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AdvocacyLeft of Liberal Gun owners. (self.Firearms)

Bab5crusade が 投稿

I want to remind you all. There are left wing gun right organization for those who are Socialist, Communist, and Anarchist. So you don't have to donate to the NRA and be a left winger without joining a reactionary gun club like the NRA.

There's Redneck Revolt:

https://www.redneckrevolt.org/

They host the John Brown Gun Club.

Socialist Rifle Association

https://www.socialistra.org/

r/socialistra

They host Huey P. Newton Gun Clubs.

“… the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition… Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.” – Karl Marx, Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League, 1850

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[–]ShotgunPumper 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Socialist and communist countries are not known for civilians having any right to keep and bear arms. In fact, the exact opposite seems to be the case. Anarchy is nonsense for edgy teenagers.

So uhh, I'll stick to the NRA, GOA, etc.

[–]N7CombatWombat -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

There are also various types of those governments that aren't as hardline, for instance democratic socialism is a different beast than Marxism.

That being said it's simplistic to look at a "pure" system when in reality many governments are made up of various parts of other systems combined into one. Social Security is an example of a socialist ideal that functions inside our democratic republic foundation.

It is possible to be a left leaning gun owner. I am one myself, it just means what I'm willing to sacrifice is different with different weights.

I also want to go on record as hating that idea, I hate how we have to vote for who we feel would do the least damage, I hate how we have to sometimes boil things down to one issue. I'd love a system based on policy and not politics, but might as well wish for wings on a pig.

[–]ShotgunPumper 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

  • "...democratic socialism is a different beast than Marxism."

It really isn't though.

  • "Social Security is an example of a socialist ideal that functions inside our democratic republic foundation."

I can absolutely agree that social security is a socialist ideal, but it's something that I personally loathe. If I had my way then every American would receive a check for exactly how much they've paid into the system over the years and then it would end. That will never happen, but you can obviously tell that I'm not much of a fan of it.

  • "It is possible to be a left leaning gun owner."

If you can find a left wing politician to vote for that's not a gun grabber then more power to you.

  • "...I hate how we have to vote for who we feel would do the least damage..."

No candidate is perfect nor can any candidate agree with all voters all the time. No system is capable of achieving that. Our system, all things considered, works out okay. I think it would work out a lot better if the government had a lot less power rather than more; that's where we seem to disagree.

[–]N7CombatWombat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I would agree with most of that, I do feel there are enough differences between the various "isms" to qualify them as separate entities though.

And you are correct on our major point of contention, I do think governments need more power in areas, particularly in capitalism, I think damn near every business will attempt to bypass regulations for profit and I've seen enough to know that many major corporations will not self regulate. But, that is an entirely other topic unrelated to this one.

I would also like to thank you for being civil and engaging my response instead of the usual internet mud slinging that can happen around here.

[–]Dontellmywife -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think damn near every business will attempt to bypass regulations for profit and I've seen enough to know that many major corporations will not self regulate

The issue there is that no government will self regulate when given too much power either.

[–]N7CombatWombat -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair point. When do we get to be ruled by computers? Damn humans keep fucking everything up.

[–]learath 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

So, I gotta ask - who do you vote for?

[–]Bab5crusade[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I didn't vote.

[–]swingawaymarell 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you were 18 who would you have voted for?

[–]SolusOpes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Good.

Your voice has no merit.

And it makes it easier for my kind to run your life.

As Pericles said, "Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you."

Your life is run by people who show up. What a terrible way to go through life. Always beholden to other people.

But I guess some people need to always be told what to do and how to live.

[–]Bab5crusade[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why would a communist vote for Hillary, Sanders, or Trump. They all serve the capitalist system.

Also my vote never matters in the electoral college anyway.

[–]SolusOpes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Spoken like someone who doesn't understand the process.

You're inexperience has been noted.

Thanks for playing.

[–]Bab5crusade[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Explain to me why me a COMMUNIST should vote for someone I don't like?

My state is a DEEP blue state. My one vote to the Socialist Party isn't going to hurt Hillary chances getting my States electoral college votes.

Also this election shoes that the loser can become the winner. Twice in my voting age lifetime. Our system sucks and our system only serves the two party system.

[–]EpicLevelBadass 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I get what you're saying, but socialism is generally used to trick the poor into murdering the successful and then setting themselves up for famine. I'd rather not support any such organization.

[–]Bab5crusade[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not like you're getting tricked right now by the ruling elite.

Oh non socialist states suffer famine too.

[–]SolusOpes 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know there's grades between socialist and "ruling elite", right?

I'm not sure one could make an adequate argument that a surgeon, or a multiple small business owner is "the ruling elite". But they're making 500k+/year and have freedom to enjoy life.

Something that is antithetical to Socialism. Because the State takes so much from those who succeed to either disenfranchise them entirely, or at the very least demotivate them.

I'm in the top 3% in net worth in the US. If you think I'm the "ruling elite", then you're a fool. But I also work hard at what I do specifically because I'm incentivized by success and the rewards that come with it.

If you took that from me by instituting socialism I'd simply leave the US, or let this country be devoid of my skill-set as I just dug ditches with everyone else.

Why work hard if hard work is meaningless?

As they say: "A socialist is someone who's read Marx. A Capitalist is someone who understands Marx."

[–]takeel88 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't pass water over a left wing organisation of any kind.

[–]jcvynn 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Funny I thought the John Brown club was antifa. I wouldn't be advocating for those who oppose our constitutional rights.

[–]Bab5crusade[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Antifa are gun owners. We don't fight fascism with speech.

[–]BaronSathonyx 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, you fight "fascism" with bike locks wrapped in dish towels, pepper spray in the face of innocent bystanders, explosives hurled at the elderly, and autistic screeching.

[–]MosEisleyCantinaBand 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

...and never in places where people haven't allowed themselves to be disarmed.

[–]jcvynn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Antifa are fascists fighting speech with violence. Free speech is a constitutional right just like keeping and bearing arms. Supporting antifa is like supporting Mom's Demand Action.

[–]BaronSathonyx 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Antifa in the US is primarily full of spoiled, entitled NEETs LARPing as socialist revolutionaries with zero knowledge of what Communism actually looks like.

The only response Antifa deserves is mockery and ridicule.

[–]Bab5crusade[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Antifascim is fascism? That's a contradiction.

I guess the antifascist Kurds fighting ISIS are ISIS or the Spanish Anarchists fighting Fascist Spain are fascist themselves?

Free speech against fascists never stopped fascism. Lettjng them have free speech just gives them a platform to spread their racist hate.

[–]jcvynn 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can paint stripes on a horse and call it a zebra, doesn't mean it's true.

Antifa use anti fascists for their name, but doesn't mean it's true.

Kurds figuring ISIS aren't antifa, not even remotely related to the anti free speech movement here in the US and a few other countries. You don't get to arbitrarily decide to deny free speech because you don't like what is being said, that is fascism.

[–]azorthefirst 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the name of something is the only proof you need of the politics of a group then the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" is a beautiful democratic utopia and the "Kingdom of Sweden" is an absolute monarchy.

[–]Bab5crusade[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The YPG and YPJ are are left wing military groups.

Kurds figuring ISIS aren't antifa, not even remotely related to the anti free speech movement here in the US and a few other countries. You don't get to arbitrarily decide to deny free speech because you don't like what is being said, that is fascism.

Ummmmmm

https://itsgoingdown.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/11-2.jpg

Ummmmmm

https://no.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/4shkm9/new_international_ypg_recruits_posing_with_antifa

[–]StellisAequus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you really advocating violence?

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[–]jcvynn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow he linked to his own post. Twice.

[–]MosEisleyCantinaBand [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Gotta call in the brigade somehow.

[–]jcvynn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No kidding, funny how the votes suddenly went positive from negative.

[–]nightstryke 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For all those on the left I have the "Perfect" book for you, it's #1 in the Political Ideologies section of Amazon! Why Socialism Works

[–]Bab5crusade[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh the irony....

https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/3iabp9/karl_marx_on_gun_control

[–]BaronSathonyx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What modern-day Communists look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcSVfLV-2C4

One of the most "well-known" Antifa groups in the Bay Area is a violent cult who think supporting NAMBLA is good idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQwfTPqn5kc

Fuck Antifa.

[–]BaronSathonyx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

An important book everyone thinking about joining these groups should read: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Socialism-Works-Harrison-Lievesley/dp/1521531218

[–]AUWarEagle82 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The safest place to be a a John Brown Gun Club practice session appears to be in front of the target.

Watch these clownish, anarchists on youtube. Scary and amusing at the same time.

[–]tultham1 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gun rights and those political ideologies don't mix.

[–]Guntergruppe 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This shit in /r/firearms is getting to be stupid. There are no left or liberal gun clubs that have as much power as the NRA does nor will there ever be.

/u/shotgunpumper summed it up perfectly:

Most gun subreddits are safe spaces for double-thinking liberals to both vote exclusively for anti-gun politicians while trying to claim that they are not anti-gun.

You claim to want guns, but you don't vote you just whine on the internet while circlejerking to some revolution LARP fantasy like some sort of left wing stormfront.

[–]jsled -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Also /r/liberalgunowners.

[–]BaronSathonyx 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Liberals get the bullet too, according to Comrade Bumblefuck over here.

[–]azorthefirst 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Only good communist is a dead communist.

[–]BaronSathonyx 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only free ride a Communist deserves is a helicopter ride.

[–]Bab5crusade[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Liberals are not leftists. They are center right.