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[–]grpagrati 1635 ポイント1636 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Good, because me and my wife have been having the same sex for years now

[–]circlejerker2000 391 ポイント392 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Everytime my wife agrees to do the sex I put 5€ in a piggy bank to buy her a nice gift for her birthday, so far she gets a pizza with like 3 extra toppings

[–]FrictionCentaur 151 ポイント152 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Not sure if pizza is super cheap or super expensive...

[–]CatpainLeghatsenia 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (2子コメント)

by today's standards of pricing I congratulate u/circlejerker2000 to a very loving relationship

[–]prsupertramp 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's like he gets sex 5 or 6 times a year. Not bad, enough to keep on hoping. Let's see, new years is one. Maybe his birthday if she doesn't have a headache that day. Valentines probably. Not on thanksgiving because the dressing makes her bloated. Gets a bj around Christmas.

[–]FuckingFuckPissBack 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like she's doing well tbh.

[–]Zokalex 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What kind of shitty marriage is that.

[–]BrienneTheBadass [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Oh, I know the second half of this joke!

So a man tells his wife this... and she replies "That's funny! Every time you make me orgasm during sex I put 5€ in a piggy bank to buy a nice gift for your birthday. You're not getting a birthday present".

[–]juuuun 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plot twist: her birthday was yesterday

[–]Strawupboater 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok dad, say hi to mom for me

[–]KubrickIsMyCopilot 371 ポイント372 ポイント  (106子コメント)

Surprised that was still in question.

It's weird the things that remain unresolved in politics long after society has reached full consensus.

[–]zeGermanGuy1 181 ポイント182 ポイント  (72子コメント)

This is due to the fact that a lot of Germans like to vote for a Person they like for his/her overall opinion rather than for the party said person is in. That way, Merkel was voted in office multiple times although her party is focused on conservative and Christian values. all other parties wanted the "marriage for everyone", except for Merkel's CDU. At least until recently when Merkel became aware that with elections coming up she needs to collect votes.

[–]Melonheader 110 ポイント111 ポイント  (63子コメント)

And she still voted against it

[–]piazza 109 ポイント110 ポイント  (47子コメント)

I think she voted against it when it became clear her vote wouldn't be the deciding vote. So she doesn't lose face with the party hardliners.

[–]JD141519 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (45子コメント)

That seems a fairly shrewd move after she announced her support (or rather lack of opposition) to the issue a few days ago

[–]DoomBot5 94 ポイント95 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to politics

[–]Mummelpuffin 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (39子コメント)

She's personally a conservative christian and doesn't really support the idea, but she didn't do anything to stop the bill going through other than personally voting against it when she saw that it was clearly going to pass.

She supported the view of the majority as a politician, which is exactly how it should be. In the US conservative christians were actively trying to gather support against the bill.

[–]billyboydogg69 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (38子コメント)

Why is Merkel jerked off so hard on this website to the extent that she gets a pass for voting against marriage equality? Your comment is interesting but at the end of the day, she's clearly in the wrong here regardless of why she did it.

[–]Spicy_Pumpkin 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Well, it's a bit more complicated than that. I would think it's her willingness to acknowledge and respect what's best for the majority even though it may be against her own beliefs that people like.

[–]Atomix26 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Because by American standards she'd be a Democrat.

[–]zlide [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not in this regard, it's possible for her to be wrong about this and rightly criticized for not going against the party line.

[–]edu-fk [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

No, she isn't. Democrats didn't vote against same sex marriage. In fact, they were the ones pushing for it.

[–]StanGibson18 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They didn't vote for it either. The matter was decided by the Supreme Court. Even more complicated!

[–]Atomix26 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

To the right side of the Democratic party for sure, but not... insane?

[–]DoesntSmellLikePalm [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Go back a couple more years and you'll see homophobia from the democrats. In the 08 election, even Obama was against it

[–]edu-fk 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Reddit: Hillary is awful, she used not be for same sex marriage, even though she has never voted against.

Also reddit: Merkel voted against same sex marriage. So brave.

[–]goh13 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (6子コメント)

why she did it.

But she did it. That what counts. She gave the people a chance even though her stance goes against it. Would you rather that they did not vote on it? Or do you want her to lie and go against her beliefs?

Also, her move was calculated. If they vote for it, she gets a historic event on her belt. If they vote against it, she can say "welp, I tried despite my own beliefs for you, the people!". She wins both ways, politically.

[–]edu-fk [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

She gave the people a chance even though her stance goes against it.

She didn't do anything. It was SPD who forced the vote today.

"welp, I tried despite my own beliefs for you, the people!"

She literally voted against.

[–]Ocktorok 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I will never support people doing weasely bullshit

[–]charlie22901 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Weasely bullshit would be blocking a vote on the matter at all, or refusing to hear the bill in the first place. Merkel could have prevented this from passing if she wanted to.

[–]Flat_Lined [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Eh, weasely bullshit is the entry requirement for politics. Besides, playing dirty when it's good for the people can be excused, I think, and I wouldn't even classify this as dirty. She fought for stuff internationally that other politicians were too blind to see or stupid/unknowledgeable to understand, that got her a lot of credit.

[–]turkeysub3000 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's Angela Merkel for you.

[–]bfandreas 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

She did a classic Merkel. She saw a tide she couldn't hold back and so she got her surfboard out.

She may have voted against it herself, yet she allowed her party to vote as they pleased. And in doing so, she ensured that the vote would pass. Even if she personally voted against it, she didn't block it either.

So to her most conservative party members she can say she voted against it. And to everybody else she can say that she cleared the path. And to those who hold her personal vote against her, she can say that she voted against it since she doesn't believe it were constitutional.

The latter will indeed have to be yet tested in court. And it is possible that a change of the German Grundgesetz will have to be made.

Either way, she has won with a brilliant political maneuver. And Germany is very well on it's way towards gay marriage.

Politics hardly fits into a one-liner. And if it does, it tends to clog up the nation's twitter feed with words devoid of substance.

Edit: The German parliament threw Glitter after the vote. And went right back to business.

[–]eipotttatsch [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The vote was going to pass anyway. She never had a majority. It wasn't her good will that made this happen. It was every other party telling her that they will only partner up with parties supporting same-sex-marriage. If she wanted to stay in power she had to let the vote happen. The credit for this should go to the SPD and FDP mainly. One called for the vote and the other made it happen by otherwise not forming a coalition with Merkels Union.

[–]ADigitalWizard [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It tends to clog up the nation's twitter feed with words devoid of substance

Savage

[–]thisisjustmethisisme 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am absolutely for the "marriage for everyone" and I do not intend to vote for Merkel. But I can understand her voting - its her value and she allways sticked to this idea. She never said she wouldnt vote that way. People elected her with her clear opinion on this matter so its indeed somehow consistent to stick to it.

I am very happy this finaly happened in germany. It is quite a shame to be so extremely late on this topic. It could have happened 4 years ago, but the spd signed a coalition contract without this. Somehow a very unlucky constellation.

[–]TheSortingSombrero 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But now there's one reason less why people would vote against here, so maybe it was a strategic move.

[–]dimmitree 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's funny because in the US everyone bitches about how people vote for party ideology rather than individual politician's opinions.

[–]bfandreas 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Frau Dr. Merkel is only mentioned on the ballot in person only in her own constituency. Germans get two votes. The first one for their congress critter and the second one for a party. And then, in a very complicated way, it is ensured that every victorious congress critter gets their seat and every party gets as many seats as the second vote yielded them.

This is how Germany ensures that first-past-the-post doesn't lead to a political duopoli. In very conservative voting districts your vote still is valuable due to the second vote you get.

Also, the parties don't get to redraw voting districts. That as an aside.

So yes, this is how people can vote for a congress critter of one party and cast their second vote for an opposing party. If done that at times.

[–]KubrickIsMyCopilot 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sounds familiar. The USA has this problem to a far more extreme point. We don't vote for issues at all. It's 100% personality. Even if the personality is repugnant, as long as it's entertaining.

[–]melosfox 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

In the recent election, I doubt entertainment had as much sway as you assert (though it was). Trump said a lot of things that resonated with people in key states.

[–]grahamsz 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Honestly if, a decade ago, you'd suggested that Alabama would have legal gay marriage before Germany, I'd have said you were smoking crack.

[–]KubrickIsMyCopilot 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Alabama didn't have anything to do with it though. It was SCOTUS, and Alabama just had to go along with it.

Germany can at least be proud that its legalization came by representative vote rather than legal technicality.

[–]grahamsz 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes I certainly recognize that the circumstances are different, but i'm generally really amazed at how quickly same sex marriage has become available in the western world.

[–]NachoLawbre [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Same reason Alabama doesn't have slavery, segregation, bans on interracial marriage, anti-sodomy laws, etc...

Someone is always forcing Alabama to stop doing terrible things.

[–]KubrickIsMyCopilot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I guess someone has to be last, and next-to-last, and so on.

[–]coopiecoop [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

although to be accurate. same-sex civil unions have been granted in Germany since 2001.

(which ironically might actually played a part in why the "full" legalization took so long)

[–]DerbyTho [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thanks, this is the one piece of useful information in this thread, and answers my question.

[–]Ciff_ 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Full consensus? You mean majority? Full Consensus is not what happened here, and is practically impossible to reach. Don't know where the general population stands but still a third voted against it.

[–]oldbloodmazdamundi 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Just have to look on Facebook to see people already being on the barricades because of this vote. Granted - most don´t even understand what the vote was for (it was celebrated as "Marriage for everyone" so many bright stars now believe we´ve opened the door to pedophiles, zoophiles etc. to gain legal marriages). Still, if there had been full consensus I don´t think Merkel would have put this on hold for that long.

[–]Rkhighlight 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

According to most polls, 80+% of Germans support same-sex marriage.

[–]oldbloodmazdamundi 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess it´s just a question how you define "full consensus". 20% is still around 16 million people who are against it, for whatever strange reasons.

[–]Ciff_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't trust my filter bubble FB ;)

[–]KubrickIsMyCopilot 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Practical consensus. Deterministic consensus. The balance of momentum. You know what I mean.

[–]Bread-Zeppelin 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

>80% for, in case anyone was wondering. Australia is >70% for.

[–]smurrph 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I don't know if the vast majority of Africa, the Muslim world, Russia and China agree with you about full consensus...

[–]jombeesuncle 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Those places are such bastions of personal freedoms.

[–]throwawaythatbrother 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It doesn't make what he says untrue.

[–]jombeesuncle 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, but we should judge ourselves against the best the world has to offer. Not against third world shit holes run by petty tyrants.

[–]KubrickIsMyCopilot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Determinative consensus among people who have at least adopted the basic concept of freedom and progress.

It's really not important what people think who don't even agree that empirical reality exists, that women should have human rights, that governments should be formed by elections, etc.

[–]scw55 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When religion and politics mix it gets messy, because you can interpret a text in a few ways.

To me, it doesn't seem right to exert laws that don't actually protect anyone on people.

If we're using Christianity as a basis of law making, it makes no sense to make same sex marriage illegal because said people may not be Christians. Besides, free choice exists in the Bible and that should be respected. Feel free to disagree with same sex marriages, just don't make other people suffer for it too. Let them choose freely.

[–]MarcBT 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ikr, this has been the norm in my country for a while now (Spain)

[–]KubrickIsMyCopilot 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Different countries lag on different matters. I think you'll agree Spain lags on some fronts.

[–]MarcBT 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's for sure, Spain has a lot of issues, especially corruption wise, but that doesn't change the fact that Germany should work on that

[–]Elchidote 148 ポイント149 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Like my grandpa says: " Everyone should have the right to be absolutely miserable for the rest of their lives."

Cheers to the queers!!!

[–]hiRyan33 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, at least you can be miserable with the one you love.

Also, aren't most of us miserable anyways?

[–]selenaltt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Meanwhile in china, they just classified Homosexual as “abnormal sexual behavior“ along with incest and sexual assault.

Sometimes, I have really conflict feeling about my homeland.

[–]subbass 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (58子コメント)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/angela-merkel-same-sex-marriage-vote-germany-legalisation-lgbt-rights-christian-democrat-man-woman-a7815846.html

Good on Germany, but Merkel voted against it and I think that is very poor signal for a leader in this day and age.

[–]Flips360 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

but Merkel voted against it and I think that is very poor signal for a leader in this day and age.

It's not that suprising, though. Merkel is a very conservative person who's sticking to Christian "values" (daughter of a protestant pastor). She might seem kinda liberal outside of Europe because non-european media reported a lot on her "all refugees welcome" policy. But she stated several times before that she won't support same-sex marriage and that her definition of marriage is that it is contracted between a man and a woman.

But with the upcoming elections every other party stated that same-sex marriage would be a non-negotiable requirement for a coalition agreement. So she took the step to "allow" the delegates of her party to vote individually (usually the party discusses certain topics and then votes unanimously -> party discipline). In doing so she took away a main campaign topic from the other parties. I don't support (most of) Merkel's policies but I have to admit that she is a really good strategist. And with voting against it she managed to show her conservative voters that she indeed is still a conservative.

Also the law is not in effect yet. It still has to be signed by the president and it is likely that some oppenents will bring the law before the constitutional court. They'll probably argue that the German constitution states that marriage is contracted between a man and a woman. So they might have to change the constitution which requires a two-thirds majority in both, the Bundestag and the Bunderat.

*spelling/grammar/facts

[–]WikiTextBot 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Party discipline

Party discipline is the ability of a parliamentary group of a political party to get its members to support the policies of their party leadership. In liberal democracies, it usually refers to the control that party leaders have over their caucus members in the legislature. Party discipline is important for all systems of government that allow parties to hold political power because it determines the degree to which the governmental infrastructure will be affected by legitimate political processes.

The term has a somewhat different meaning in Marxism–Leninist political systems such as the People's Republic of China.


Bundestag

The Bundestag (German pronunciation: [ˈbʊndəstaːk], "Federal Diet") is a constitutional and legislative body at the federal level in Germany. For its similar function, it is often described as a lower house of parliament along the lines of the US House of Representatives and the Canadian or the British House of Commons. The German constitution, however, does not define the Bundestag and the Bundesrat as the lower and upper houses of a bicameral legislature.

The Bundestag was established by chapter III of the Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany (Constitution) in 1949 as one of the legislative bodies of Germany and thus the historical successor to the earlier Reichstag.


Bundesrat of Germany

The German Bundesrat (literally "Federal Council"; pronounced [ˈbʊndəsʁaːt]) is a legislative body that represents the sixteen Länder (federated states) of Germany at the national level. The Bundesrat meets at the former Prussian House of Lords in Berlin. Its second seat is located in the former West German capital of Bonn.

The Bundesrat participates in legislation, alongside the Bundestag, the directly elected representation of the people of Germany, with laws affecting state competences and all constitutional changes requiring the consent of the body.


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[–]veganatasteakhouse 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So they might have to change the constitution which requires a three-fourths majority in both, the Bundestag and the Bunderat.

Isn't it two-thirds?

[–]tronald_dump 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

right? hahaha.

all the US liberals are like "yaaaas queen DAE merkel best world leader????", meanwhile every US media outlet seems to be glazing over the fact that merkel herself is staunchly AGAINST gay marriage, and voted as such.

have to maintain the illusion that our neoliberalism overlords are anything but right-of-center.

[–]Sevarra 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (25子コメント)

It was a vote of conscience, and she has always said that she was against same-sex marriage. Voting FOR it now would have been fake and opportunistic.

[–]unapologeticallymaoi 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Okay and? It's still fucked that she's against it? She could apologize and say she was wrong

[–]rupertbayern 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Why should she apologize for her own personal beliefs?

[–]greatvaluearguments 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Because her personal beliefs are backwards and don't belong in this day and age?

[–]wrathBUNNICU 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

And that is why people stay away from the left because "believe this or fuck you"

[–]papereel [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't feel like this should be a right/left issue. I feel like economic policies and foreign affairs might be right/left issues. But I think everyone should be behind equal rights. Eliminating exceptions for rights benefits EVERYBODY.

[–]theprefferedphallus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol I'm a centralist and think the same thing. It's bollocks and I hate how so many people in the UK act like Theresa may is a right wing nutter but praise merkel when Theresa is far more liberal than Angela merkel. It's just that the torries have back benchers that believe in stupid crap like fox hunting. Even if I think it's abysmal, I'd rather my leader support fox hunting than refusing people the right to be married simply because it doesn't align with my personal beliefs that themselves are based on nothing factual but prejudice originating from a book that doesn't even say being gay is wrong. In christianity the old testament is void, which is where it says being gay is wrong. I'm guessing angela merkel doesn't wear mixed fabrics too then?She and people like her are all that is wrong with the EU.

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    [–]papereel 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Personal beliefs are those beliefs that you hold that affect you personally. Like hating coffee. If your "personal beliefs" are affecting other people's civil rights, you no longer get to use the personal defense.

    [–]froli007 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    For real. Plus her stance could've been "I'm against it so I personally will not marry someone of my sex. If anyone else wants to, go for it." It's childish to stop people from exercising a right because you don't like them

    [–]tronald_dump 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    because theyre draconian.

    if my belief is that all whites should be sent to the Gulag, are you gonna respect my own personal beliefs? how about when i become german chancellor and votes to pass laws that back up my beliefs.

    i somehow doubt you'd hold such a radical centrist position.

    [–]FA0401 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    If anything, it shows she's a good leader. She could have made sure the vote wouldn't happen, but she didn't let her personal views get in the way of the will of the people.

    [–]QuatschForReal 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    She blocked the vote for the last 12 years.

    [–]xbettel 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    She could have made sure the vote wouldn't happen

    She did for 12 years.

    [–]tronald_dump 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    lol what.

    she literally voted to block it.

    thats the definition of letting her personal views get in the way of what germans want.

    [–]trevors685 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Lol holy shit. The amount of mental gymnastics in this thread to justify being homophobic is insane

    [–]whatswrongboy 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    yeah that is bullshit. This was the last session of the Bundestag before the election. She was forced to do this by the opposition and their coalition partners the SPD. If this issue had been forced by the SPD just 6 months earlier we probably would have had early elections because the coalition would have broke over this.

    [–]Mistatic 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If this was anyone other than reddit's beloved Merkel they would be crucified

    [–]Prester_John_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    If it was Trump they'd all be laughing at him about how he thought it wasn't going to pass and that it backfired.

    [–]Cinecentrum 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well tbh it seems more likely that a strpnger convincing point for her was the ultimatums from the larger german partys like SPD, FDP and Grüne.

    [–]chemchick27 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Really? That's disappointing. I know nothing of German politics, but I liked her from the little I knew.

    [–]Rkhighlight 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    She's the child of a pastor and leader of a conservative Christian party. It's no surprise she voted against it.

    [–]chemchick27 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Which highlights my own ignorance of her and German politics.

    [–]MikeTheAverageReddit [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    You can still like her & most of her policies, I don't get this whole 1 thing defining you situation.

    [–]chemchick27 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    But I can be disappointed by that decision. To me, not supporting marriage equality is a disappointing stance. I'm not a believer in everything is black and white, I don't necessarily believe that stance makes her an awful human being, but I still disagree with it.

    [–]skarseld [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    You can like her. I don't agree with her on many views (I'm a liberal socialist and she's a christian conservative), but I still respect her for being able to put her views aside for the greater good.

    She's a firm believer in democracy and freedom, who believes that what the people think is more important than what she thinks - something that cannot be said about leaders of countries such as Poland, the UK (Cameron was like that, though - he pulled through with Brexit, while being strongly against it and having the power to stop it), the US, Russia, China and many others.

    And for that, she has my respect.

    [–]Rassilonalpha 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (69子コメント)

    Now we just need Syria and Saudi Arabia to follow in its footsteps.

    [–]Schniceguy 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think Syria has larger problems at the moment...

    [–]gazebostorm 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    And Australia...

    [–]church_desecration 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Hardline Christians are very active in Australian politics, don't hold your breath.

    [–]HermitPal 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    How can we have two party leaders support gay marriage and still not have it. -___-

    [–]youDingDong [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I went to a same sex marriage rally in Sydney a while ago and there was a sign saying "Lost spine: if found, return to Malcolm Turnbull".

    [–]PracticalOnions 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (58子コメント)

    You're very delusional if you think Muslims would actually accept gay marriage.

    [–]garudamon11 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (20子コメント)

    same could be said of christians a hundred years, or less, ago

    edit: also, why does no one ever say "oh russia/poland/serbia would never legalise gay marriage" eventhough some of these countries are actively rolling back rights for homosexuals? in case you're not aware, no Arab country has made recent amends to the law in order to exclude homosexuals. Actually, Lebanon had its first pride event this year, which the government could have very easily cancelled if they didnt want it to take place.. like what the governments in Ukraine or South Korea do. But these countries are not Arab, so no one cares if they do something wrong

    [–]FresnoChunk 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    No one cares if they do something wrong

    Are you kidding? There's been a huge backlash about Russia's treatment of homosexuals in the last few years. Maybe you just can't hear it because people who speak up against Putin seem to mysteriously disappear.

    I don't think this is an issue of religion or race. I think this is an issue of totalitarian governments and extremely conservative cultures.

    Fuck Putin and fuck the Saudi regime.

    [–]garudamon11 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    South Korea is not authoritarian. I await to see reddit's pitchforks raised against south korean bureaucracy

    [–]skarseld 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    South Korea is the worst example of corporatism. I love the country, people and food, but damn do their politics suck. Fuck chaebols, in particular.

    [–]ponku 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I don't think comparing treatment of homosexuality in Russia or hardcore muslim countries, with Poland is too fair...

    Poland is still quite homophobic, but its far from allowing torture or concentration camps.

    [–]herbnessman 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Don't you know? Russians are the good guys now.

    [–]AngieMyst 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Russia/Poland/Serbia would never legalise gay marriage. There, I said it.

    Jokes aside, I think Russia has quite the reputation for being anti-homosexual so that's probably why few people feel the need to point it out much, based on your experience. Maybe poke around polandball for more satire of issues countries have

    [–]QuatschForReal 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    You're very delusional if you think Muslims would actually accept gay marriage.

    I said it before somewhere else. There are three lawmakers who named their religion as islam currently among the different parties in the German "Bundestag". All parties execpt the conservatives CDU/CSU voted yes. In the CDU/CSU the opinion was split, but their only muslim "Bundestags"-member, Cemile Giousouf, voted in favour of same sex marriage. That means all self identified muslim German lawmakers voted "Yes" on same sex marriage.

    Source 1: https://www.bundestag.de/abgeordnete18/mdb_zahlen/konfession/260136

    Source 2: https://www.bundestag.de/blob/513868/14a2f3f235d250a8f65f0ba218b50287/20170630_1-data.pdf

    [–]Realhuman221 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    This might get down voted, but I don't believe anytime soon Muslim nations will support gay marriage. It is not entirely with Islam itself, but rather the nations are very conservative.

    [–]QuatschForReal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    No, I hope you won't get downvoted, because that is true. Islam also certainly plays a part in the discrimination of many LGBT people worldwide. The biggest muslim population in the world lives in Indonesia where beeing gay is not directly illegal, but also not protected. They officially argue against gay marriage with religious believes..

    At the same time it is important to keep in mind that not every muslim holds the same believes, that is why I wrote the comment. It was not to claim that there aren't people and/or countries who are anti LGBT rights because of religious reasons. If we take a look at more conservative christian societies for example in Africa or more conservative hindu societies sutch as India we will find similar laws and arguments against LGBT rights.

    [–]Mexi_dude [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    Did you know?

    If a couple muslim MPs in a progressive country vote in favor of gay marriage, that means that the overwhelming majority of muslims in Germany and the world support it

    [–]Lenoxx97 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (24子コメント)

    Im a muslim and I support it, just to bring some light in your dark little hatred filled view of the world buddy

    [–]QueequegTheater 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    In fairness, you're likely a Westernized Muslim, brought up in a society with much more progressive views than Saudi Arabia or Syria. It's a much harder sell to those people who've been brought up believing homosexuality is wrong and evil.

    [–]IThinkYouSmell 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Germany didn't have same sex marriage?

    [–]Weepkay 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Not before this morning.

    [–]Thaddel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Technically we still don't have it, the bill has to be signed by the President to become law (he can veto bills he believes to be unconstitutional). It will come into effect three months after that signature.

    [–]wwag1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Can we now pls all stop praising Merkel as if she's the queen of progressive politics

    [–]neringi 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (39子コメント)

    Now this is a trend every country should go with. Congrats Germany!

    [–]patrole23 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (18子コメント)

    are you serious? according to europe germany is one of the few countries left with no same-sex-marriage...

    that was just a fast movment shortly before the elections to get more people motivated in voting for merkel.

    [–]KinshiKnight 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    They said every country. Not every country in Europe.

    [–]lynnangel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    And I didn't get the impression they thought Germany was starting the trend. Maybe that's just me though.

    [–]Mephistophos 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    If you don't count eastern and central Europe, Italy, Andorra and Northern Ireland as Europe, then sure.

    [–]not_a_gov_employee 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (19子コメント)

    Lol Germany is one of the hold outs lmao. Not a clue what you're talking about.

    [–]Randwarf 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (18子コメント)

    As Eastern European, same sex relationships are not acceptable here. it's still a long way before we get same sex marriage

    [–]Mummelpuffin 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Yeah that's gonna take a loooong time, public opinion is way too skewed for legalization to be concidered, isn't it?

    [–]Randwarf 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    Yes, it is. I once heard a close friend say he would stop any kind of contact with a person, if he came out of the closet. So, I am afraid to say to anyone that I am bi

    [–]Tiarzel_Tal 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Internet hugs for you, friend.

    [–]Randwarf 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Thanks. I discovered that i am bi only recently. its been couple hard months for me

    [–]ChemistScientist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I'm sorry to hear this sort of medieval mindset still goes on, especially with an otherwise close friend. It must be so stressful for you, having to hide like that.

    [–]Randwarf 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    i drifted away from him, after finaly realising he is a dick. and it is indeed really stressful to stay in closet

    [–]ChemistScientist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I hope this marks further changes are coming your way soon. Nobody should have to live that way.

    [–]Randwarf 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I will move out, find new friends and turn over a new page in my book as soon as i can. So, there is one thing i am gonna look forward

    [–]alextootie 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm also an Eastern European, and it somehow gives me hope that we are going to try to catch up, since Germany is not geographically far away. It may just be my imagination, though...

    [–]monxca 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's good. Everyone should be able to love who they love regardless their gender

    [–]HelpfulAssistant 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Glad to hear this is in the works! Long overdue

    [–]twoLegsJimmy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Assumed this had been a thing in Germany for ages already.

    [–]Rkhighlight 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Germany introduced registered life partnerships in 2001 for same-sex couples. However, there were many legal differences compared to a normal marriage regarding tax laws, adoption and patient decrees. The CDU, Germans biggest party (and also the party of Merkel), is a conservative Christian party that was always against same-sex marriage. So German politics rather focused on eliminating these discrimination than just allowing same-sex marriage. Since Germany votes for a new parliament this fall and more and more parties said that they won't sign any coalition agreement without putting in same-sex marriage, Merkel's party was in a problematic situation. Last Sunday, Merkel said in an interview she doesn't want to make this topic a strategic decision of any party but rather make it a question of individual conscience. That means she wants every member of the parliament to vote according to their own personal beliefs. Surprisingly, the rivaling SPD party said "OK, then let's vote for it this week" (it's the last week before the parliament's summer break) since they knew all other parties combined have a majority in the parliament and would vote for same-sex marriage. Everything worked out and the whole process took 5 days.

    [–]GOTHGRRL_PM_UR_TITS 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Germany better batten down the hatches and prepare for god to smite them with a hurricane. But for real, happy for all the gay German love birds out there!

    [–]TragicDonut 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fuck yes!

    [–]iamclippingerror 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They've done it!

    [–]Lissarie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I am seriously surprised they're so far behind.

    [–]Turtlelord42 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    This is the type of thread that you never, under any circumstances, sort by controversial. Unless you get turned on by your own rage.

    [–]fmlom [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Germany's upcoming Sharia law surely won't appreciate that.

    [–]Silaries [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    But people who love throwing stones will appreciate it soon!

    [–]Vyviel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Lol yeah lets see what the 1 million+ new refugees think about lgbt people.

    [–]abtei 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Next on the agenda: (medical) marijuana please.

    [–]coopiecoop [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    can't see that happening. weirdly enough (afaik) the majority of the German population is against legalization of cannabis.

    [–]MikeTheAverageReddit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Well yeah it isn't this great thing for everyone so it's a pretty divided topic.
    It's a good tool & maybe should be legalised but if you browse Reddit then you would think it's this insane thing that 100% should be legalised. If I could ban smoking I would, so why on earth would I also want Weed legalised?

    [–]skarseld [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Non medical too, please.

    But for real, even Poland legalised medical marijuana now lmao.

    [–]plshelp6 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (17子コメント)

    wait a minute... so is it "legalise" or "legalize" ?

    [–]Ohrenfreund 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Breaking News: Brits and Americans write words differently!

    [–]mamo1893[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Was asking myself the same thing as well. Guardian said legalise

    [–]squibblededoo 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    InB4 "why doesn't the government have a say in marriage?" "Germany should be dealing with the scary scary brown people instead!" "what's wrong with civil unions and tradition?" and assorted other concern-trolling.

    [–]Prester_John_ [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    What a bigot Angela Merkel is for voting no. Especially considering all her preachy bullshit.

    Congrats on doing what every other civilized country has already done Germany, I guess.

    [–]Renoirio [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    ITT: People saying that Germany is way more Liberal than America without seeing the irony.