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[–]TotesMessengerMessenger for Totes 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (4子コメント)

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[–]local_moronRedditors don't want to give a shit. [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

it's too early in the day for this many levels of drama

[–]sekokucuck cuck cuck your voat [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

We need to go deeper. Get her to post on subredditdramadrama and then /r/drama

Inception Horn

[–]Joan_Wayne_GacyFeminist Armpit Hair Stylist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They won't post to r/drama anymore after we told a ton of trans people to kill themselves and then they posted to SW and it was a giant mess. r/Drama got kind of black balled at that point.

:(

[–]crazyguzz1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is just like that Christopher Nolan movie,

Interstellar

[–]namer98Official JIDF Representative [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Hi, mod of /r/Judaism here!

That was a shit show wasn't it?

I did have to lock it, 5 cross posts. Enjoy your popcorn, don't piss in it. Feel free to take a look around the sub.

<3

Mod /r/Judaism

[–]denversocialists [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That was a shit show wasn't it?

Yes- because of how dishonestly it was handled. No one was attacking Jews or Judiasm- they were responding to attacks by the people expelled against Palestinians. Jewish Voice For Peace goes into detail here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VG2cPkufLCFVSv4DmvRbOSQnzMdUt7so8AlrQHcXSyA/pub

Grandstanding lies about oppression ALWAYS end in a shit show, it shouldn't be a surprise.

[–]namer98Official JIDF Representative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

aayyyy

Like I read the fuckin news. I just mod shit.

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    [–]JebusGobsonUltracrepidarianist[M] [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

    Jeez Louise, talk about grandstanding

    [–]aguad3coco [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    Why are you so anti-ontopic grandstanding?

    [–]local_moronRedditors don't want to give a shit. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I always miss the good grandstandingposts

    I need a fresh zesty flair

    [–]InsomniacAndroidbecause I like asians and they age gracefully. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Why do you have to be so anti-schematic? Blue prints have feelings too.

    [–]Augmata 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (69子コメント)

    On one hand, the implications of the flags controversy, how it equated jewish people with Israel and with politics, as if simply being who you are is a political thing in and of itself, seems tragic, and I can understand how someone would feel terrible because of it. Especially it if happens again and again over the course of your life.

    That said, the OP does herself no favours by reacting as emotionally as she does. Throwing a tantrum, calling everything around her antisemitism and reacting dismissively to the mod just makes her look bad.

    Just kind of a sad situation all-around.

    Talk with them. Sort it out, if possible. If not, calmly and maturely lay out the issues. Not... Whatever you're doing.

    That's not fair. A person should be allowed to have whatever emotional response they need to have.

    In a public forum, you have a choice:

    A) React however you want,

    B) Be taken seriously.

    You may only choose one.

    or C) React however I want and be taken seriously.

    Wew.

    [–]Moritanienjoys a well done steak 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (43子コメント)

    Honestly, the whole Jews = Israel thing is not new. Matisyahu, a Jewish American rapper, was asked to state that he was against Israel in order to play an event in Spain.

    Basically, if you're a Jew, you have to scream "I hate Israel!" or you're going to have issues.

    [–]Toddsci [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    And if any Jewish group is even slightly pro Israeli they're condemned as enablers of apartheid, see here. Honestly it's no better than the bullshit some people put Muslims through in demanding they constantly clarify that they're not cool with flying planes into buildings.

    [–]Erdertus 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (41子コメント)

    Would you mind explaining the reason why Jews will face hate unless they're explicitly anti-Israel? I've never come across it before and im curious.

    [–]pitaenigmathe dankest murmurations of the male id dressed up as pure logic 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Basically, Matisyahu, a Jewish American, was asked before he perform to denounce Israel. He noted no other (non Jewish) performer had to do it, and refused. And as a result, his show was cancelled. Online hubbub got it back on. (EDIT- Source I just looked for it on google, there should be other sources for it as well)

    This is common, more so than you think. Tuvia Tenenbom writes quite a bit about it in his book The Lies They Tell

    [–]FortitudoMultisThe internet has real consequences [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    How would that conversation even start?

    "Hey Matisyahu, love your work, huge fan. Could you do me a teensy tiny favor and make a controversial geopolitical statement in front of hundreds if not thousands of people? Alright thanks, keep it real man."

    [–]lelarentakapsychosexual insecurity of evil [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Is it even controversial? Many countries have openly condemned Israel's recent actions. France is particularly vocal about it.

    [–]RedditNinjaApexTranstrender 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Why would Spain require someone to denounce Israel? Was it just antisemetic event organizers? How is that legal?

    [–]red_nick [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    The event, not Spain.

    [–]onrocketfalls [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    Since for some reason no one wants to answer this even though they're replying to you - Europe overall is very critical of Israel's settlement building and general treatment of the Palestinians.

    [–]JebusGobsonUltracrepidarianist [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    It's very silly to demand of random American Jews to disavow Israel's actions, though.

    [–]onrocketfalls [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Agreed. Same as expecting Muslims to have a big march or something every time an Islamic terrorist kills someone. If they do it, cool. If they don't feel the need to shout it from the rooftops, that's okay too.

    [–]kornonthepob [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Except when we wanna sell them weapons to facilitate that treatment

    [–]pitaenigmathe dankest murmurations of the male id dressed up as pure logic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    It was BDS proving they're an antisemitic organization.

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      [–]chinapolicywonkI'm sorry my heterosexuality offends anyone, except I'm not. 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (21子コメント)

      Successfully painting Israel as an aggressor state rather than one acting in self defense

      I can see where the fuck this thread is going, down to the letter.

      [–]BrokenBuckets 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (18子コメント)

      The drama is coming from inside the sub.

      [–]chinapolicywonkI'm sorry my heterosexuality offends anyone, except I'm not. 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (17子コメント)

      It always pisses me off, this sub should stay morally pure and judgemental. The argument should not spill to here. This is for arguments about arguments, not the core material.

      [–]damn_it_so_much 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Boy are you in the wrong sub

      [–]chinapolicywonkI'm sorry my heterosexuality offends anyone, except I'm not. 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Yeah i know, I had a burst of idealism I don't know what came over me. Jews did 9-11.

      [–]Ed_ButteredToast🚨🚨🚨༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ🚨🚨🚨 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I heard they did 7/11 too 🤔

      [–]SirShrimp [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      We need to seize the means of drama.

      [–]local_moronRedditors don't want to give a shit. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      dramamod kulaks are enriching their own karma with the surplus drama of the peasants

      [–]Standard12 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

      SRD is for grandstanding baby.

      [–]chinapolicywonkI'm sorry my heterosexuality offends anyone, except I'm not. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      choo choo!

      [–]MysteryMachinationsThey didnt shoot down any airliners during the Revolutionary War [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      The mod says no, but I'd say for all the years I've been here that SRD is definitely for grandstanding. It happens in like every single thread. Maybe he is equating grandstanding about Isreal/Palestine and grandstanding in general.

      [–]local_moronRedditors don't want to give a shit. [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      I would be surprised if half of SRDines even read the linked threads... pretty sure most of us just use the topic at hand to grandstand and argue and act smugly superior

      myself included

      [–]JebusGobsonUltracrepidarianist[M] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      no it isn't

      [–]Spawnzerdrah-mah ah-ah-ah! [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      You used to be cool dad

      [–]MysteryMachinationsThey didnt shoot down any airliners during the Revolutionary War [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      But the rules only say

      • Off-topic grandstanding will be removed

      Which implies that it is at least accepting of the practice of grandstanding in general. And since it happens in most popular threads, I'd definitely argue that SRD is for it.

      [–]onrocketfalls [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      I'm glad you said this because I was about to reply and push it further towards where no one wants it to go, but you reminded me where I am

      [–]chinapolicywonkI'm sorry my heterosexuality offends anyone, except I'm not. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      In the end it's all just humans shitting out what they believe. Unless you actually believe in god its very clear all this shit is just apes being territorial shitheads.

      [–]JebusGobsonUltracrepidarianist[M] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      Oh jeez, please go grandstand about this shit literally ANYWHERE but in this subreddit. Thanks.

      [–]BrokenBuckets [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Make Jew/Israel drama surplus popcorn then? Because it's going to happen.

      [–]woeskies [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      occupation and colonization of palestine.

      [–]amusethebouche 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (24子コメント)

      I am actually replying and having a conversation with the mods in the public thread they recommended. It's easy to throw out comments like this when doing a basic read through and having absolutely no skin in the game. And the calling everyone around me"antisemitic" comment is certainly a stretch, considering I did absolutely no such thing. The response I got from the one mod was, and I called it out. But thanks for your generous support - now I am convinced you and the person you are cherry pick quoting are one and the same.

      And really, thanks to the bot to linking to this thread and the other /r/drama thread so now my inbox can die a dreadful hatefilled death.

      [–]Augmata 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (13子コメント)

      You kept repeating how you did not want to talk in any place related to the mods due to "not feeling safe" in them. That's both ridiculous in its focus on safety on an internet forum where the worst that could happen, in this case, are deleted comments and a ban in a place that is being closely watched by several people, as well as actively hostile in how you assume several things, from the idea that all the mods are to blame for the muting, to them all agreeing with it, to them wanting to have a discussion in bad faith.

      You called the response you got anti-semitic without knowing whether the reason you were called toxic and muted was your tone or your content.

      You may be surprised by this, but I actually fully agree with your position on the original issue. But I am also tired of the attitude you show. Your petulance serves no-one but yourself. It makes you feel better in the short-term, while leading to more problems in the long-term.

      [–]donald_cheese 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      r/subredditdramadrama

      [–]Fifteen_inches 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Now hold on, she is perfectly within her rights and moral reasoning to not go into a space where she feels she would be under attack by the institutional powers. People on the internet can glean incredibly personal information from someone through innocient comments that can result in doxxing from unsavory parts of the internet. in this case Noe-Nazis. She is a big girl and can make her own decisions.

      [–]Augmata 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You are mixing up two different issues. No one has to engage in any place they don't want to, obviously. This has nothing to do with doxxing, since both the judaism subreddit as well as the openmodmail subreddit are public spaces, and therefore any info shared on either is equally public and therefore puts a person at equal risk of being doxxed.

      [–]Jiketi 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      and therefore any info shared on either is equally public and therefore puts a person at equal risk of being doxxed.

      I think it's the support they get from the community.

      [–]amusethebouche 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I just realized you are one of the mods for /r/lgbt. Thank you, truly, for this comment - and now I see there can be a real conversation over on your modmail subreddit. I will see you there.

      [–]amusethebouche 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      He was telling me that I had to respond on their terms, even after I expressed that I felt unsafe there. It doesn't matter if you feel that it is ridiculous, you are not me.

      However, if you followed up instead of feeling the need to berate, the mods and I did respond to each other on their subreddit because someone posted on my behalf and they linked my name.

      Neither my tone of my original content or posts was nasty or toxic, so yes I called it antisemitic as it was just about defending Jews at a march. I call a spade a spade. And you know what, I am proud that I am airing it all out. It's about damn time. You can be tired of my attitude all you want.

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        [–]JebusGobsonUltracrepidarianist[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Go grandstand about Israel and the "regressive Left" somewhere else

        [–]captmomo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        To the newcomers, I definitely recommend reading this thread using ceddit.

        [–]LackingLack 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (52子コメント)

        How did I guess "defending Jews" actually meant "support for actions of the Israeli government in occupying and discriminating against the original residents of Palestine"?

        Talk about twisting words, no wonder they called the person toxic. No you don't get to conflate those things.

        [–]OptimalCynic [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

        the original residents of Palestine

        We demand Homo erectus resettlement as a condition of peace.

        [–]BrokenBuckets [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

        Romans probably did the best job tbh, let's give the region back to the Italians.

        [–]TotesMessengerMessenger for Totes [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

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        [–]JebusGobsonUltracrepidarianist[M] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

        no they don't

        there's nothing to see here

        move along

        [–]The_Reason_Trump_Wonthe ACLU is obviously full of Nazi sympathizers [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

        Honest question: what makes all these deleted arguments "off topic grandstanding" ? Like this is a thread about Israel and the star of David. What makes the deleted arguments any different than the parent comment ?

        [–]JebusGobsonUltracrepidarianist[M] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        The topic is: "person thinks she got banned from LGBT for being Jewish and makes a fuss"

        Tangentially related topics that are still somewhat on-topic are: antisemitism, "blaming jews at large for the actions of Israel" and, maybe, as you put "israel and the star of david"

        Once you get to arguing about "who is right in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict" or "those on the left are the real racists" you're basically pretty much ignoring the drama and (ab)using this thread as a platform to pontificate about your politics.

        [–]The_Reason_Trump_Wonthe ACLU is obviously full of Nazi sympathizers [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Well I mean "person thinks she got banned from LGBT for being Jewish and makes a fuss" got banned from r/lgbt for commenting in a thread on a news story in which a pride march kicked someone out for having a star of David on their rainbow flag and / or views on the Israel/Palastine mess. You can't exactly uncouple all of this junk as "off topic" when it's literally what caused all this drama lmao

        [–]Ardvarkeating101_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Isn't that what happens every single thread though? Just in this one its less clear cut

        [–]DistortedLines [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Oy vey shut it down, the goyim are getting suspicious!

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          [–]JebusGobsonUltracrepidarianist[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Don't grandstand about the Israeli/Palestine conflict in here pls

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            [–]JebusGobsonUltracrepidarianist[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Don't grandstand about the Israeli/Palestine conflict and all the other ones in the region in here pls

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              [–]JebusGobsonUltracrepidarianist[M] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

              Don't grandstand about the Israeli/Palestine conflict in here pls

              [–]The_Reason_Trump_Wonthe ACLU is obviously full of Nazi sympathizers 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Thats not at all what they did.

              [–]Jiketi 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (21子コメント)

              There is no easy solution, and no side seems to be entirely in the right.

              [–]pitaenigmathe dankest murmurations of the male id dressed up as pure logic 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (17子コメント)

              I mean, you could allow people to express their dismay at a gay pride parade deciding to remove people with Jewish identity flags.

              [–]veyenngrilled cheese hotdog 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

              Statement from a Jewish group sympathetic to the Dyke March organizers.

              This group says the organizers were removing only people associated with the pro-Israel anti-Palestine organization, A Wider Bridge. Now, whether this in particular is right or not is not my place to say. It's just that they weren't specifically targeting Jews in general.

              [–]yashumiyu 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (10子コメント)

              No, even the event organizers admitted they only learned about the Wider Bridge thing after the event was done (and that organization isn't anti-Palestinian anyway). The organizers had no idea who these people were before approaching them because of their Jewish Pride flags.

              [–]denversocialists [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              The A Wider Bridge contingent loudly encouraged fellow participants to erase mentions of Palestine during solidarity chants. When Palestinian attendees approached them, they became hostile while expressing explicit support for Zionism, which was one of the ideologies that march organizers had disavowed because it has led to decades of displacement and violence against Palestinians.

              The fact that they are members of "Wider Bridge" wasn't why they were asked to leave- it was the specific oppressive political expressions they made. Pretending it's anti-Semitic is horribly dishonest.

              [–]veyenngrilled cheese hotdog [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

              Well, I took the JVP statement as truthful though yes, it might not be the case.

              It does seem to corroborate with other accounts though. In this article written by the woman removed from the event, it confirms that the only ones required to leave were those with the specific blue star flag.

              "Are you asking anyone else to leave?"

              "Yes, one other girl who was carrying a similar flag."

              "So you are asking the two people who are carrying Jewish Pride Flags to leave, and no one else?"

              "Just you, the other girl, and the religious protestors."

              If you can find a case where a person with Jewish symbolism that is NOT the blue star was removed then that would sway me.

              [–]yashumiyu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              They're talking about a Star of David on the pride flag, not the blue and white Israeli flag. They say in the first paragraph:

              Why? Because I was carrying a rainbow flag with a single Jewish star.

              Neither the marchers or the organizers claim anyone was carrying the blue and white Israeli flag.

              [–]CylinsierEdit: I am the trigger king [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

              A blue star is a symbol of Judaism, not specifically Israel. This would be like banning anyone with a star and crescent pride flag from a march and then trying to claim you're just excluding support of Turkey because of Erdogan. That's either a lie or a decision made based on an inexcusable level of ignorance in proportion to the level of control that person is wielding.

              [–]veyenngrilled cheese hotdog [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

              I'm just taking he JVP statement at face value. I have no reason not to (yet).

              [–]CylinsierEdit: I am the trigger king [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

              Well, their story certainly merits scrutiny. For one, the woman being interviewed had marched in that march for something like 20 years without incident. All of a sudden, she is asked to leave and not told it's because of support of Israel at the time. You're asking for examples of Jews with other Jewish symbols being removed. What other symbols? The Star of David is it. If they're screening people out based on that, then they're screening ALL expressions of Jewish pride out by default whether they mean to or not, and in my view they don't have an excuse not to realize that. They either know what they're doing or they are embarrassing themselves with their lack of knowledge of Jewish culture. Their statement could be genuine, but it would mean they have an obligation to better inform themselves moving forward.

              [–]denversocialists [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              For one, the woman being interviewed had marched in that march for something like 20 years without incident. All of a sudden, she is asked to leave and not told it's because of support of Israel at the time.

              All of a sudden? No, after she specifically challenges Palestinian chants and openly advocates for Zionism when confronted. So dishonest!

              [–]pitaenigmathe dankest murmurations of the male id dressed up as pure logic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Call this the first one. Then, if you look into them, you'll find more.

              [–]namer98Official JIDF Representative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              JVP has issues. Lots of issues.

              [–]pitaenigmathe dankest murmurations of the male id dressed up as pure logic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              I have words about Jewish Voice for Peace. My big phrase is "Uncle Tom", but I've got worse ones.

              [–]throwawaypopartagain 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              For what it's worth, the organisers claim they were thrown out for their behaviour at the rally and previous rallies, not the carrying of jewish identity flags.

              [–]pitaenigmathe dankest murmurations of the male id dressed up as pure logic [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

              That could have been part of the debate. Tbh, there is an unsettling amount of apologia in this thread for the r/lgbt mod who did this for their decision.

              [–]throwawaypopartagain [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Tbh, there is an unsettling amount of apologia in this thread for the r/lgbt mod who did this for their decision.

              I hope you aren't accusing me of "apologia"

              [–]denversocialists [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              You called JVP members uncle toms and you're worried about unsettling apologia from other people? Pretty disgusting tbh.

              [–]mollymollykelkelSJW Crackhead 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              You banned me for being a Jew and you banned all the Jews!

              No, I didn't. ಠ_ಠ I actually agree with OP but this post is bullshit.

              [–]amusethebouche 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              If your screen shots are right, then I am with you - and I certainly wasn't originally posting about AL. But thanks for sticking with me now! :)

              [–]diebrdie [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

              what happened hurr?

              [–]quantumffA low value person [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

              Law of the internet. Some topics are guaranteed to start a fight. Indoor vs outdoor cats, the definition of the word literally, and Israel.

              The best result is a comment graveyard because both sides are 100% convinced that the other side are ignorant monsters and will, if allowed, bitch at each other for days.

              [–]tdogredmanBlack knight [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              My personal opinion on indoor vs outdoor cats is that all cats are horrible monster animals

              [–]onrocketfalls [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              So people like that really do exist some places, they weren't just made up by r/tumblrinaction...

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              [–]DaedalusMinionRespected 'Le' Powermod [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Definitely wrong of the mods to behave in that way but holy shit her post is so whiny it is unbearable

              [–]ghmyl [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

              So, after reading all the relevant threads I still have no idea what exactly she was banned for. Unless I'm missing something the outrage seems premature. And also a little hypocritical, given how homophobic /r/judaism appears to be. One of the mods even says its fine for people to say that if you have a choice between having gay sex and killing yourself, then you should kill yourself.

              [–]PM_ME_UR_RACOON [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              The Orthodox viewpoint is very loud on that sub. Not that I'm excusing that, but it is rather unrepresentative of the views of American (and Israeli) Jews at-large.

              And to be totally fair, the voices of most of the LGBT subs are not individually representative of that whole community either. lgbt tends to bend young and radical and is highly critical of religion of all forms.

              In actuality, mainstream American Jews are pro-LGBT and the mainstream LGBT movement doesn't really have a bone to pick with the Jews, but the far ends of each (anti-religion, anti-Israel gays and Orthodox Jews) have strong opinions and the two subreddits involved here represent people more towards those extreme ends.

              [–]MysteryMachinationsThey didnt shoot down any airliners during the Revolutionary War [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              One of the mods even says its fine for people to say that if you have a choice between having gay sex and killing yourself, then you should kill yourself.

              Subreddits like these are kinda weird. I totally understand not banning or deleting comments that are literally talking about something that is in the Torah. That would be forcing an interpretation of Judaism that maybe not everyone agrees with.

              And I also think your interpretation of what is being said is slightly off. They aren't saying "kill yourself instead of having gay sex", they are saying if your life or or someone else's life was on the line and gay sex would save yours or their life, you are supposed to not have the sex, even if you or someone else dies. Self-sacrifice is very much a different thing than suicide, different enough that the distinction is important. In fact, the people there seem to be saying suicide is equally as bad, and the one person who was saying something harmful to suicidal people was banned for at least 14 days.

              I should point out that I still think this is a fucked up view, and I understand not all Jewish people hold it. But that doesn't change that a general subreddit about Judaism can't really ban specific interpretations of things, as that is just silly.

              [–]namer98Official JIDF Representative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              One of the mods even says its fine for people to say that if you have a choice between having gay sex and killing yourself, then you should kill yourself.

              I did not say that. I even removed the comment that said that.

              [–]BolshevikMuppet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              I still have no idea what exactly she was banned for. Unless I'm missing something the outrage seems premature

              It's... interesting that your argument here seems to be that if someone was banned and we're not sure why that means it should be considered a-okay.

              I'd rather have the focus be on "I can't tell exactly why they were banned, I have no reason to doubt her reporting of what the mod told her was the broad reason, and that's messed up."