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[–]jaimmsteri like fat people and cucks 461 ポイント462 ポイント  (74子コメント)

If I were allergic to condoms, would it make sense for me to rape people? That's basically what you're saying.

I'm still trying figure this comment.

[–]clee-saan 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Same. I wonder if that person thinks it would make sense for someone who isn't allergic to condoms to rape people with a condom.

[–]mega_trex 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well they never explicitly said if the rape was with or without a condom

[–]Foremanski 122 ポイント123 ポイント  (66子コメント)

Rape people = killing animals aparently

[–]IDontGiveADoot<- actually I do 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (64子コメント)

I mean, animals are forcibly inseminated and kept in terrible conditions in factories. I don't think the killing is as much of a problem as the living conditions are for most vegans.

[–]mydearwatson616Some people know more than you, and I'm one of them. 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (40子コメント)

If that were the case, they'd have no problem with people hunting deer for venison. Ask any vegan how they feel about that...

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (24子コメント)

I don't lurk on vegan sites but from what I've gathered that's actually a polarizing question for them.

[–]kayimbo 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (4子コメント)

yeah its somewhat polarizing. I imagine most moderates would say its still not great to kill stuff you don't half to for taste, but its hell of a lot better than a factory, and I personally wouldn't go out of my way to criticize people who hunt for food (you know depending on species and other reasonable factors).

[–]Jhaza 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

My understanding, as a city slicker, is that most deer hunting is necessary for population control. I'd imagine most people would agree that relatively death from a hunter is preferable to mass starvation... But I might be off base.

[–]OinomaosSocial Justice Red Mage 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My understanding as someone from Michigan is that deer are basically giant rats made of tasty meat.

[–]The_Real_Mongoosesomething something skittles 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's almost word for word my exact stance on it, and though I haven't been active there for a few years, was at one point the majority stance on /r/vegan

[–]TheFatMistakeviciously anti-free speech 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'm a vegetarian trying to be vegan, I and most vegans would probably agree that hunting is the most ethical way to get meat. More environmentally friendly and even helpful to animal populations if done right. Though I would never ever do it. It's not in me.

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think it's in me either but this is because rationally or no, I feel a bit more empathy for mammals than I do for fish. And I've fished in the past, and if I had to be killed I'd much rather be shot than lured with bait, speared with a barb through the lip, dragged underwater, and locked in a crate full of ice until I ran out of oxygen.

[–]badbrains787 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It is. Most vegans disagree ethically with hunting for food, but see it as infinitely less harmful and more sustainable than factory farming. It's still not at all necessary for survival in modern society.

[–]big_babushkaQuestioning the dubious origina of the moon 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It is when you're poor and hungry and 1 1/2 hours from town.

[–]PopeFrancis 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If you're poor and hungry and an hour and a half from reasonable food sources, it's hard to argue you're really part of modern civilization. This is kind of an aside, though, because a very large number of the people who eat meat or hunt aren't stuck on a desert island, so the ethics of what'd you do if you are on a desert island or otherwise removed from modern society aren't super important.

[–]fourfoldcat 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well hey vegan here, hunting for necessity is a lot more preferable to us than store bought meat. It's still not something we support, and most of our anger stems from the "trophy hunting" culture rather than actual hunting. Again, vegans don't support killing in general but also understand the world is not black and white... so if you can hunt instead of using a disturbing industry, then make the switch!

[–]Sedixodap 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know a couple of people who went from being vegetarian (mostly vegan) to hunting for personal consumption.

[–]dIoIIoIb 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh, yeah, if i go in the woods to kill a deer and eat its meat it's fine and ethical, but if i do the same to a human suddenly i'm a "dangerous psycopath"

typical vegetarian double standards /s

[–]CptNasty 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I mean, animals are forcibly inseminated and kept in terrible conditions in factories.

But that's not really rape any more than it's theft to take a chicken's eggs.

Most of us also don't call it murder when we slaughter animals for food, either.

I appreciate the power of words, and I can see why people would want to claim words like rape/murder for their cause. But it smacks to me of anthropomorphism and comes off a little insensitive to the human victims.

[–]hop-frog 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

But the people who are saying these animals are raped are probably also the ones saying animals are being murdered for food. This language is used specifically because it makes an impact

[–]PopeFrancis 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why not go with the simpler explanation of "they actually feel that way"?

Put yourself in their shoes for a second. You think a sexual act requires consent and none is capable of being given, what would you call that consensual sexual act? Or you think killing is wrong and it's happening, like... what other word would you use?

[–]ParanoydAndroidThe art of calling someone gay is through misdirection 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You think a sexual act requires consent and none is capable of being given, what would you call that consensual sexual act?

Some animals have rape as their primary reproductive strategy, and that can't be used to justify human behavior but it does probably demonstrate that for some animals, in whatever mental world they have access to, they themselves are not interpreting the situation as we do and attempts to use words like "rape" are anthropomorphizing inappropriately.

Again, that doesn't function as some sort of justification for human behavior towards the animals, but I do think it means that our ethical objections to that behavior can't be grounded in the same sort of reasoning that we'd apply to our behavior towards humans.

[–]zozonde 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think he disagrees, dude. He's just explaining it.

[–]PopeFrancis 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"It makes an impact" isn't the same thing as "this is how they feel". It kind of makes the terminology sound disingenuous.

[–]flutterguy123 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, animals are forcibly inseminated

True but to even suggest for a second its anywhere near rape is idiotic.

[–]Curlgradphi 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not wearing a condom when expected to can be considered rape, would be my best guess as to what they're getting at.

[–]Fletch71011Signature move of the cuck. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That might be the biggest stretch I've ever seen here, and there have been some huge ones.

[–]JokesnjokesnjokesThey shit themselves recreationally 230 ポイント231 ポイント  (132子コメント)

I agree with all of the ethics and morals of veganism but one of my greatest talents is the ability to live with cognitive dissonance. So I'm kinda stuck between saving the planet and the lives of animals or wasting my potential.

[–]JayRizzo03 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah i actually think vegans have a bit of a noble cause. In essence they want to reduce unnecessary suffering. How can you condem that?

That being said, one does not have to look far in my post history to prove that cognitive dissonance is alive and well with me. My very existence is offensive to vegans im sure.

[–]Professional_PhD 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (58子コメント)

This is right where I'm at. I actually think veganism is the morally defensible position for both animal and environmental reasons. We've sent people to the moon; we have B12 and can learn to live without meat using beans and other substances.

That said, fuckin' bacon. And steak.

[–]ZaalbarsArseshit look the fuck out everyone! An archive! 120 ポイント121 ポイント  (17子コメント)

You don't have to quit cold turkey (heh) though. Any reduction on animal products makes an impact. It's overwhelming af to cut everything out at once and that's what stopped me doing it for years.

What helped me is realising that every time I decided to eat something vegan over a cruelty-based product, I was potentially saving an animals life.

You don't need to cut out bacon or steak. You can identify products that you don't really like that much but you just eat cuz there's no reason not to and cut them out and it makes a difference. You can have a day of the week where you don't eat animal products and that makes a difference.

One of the biggest mindblocks is that it's all or nothing, but reductionism can have just as big an impact as full on veganism if enough people do it.

[–]EnixDark 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm in the same boat. I was concerned about climate change and animal ethics, but thought cutting everything out completely would be really difficult. So for the past year, I've been eating eggs/dairy a couple times a week, and meat a couple times a month, and it's been way easier than I expected. It's trivially easy to give up ground beef and chicken every day, when I occasionally have a steak or whatever. I've been trending towards "cheating" less, and I'd like to get to fully vegan at some point, but I'm at like 5% the animal products I was consuming a year ago, which feels like a great improvement.

[–]LukeBabbitt 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good for you, man. That deserves kudos. Way to push yourself to be better and live within your values in a way you can accomplish.

[–]PPewt 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

99% veg here and when I first started (I originally went truly veg but went back to eating a bit of meat here and there mostly due to logistics of visiting people/going out with people) it was surprising how many things we just put meat into because we don't really consider not putting meat into them. There are tons of meals that I think are flat-out improved by the lack of meat, even ignoring any sort of non-taste-based justification. I understand the attraction of things like steak and ribs, where the meat is the whole point, but tossing bacon or chicken or whatever in everything just makes everything taste like chicken or bacon and doesn't appeal to me any more than eating the same thing every day all year would.

[–]House_Bitch 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

One of the biggest mindblocks is that it's all or nothing, but reductionism can have just as big an impact as full on veganism if enough people do it.

I agree 100%. I'd happily pay a few extra dollars for cruelty free products.

[–]LukeBabbitt 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cruelty free in a lot of instances is simply a marketing scheme. Reducing can just look like going meatless a few days a week or eating vegan alternatives when available.

[–]YummyMeatballs 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I've started adding Quorn burgers and 'deli slices' (for sandwiches) to my usual grocery shop. Often not quite as nice as meat but still tasty enough. I don't think I'll ever have the willpower to go full veggie, let alone vegan but it's something I guess.

Roll on cheap and plentiful lab-grown meat. If that could replace the cheap crap you get at supermarkets/fast food restaurants I expect it could have a huge impact. Hopefully they crack it soon.

[–]LukeBabbitt 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Going veg is relatively easy in my experience - at least in the PNW. The key is finding easy alternatives for meat dishes for any setting. Taco Bell is easy for fast food, Chipotle has great sofritas, pizza is very easily eaten meatless, caprese sandwiches are an awesome lunch staple, cauliflower and broccoli are super versatile.

Try it for a week to see how you survive and build from there. It's an adjustment but as someone whose favorite food was chicken wings, it's totally doable

[–]Jhaza 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Quorn chicken nuggets and chicken tenders are amazing, taste-wise I'd say they're at parity with meat. My girlfriend is vegetarian, so I'm transitioning that way (and I agree that it's the ethical thing to do, just... I eat a pretty high protein diet and I'm poor, those two don't match up super well); meat substitute have gotten so much better in the last decade.

[–]badbrains787 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was in this kinda head space for many years before finally making the leap to veganism. Just keep an open mind, keep reading and doing research and maybe try cooking vegan at home a few days a week. Maybe you'll make the shift later.

[–]CosmicBadger 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's really not hard at all if you ease into it. It took me 5 years to go from pescatarian to vegetarian to vegan, but I got there, and I think many of the things I gave up are delicious. If you take it slow though, you discover the alternatives one step at a time and find foods that serve the same cravings meat, cheese, etc. used to satisfy. Just don't go cold turkey or you will probably fail; big lifestyle changes are only big if you attempt them all at once.

[–]cdstephensMore than you'd think, but less than you'd hope 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If lab meat is fully developed and around the same price range I'll switch to it, no question.

[–]ParanoydAndroidThe art of calling someone gay is through misdirection 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm uncomfortable with the ethics of meat eating, but I still do it because I'm lazy and entitled, but I'd switch to lab meat at a pretty high cost premium, no doubt.

[–]shemperdoodleI have smelled the vaginas of 6 women 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what I'm waiting for. With the amount of protein I need every day, my diet would be a disgusting amount of pea protein if I switched to vegan, and that's not something that I think I could do.

[–]aceytahphuu 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

So, wait, you think eating meat is immoral, and then you do it anyway?

That's kinda fucked up.

[–]ctj09002 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I posted above, and I'm not who you were responding to, but I've come to a similar conclusion. I ran into the issue where I do my grocery shopping after work and realized that I didn't have the energy to be creative with my cooking as I shopped. I'm familiar with meat based proteins and can improvise around them. But when it comes to vegetarianism, I'm lost. I want something filling, but I don't know where to begin.

We don't all have tons of time to do the work necessary to overcome a lifetime of habit to become a morally better person.

[–]zozonde 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Try Indian food! 30% of India is vegetarian, and they're cooking is adapted to it. It's not hard as long as you have got the right spices. But you're right, you need to take some time off to learn new cooking skills.

[–]boom_shoesLikes his men like he likes his women; androgynous. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The #1 problem for non vegetarians when conceptualising a vegetarian diet is the lack of creativity. Simply trying to cook the same meals with some kind of substitute, rather than looking to cuisines of the world that don't use much (if any) meat and copying that!

[–]Forseti5 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Yeah and our personal living space houses/apartments could be nothing but a single small room with a toilet, shower and bed. That would better for the environment as well.

Bacon and steak might as well be any luxury or real joy we find in life. If morals and the environment is your singular concern you can cut out just about anything.

[–]carraway 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If morals and the environment is your singular concern you can cut out just about anything.

That's exactly the idea--there's something most people can do, without going 100%. The same way people are saying any small change to your diet (like having one non-meat day per week) can aggregately have a big impact on the environment, so can your living conditions.

You don't have to live in a cell to recycle. You don't have walk around stinking to reduce water consumption.

A lot of sensible environmentalists understand that it's not realistic for people to turn into completely ethical ascetic monks. The amount of waste we produce is just mind-boggling, and small changes at scale can have an impact.

[–]badbrains787 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (15子コメント)

This kind of thinking kills me, because you're almost literally implying that bacon and steak the only two great tasting food items on earth. I'm vegan and whether you believe it or not, I eat incredibly tasty stuff. And not just in a "I've convinced myself tofu tastes good" kinda way.

[–]GigaTiger 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (10子コメント)

What sort of tasty food do you eat? I'm not being snarky. I'm trying to up my veg consumption but I hate veg.

[–]migvelio 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not vegetarian at all but my experience is that veg food shines when not making copy-cat food (vegan hamburgers, vegan bacon, vegan meatloafs, vegan eggs, you name it). I've eaten indian-inspired and arabian-inspired vegan food that's awesome. Also they are some ingredients that introduce a lot of solid flavors into food like onions, bell peppers, chickpeas, scallions, eggplants, pumpkins, avocados, nuts, hazelnuts, coriander and fresh parsley. I was in some hard cash situations where I could not afford my normal consumption of animal meat and I learned to cook small quantities of meat with a lot of (semi-fried) vegetables in a wok-like fashion and it really improved my cooking. There a lot of spices that goes great with vegetables, tubers and grains based meals like curcuma, paprika, oregan (great with tomatoes), sesame seeds, anise seeds, black pepper and dried parsley. Olive oil is a great friend too.

I think it all goes down to creativity, boldness to use unknown or different ingredients and developing a good seasoning hand. Read different vegetable-based recipes and ask yourself how would you incorporate that to your diet and own tastes.

[–]LukeBabbitt 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here are five of my favorites in all sorts of different genres - all very easy to make as well!

https://minimalistbaker.com/best-vegan-pulled-pork-sandwich/

http://makingthymeforhealth.com/one-pot-vegetable-thai-red-curry/#comments

http://cookieandkate.com/2016/better-broccoli-casserole-recipe/

http://realhousemoms.com/buffalo-cauliflower-bites/

http://cookieandkate.com/2013/vegetarian-tortilla-soup/

http://m.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipe/spicy-vegetarian-chili

My usual strategy is to search something I would usually want to eat that has meat in it, add "vegetarian" to the search and then find the highest rated recipe with several reviews. Cookie and Kate and Minimalist Baker have all been terrific resources.

[–]badbrains787 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well the short answer is........I eat everything lol. Seriously, it's 2017 and there's great alternatives for basically any and every type of food now. In the last couple weeks I've had cali-style burritos, pizza, chili dogs, both japanese and indian curry, sloppy joes (w/ lentils and manwich), "chicken" wrap, lasagna, blueberry pancakes, street tacos, burgers burgers and more burgers.

[–]PopeFrancis 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

sloppy joes (w/ lentils and manwich)

Aha. I feel like such a bachelor when I do this but fuck if it isn't convenient.

[–]PPewt 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just echoing the people who say not to eat imitation products. I'm not saying nobody should ever eat a veggie burger, but in my experience the only people switching from, say, burgers to veggie burgers all at once really works for are those who are willing to go vegan instantly for ethnical reasons, taste be damned. If you just eat imitation meat products all the time then unsurprisingly it'll probably taste worse than the real thing, in the same way that eating imitation vegetables would taste worse than the real thing, partly just because it tastes a bit off (even if in some nonexistent "objective sense" it doesn't actually taste worse).

I personally recommend:

  1. Try taking some foods that you sprinkle meat onto as an extra, but which aren't inherently meat-based, and removing the meat. One great example of this is trying to eat vegetarian pizza. That being said, you have to be a bit careful. I'm sure I'll start some best-vegetable holy wars by saying anything but I find a lot of the default vegetables people put on pizzas etc are a bit tainted by the fact that they're intended to be eaten for meat in that they're just there for texture and not taste at all, so getting a green pepper pizza for example would be boring as hell. I recommend some subset of mushrooms (ideally portobellos or some other non-white button/cremini variety), red peppers (ideally roasted), sundried tomatoes, onions, anything interesting that's pickled/preserved that you might be interested in (eggplants in oil, artichoke hearts, banana peppers etc... beware that some of these can be a bit strong-tasting and not for everyone). YMMV though since everyone likes different things on their pizza.
  2. If you're eating something without meat, remember the roles that meat used to play and that you still should fill them--not by using something that pretends to be meat, but by things that contribute the same things. For example, meat often plays an important role in food's texture: mushrooms often make a very good replacement for this (especially larger varieties like king oyster or portobello depending on the context).
  3. Olive oil and balsamic vinegar can make anything taste good! Olive oil is also an important source of calories since you won't get many calories from vegetables, so you need to rely on staples (bread or other wheat-based products, oil, beans, rice etc) to actually get your calories. The veggies are for taste and nutrients.

If you don't want to try making something yourself, see if there are any vegetarian or vegan restaurants in town and try something there. Don't just order a vegetarian meal at a normal restaurant: most people with meat-based diets don't have a clue how to make vegetarian food and think that a meat-based meal without the meat (maybe with tofu in its place) makes a good vegetarian/vegan dish.

One thing that you may also notice if you try more vegetarian food is that you'll also start appreciating parts of the dish that you didn't notice before. For example, in a lot of "traditional" meat-based cuisine bread serves as a vector to transport food to your mouth and not much else (in pizza, sandwiches etc) and maybe if you're lucky adds some texture (this has gotten a lot better now that grocery stores are carrying non-crap bread). However, it can also play a role in taste as well: try out sourdough (traditionally baked bread with no or little added yeast) some time! These are all little things that you don't really have the chance to appreciate when everything is slathered in meat grease.

[–]DocAdventure 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Flash fried broccoli. Try it sometime.

[–]Deadpoint 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Vegan chorizo nachos with cashew cheese are lit af. I'm a filthy meat eater but y'all have some great food.

[–]badbrains787 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes! Cashew cheese is by far my favorite dairy cheese alternative I've found.

[–]Soderskog 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've found myself, for other reasons, consuming less meat over time while still being completely fine with eating it. I guess living next to a cow farm and having family friends who are farmers makes me biased in favour of meat production. Granted the farmers I know are generally conscious of how to properly care for both their animals and the environment.

If I were to be completely honest I prefer having meadows and open forests rather than stretches of land covered with a single plant. Both from an ecological standpoint and from a visual one. I understand why there are belts of farming such as the ones in the US, but parts of industrial farming irks me. Be it the monocultures, both bad ecologicaly and in terms of weeds easily spreading, as well as what seems to be poor treatment of the earth. For the latter claim I'll have to find the article I read some time ago again about earth-degradation.

All in all I do not believe that meat should compose a third of our diet, due to its inefficiency in terms of nutrition (the classic 10kg food=1kg meat). We should instead lessen the amount but still keep it and the grazing animals so that we can avoid having both a less diverse ecosystem, as well as a nicer countryside.

The situation regarding farm-animals is incredibly complex IMO, and the consequences of removing grazing animals can be seen in the forest that is my accoount's namesake (Söderskog). Industrial meat-farms aren't great, but if you know where the meat comes from and support the farmer so don't see much wrong in it.

For reference Söderskog is still a great forest, and I recommend anyone reading this to visit it if you have the chance.

PS. Why the hell did I even write this? I can't recall.

[–]gokutheguy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't have to go full vegan. Reducing your consumption in small ways can add up over time.

[–]GhostBomb 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Vegans vs non Vegan dialogue always seems to devolve into which group can be more obnoxious.

Some vegans need to realize they are far too overzealous and can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Some non-vegans need to stop jerking each other off about being part of literally 99.5% of the population. I eat meat too. I also drink water and breath air. Do you want to join my air breathing club? We post memes and air image macros to TRIGGER the non air-breathers.

[–]YummyMeatballs 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Some vegans need to realize they are far too overzealous and can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Yeah but honey isn't vegan so they're shit out of luck there :/.

[–]Homozygote 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I'm a vegan, I eat honey. There are plenty of us. We might even be the majority. We're not all religious fanatics. for most of us it was an easy, practical choice to minimise our contribution to animal suffering and environmental impact.

[–]YummyMeatballs 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was really only going for a cheap/shitty joke, didn't intend it to be mean spirited or anything!

[–]Homozygote 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know, don't worry! Was more posting that for other people to read. These threads always focus on the worst our community has to offer, when in reality those assholes are a tiny minority and we find them as annoying as you guys.

[–]ZekeCool505Smuggest SRDine Alien Ghost Sorceror 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Do you go around harassing vegans in your spare time?

Only on Thursdays

I'm curious about his weekly schedule now.

[–]wote89I vigorously copulated with an entire subreddit. 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sunday, Monday: Happy Days.
Tuesday, Wednesday; Happy Days.
Thursday: Harassing Vegans.
Friday: Happy Days.
Saturday: Grooving all Week with You.

[–]ZekeCool505Smuggest SRDine Alien Ghost Sorceror 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Goddamnit now I have to explain why I shot coffee on my work keyboard.

[–]wote89I vigorously copulated with an entire subreddit. 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please understand that I am both apologetic and proud that happened to you.

[–]VodkaBarfAbout Ethics in Binge Drinking 262 ポイント263 ポイント  (56子コメント)

One vegan suggested they'd murder another user for the right amount of money and then compared eating eggs to the Holocaust just a few comments later. The people whose only identity is vegan can get a bit out of it.

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (37子コメント)

The founder of LeftWithSharpEdge posts there regularly on an alt. What else do you expect?

[–]shockna 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (36子コメント)

The founder of LeftWithSharpEdge posts there

For some reason, I'd expect him to have a problem with this:

One vegan suggested they'd murder another user for the right amount of money

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Well, he also literally ran a sub full of songs about killing and eating Prince_Kropotkin, so his veganism isn't terribly consistent.

[–]GigaTiger 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I visit a lot of subs that hate PK for some reason but I don't know who he is or why they hate him, but at this point, I'm too afraid to ask.

[–]BrokenBuckets 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The far left hate him because he understands that for a movement to succeeded you need to sway the moderate, and therefore acknowledges the overly edgy, overly violent, dumb rhetoric in most far-left wing subs actually hinder the movement. And he calls them out on it.

The right/center hate him because he's unironically an Anarchist.

[–]AlpineIrregular 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The right/center hate him because he's unironically an Anarchist.

No, we love him for that. Who wouldn't love a self-proclaimed anarchist who's nine years into post-graduate work and literally never worked a job in his life?

It's like a walking cliche. It's great.

[–]Murky_Redbrace yourself... I'm a minority. GG 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's a lefty who fails the purity tests of all the leftist subs on reddit.

[–]big_babushkaQuestioning the dubious origina of the moon 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's really hot.

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just ask, it'll be fun.

[–]logique_No "phobia" here, just a rejection of Marxist bullshit. 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of his comments are political. Do I need to say more?

And also he's sometimes a bit overenthusiastic when it comes to said politics...

[–]wote89I vigorously copulated with an entire subreddit. 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just look for any thread involving neo-liberalism or left wing schisms on here and just ask the man yourself. I'm sure he has a pastebin or something explaining why various reddit factions have it out for him—at least from his perspective.

[–]cdstephensMore than you'd think, but less than you'd hope 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's an anarchist that thinks advocating for violence against people who just disagree is wrong. Far leftists who advocate for violence have it out for him, and his feathers get constantly ruffled by neoliberals and moderate capitalists.

[–]Defengara fallacy to surpass Straw Gear 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe he's all about zero waste too lol. "If I kills it, I eats it."

[–]OmegaBlue0231Space Jam Wizard 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's always a few insane ones in the crowd.

[–]TheBreakEven 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'd murder that guy for an egg sandwich. Where does that land me on the vegan hitler scale?

[–]VodkaBarfAbout Ethics in Binge Drinking 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You are a cashier at Whole Foods

[–]dirtygremlinyou're clearly just being a fastidious dickhead with words 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know how I feel about that, but it doesn't feel good.

[–]zombie_JFK 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worse than regular Hitler, but not quite SuperHitlertm

[–]lalilulelo09 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (8子コメント)

compared eating eggs to the Holocaust

Much of the modern animal rights movements has it's foundation from being started by holocaust survivors. People who experienced the Holocaust have made this comparison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_rights_and_the_Holocaust

[–]Loimographia 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (1子コメント)

TIL! That's an interesting article. Though I think the article feels a little inaccurate for including anecdotes of Holocaust survivors describing their experiences in terms of 'sheep to slaughter' terms -- I don't think these terms were criticizing the slaughter of animals (or are being pro-animal rights), because the objection is not to the treatment of animals but to the treatment of humans like they were animals.

For a weird comparison, I'm working on a fourteenth century manuscript where the author complains that Florentines were treated like dogs by the Genoese. He's not angry that the Genoese treat dogs poorly, he's objecting to being treated as something that doesn't deserve good/human treatment and is definitely not an example of early animal rights conceptions. He also likens the treatment to being treated like Jews, and I can assure you he had no problem with antisemistism lol.

[–]The_Real_Mongoosesomething something skittles 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the article feels a little inaccurate for including anecdotes of Holocaust survivors describing their experiences in terms of 'sheep to slaughter' terms -- I don't think these terms were criticizing the slaughter of animals (or are being pro-animal rights),

Actually, a number of holocaust survivors are (or were when they were alive) very prominent animal rights activists who very explicitly made this comparison exactly the way you think it wasn't meant. There was an AMA maybe two years ago by one of them, but I forget his name now :(

[–]VodkaBarfAbout Ethics in Binge Drinking 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (5子コメント)

That doesn't make it okay.

[–][deleted] 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's a reason Jewish groups largely are against the comparisons.

[–]Felinomancy 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (17子コメント)

The "-gone wild" suffix implies (attractive, female) nudity. OP's title is doing me a bamboozle and I demand satisfaction!

[–]ZekeCool505Smuggest SRDine Alien Ghost Sorceror 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (7子コメント)

[–]Sarge_WardHammer_of_Truthiness' Prodigy 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

please nsfw that link. Children browse here

[–]helpmeredditimbored 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

god damn those some fine breasts

[–]Felinomancy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mmm... I tried to gave my cats those. They were thoroughly unimpressed.

Spoiled bastards.

[–]ilikekingdomhearts 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't ever feed raw chicken to your cats. Or anyone, for that matter.

[–]PenisdenapoleonIt's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know? 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

NSFV (not safe for veg(etari)ans)

[–]polite-1 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

We need single payer bamboozle insurance.

[–]wote89I vigorously copulated with an entire subreddit. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But what happens if the system itself bamboozles us?

[–]PM_ME_FOR_SOURCEMultiracial Hellscape Citizen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then we drain the bamboo forest!

[–]afclu13[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sure. Next you'll be disappointed by the lack of porn in r/earthworm and r/tentporn.

Ed- it's earth porn

[–]whatsinthesocks 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll never be disappointed in the lack of porn in /r/earthworm. In fact I welcome it

[–]Osric250Possessed by a depressed yoga demon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But, but, here I scoured the internet to collect you all of the best of earthworm porn...

Fine, into the dumpster fire it goes.

[–]IDontGiveADoot<- actually I do 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mm, love me some earthworm porn. Nothin' like slimy pink hermaphrodites fuckin and suckin each other!

[–]xjayrooxNote to self:stop wasting time with atheists, they're all trolls 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was totally about chicks though

[–]ZAVHDOWPart of the multiracial hellscape 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Suck a pinto bean

Oh my god. A vegan insult. I love it.

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (49子コメント)

Man, this fucking comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/6ititu/the_happy_egg_company_comments_on_male_chicks/dj9kbhj/

eating meat ... [is] rooted in a kind of cruelty that only humans are capable of.

Wut.

Why? For pleasure. Not for survival, it's not necessary to eat meat. ... It just tastes good, and that simple fact is enough for you.

Well, duh.

[–]Miguk_Saram 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (9子コメント)

This person has never owned a cat before.

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I grew up in a doggo-owning household, and even the friendliest doggo in the world is capable of treating smaller animals like prey if the stars align properly.

[–]CarboloKnight Commander of the Order of the Golden Bitcoin 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I initially read that as "dingo-owning household" and I wondered why anyone would be surprised at dingo treating something as prey.

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

dingo-owning household

THAT SOUNDS AWESOME.

[–]CarboloKnight Commander of the Order of the Golden Bitcoin 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not for the baby!

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh god, horrible and sad as that story turned out to be, what a meme it was...

[–]dumnezeroPunching a Sith Lord makes you just as bad as a Sith Lord! 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Wut.

Breeding and raising animals in order to kill them later on is something very specific to humans, possibly unique

[–]Homozygote 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, thankyou. That's exactly what I was getting at. I'd also argue that chopping the genitals off of a pig without anaesthetic and keeping it for its whole life in a cage so small it can't even stand up fully, is far more cruel than tearing apart a gazelle on the Serengeti.

[–]t0ms3rv0 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seriously, it's not a complex point. Humans are the only ones who continue to eat meat when we have the choice. As a species we've gained the ability to cultivate other sources of food which, regardless of where you fall on the "moral" question, are cheaper, more sustainable and less resource intensive than factory farming. We are the only species that continues to eat meat when we have other options in abundance.

Yes, other species eat meat. Humans are the only one who developed complex systems to keep eating meat "because it tastes good", rather than as a means for survival.

Anyone seeing that quote and trying to read anything different from it are either being intentionally dishonest or unintentionally idiotic.

[–]kapitalistichhuhn 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Animals kill, torture, and eat other animals. What's unique about humans is that, unlike cats, we know what we're doing and know that it's wrong. We have the ability to be better than that, and we also have a much wider power differential.

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why do you think power differential makes a difference?

And if you think other animals don't know what they're doing, doesn't that mean that you think they aren't sapient in the way we are?

[–]kapitalistichhuhn 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do you think power differential makes a difference?

Because people with more power have a higher responsibility, and because being cruel to someone or something with less power than you is more heinous than being cruel to a peer. Don't pick on the weak kid and all that.

And if you think other animals don't know what they're doing, doesn't that mean that you think they aren't sapient in the way we are?

Of course I don't. But that doesn't mean they're valueless, or that their lives are worth less than our momentary pleasure.

I'm actually not even categorically opposed to eating meat. But I am opposed to hedonistic cruelty and environmental destruction, both of which are inseparable from factory farming.

[–]ZaalbarsArseshit look the fuck out everyone! An archive! 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

A lion eating meat isn't cruel as a lion doesn't possess the intelligence or means to decide otherwise, whereas we do.

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Makes no difference to the zebra.

[–]ZaalbarsArseshit look the fuck out everyone! An archive! 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

um but it makes a difference to the animals we needlessly kill?

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (19子コメント)

So, the statement someone made ITT that "only humans are capable of" the cruelty of eating meat inspired me to google images of animals eating other animals, and I came across this fucking epic image.

It's actually just a leopard seal about to chow down on a penguin, but holy fuck, I honestly thought it was a CGI recreation of an apex predator from the Jurassic period.

[–]Jiketi 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they were referring to mass killing, not killing in general. However, if a big cat could kill its prey en masse, it would.

[–]wote89I vigorously copulated with an entire subreddit. 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'd like to welcome you to Earth, where the best argument for eating the animals is that they're all fucking terrifying when left to their own devices.

[–]ByronicWolfi fucking hate the internet my god shut it all down 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a magnificent photograph.

On the cruelty thing, whenever I think about brutal/cruel animals I always get an image of this documentary where some kind of gazelles or whatever are crossing a river while crocodiles are stalking the river. This of course goes as well as you'd expect. One poor animal is attacked by several crocs and quite literally explodes in gore.

[–]ChickenTitilatera free midget slave is now just a sewing kit away 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why are you using the word normal OP, when you should use the word carnist?

How lame are you that you'd give up a chance to write that word?

[–]PopeFrancis 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Carnist is such a shitty term. Makes us sound like conservatives tossing around "leftist". I way prefer bloodmouth.

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like that. Makes me feel like a vampire. I'll use that from now on.

[–]de_hatron 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Carnist, as in carnal artist?

[–]ChickenTitilatera free midget slave is now just a sewing kit away 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd love to be in a carnal artist

Edit: oh God I'm a retard

[–]Foremanski 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

winner winner chicken dinner

Upvote for making me chuckle and reminding me of r/PUBATTLEGROUNDS

[–]kittysub 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Ain't trying to brigade there, so i'll post this here.

I don't understand why the goal of these outspoken vegans isn't to try and get meat-eaters as allies. They have to know that getting enough of the population to go vegan to matter isn't feasible. But, I think most people know that a lot of factory farming is awful, or at least have an idea.

I feel like they'd have a lot more success if their platform was more, "Help us fix unethical factory farming." and not, "Give up bacon forever or you're a MURDERER. FUCK YOU HITLER!" The way they currently go about it just further alienates the people who could be helping them make a change for the better.

Also, vegans who don't eat honey (IE: most of them) are actually hurting already dwindling honeybee numbers. I hope they know that.

[–]badbrains787 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A big chunk of the vegan community actually agrees with you on this point. Not all, but many including a lot of big organizations. That's essentially where the whole "meatless Mondays" thing came from recently. Most sensible vegans understand that 20% of Americans eating plant-based once a week would cause far less slaughter and environmental damage than 1% of the country eating vegan all the time.

[–]House_Bitch 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Most vegans aren't actually like that. The only crazy ones I've seen are on reddit or the Facebook PETA page.

[–]kittysub 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

these outspoken vegans

Not all

[–]House_Bitch 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ah yes sorry missed that. Eating some chicken curry so I'm just skimming through the text.

[–]Syriom 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

MURDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[–]wote89I vigorously copulated with an entire subreddit. 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think a lot of it comes down to all of it being part of the same moral logic. Like, it's a lot easier to suggest a compromise position when you don't consider the parts you're willing to let slide a moral imperative.

That being said, I agree with you that I don't think there are a lot of pro-factory farming folks out there. I think the real issue is that there aren't a lot of viable options that don't leave wide gaps in nutrition. Like, we're still not 100% sure that supplements are an adequate replacement for getting it from food, and even if we were, there's no guarantee that the poor would have as ready access—or knowledge—as they'd need to deal with the costs built into dismantling factory farming as a practice.

[–]kittysub 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not that factory farming in and of itself is a bad thing. But the ways animals are treated by some farms are a major issue. I think we need to be putting money and effort into researching new and more humane ways to raise, transport, and slaughter factory-farmed animals that keep output and profits high.

[–]wote89I vigorously copulated with an entire subreddit. 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

For the purposes of your original point, the real snag is I'm not sure there's a humane enough system of factory farming that'd also be compatible with a stance that prioritizes animal welfare. Like, we probably can find and incentivize ways to make them better, but we're probably never going to reach a point that there's still not room for moral doubt. Personally, I'm all right by that, but I can see why someone would sit there and say "no compromises are possible" with the matter.

[–]kittysub 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I mean. I think lab grown meat is fantastic. I really hope that takes off.

[–]wote89I vigorously copulated with an entire subreddit. 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah. I can definitely get on board with that, although the idea definitely gets my "protagonist in a dystopian novel" sense tingling. Like, that just seems like too perfect a solution to actually work in practice, even if I have no idea where it can go horribly wrong. :P

[–]AFakeNameArmchair Augustus 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Turns out the best flavor comes from giving the ribeye in the petri dish sentience and forcing it to experience the agony of a thousand divorces.

[–]reallydumb4realThe "flaw" in my logic didn't exist. You reached for it. 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (22子コメント)

There is none, they have not the opportunity to experience injustice, or joy, or satisfaction, or release. Some would argue if there is a chance at experiencing positivity, then life is worth living.

This guy is talking about chickens lmao

[–]Mudd-Ducky 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I'm all for ethical farming but fuck dude, it's sad how these people prioritize chickens over migrant workers.

[–]TheFatMistakeviciously anti-free speech 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The comment you're talking about is a person arguing we should eat meat because "hey, at least they got to theoretically exist!" It wasn't a vegan.

[–]YahwehTheDevil 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (11子コメント)

it's sad how these people prioritize chickens over migrant workers

Slaughterhouse workers get PTSD from killing animals, and many slaughterhouse employees are migrant workers because they're desperate enough to put up with those conditions.

[–]orangeunrhymedFeminism is Marxism soaked in menstrual fluid. 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Slaughterhouse employees have also contracted diseases

[–]Secretsforsale 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pork brain mist is fucked up shit if you inhale it.

[–]oriaxxxHow often do people punch you in the face? 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pork brain mist is fucked up shit if you inhale it.

r/nocontext ?

[–]PopeFrancis 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

A bunch of viruses breed in livestock and cross over into the agricultural workers. The leading hypothesis for the 1918 flu is that we can blame it on pig farming at Fort Riley (although there is debate over whether it originated there or if the pigs just provided a good intermediary host/increased the chance for crossover.

[–]orangeunrhymedFeminism is Marxism soaked in menstrual fluid. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't be surprised if there was another epidemic in th next decade caused by pigs or fowl

[–]lalilulelo09 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can care about both. Plenty of animal activist campaigns are centered on the work conditions of factory workers.

[–]CognitiveBlueberry 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Omniscum" is a parodic vegan circlejerk term. Anyone appearing to use it earnestly is in fact trolling.

[–]316nutssubscribe to r/316cats 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (30子コメント)

vegans sure do seem like a grouchy lot

[–]lalilulelo09 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Having the same exact conversations with co workers and family nearly every single day will do that do you. Same questions, same feign concerns, day after day. People get super predictable and grating even if it's genuine interest or well meaning.

[–]gksrnrdjlearner 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Same questions, same feign concerns, day after day.

B-But how do you get your protein?!?

[–]AlwaysDefenestrated 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (11子コメント)

My favorite part of giving up veganism and switching to being vegetarian is being able to blend in better because I really don't want to talk about my dietary choices, random guy who really likes meat.

[–]gksrnrdjlearner 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yup, I'm a lifelong vegetarian and I almost never have people get nosy about it. "Vegan" seems to set people off harder and more frequently than "vegetarian".

[–]badbrains787 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Also, I've noticed telling people you're vegan for health reasons almost always gets positive response while saying it's for ethical reasons almost always negative.

It's like people feel disarmed as long as they know you're selfish.

[–]wote89I vigorously copulated with an entire subreddit. 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's less that and more that a lot of folks are prone to taking personal offense to differences when they're cast as moral or ethical decisions, mostly because people tend to assume an underlying judgment if they don't share those views. Like, one of the many obstacles to abolition in the Southern US before the Civil War was that taking an ethical position against slavery was seen as deeply insulting by one's neighbors, because they felt it carried a tacit damning of their own beliefs.

[–]k9centipede 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I don't have a tv at home because..."

I can't afford one vs I don't believe in mindless consumption.

[–]TheFatMistakeviciously anti-free speech 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True, but being a vegetarian, I seem to get more shit from my vegan friends than they give to meat eaters.

Just met another vegan at a party recently that commented, "oh so you're another cheese addict huh?"

[–]Jiketi 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because it's more normal socially.

[–]kittysub 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/vegan is brigading the comments here. Gotta love that this subreddit always provides some extra popcorn.

[–]afclu13[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is probably the first time my text post has been brigaded. Ive lost my brigade virginity.

[–]dumnezeroPunching a Sith Lord makes you just as bad as a Sith Lord! 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As always, I end up wondering why I find vegans annoying.

It's a shame confirmation bias isn't annoying

[–]I_LOVE_AMPERSANDS 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

OP I don't understand, how can you find vegans annoying when they say stuff like this

What's sad is that you have been exposed to the reality of the meat industry and yet you choose to do nothing. Eating meat is the most selfish consumer decision an average person can make. The industry is devastating to the environment both locally and globally, and it's rooted in a kind of cruelty that only humans are capable of. And yet you choose to participate in it. Why? For pleasure. Not for survival, it's not necessary to eat meat. Not for financial reasons - a vegan diet can be far cheaper. It just tastes good, and that simple fact is enough for you. That's fucking sad.

:D

[–]ArmandTanzarianMusic大爆米花饥荒幸存者 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Im working in an egg company for now, so I have a fairly unique view of the situation. While it goes without saying humane treatment of animals is definitely important, the people working here (US farm) definitely have a different view of what "humane" means. Hell they even think cage-free laying is worse than "caged", because weaker chickens tend to get pecked to death (it also multiplies the cost, reduces egg production per chicken, and in general is a strain on operations). If anything, these so-called activists always gets laughed off as a nuisance at best.

Shaming consumers won't stop them from eating eggs. Attacking producers from the social media side is pointless, attacking farms (if that happens) puts them in jail, but ultimately they're delusional as fuck.

[–]GAAATGATTTTATAT 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (17子コメント)

It's in the vegan subreddit. Obviously people who are subscribed there share a certain belief, that is objectively a less cruel belief than the normal belief. Sure vegans can be annoying, but what right does anyone have to go into their subreddit and criticize them?

[–]cisxuzuul 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (8子コメント)

They brigade r/vegetarian all the time and sprout spout their lunacy.

Edit. Pun unintended

[–][deleted] 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, vegetarians are some of the biggest targets of harassment by vegans.

[–]Jiketi 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

People always would rather face their rivals within a group rather than face their enemies.

[–]PsySick 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For example see Bi-sexual people who face discrimination from homosexual people for "playing both sides".

[–]Thurgood_MarshallSpookbuster 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

At least omnis have a consistent moral system.

[–]banjist 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

First they came for the pescatarians, but I did not speak out

Because I was a lacto-ovo vegetarian.

[–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Euthanizing male baby chickens is morally dubious? I'm sorry, but if you're pro-choice (and I am) then there's no reason to get indignant about an animal that is hardly more cognitively aware than a fetus at 25 weeks.

[–]cyanpineappleI am, literally, the best person to have at parties. 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Eh, I've raised chickens before. They're not smart animals, but they're cognitively aware and capable of forming bonds with each other, other animals, and humans. I'm in my third trimester, and while I value my fetus's life over the life of a chicken, just about any chicken is more cognitively aware than this little (beloved) asshole.

[–]dumnezeroPunching a Sith Lord makes you just as bad as a Sith Lord! 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's not what pro-choice is about, the fetal age and abilities are not the issue, OWNERSHIP of the woman's body is.

[–]TheFatMistakeviciously anti-free speech 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

A person's body is being forced too change and it's painful and they'll have to take care of the baby after birth. And the baby is at risk of a horrible life from the moment it's born. Baby chicks are killed simply for the enjoyment of eggs and meat. We kind of are killing chicks for pleasure, which makes the situation different.

[–]gokutheguy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being pro-choice does not mean that you don't give a fuck about babies or baby chickens

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