Anonymous asked:
That’s hard to answer because Unsong is a combination of every interesting story idea I’ve ever thought of, all collided together into a giant mishmash. I hope this doesn’t show through too obviously.
Anonymous asked:
That’s hard to answer because Unsong is a combination of every interesting story idea I’ve ever thought of, all collided together into a giant mishmash. I hope this doesn’t show through too obviously.
TIL: JRR Tolkien’s great granddaughter, Ruth Tolkien, is the only blind person in the UK to be a competitive fencer. She is currently ranked the #186th best fencer in the country.
(at a lecture on the Oedipus complex)
Lecturer: Oedipus was a character from Greek mythology. He was the son of Laius and…uh…um…
Me: Jocasta?
Lecturer: No, that was his wi…wait, I’m an idiot.
At the child psych hospital, we have a kid who came in with a photo of his parents, freaked out when staff tried to take it away from him, said he carries it with him everywhere he goes.
Those of you who haven’t worked in institutions before are probably saying “Awww, how cute, he really loves his family.”
Those of you who have worked in institutions before are probably asking “Was there a shiv hidden in the photo frame?” And yeah, there was.
I wish I could just start appointments by asking “So, do you prefer mildly condescending platitudes, or medications with a bunch of side effects?”, and then people could just tell me, and I wouldn’t have to guess, and they couldn’t get angry if I gave them the one they wanted.
There’s a court case called Tarasoff where a psychiatrist’s patient killed someone, and they found the psychiatrist liable for failing to warn the victim. The case established a “duty to warn” - psychiatrists need to warn anyone threatened by any of their patients that there’s a guy out there trying to kill them. This makes sense and has basically been universally accepted.
The other day I went to a lecture on so-called “Tarasoff expansions”. The guy giving the lecture basically admitted they made no sense. The principle seems to be that if anyone ever does anything bad, people can sue their psychiatrist and and win.
So for example, suppose you treat a psychotic person in the hospital, and after they’re better, you let them out. There are no signs of any problems and they are exactly like all your other successfully-recovered psychotic patients. Then a few months or years later they stop taking their medicine, snap, and attack someone. Can the victim sue you? You bet they can. Can they win? If the judge and jury really want someone to blame, absolutely. The specific charge will be that you failed in your “duty to warn”. To warn who, exactly? Uh, the general public. About what? Uh, that somebody might become a threat a few years down the line.
None of these cases specify what it means to warn the general public. Also, you can’t actually tell the general public about any specific patients of yours, or you could be sued for violating confidentiality. Also also, you have only the faintest idea which of your patients might become violent in the long-term future.
(also, it doesn’t have to be violence. One person got successfully sued under a Tarasoff expansion case because their patient drove under the influence and killed someone in a car crash)
One of my colleagues suggested some kind of non-specific warning. We came up with the idea of hiring one of those skywriter planes to write the message “PSYCHOTIC PEOPLE MIGHT BE TRYING TO KILL YOU” in the air above major cities. Sounds like this can’t possibly go wrong.
Public service announcement: if you have a kid with some kind of horrifying predatory criminal, and now your kid is a horrifying predatory criminal, and you have no idea how this happened because the father left before he was even born and your new husband is a great guy and you’ve both always done your best to raise your kid well and give him a good home, your kid’s psychiatrist will listen empathetically to your story, and then empathetically give you a copy of The Nurture Assumption.
…maybe not actually. But it will definitely be on his mind. And maybe it would get people to stop having so many kids with horrifying predatory criminals. Seriously, I’m doing inpatient child psychiatry now and I get multiple cases like this every day.
It’s horrible to call anything about a terrorist attack “funny”, but it’s definitely something that the ringleader of last week’s terrorist attack in London was featured in a documentary about jihadists living in Britain. Kind of makes it harder to pull the “nobody could have predicted this” card.
But I sympathize with the British police in this one. Every so often some mentally ill person commits a violent crime, and the news focuses on how their psychiatrist had written in their notes that they were potentially violent, likely to commit crimes, et cetera. And people ask “everyone knew this could happen; why didn’t anybody do anything?”
And the answer is: being the sort of person who seems likely to commit a crime isn’t illegal.
I assume that if someone reports a potential terrorist to the British police, they tap their phones and keep a watch on them and so on. But (especially if the potential terrorist is a citizen) I’m not sure what else they can do without sacrificing the principle of “innocent until proven guilty”. Freedom of speech isn’t just about being able to say politically incorrect things at colleges, it also means you can’t lock up a Muslim for saying “Those ISIS people seem to have some bright ideas” on national TV.
I wonder if someone in intelligence services has put together a list of people they would like to be able to lock up forever if we ever became a police state. And I wonder if anyone has ever looked back on the list a couple years later to see how many of those people actually ever caused any problems. My guess is that even a really good intelligence officer would have a lot of trouble coming up with a list like that where fewer than 99% of the entries were false positives. And that means that even knowing that some recent suspect was on a list like that doesn’t mean anything necessarily went wrong.
https://srconstantin.wordpress.com/2017/06/27/in-defense-of-individualist-culture/ is a good post. The summary:
1. Individualism and strong communities both have good points and bad points
2. But individualism is better
3. Also, you couldn’t rebuild society on the model of a strong community anyway, because if you tried people who didn’t like it could leave, and you’d have to become a tyranny to prevent that.
4. It’s perfectly fine to have a generally individualistic society where people are allowed to voluntarily form communities that they like.
5. And realistically we should expect most people to eventually exit from them.
6. If those are good nice communities, people will exit peacefully.
7. If they’re bad communities, they’ll use a lot of abuse and shaming to keep people from exiting, but eventually people will still exit.
8. And in any case, we’ll always have regular individualist society, which is pretty good.
Sarah mentions Ron Dreher’s “Benedict Option” thing as an example of someone forming a community in a generally individualist society where they can do what they want, and so sort of a success story. But I actually find Dreher really scary.
Dreher’s fundamental question is: what if regular individualist society becomes unbearably bad? What if the best culture isn’t the one that succeeds in a free marketplace of ideas? Or, more idiosyncratically: what if Moloch wants to kill everything you love?
(this second one is definitely true for everyone, but I mean in the sphere of culture in particular, in the short-term)
Like, what if arguments for false things are more convincing (to the average person who debates politics) than arguments for true things? What if certain ways of life are irresistably addictive but ultimately unsatisfying? What if the Iron Law of Institutions / the principle of cancer means that people who defect against everyone else in certain ways will inevitably rise to the top?
Dreher’s plan is “build your own community isolated from the greater culture behind strong walls”. The problem is, either you restrict information flow and exit rights (in which case you’re abusive and evil) or you allow these things (in which case Moloch can still get to you and you’re dead).
The only reason Dreher isn’t more pessimistic than he is is because he’s Christian and assumes God will sort this out in some sense. Like, he talks about “preserving” Christian culture until such time as the outside world is ready for it, but more realistically, he’s trying to slow entropy. Which is a fine thing to do as long as you realize you’ll fail at some constant rate until you die.
I don’t care about Christianity. What scares me is the possibility that the kinds of cultures that promote *my* values are memetically unfit. Liberalism hasn’t been looking so healthy lately. There are all these people saying that we should stop resolving problems through debate, that violence is good, that free speech is stupid, that scientific truth-seeking should be circumscribed by the greater good, et cetera. These people are on both the left and the right, but the left is scarier since it has momentum and the tide of history on its side. The left is losing badly in the sense that Republicans control everything, but most Republicans are sort of idiots (sorry, it had to be said) who are resisting illiberalism for the wrong reasons, kind of by coincidence. Like, regressive-leftism would have conquered everything by now except for the weird coincidence that 51% of the population is kind of crazy in a way that happens to exactly counterbalance them. THe number of people who are resisting for the right reasons is a small minority.
I think this is what the (tiny percentage of) insightful NRx people are saying. That everything other than the worst Twitter hatemob you’ve ever seen is an unnaturally low-entropy state, and is going to fail unless we use the traditional tools of closed societies (eg restriction of information, autocracy, etc) to protect ourselves from it. That tolerance and free thought are basically as fragile as the strains of Christianity Dreher wants to save, only without the illusion that God is protecting them.
But even tyranny isn’t a long-term solution. Tyrannies eventually fail: the USSR fell, most cults dissolve quickly, this isn’t *actually* a good fix. Instead, I think it’s more useful to just argue for good things and against bad things as best I can, hope that I’m part of the gradient pushing towards a better attractor state. Also, genetically engineer people for higher intelligence to change the game in our favor. Also, AI.
The fact that you put “genetically engineer people for higher intelligence“ on your short list of solutions to society’s deepest problems is both terrible and a pretty succinct summary of the problems with rationalism.
Do you really think it helps to just say something is bad without mentioning any specific criticisms?
Yes, I know my opinions are weird, but do you have any point besides “Ha ha, look, someone believes a weird thing, let’s all make fun of him?”
Is this post supposed to end with anything other than me feeling a bit more miserable on an already miserable day, and some extra hostility between rationalists and whatever it is you are?
If not, why did you post this?
Yes, I know my opinions are weird, but do you have any point besides “Ha ha, look, someone believes a weird thing, let’s all make fun of him?”
So I do think the thing you were responding to was completely unconstructive and, at most generous, relied on an implicit “well everyone knows” kind of argument, but I’m not sure why you jumped to “the implicit argument is obviously that this is weird and we should make fun of it”.
I’ve seen this assumption jump up more and more lately, and it rarely seems like a fair reading of the criticisms being discussed. Yes, there absolutely are people who make fun of weird ideas solely on account of their weirdness without any consideration of their possible validity, but that doesn’t mean any criticism of a weird idea, or even any bad criticism of a weird idea (which, to be clear, the critique you’re responding to is) is criticism of the ideas weirdness as such.
I think what you’re calling “relies on an implicit everyone knows argument” is what I’m calling attacking it just because it’s weird. If everyone believes X, but I believe not X, and he makes fun of me for that - ie specifically because I believe something nobody else believes - it seems like by definition he’s making fun of me because my belief is weird. How else do you interpret it?
I am trying out the thing where you just have one thing you mean to do each day. (This seems good because I feel like there are too many things, but looking at these sentences, I wonder if I should just use some words other than ‘thing’ to describe some things.)
Yesterday I meant to pack up my Michigan house to move (which we will do this weekend hopefully). And I basically did it, modulo some bits that had reasons to wait. Highlights included hearing the ins and outs of being a priest, with one who came by with his parishioner to collect a bed, and managing to throw away several thoroughly loved pairs of underpants that failed to pass the ‘would anyone substantially reduce their opinion of you if they ever saw them?’ test.
Today I meant to be at work for ten hours, and I am three minutes away from it. So I won’t have time to put up this pretty graph I just made of how doomed we all are from AI according to AI researchers. So I’ll put it here quickly instead, and put it up tomorrow. (Do you like it? Should I change it?)