender I am.

[–]Changinggirl 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think I'd feel the same

Yeah, meanwhile all transgender people are proving you wrong but you'd rather assume they have wrong motivations and intentions than look at your own point of view and challenge it.

[–]TheWiredWorld 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

And you'd rather aquiesce to people's feelings and emotions instead of scientific analysis, to reap social justice points.

[–]Changinggirl 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, where is your scientific analysis :)) I'll happily read it.

[–]Kolyin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Scientific analysis? Where? I see a lot of justification for old-school prejudice, and not much science.

[–]WeAreTheSheeple 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What is feeling like a man or woman though? Most of the things that separate males from females is social constructs like hobbies (minus the obvious sex organs, hormones and chromosome.)

[–]artsez 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How do you know what you would feel like? I'll tell you how. If you are a man I want you to imagine having a body that's female. I want you to imagine having to wear women's clothes. Your name is female now. You have female hobbies and interests. You have to follow female stereotypes to a certain extent or you'll start to get some negative feedback from friends family and co-workers. Every time you talk to somebody and they call you ma'am they call you she or her. They treat you like a woman. In every interaction there are different expectations for you than there used to be because people see you differently. It's inescapable you are reminded constantly of how you look and how people think you are. It doesn't matter how you feel inside. It doesn't matter that you know you are really a man. It does not matter because to them you are female.

If you would get frustrated with this experience or maybe a little depressed or maybe a little anxious or just generally feel down you would be pretty fucking normal. It's normal to react with negative emotions to a frustrating situation where your personality and personal identity are erased and your life is out of your control. After all being male is part of your personality. You think like a man. You have a male sex drive. You have more masculine interests, on average, than you would have if you'd been a woman. You're used to walking through the world like a man. You want people to see you for who you are not how you look. You want to be able to look in the mirror and not see breasts (unless perhaps they're on your partner). That is gender dysphoria.

Now you can definitely put this experiment into action if you're still curious, but I want to warn you, it can be a harrowing experience mentally. There are cisgender people, non-transgender people, who have been forced to live in a different gender because of medical mistakes or just terrible parenting. It usually ends very poorly, just like when transgender people are forced to live in the wrong gender. If I were you, I would not try it

[–]WeAreTheSheeple 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of what you listed seems to be mainly social constructs though apart from the sex drive and breasts.

I'm in the agreement of OP. We should be exploring the different male and female personalities. Not changing gender because you 'feel' more masculine or feminine.

[–]Natums87 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am trying so hard to understand your argument but it is legit confusing. You are using the term gender dysphoria but not as being a mental illness?

[–]rabbits_dig_deep[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Agreed. If you think you're 3 years old when you're 30, if you think you're Napoleon, if you think you're the Queen of Sheba but you're actually Hal who works in accounting, you have a mental illness. Thinking you're a woman when you have a penis is no different.

[–]RuCu52 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Goly gee...you sure are smart! insert sarcasm

I'm not claiming to be 3 when I'm 30, I'm not claiming to be Napoleon, I'm not claiming to be Queen of Sheba.... the dysphoria that I felt since I was a little kid was VERY real! There are countless different species that don't fit into your perfect little definition of "penis=male". Do some research on clownfish and the numerous other types of biodiversity on this planet and you will see that just because YOU don't understand something doesn't give you the right to make a declaration as bold as "you have a mental disorder".

You don't even know me and I would go so far as to say you probably don't know any trans people with ignorant statements such as yours.

[–]tinman3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Name 1 mammal that is not born with a gender please.

[–]OniExpress 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The closest to that is going to be the hyena, the females of which have an enlarged "clitoris" which arguably shouldn't be called that as it both can attain erections for sexual penetration as well as is urinated through (which in an of itself is one of the core differences between the anatomy of a clitoris versus a penis), as well as an external scrotum. Female hyenas are so physiologically "not female" that childbirth has amazingly high mortality rates, as they're just no longer designed to have children.

[–]tinman3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Right, still male and female though. I think my point is that humans and mammals in general are clearly designed to have 2 specific genders, decided at birth. Nature proves this.

[–]OniExpress 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, now that argument gets a little tricky due to a pair of reasons: first off, literally every other category has numerous cases of organisms being able to biologically shift from male to female (and back again) for various reasons, and in comparison mammals have some of the least robust biological systems (most other categories of life display examples of full regenerative capability, even a lack of aging past maturity or functional immortality).

Humans are also the only sentient mammal, and thus the only species of mammal capable of expressing a state of body dysplasia. Scientifically speaking, this can entirely lend an argument to the fact that mammals may have the neurological wiring similar to non mammals that triggers gender switching, but lack the physiology to effect the change naturally. Of course since we don't currently have an eye into the minds of species capable of this it's not a fully developed thesis, but it is a rational one that we don't currently have the ability to progress further in.

Early mammalian evolution and natural selection may have resulted in compromises; development of larger socially cooperative groups could lead to this of being less and less of a beneficial trait, and mammal biology has leaned more towards robust and adaptable organisms versus those more suited for survival in niche environments (which places more weight on regenerative capabilities, metabolisms better suited to survive lean periods, and due to smaller populations the ability to change gender when required for survival).

[–]TheHoboExpress 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean female hyenas have penises...

[–]Natums87 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there an valid argument buried in this post somewhere?

[–]Electric_Socket 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Depends on the age tbh.

Kids under 20 should absolutely not be allowed to use such powerful drugs.

[–]rustyblackhart 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What a person chooses to do with their own body is no one's business but their own. If they aren't hurting other people, mind your own business. If they come to regret transitioning, that's on them. There have always been people who identify in a way that is culturally/biologically abnormal (and transgenderism is abnormal in a strictly statistical sense) and in general they haven't hurt other people. The only difference today is that we have the technology to allow certain groups of these people affect physical change.

You are free to disagree, you are free to hold whatever beliefs you want on the topic. Regardless, to participate in society you have to tolerate people's personal choices that aren't harming you because you need the same tolerance. It's how we survive. You cannot treat someone differently because you disagree with their personal choices. It's just not sustainable. When you make a big stink over a group of people that make up less than a fraction of 1% of all people, you sound dumb. Their existence is not threatening your "family unit".

That said, turning your personal identity choices into an ideology and creating a political movement out of a minuscule diversion from biological normality is no different from this OP ranting about their beliefs.

You shouldn't be fighting for trans-rights, you should be fighting for equal rights. However, that's not what has been happening in recent years. What has happened is a movement that people call "progressive" has been turned into an ideology that looks like religious zealotry. While it seems like a great notion, it has become extremely bigoted, which is what was presumably being fought against in the first place. This isn't all minorities, of course. Each person is an individual with individual feelings and beliefs. But vocal members of the movement are extremely bigoted against the majority and as a whole the movement does not denounce this behavior which makes it complicit.

It's easy to understand why OP has become "radicalized" against something that really isn't their business. It's easy to understand why progressive Hillary lost to freaking Donald Trump of all people (like seriously, Donald Trump, lol). It's easy to understand why OP thinks the family unit is being destroyed. It's easy to understand why people are concerned over children being radicalized into this progressive religion. Because the new progressive religion is disproportionately represented in the media narrative. In reality, most people are sick of the nonsense spewed from a small number of bigoted people who are playing the victim (often times for a paycheck). Our actual progress toward an egalitarian society is being set back by this false narrative.

As a final note, when I say you have to tolerate people, that means that you can't discriminate against or harm them. But, at the same time you can't be thin skinned and get upset when people run their mouths. It is a person's right to speak and it is your right to say "fuck off". Does that mean you should bully or be bullied (this goes for everyone, because there is serious bullying/harassment on both sides)? Absolutely not. But is OP being a bully because of their perspective? Absolutely not.

[–]WeAreTheSheeple 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Bingo. We are who we are. What does feeling like a boy / man or a girl / woman feel like anyway? I think I'd still feel like me regardless of gender.

[–]Kolyin 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Have you ever talked to a trans person to find out how they feel?

[–]throwawaydoll6969 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Wrong. Part of 'feeling like me' includes my anatomy, my biological make up. I wouldn't feel like 'me' with breasts and a uterus and a period that comes once per month. I wouldn't even feel like me if I woke up and my lips were too thin, and my nose was flat and slanted and my eyes were too far apart. If I woke up a different race and gender (because let's take it this far) I would literally just be a new person. Every single person in this world would treat me differently. I mean, there are some core aspects and values that I have that are important to me, but so much would change because I wouldn't be the me I was before. Your body is a part of you, a very big part of you, and that's why when our bodies change, we perceive ourselves, and the world, differently, and vice-versa. If you went from attractive- to unattractive, from able-bodied, to paraplegic, you would change.

You know those movies where people switch bodies, or they wake up one day in a new body and when they return, they all of a sudden have this new perspective? That's their core being changing. Their mind opening up because they've walked in someone else's shoes.

People are very misguided. Your body is your temple. And I think there is way too much propaganda trying to convince people that they should not feel connected to their bodies.

"Feeling like a boy" or "feeling like a girl" is stupid because being a boy or girl is different for every male and female (sex).

EDIT: Feeling masculine or feminine, however, is very distinct and anyone can feel it, that's the fucking shit that everyone has mixed up, excuse my language.

[–]WeAreTheSheeple [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, what does it 'feel' like to be masculine or feminine?

[–]ILoveJuices 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

People are going to realize their brains have been fucked by xeno-estrogens in about 30 years.

[–]RuCu52 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (51子コメント)

It's your favorite conspiratorial trans woman here to chime in....I think you're ridiculous! Until you have experienced the extreme dysphoric feelings regarding your gender...you will never understand how it feels. You and others can say it's ridiculous, has no scientific basis, blah, blah, blah until the cows come home, but that does NOT negate what I and others have struggled through. Your personal opinions of us does not change the fact that we struggle with this on a deeply profound level. Why do you think the suicide rate within the transgender community is so high? Because it's people like you who are so quick and ready to negate our experience and write us off as "crazy" and "ridiculous".

Historically, trans people have NEVER had a place in society and we are simply trying to make a place for ourselves so that we can live our lives just like you have an opportunity to live yours.

[–]lily_levasseur 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Historically, trans people have NEVER had a place in society and we are simply trying to make a place for ourselves so that we can live our lives just like you have an opportunity to live yours.

This.

I don't understand why there is such a widespread need to focus on trans people now anyway. What difference does it make to me if another person feels the need to make changes to him/herself in order to feel more grounded with who they are? It's a personal decision, not a societal issue. All of this hoopla recently feels incredibly invasive & ridiculously petty.

I feel like everyone who isn't trans just needs to stfu with all these sweeping generalizations & let trans individuals do what every other individual does. We all create ourselves through our outward appearance to varying degrees. Why is all this hyperbolic conversation even in play? Both sides of this incessant argument are acting like Gladys Kravitz and it's annoying af.

[–]Slomogotoslo 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Most people stayed out of it until the normalization/push for confused kids from 12-16 years old to take hormones. The human brain doesn't fully develop until 25.

Make your own mistakes as an adult

[–]artsez 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There isn't a push to give children hormones. You're being misled by the media. Let me guess, do you watch Fox or read conservative media?

The actual process of transition for teens involves only hormone blockers until either their parents are certain and their doctors are certain that they actually are trans or they reached the age of majority and decide to take hormones. They're not handing hormones out like candy. It's very controlled.

Plus studies that were done in the past that showed transgender children changing their minds by the time they were adults were so poorly formed that they included kids who like to play with GI Joes or Barbies and kids that today we would recognize we're simply tom boys or nelly. Newer studies show there's very little change as a trans child reaches adulthood.

Plus we also know there is a very low rate of regret for taking hormones and an even lower rate of regret for surgery. The regret rate for surgery in trans people is much lower than the rate of regret for people who aren't transgender and get plastic surgeries.

[–]lily_levasseur 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I get the part about kids. I feel like it's the individual family's responsibility to deal with those issues as they see fit. At no point should there be interference from any government entity. It's no one's business outside the household.

[–]Slomogotoslo 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Trans as a child should not be an option just like drinking isn't an option until 21.

The family can give the child some alcohol but if he is drinking all the time society will step in and say hey, "That is not right."

In your world child abuse is legal

[–]RuCu52 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Give me a fucking break with this "child abuse" argument! If a child, your child, is telling you that they are in distress and suffering from gender dysphoria...it's abuse and neglectful to allow them to continue to suffer unfairly. For someone who is trans, like myself, to have their body go through the wrong puberty and watch as they develop male characteristics when they really are a girl is horrifying!

[–]Electric_Socket 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

"My 8 year old boy chose a Wonder Woman doll instead of a Batman model"

Clearly I must line him up on powerful drugs for the next 20 years.

body go through the wrong puberty and watch as they develop male characteristics when they really are a girl is horrifying!

For the body it absolutely is the right puberty btw.

Not that "he" would be left with much of "him" after that long.

[–]RuCu52 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And that's perfectly fine if he chose the Wonder Woman toy. Who said anything about that being the be all, end all deciding factor that "Yup, he's trans!"

The child knows if he/she is comfortable in their gender or not. You are projecting a severely exaggerated hypothetical onto a very serious condition.

[–]Electric_Socket 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The child knows if he/she is comfortable in their gender or not.

at 8 years old?

[–]lily_levasseur 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"My 8 year old boy chose a Wonder Woman doll instead of a Batman model"

Clearly I must line him up on powerful drugs for the next 20 years.

This is the stupidest argument ever. Where is your source for this quote? You are hopelessly brainwashed if you believe this is how the average parent makes decisions. What you are inferring here is that people are so fucking dumb, they need the government to make parental decisions for them.

[–]TheWiredWorld 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are thinking purely with your emotions.

[–]Electric_Socket 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Will soon be the case in the upcoming decade.

Medical "kidnapping" is already a issue.

Vaccines again are on their path to be forced on everyone.

[–]TheWiredWorld 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Suicide rates post op.

You're wrong.

[–]PutHimInDaBoot 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lord help you and your family if you can ever have one. Youre gonna have bunch of cracked up 5 year old shemales running around.

[–]lily_levasseur 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In your world child abuse is legal

And in your world, children are property of the state.

[–]RuCu52 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I began my transition at 19. If I weren't so afraid to have come out to my family I definitely would have started HRT sooner! I am in my late 30's now and I have ZERO regrets. I didn't make any mistakes. I'm proud of myself, my journey, my story.

[–]brildenlanch 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"I did it and luckily nothing bad happened. Using this research method, I've determined its more than safe to give hormones to infants"

Your smooth utilization of the scientific method is absolutely astounding.

[–]RuCu52 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Luck had nothing to do with. I was working with medical professionals at every level and they were amazing and supportive as well as being very honest regarding the risks associated with a medical transition.

I NEVER said anything about hormone treatment for infants. So you have yourself a good day now.

[–]NSFRN 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's absolutely astounding how you somehow got that from their post when it says nothing of the sort.

[–]brildenlanch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It absolutely says that. He was responding to someone who disagreed with children using hormones, and used his story as justification for his belief that there is nothing wrong with that. Don't see what you're missing.

[–]Slomogotoslo 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Suicide rate is high because Trans people find out quick you don't become a man. You become a trans. A trendy move, but unlike boots you can't take these off and look like a normal person again. I highly reccomend anyone thinking of getting this surgery to google trans and regret. Don't get caught in the echo chamber of people telling you you will be normal and your former sex/gender will be sexually attracted to you.

[–]artsez 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm sure it has nothing to do with not being able to transition or not being able to fit in in a society which is transphobic. It's definitely all about disappointment with your transition results (which it's reportedly very low). You are such an expert though! Can we get a Nobel Prize for this commenter, here?

[–]Slomogotoslo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's about all of that, neither of those things are mutually exclusive.

[–]Changinggirl 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, your echo chamber where transgender people are hated and assumed to be full of shit is much preferrable.

Just .. can you admit you have absolutely no education on the subject and just stop talking?

[–]Slomogotoslo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No one hates anyone or accused anyone of being full of shit. The comment I was responding to blanketly blames all trans regret/suicide on non acceptance from society. That is dangerous and uneducational. Should we force men to hook up with transitioned girls?

[–]tinman3 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

'Why do you think the suicide rate within the transgender community Is so high?'

Because it is a mental illness, and people with mental illness are predisposed to suicidal behaviors. Or because WE are crazy for not wanting a man to share a bathroom with our 6 year old daughter. Hard to say.

I think that gender plays an important and protective role in our society that needs to be stronger than, "the fact that I was born a man makes me sad and confused so I will be female, or something completely different". It not a choice.

[–]artsez 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude trans women in the bathroom with other women have no male libido they're not even all into women some trans women are into men. You're thinking of this like trans women are still men. Once they start to condition they're taking hormones that kill their libido and make them looser and the majority of trans women were never into women much less little girl. You've been completely assuming that transgender women are lesbians child sex offenders. That's really really twisted and flat out wrong.

And why aren't you worried about transgender men going into the men's room? Why aren't you worried about me being some sort of gay pervert? You never know, next time you're in the bathroom I might look at your dick! Why aren't you worried about me going after the little boys? Don't you care about the safety of little boys? Don't little boys matter as much as little girls?

Oh, I guess it's because you still see me as a woman, even though I have a cock, I'm strong, I look like a hairy beast, and I can have a male libido. I guess you're always going to see us trans guys as women and trans women as men.

And since you instinctively assume men are predators you also assume transgender women are the only trans people who can hurt women and children. That's straight-up sexist! Don't you know women can also molest rape beat up and kill people? You don't need to have once had a cock to be a danger to society.

And do you really think that banning transgender women from the bathroom is going to stop some sort of crazy actual man who wants to dress up like a woman to get into the women's bathroom? I think criminals are just going to do crime no matter what the law is. Actually, I think most criminals are going to take advantage of women and children in other situations than in the bathroom because they don't have the balls to dress up like trans women. It's too dangerous.

In fact statistics bear out that theory because rape and most molestation don't take place in public bathrooms or alleys. they take place in everyday situations between friends of the family and family members and acquaintances of the victims and the victim. If you care so much about preventing violence and rape against women and children why aren't you also up in arms about family members and friends who do victimize them? Why don't you also get passionate about that if you really want to protect women and children? Why don't you actually go after the people who are doing the violence against women and children? Because they look like you, not me?

[–]TucanSamBitch 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol the whole Trans bathroom thing was used by GOP politicians here in NC to cover up the rest of the bill, which was trying to prevent Charlotte from IIRC raising minimum wage a bit.

It was an "issue" that was entirely made up

[–]OniExpress 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was an "issue" that was entirely made up

It's really sad that you get people on this sub who fall for that shit hook line and sinker.

[–]yourepenis 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whats stopping a man from hiding out in the restroom while your daughter goes in there regardless? Thats such a joke of an argument.

[–]Changinggirl 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please explain to me how gender plays "an important and protective role" and how transgender people do things that upset that.?

"the fact that I was born a man makes me sad and confused so I will be female, or something completely different"

That's completely condescending.

[–]Electric_Socket 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

OP isn't claiming you don't feel what you feel.

OP is claiming you are made to feel those emotions/the emotions are made to multiply exponentially.

[–]RuCu52 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"This whole idea of being born the wrong gender is inherently ridiculous."

So you're trying to tell me that

A) OP isn't claiming that I don't feel the way I feel with this statement?

B) You're claiming that as early as age 5 which is when I first began to question my gender, that someone was forcibly pushing me to not feel comfortable in my gender?

[–]aaaaa2222 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP is saying that there is nothing wrong with you and that people come in a much larger variety of shades than society can handle, so society has created a manufactured idea of what makes a man a "man" and a woman a "woman".

But that manufactured idea is complete bullshit.

I understood OP's point completely, don't know why it is lost on so many people. Its pretty simple.

[–]Electric_Socket 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're claiming that as early as age 5 which is when I first began to question my gender, that someone was forcibly pushing me to not feel comfortable in my gender?

With what op is suggesting you will never have to be confused about it. It wouf be considered normal whatever way you grow up to be.

On a more personal note, how did you decide at 5 that you had the wrong sex?

[–]TheWiredWorld 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, you are wanting to believe something based in socially constructed emotional ego, with no scientific analysis and backing - because you are confused at the fact that what you feel as a person is antithetical to what society tells you.

The most ironic part about "trans" people is that they are simultaneously heralded as expanding human understanding of "gender" (which by the way is an unproven term created by a psychopath), while just double downing on choosing extremely stereotypical social constructs of their gender choice. i.e. "I'm a woman if I wear a skirt/makeup" (which are all forced gender roles).

[–]poopcircle 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why do you think the suicide rate within the transgender community is so high?

Because it's a mental illness.

[–]WeAreTheSheeple 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm suicidal as it is nevermind doing anything more than could 'exclude' me from society. I feel that sometimes this could be the cause of suicides in trans. They have never felt as though they fit into their 'gender' in society so they think changing who they are will correct the problem but it doesn't always work out like so.

As my other responses in this thread have said. What does it 'feel like' to be a man or woman? I think I'd feel the same in my head regardless of what gender I am.

[–]supercubansandwich 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Was this post inspired by the South Park episode where Stan's dad is surgically changed into a dolphin and Kyle is turned into a black guy?

[–]doi2727 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean Jewfin...

[–]dokapon111 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wasn't it Kyle's dad?

[–]Breadloafs 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (14子コメント)

So this sub is officially just a neoconservative circlejerk now, I take it?

This doesn't have anything to do with a conspiracy, this is just ranting about those dumb ess jay dubyews and their multiple genders. Maybe I can get ahead of the curve here and start raiding cringeanarchy for "tumblr gets owned" imgur sets for cheap karma.

Fuck outta here with this weak shit.

[–]Stopwatch064 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Transgenderism has been discussed here for YEARS.

[–]Deathbytiger 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This subreddit is for free thinking and discussing issues that capture the public's attention/imagination. The whole transgender thing is specifically targeting children. How is that not a conspiracy?

[–]fdajj 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yah I can't believe we've had two frontpage posts about transgenderism as a mental disorder the last two days. How the fuck?

[–]Breadloafs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tbh it's one of the main talking points for this new right-wing reactionary wave. A lot of the transpositive pages I see regularly on FB and other media are under pretty sustained harassment or even just getting hacked outright.

I guess they're just mad that they lost the gay rights fight :/

[–]LeroyGivens 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The hatred and ignorance in these comments are shocking. Never judge a person until you've walked in their shoes.

[–]LDLover [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Does this also apply to girls who are troubled by penises in their locker rooms or only the trans girls? I think that hostility is actually increasing because it's always about the trans persons feelings and everyone else's feelings just make them bigoted. There needs to be more respect from all perspectives and "sides."

[–]_Goebbels 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

As others have pointed out on this sub, destroying the family is a sure way to destroy society. Notice how even using the word "family," which should be a neutral word simply meaning parents and children, now has overtones of the religious right and conservative talk show rednecks.

I agree, but who's behind it all?

[–]ShadowX2069 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Username checks out.

[–]_Goebbels 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have no idea how many people have said that to me over the course of my Reddit career

[–]artsez 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The whole idea of being born the wrong gender is inherently ridiculous.

I'm trans. I wish this were true. I really, really do.

It makes as much sense as saying you were born the wrong race, or the wrong species.

How? These seem like false equivalencies.

Dude, I'm trans, my mom's trans. We have families.

We aren't gender stereotypes. We don't all need make up or macho get ups. Just like you.

Holy strawman, Batman.

[–]LDLover 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok but here me out. If it's not all stereotypes what is it? And if body dysphoria tends to be a common scenario, why are trans men getting pregnant? You have to stop taking the hormone that makes you feel more like a male because pregnancy is a female experience.

What exactly is feeling like a woman and how is someone who just feels like a woman. Supposed to be treated the exact same way as someone who really fully invests in the transition?

I want to support the trans community I really do. I can't imagine the experience and I acknowledge that but there are some real assholes in the trans community (like every "community"). I had a transwoman tell me to suck her dick.

I can support and understand folks who either do the surgery or have aspirations to but this idea that a penis is not a male sex organ and a vagina is not a female Sex organ because not all males have penises and some women have penises is really tough to accept.

I also don't think it's fair that andraya yearwood gets to feel like a girl and run high school track as a girl without takin ANY physical steps to transition. I understand she likely wants to but can't but I feel she should not be permitted to race with the girls until she does. I also do not agree that we treat anyone who feels like a woman as a woman. There have to be standards and guidelines.

What does that even mean feel like a woman?

[–]gnovos 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cause, not to put too fine a point on it, you can't be a dad once you cut off your dick.

So some war vet who got his dick blown off can't be a "real" dad, huh? You might want to rethink the implications of what you're saying. Not every case is going to be so black and white, which is the fucking point, I think.

[–]LDLover 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not at all a proper analogy. It's also never the infertile women asking to detach pregnancy from being a female experienced

[–]My_10th_account 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (22子コメント)

What about hermaphrodites?

[–]falconerhk 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Those lucky bastard/bitches can go fuck themselves.

[–]Shemus_Beasken 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Their the only group(in my eyes)that has merit when it comes to gender identity,even do they could well be the result of the genetic manipulation that goes on beneath the vale of society.

[–]Changinggirl 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

And yet being a hermaphrodite has nothing at all to do with gender. It's a physical phenomenon. You can be a hermaphrodite and still be either cis or transgender, just as u can either be black or white.

[–]Shemus_Beasken 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

And yet being a hermaphrodite has nothing at all to do with gender.

What?......you serious?...Gender has to do with the body you were born in;no?...hermaphrodites usually have a dominant gender type & they are the only true type of transgender in existence.

The other type is a mind job,they need drugs & operations to change anything.In the end that's all they do;change their appearance.....& no you can't choose to be black or white,that is retarded & you've just given me level 4 autism.

[–]RuCu52 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The term is intersex.

[–]potpirate 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Medically, it isn't.

[–]RuCu52 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"The mythological term “hermaphrodite” implies that a person is both fully male and fully female. This is a physiologic impossibility. The words “hermaphrodite” and “pseudo-hermaphrodite” are stigmatizing and misleading words. Unfortunately, some medical personnel still use them to refer to people with certain intersex conditions, because they still subscribe to an outdated nomenclature that uses gonadal anatomy as the basis of sex classification."

http://www.isna.org/faq/hermaphrodite

[–]apricotasd1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, it is. It changed a decade ago.

[–]ShadowX2069 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So a thread just to bash trans people. Which makes this sub look bad. I'm gay—should we also go back to the 1970s when being gay was labeled a mental illness by psychologists and psychiatrists? Should I get shock treatment to "cure" me liking dick? What, I'm a part of some conspiracy to breakup the family unit because I want to have freedom and live my life how I want to and not be punished for it?

Idiot.

[–]GirthBrooks 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Based on your edit I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you've never even talked to a woman without giving your credit card number first. Get out of here with that "real women" bullshit.

[–]potpirate 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Love your username 😂

[–]rabbits_dig_deep[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you just assume my gender?

[–]apricotasd1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Naw they actually didn't.

But cool it with the pathetic incel "DUR HAHA ASSUME MY GENDER GIT IT GUYZZZZZ?!!?!"

[–]PacoRamirez1966 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I was born Hispanic but feel I should have been born black. I am transracial. I also feel entitled to welfare, reparations from whites, and I want a free Obama phone.

[–]Shemus_Beasken 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (21子コメント)

People may well think they are female trapped in a male body or vice versa but those same people think they are free & in control over their lives,same people who held the flat earth over thinking mans head for how long?.......people have put their kids education in the hands of entertainment & systems of thought that corrupt at the most corruptible ages,this transgender shit is generations in the making & it will not be undone.

What needs to be addressed now is the operations & drugs used to complete the appearance of becoming a sex you are not,kids now might wake up in 30years & find their bodies fighting back,what will their mental health be like after that(I'm sure big pharma will have a drug for that situation).

[–]SigmundFloyd76 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

We don't need to wait 30 years for the answer, we already know. These people have the highest rate of suicide of anybody.

[–]RuCu52 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah...that's because of ignorant people like the ones commenting here. Families not being accepting...bullying at school, transgender people literally being killed in the streets. Trans people especially young kids and teens are committing suicide because they feel hopeless! Trans individuals not only are dealing with the discord of their mental and physical gender not being in alignment, but they're also receiving this hostile backlash from society as evidenced here! You would be suicidal too! Some people don't have the capacity to handle those kinds of pressures.

[–]SigmundFloyd76 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's what I used to believe. Certainly it can't be discounted, but it really does sound like absurd mental gymnastics to me now.

[–]yourepenis 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is that mental gymnastics at all? People kill themselves literally all the time due to bullying and all that even when it has nothing to do with trans issues. Id be inclined to believe the suicide rate of gay people was a lot higher back in the day too before becoming slowly accepted over time.

[–]Shemus_Beasken 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Agreed but the people who need to know these facts usually don't react till it's banging at their doors & by that time the next generations agenda is in full swing.

[–]RuCu52 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I'm trans...have been my entire life. I started transitioning at 19 years old and I'm now in my late 30's. I'm happy, healthy, and I do happen to know that the earth is round, thank you very much! You have no idea what you're talking about.

[–]Shemus_Beasken 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Your trans in your head but your body will never be female or male(naturally);which ever you're trying to be.

I know nature & truth,i also respect your right to desecrate your temple(its yours to fuck with all you want) but you will never change the gender you were born with,only your appearance will be changed.

I'm also glad you're happy in life,i aim to stop people being programmed into making mistakes they can't reverse & supply the facts & ways in which they are programmed as to avoid any future unhappiness.

You also don't understand my flat earth comment because you take it out of context thus ruining its meaning........herd think gave us flat earth & herd think is a powerful programming mechanism of the mind of young children(19 is still a child).

We have all felt the effects of genetic tampering in some form & the last thing i would want is to attack anyone effected by things they don't understand,but this "trans" agenda is a problem that goes further than your thought processes & is must likely just another culling mechanism.

[–]rabbits_dig_deep[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

just another culling mechanism

yep

[–]artsez 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Except we reproduce. I am the child of a transgender woman. I am transgender. I can have children. I'm not being culled by anything other then discrimination. Make no mistake, there are people who want me dead and who want to remove me from the gene pool. But fuck them.

[–]WeAreTheSheeple 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

So you were born to a trans and yourself is trans? Do you not see the connection to this and genes then? And that it can stunt population growth since there is less accidental pregnancies?

[–]Changinggirl 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know nature & truth

Only someone who DOESN'T know those things would say that.

but you will never change the gender you were born with

Reality happens to disagree with you. But I don't think you even know what gender is.

[–]artsez 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Guess what? We know that we know that our bodies will always be transexual. We also know that our gender identities are real and authentic. Because gender is separate from sex, your attempt to say that we aren't the gender that we are falls flat, just like your dumbass Flat Earth theory. We transition to have our genders affirmed in the appearance of our bodies and to alleviate dysphoria.

[–]Shemus_Beasken 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We know that we know that our bodies will always be transexual.

Yes,dna requires all information to be able to choose what your body is going to end up like.

We also know that our gender identities are real and authentic

You mean your soul?,the voice in your head?...if your gay & feel like a woman(or vice versa )but don't have the body to match,then maybe evolution is telling you to stop your bloodline.

Because gender is separate from sex,...

Nope & no amount of operations & drugs will change that!

...your dumbass Flat Earth theory

I'm sorry you took something out of context to have something to attack but a quick look through my history on reddit would have disproved that i support the flat earth theory.

We transition to have our genders affirmed in the appearance of our bodies and to alleviate dysphoria.

Your gender was affirmed for you in your mothers womb & the dysphoria you feel is a result of pressure from society that creates the tension needed to push people to extremes.....butchering your body because you felt uneasy in mind(like most 90% of the people on the planet feel)is your choice,but don't think you can pass an excuse like dysphoria on to more impressionable minds.

[–]throwawaydoll6969 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness and should be treated as such.

One of the treatments (I guess it's the 'last resort one') is sex-reassignment surgery.

That's it. But there are only two sexes, and very distinct, very different psychological and biological differences between the two.

EDIT: I want to add that I think this new-age of youth (I guess in regards to the ones you're talking about where they want to be genderless and this and that), they're like the hippies of the 2010s. And trust me, it will fade away. Certain values will stick because we've allowed them to get this far in their influence, however I believe that just like the punk trend and goth era, this tumblr shitstorm will fade away (the visual or 'aesthetic' aspect of it, anyway).

Now back to family thing. You can be a father figure even if the child isn't biologically yours- even if the child doesn't live with you. I'm so not sure why you brought that up. And I don't want to discredit your argument. But the father figure has been taking L after L over the years, because feminists have been attacking the traditional man, which include both the good and bad values, and so many fathers are flop as fuck, run out on their kids, or give their kids shitty childhoods. A lot of "men" these days are incredibly soft and absolutely deranged, and this includes the "macho" men. No emotional intelligence, no true leadership qualities, no true personal 'purpose', and one-step short of a mental breakdown. I look at a lot of men and see very weak individuals because men have been misguided and torn down instead of built up. Personally I think certain values of patriarchy is very important, but men are not strong enough for that anymore. And in my opinion, I don't think the modern woman is strong enough to lead as well. I think both genders, right now, are completely and utterly fucked.

A better example would be someone like Caitlyn Jenner, who literally abandoned his entire family to chase an image in light of this whole 'transgenderism trend'. And if Caitlyn Jenner has truly suffered from gender dysphoria, then why drag an entire family into your shitstorm? Now his wife has to question her entire marriage and his kids have to wonder, "was my family ever real?" Those are the issues that didn't come up when "Caitlyn Jenner" was announced to the world.

I think when people hear family they think "nuclear family," which is what I think you're referring to as well. Father, mother, and a child with extended family. But a family can be a lot of things.

However the traditional "nuclear" family has been under attack because of the lack of promotion of healthy nuclear families in which each member is celebrated and the cohesive nature that brings them together is put in the spotlight. The truth of the matter is, the nuclear family is decaying, the idea is still alive, and people are still dreaming of having families, but the family unit is not the same.

[–]THASF [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

OP, I'm trans. I suffer from gender dysphoria. I don't think you'll ever know what it truly feels like to look in the mirror and think "That's not my body; that's somebody else's." You should be very thankful for that.

It's not easy, being born physically male, but having all the instincts and desires of a woman. It really has very little to do with gender expression, for me. I like beer, bacon, whiskey, motorcycles, fast cars, and all that guy stuff. I don't see myself as particularly feminine. It's just that when I think about sex, it's like there's a phantom part of me that should be there, but isn't. You have no idea how painful that is.

Think, OP. As a straight male (I think), picture what it would be like if suddenly, you were trapped in the opposite sex's body with your current feelings and desires. Wouldn't that feel terrible?

By the way, I hate Tumblr SJWs. They try and take the personal tragedies of people like me and twist them towards their own benefit for social brownie points. The moment you challenge their orthodoxy, it doesn't matter if you're LGBT or not. They'll viciously attack you.

[–]Changinggirl 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok dude. Sounds like you really know what you're talking about.

[–]papagert -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This place is kinda gross right now. I'm glad we can talk about it! Let's all get messy in here, otherwise were not talking about it. Listen op, you're suggesting that people can be born the wrong* gender when that's not the case.. People identify with a gender for themselves, and that's OK! No one was made "wrong". People who think the were made " wrong" may be unintentionally using confusing language to describe their problems, which include identity crisis, toxic communities, propaganda. The same way you are finding problems with societies ascribed "femininity" and "masculinity" roles, others are too they've just developed and refined their wording for it all. As far as your discomfort with men cutting their dicks off, I'd have to ask if you've ever talked to any transgendered folks at all? Maybe you should

[–]Natums87 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This dude is fucking woke