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[–]zroxx2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A White House Memo article on Monday about President Trump’s deflections and denials about Russia referred incorrectly to the source of an intelligence assessment that said Russia orchestrated hacking attacks during last year’s presidential election. The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.

[–]LumpyWumpusChristian Capitalist Conservative [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's happening. It's finally happening. The biggest witch hunt since the red scare is finally starting to end.

I give it 6 months before the collective left pretends this whole debacle never happened.

[–]LawlosaurusTea Party Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And they all fall down

[–]coexistwiththechill [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

It's a bad week for this narrative after this and the CNN tapes (which I read that Van Jones himself is now saying is a hoax, despite him appearing and speaking in the video?). But I'm not really sure if anybody is going to care. Those who really wanted to latch onto this were already doing so while also holding the contradictory idea that Trump is gonna start a nuclear war with Russia (while apparently being their puppet); I'm not sure this evidence will make them budge either.

[–]optionhome [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They will ride it until they conjure up a better lie that has some legs. They tried obstruction and that died quickly. You can just imagine a few dnc people sitting over cocktails with fnn and msnbc trying to come up with something else.

[–]coexistwiththechill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Has obstruction already died? I thought they were still on that one.

How much money can we bet that they can re-invent Trump's "Comey better hope there aren't tapes" comments into "there were tapes and he destroyed them" or something similar?

[–]nklim [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Wait, what is this is reference to? Can you post the actual NYT retraction?

[–]coexistwiththechill [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Here you go,

Correction is at the bottom.

[–]nklim [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Clearly an error by the Times, but this isn't any kind of narrative-changing retraction. The FBI, CIA, NSA, and Director of National Intelligence all still confirm Russian hacking. The remaining agencies aren't refuting the story, they just aren't relevant in the scope of this investigation.

[–]coexistwiththechill [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It's a pretty big error, especially as the number in question was parroted by several news agencies and politicians to make it try to seem like anyone who doubted the claim was a brazen idiot at odds with all 17 intelligence agencies who are all in agreement that this is collusion, by God.

I agree that most readers who viewed that the FBI, CIA, NSA and Director of National Intelligence share an opinion on something would probably be impressed and inclined to take that seriously, so you think that would be enough. The fact that they slipped from those 4 to all 17 suggests that they were trying to make a point and establish a particular atmosphere rather than simply convey the facts as they are.

[–]nklim [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I don't disagree with any of that, you're right. But in terms of actual impact, this is negligible. It shouldn't be surprising that the Department of Energy intelligence unit doesn't have anything to say on Russian election hacking.

It remains that the CIA, FBI, NSA, and DIA all agree that Russian hacking occurred, which should be a pretty good indication that it's true.

[–]coexistwiththechill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agree that it's probably unfortunately negligible, but more for the reason that people are (sometimes voluntarily) swept up into the hysteria that's already been established and thus are unlikely to be moved by any retraction, more than for the reason that of course the Dept of Energy's intelligence group obviously wasn't in a place to issue an opinion so let's retract the silly thing we said before in the interest of the truth. The game is being played on the plane of what we can get people to believe instead of what the facts actually are. In other words, it should be negligible because the thing originally claimed not only had no basis in reality, but even if that thing were true, it wouldn't mean anything- as you say, those big 4 are important enough on their own. But it is negligible because people are operating on a narrative rather than a set of facts, and the narrative's atmosphere has to prevail.

Not to split hairs, but at the most, we can say those 4 agree that Russia attempted to hack (entirely unsurprising). That feels different to me from the claim that hacking occurred, thus illegitimately electing Trump, blah blah, as many in the media have claimed.

[–]optionhome [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Don't you see their game. It's the same with the global warming hoax. They want people to believe that every scientist agrees with their conjured lie. They did the same thing here.

[–]nklim [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Disregarding that global warming is not a hoax...

The retraction isn't saying that 13 of the 17 agencies disagree, just that they haven't made any statement one way or another, which is perfectly sensible. The Department of Energy, for example, doesn't have any business investigating Russian hacking when it has nothing to do with energy infrastructure.

The NSA, CIA, FBI, and DIA, all agree here. Russian hacking occurred.

[–]greeneyedunicorn2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This point was brought up by almost every Democratic operative for the last half a year. If you don't think this is a giant hit against the narrative, I have no idea what one would look like.

[–]mrstickball [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I kind of called it a few weeks back when Comey testified. The Russia narrative will collapse and the media is instead going to be reporting 24/7 on obstruction of justice or something similar.

[–]optionhome [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Obstruction had no legs. They need something new. Something outrageous that the lying liberal media will talk about as fact everyday. How about they forge a birth certificate showing that Trump was actually born in germany, and not on a US military base. They could run with that for months. "Gee this birth certificate certainly looks legit, and we'll have to go with it until we get "absolute proof" that is not genuine."

[–]Robo1p [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's actually a pretty interesting thought. The "muh Russia" narrative was the media's big thing since the election. What are they going to do after that ends? I guess they could focus on some silly tweets that Trump makes, but people are destined to get tired of that sooner or later.