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Just got banned by Clatsop for...nothing actually (self.ConservativeMeta)

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So there is a thread on /r/Conservative that is ostensibly about Greg Abbott, my governor, and him being featured on the sidebar. I go there to see what's being said, and what do I find? Posts discussing Gov. Abbott? Talking about conservatism in Texas? Perhaps possible discussion about Gov. Abbott and a possible future Presidential run?

Of course not silly. Because the post was made by none other than Clatsop, so there were no less than 2 separate posts with several paragraphs discussing an Article V convention of the states.

Not even in the actual OP post did he even talk about Abbott.

This is the post text

>Source for the Sidebar Tribute quote: Texas Governor Greg Abbott's State of the State Address. TEXT VIDEO (Begins at about 48:10) > >For more information about an Article V Convention of States: >/r/ConventionOfStates > >Note: Our Sidebar Tribute feature started at the time of Margaret Thatcher's death. Since her death on April 8, 2013 , it has grown into an impressive and inspirational collection as the moderators of /r/Conservative have updated it weekly on a rotating basis, with a "community choice" selection thrown in occasionally. > >https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/wiki/sidebartributehistory

He couldn't even stick to the actual topic that was supposed to be the whole point of the thread in the original post. And he still went on to post two separate multi-paragraph posts in the thread about the Article V Convention. In a thread about Gov. Abbott. At the time of this writing he still hasn't actually posted one thing that's actually about Gov. Abbot in the thread that's about Gov. Abbot. Just using it as a soapbox to talk about his favorite pet topic.

So I posted:

>And here I thought this thread was supposed to be about Greg Abbott, not another post sidetracked into talking about the Article V convention lol.

That's it. That's all I wrote. Banned. For "shitposting". And the funny thing is, here was the moderator message I got.

>Note from the moderators:

>>And here I thought this thread was supposed to be about Greg Abbott, not another post sidetracked into talking about the Article V convention lol.

Rule 5 - shitpost

>The Sidebar Tribute is a quote by Abbott on his strong support for an Article V Convention of States.

>A post laughing about a serious post about legitimate conservative issue is shitposting. It adds nothing of value to the conversation, and only serves to derail conversation. In addition, it was intended as a personal attack.

>https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/5rrbib/this_weeks_sidebar_tribute_is_texas_gov_greg/dd9qnas/

Apparently bringing up that the thread that's supposed to be about Greg Abbot should actually be about Greg Abbott is not contributing to the conversation about Greg Abbot and is "derailing the conversation". Conversation that isn't about Greg Abbott in a thread that's supposed to be about him.

??????????

Hell, I'll probably get banned from here since he's a mod on every conservative sub (including this one) on reddit and apparently has a massive persecution complex. I didn't even bring him up in the whole one sentence I posted. Yet somehow he took that to be a "personal attack".

And naturally, he abuses his mod privileges by stickying his own insult laden response to the top of this very thread.

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[–]Clatsop[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (0子コメント)

So, /u/chksum, I just re-read your rant here in the meta sub about how you were all upset about my post not being about Greg Abbott.

Then I re-read your comment you posted on /r/Conservative in response to my Sidebar post:

And here I thought this thread was supposed to be about Greg Abbott, not another post sidetracked into talking about the Article V convention lol.

THEN, I re-read some of the old Article V discussions I linked to in reply to your other meta thread comment stating that "no one is allowed to even bring up any counterpoints", and lo and behold... what did I find? None other than you, /u/chksum, making a lengthy anti-Article V comment, to which I gave a reply! To which I'll note, you chose to not reply to in response!

That discussion thread is linked here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/5fw75x/article_v_convention_of_states_limited_to/daorvpx/?utm_content=permalink&utm_medium=front&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Conservative

So that got me to thinking... it appears to me that your "concern" about my Sidebar post was really MUCH less about the Sidebar post not being "about Greg Abbott" than it really was about you just being an anti-Article Fiver.

Your petty little meta post here with its entire theme whining about my Sidebar post not being about Greg Abbott was one big lie... in fact, you're actually just an anti-Article Fiver!

Rather than address your Article five "concerns" in the comments section of my Sidebar post, you chose to make a shitty concern troll post about it "not being about Greg Abbott".

[–]777Sir 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (10子コメント)

So I looked through your post history. You're a conservative and an active poster who got banned without warning for getting on the wrong person's bad side. Welcome to the club!

[–]chksum[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Par for the course it seems at that sub. For a group of people who are ostensibly conservatives, some of sure do seem to enjoy wielding power with a Politburo-like zeal.

[–]Clatsop 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Being conservative & active does not mean you don't have to abide by rules.

[–]777Sir 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (7子コメント)

There's a rule against pointing out that someone's way off topic?

[–]Clatsop 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I reject your premise that it was off topic. There is a rule for shitposting & another for civility.

[–]777Sir 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I reject your premise that it was off topic.

Excellent, sounds like you're ready to have a constructive conversation on the validity of the ban.

[–]Clatsop 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Piss off... how's that for constructive?

[–]777Sir 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I didn't expect a reply... So, less constructive than I expected.

[–]bananastanding 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That comment adds nothing to the discussion and by your logic, you should be banned.

[–]Clatsop 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How clever and original... You are truly unique.

[–]chksum[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Piss off... how's that for constructive?

Your eloquence, maturity, and respect for the the honest discussion of ideas between adults comes off with every post you make.

[–]DogfaceDinoFriedmanite 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure I'd call it a shitpost (then again, that's intentionally vague) but you were kind of being a dick. If you thought the comments were irrelevant, downvote and move on. It's like you tried to create a meta discussion inside the comment chain.

[–]chefr89 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

r/conservative is a god-awful subreddit for several reasons:

  • three highly authoritarian moderators that ban at the drop of a hat, even if you've been around a long time (cue, Clatsop: "you're all just a bunch of babies")
  • repression and silencing of meaningful discussion (cue, Yosoff: "liberals pretending to be conservative! trust me, there is a horde of spamming libs out there!")
  • promotion of the most obscure/irrelevant/dishonest "conservative" websites known to man
  • complete non-presence of top moderator, who allows his/her minions to freely continue the declination of the subreddit
  • failure to get any form of regular, interesting content like AMA's
  • proliferation of memes and actual shitposts you'd find on your crazy uncle's facebook page (cue, chabanais: "tard")
  • mod team that doesn't allow META posts in-house
  • top moderator that refused to listen to the community (including admins) when a META post actually was allowed and got overwhelming community support to bring about a change

Of course, most don't need me to point out the obvious to them. Why else are 99% of folks here anyways? Unless they're an authoritarian moderator either trying to explain off something or just vaguely attack someone for daring to question their ban.

The mod team only cares about rules when it comes to defending themselves or silencing critics. Sorry for the ban, but maybe you've started to realize that the place is a total dumpster fire. It's unfortunate, very very unfortunate. But there is nothing that will fix it.

[–]chksum[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you're right you're right.

[–]Clatsop 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Awww... Thanks for caring enough to write!

[–]Clatsop 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not a personal attack?

You posted this before replying to my post:

One thing I've noticed is that there are rules against spamming and making multiple posts about the same thing, and yet that doesn't seem to apply to mods. A certain mod seems to take every opportunity to post as many times as he can about the Article V convention, and has in the past banned users who either question him posting so much about it, or even debate the topic itself with him. He uses /r/Conservative as his own personal soapbox to rant about pet issues and no one is allowed to even bring up any counterpoints or ask why he feels the need to post about the same thing over and over and over and over.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ConservativeMeta/comments/5qy52g/about_rule_5/dd9qllb/

[–]chksum[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you're admitting you search through people's post history to find comments that may or may not be about you, then go on vendettas against people who posted in other subs, then ban them from a sub that the above quote wasn't even posted on, citing an entirely different post as the reason. Gotcha.

Oh and thanks for proving every single thing I said absolutely correct.

[–]Clatsop 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you're admitting you search through people's post history...

Of course we do... all of the moderators do. We look to see "just what kind of a person is this"... what is their intent.

...find comments that may or may not be about you.

May or may not?

[–]Clatsop 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no one is allowed to even bring up any counterpoints

I have engaged several users on the topic, replying to them with serious replies:

[–]Clatsop 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/5rrbib/this_weeks_sidebar_tribute_is_texas_gov_greg/dd9in69/

This comment on my post is about Abbott's Texas Plan, and includes a link to a serious, well written policy document I am sure he's quite proud of.

[–]chabanais 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And here I thought this thread was supposed to be about Greg Abbott, not another post sidetracked into talking about the Article V convention lol.

How was that comment supposed to add value? Had /u/Clatsop chosen a quote about a different topic then mentioing Article V Convention would have been off topic.

But the quote directly referenced that so your comment was a troll.

[–]Clatsop 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

... no less than 2 separate posts with several paragraphs discussing an Article V convention of the states.

I also commented in the thread about my favorite part of the quote.

I really liked this part of the quote:

We should demand that the federal government do two things. >One: Fulfill important, but limited, responsibilities as written in the Constitution. And two: On everything else, leave us alone, and let Texans govern Texas.

As it should be...

Limited government.. states rights... definitely conservative issues.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/5rrbib/this_weeks_sidebar_tribute_is_texas_gov_greg/dd9kuhr/

[–]Clatsop[M] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So there is a thread on /r/Conservative that is ostensibly about Greg Abbott, my governor, and him being featured on the sidebar. I go there to see what's being said, and what do I find? Posts discussing Gov. Abbott? Talking about conservatism in Texas? Perhaps possible discussion about Gov. Abbott and a possible future Presidential run?

The post was more about his quote than just Abbott himself.

Maybe instead of your whiny little shitpost & meta comments, you could have posted something like this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/5rrbib/this_weeks_sidebar_tribute_is_texas_gov_greg/dd9miks/.

You could have talked about Abbott & the issues YOU ARE INTERESTED IN yourself... in the comments.

Nope... you decided to be a shitposter.