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shlevy
shlevy

@slatestarscratchpad:

Yes, I know my opinions are weird, but do you have any point besides “Ha ha, look, someone believes a weird thing, let’s all make fun of him?”

So I do think the thing you were responding to was completely unconstructive and, at most generous, relied on an implicit “well everyone knows” kind of argument, but I’m not sure why you jumped to “the implicit argument is obviously that this is weird and we should make fun of it”.

I’ve seen this assumption jump up more and more lately, and it rarely seems like a fair reading of the criticisms being discussed. Yes, there absolutely are people who make fun of weird ideas solely on account of their weirdness without any consideration of their possible validity, but that doesn’t mean any criticism of a weird idea, or even any bad criticism of a weird idea (which, to be clear, the critique you’re responding to is) is criticism of the ideas weirdness as such.

slatestarscratchpad

I think what you’re calling “relies on an implicit everyone knows argument” is what I’m calling attacking it just because it’s weird. If everyone believes X, but I believe not X, and he makes fun of me for that - ie specifically because I believe something nobody else believes - it seems like by definition he’s making fun of me because my belief is weird. How else do you interpret it?

shlevy

I think you’re maybe using “weird” confusingly here. It sounds like you’re pushing back against people arguing against ideas solely because they’re unusual and strange when you say “making fun of me because my belief is weird”, which is very different from arguing against ideas that they assume everyone knows are wrong/ridiculous

slatestarscratchpad

Again, I’m not sure what the distinction is. A belief which everyone knows is wrong/ridiculous will be weird almost by definition.

Maybe there’s some sort of cosmic weirdness as defined in number of bits it takes to specify or something, but in human terms, weirdness is defined by social ostracization.