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[–]GingerGrindr(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Are you fucking serious? I can't believe that's the reply they sent to you- that's awful!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's pissed though. Your post really hit the nail on the head about what I've been trying express recently. I try to stay out of a lot of these conversations because they tend to go nowhere good and because I feel bad for shitting on people in my political sphere but people need to be held accountable for their behavior, that includes people in the left. I think this is even more important to talk about right now since these people seem to be getting bolder and more outspoken. I think it's insane that some leftists are calling politicians Nazi's while simultaneously making antisemitic remarks. I think it's insane that leftists are claiming intersectionality and equality while simultaneously excluding Jews. I used to see a lot of borderline antisemitic stuff but now I'm seeing outright, bold antisemitism. I feel like I'm just going on another rant right now instead of actually presenting my case.

[–]amusethebouche[S] 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, I am with you Ginger. It's nice to know I am not alone. Sometimes I feel truly isolated.

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    [–]aggie1391Conservative 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The anti-Semitic left is still fringe. It's not embraced by the mainstream at all. Voting for people opposed to abortion rights, LGBTQ rights, environmental protections, a social safety net, etc is reprehensible to us. Of course we support the Dems, despite some fringe people embracing anti-Semitism.

    And I'm proud of the Chick-fil-A boycott. What was disgusting was the number of people who flooded to their stores to support their bigotry.

    [–]JoeFalchetto [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    The anti-Semitic left is still fringe.

    Depends where you are. In some European countries it is relatively strong - although they of course hide behind the "anti-Zionist" banner.

    Corbyn is an anti-Semite for example. Or, at the very least, does nothing against the Antisemitism in his party.

    [–]DonQuixoteReferenceInching Towards Orthodoxy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Many of us find voting for someone like Trump a sickening prospect. If we don't vote Democrat, we don't vote, which helps Republicans.

    [–]FE21Team Murex [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    Or vote for Republicans that aren't Trump. That's usually an option.

    [–]DonQuixoteReferenceInching Towards Orthodoxy [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    I'm about sick and tired of your reasonable responses.

    [–]FE21Team Murex [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Maybe one day you'll decide to take the plunge and go full Orthodox, and then I won't feel the need to constantly respond. :P

    [–]DonQuixoteReferenceInching Towards Orthodoxy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Funny, I was just talking to a rabbi about that today.

    [–]FE21Team Murex [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Yes? And?

    [–]DonQuixoteReferenceInching Towards Orthodoxy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Well, I like what he had to say. It's complicated, though.

    [–]gdhhornAfro-Sephardic 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Is this really the end of the line for Jewish equality? Do people really think we are undeserving of even the slightest bit of human respect and empathy?

    The LGBTQ community has a serious problem with bugotry that it refuses to face.

    [–]goldiespapaLiberal 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I can tell you that a segment of it (the much smaller, angrier, activist segment) has been coopted and brainwashed by Palestinian activists. They truly honestly believe that "anti-Zionism" means "anti-Islamophobia" and "anti-colonialism," and, unfortunately, they are in no mood to be corrected, especially if you're white and male.

    [–]Louis_FarizeeQuit Labeling Me 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Is this really the end of the line for Jewish equality? Do people really think we are undeserving of even the slightest bit of human respect and empathy?

    Sadly, yes.

    [–]asdfjlk556 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (30子コメント)

    My alt account was banned from /r/actuallesbians for the same thing. I didn't even post a textpost, I was commenting on someone else's post. I looked back at the thread recently and it's a graveyard -- every single one of the commenters who identified themselves as Jewish were deleted and banned from the sub. When I asked why I was banned, I was muted from messaging the mods.

    Meanwhile, they left up comments from a woman who was literally saying the Holocaust wasn't a big deal, until I reported her.

    This is disgusting.

    [–]nosnivelJewish comma very 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    What the actual F????????

    [–]doughboy011 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    As a lurker, does this sub have a history of anti homosexuality? I know other religious subreddits have had that problem.

    [–]mollymollykelkelReform [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Not really or at least I haven't seen it. I'm sure there are Orthodox/conservative Jews here that are against it. Usually you see those types of people coming from more radical religious subs/political subs.

    [–]amusethebouche[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    We have had many trans Jews posting here, gay Jews, and I opened this post specifically about being a queer Jew and got nothing but love and support. So I think that answers that question.

    It's funny why this person asked this question, considering I came here for support from an lgbt page for lgbt support, and only got it here.

    [–]mollymollykelkelReform [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Look at our ban list from the last few days and compare it to the usernames in that thread. Here is my modmail exchange with this user's now deleted main account. Regardless of how you feel about me or the sub, this user is lying.

    [–]mollymollykelkelReform -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (24子コメント)

    This is false. Only two people were banned and they were banned because they had never posted in AL before while having a post history in a hate subreddit. I asked our other Jewish mod what to do (I'm only a convert) and she felt like that particular thread/another that was posted earlier today where everyone was essentially breaking rule 1 wasn't productive. We had quite a few threads on it that remained for some time. It's really convenient for you to make these claims but delete your account. If we remove comments one reports why is that considered nefarious? Sometimes we go do things IRL and don't see them until we check the queue.

    EDIT: For those who are skeptical, please look at our ban list from the last few days and compare them to the usernames from the thread this user linked. Here is the modmail exchange I had with this users now deleted main account. Regardless of how you feel about me, this person is straight up lying.

    [–]asdfjlk556 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (23子コメント)

    Blatant lie, my alt account had a 4 year post history on /r/actuallesbians including front page posts, all positive. And we're just supposed to take you at your word that some of your mods are Jewish and that makes it ok to nuke all Jewish viewpoints in that thread? No one has to take my word for it, just look through that nuked and locked thread that was perfectly civil (if passionate) and see for themselves. I'm not sure how to find an archived post of the deleted comments but if someone finds it they will see they all were civil. Why lock a thread about a genuine issue that members of your community are hurting from?

    [–]mollymollykelkelReform -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (22子コメント)

    Why'd you delete some of your own comments then delete your account if you have nothing to hide? Perhaps to scrub all the evidence of your participation in a hate subreddit (one that promotes the "globalist" anti-Semitic conspiracy no less)? Self-deleted comments/profiles can't be archived by Ceddit. One thread had all posts removed from it and the one you link to has other Jewish viewpoints remaining. Of course you accuse me of lying about my faith. Go back in my profile history and you'll find posts where I discuss my conversion process. I specifically asked the other mod for guidance because I wasn't sure what to do and I felt she was more capable of making an informed decision due to her life experiences. We're unsure of how we'll proceed but at the moment any decision we make will anger someone. This situation hurts us as much as it hurts anyone else. You're not interested in having a genuine discussion. You just want to divide people and cause drama. Otherwise you wouldn't be making alt accounts to hide your post history.

    [–]asdfjlk556 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    You must have me confused with someone else, why would a Jew be posting in anti Semitic threads? What hate sub are you referring to exactly? I don't get why you're expressing so much concern about me having an alt account when it's clearly necessary to deal with ban-happy mods across your sub and /r/LGBT.

    Anyway this isn't about me, it's about /r/actuallesbians and your role as a mod. I just went back to check and I don't see any other open threads about the dyke march. Feel free to link if I missed it but all I see is the nuked thread.

    If you're unsure of how to proceed, I'll tell you a good faith way to do it: have a stickied megathread about this event and anti-semitism in the LGBT community and invite your Jewish members to speak freely. Reach out to this sub and have an actual conversation about it instead of getting defensive. And give people warnings before banning outright for engaging civilly in conversation.

    [–]amusethebouche[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But you do have a really good point. I am for an open discussion thread there, great idea /u/asdfjlk556!

    [–]mollymollykelkelReform -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    You're accusing us of banning you for being Jewish. That's the only reason I responded to your post at all so this is definitely about you. Do you expect me to not get defensive when you make baseless accusations of anti-Semitism towards a mod team with Jewish members while hiding your intentions? Why would you need an alt account to post on /r/Judaism to avoid the mods of /r/LGBT or AL? If your account was already banned, why would it even matter if you posted here on your main account? You didn't feel the need to post to GenderCritical on an alt to make transphobic comments yet you need one now? Your cause here is beyond transparent.

    [–]amusethebouche[S] [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    Well, I am posting with my alt account because I am already getting spammed with hate mail. So it is understandable.

    [–]mollymollykelkelReform [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    Honestly it's more suspicious to me that they deleted their main account in addition to making this alt account. They had a long history of making transphobic posts (stuff like "all trans women are rapists," "trans women are men in dresses," etc). They definitely were not banned for being Jewish. However, since they deleted their main account, there's no way I can retrieve their post history or show you the comments they deleted before deleting their account. It's important to note that deleting one's account does not erase the posts the account made automatically. Reddit uses a script to prevent self-deleted comments/profiles from being retrieved after deletion so in my view they're trying to be deceitful. If you look at the thread on Ceddit, all of the [deleted] posts are theirs.

    [–]amusethebouche[S] [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    Well, as I have no skin in this particular game, I am just going to but my nose out of it. Transphobic and/or antisemitic comments are a no go for me, and I want nothing to do with anyone who says either. I hope it works out in the right way for all.

    [–]mollymollykelkelReform [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    The situation is really frustrating because I would never allow a mod of AL to ban someone for being Jewish. They'd be removed immediately. I've personally been very open about how Judaism has helped me. By this person deleting their account, they've made it difficult for the mods to defend themselves and the lack of evidence isn't going to bode well in a thread that's already critical of mods (even though AL and LGBT don't have the same mods). The mod that responded to you is a person in my support network and she was really helpful over Chanukah particularly because my dad is fairly anti-Semitic (he's Roman Catholic) and was really upset with me for celebrating it publicly. I understand that people have no reason to believe me but this time period has been a struggle for everyone.

    [–]amusethebouche[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    I am going to jump in here.

    I did post my original text post to /r/actuallesbians before /r/lgbt. While it was deleted, and I did message the mods, I wasn't muted or banned. I did receive a very respectful message in turn - even if it wasn't one that I could fully accept as especially fair considering the political climate. But it certainly was not like what happpened to me at /r/lgbt.

    Just my 2 cents, for what it is worth.

    [–]mollymollykelkelReform 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    even if it wasn't one that I could fully accept as especially fair considering the political climate

    I don't think that position is going to be permanent. We're trying to figure out a way to civilly facilitate that discussion which likely means having mods around to moderate in real time/setting certain guidelines specific to that conversation. The latter isn't for Jewish people participating. It's for people who don't understand all the details of the situation (particularly Zionism). Right now we're getting some posts that are attacking trans people specifically. (I guess someone involved in organizing the Chicago Dyke March is trans? That's all I can gather from it.) We need some time to organize.

    [–]amusethebouche[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I do understand, people can be very, very cruel when it comes to Jews, Israel, Jews and Israel, etc.

    But unfortunately this would never happen with any other minority in what is supposed to be an inclusive environment. And that is the problem, not specifically the mods at /r/actuallesbians.

    [–]mollymollykelkelReform -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    But unfortunately this would never happen with any other minority in what is supposed to be an inclusive environment.

    I don't really agree with this in regards to AL specifically. I don't have the historical context for /r/LGBT as I've only been a mod there for a few months. We've had a ton of problems over the years with discussions regarding Muslims, trans people, racism, and even other members of the LGBT community. We've actually had to make it a subreddit policy to disallow certain topics regarding trans people/bisexual people because there was so much harassment/toxicity going on. Sections of the LGBT community have a lot of issues with other minorities. I'm not trying to minimize the gravity of this situation with that statement. It's just I've seen this same situation play out in the past and it's an issue people have been trying to address within the community for a long time.

    [–]amusethebouche[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    No, you are certainly right in that regard. I will take that into major consideration. Thank you for that!

    [–]javatimesAgnostic [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    (it's a dyke and trans march. a lot of their organizers are trans.) ((it's ok r judaism, i'm tribe))

    [–]mollymollykelkelReform [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Okay that explains where all the random transphobes were coming from. When I went to sleep this morning I was having a difficult time finding reliable sources to figure out what was going on. Now it all makes sense.

    [–]javatimesAgnostic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    yeah, that march has been actively trans inclusive (including, trans men) since 2005-ish. It's basically the radical, non-corporate Pride parade

    [–]asdfjlk556 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Did the mods explain why it was deleted? Right now I'm looking for any open and active thread on this topic in that sub and I don't see any, so while I'm glad they didn't ban you the fact that your post was deleted doesn't give me much hope.

    [–]amusethebouche[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Two messages:

    we're removing conversations about what happened in chicago. it's just too controversial and talking about it here is just asking for trouble.

    I'm really sorry, but honestly I just don't know. This is a really challenging situation, and no matter which way we moderate it will get people angry, so the direction we're taking is to disallow everything.

    [–]asdfjlk556 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow, it's controversial so ban people from discussing a vitally important issue. Sad. Best way to moderate it would have been let people talk and only delete in the most egregious situations.

    [–]tayaravaknin 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (46子コメント)

    Let's see if a /r/lgbt mod wants to answer for this:

    /u/flashstorm
    /u/Fifteen_inches
    /u/koronicus

    Picked 3 active ones I saw. Let's see if they have something to say, since they muted a user's modmail without explanation and banned them.

    [–]ElementarrrryPM_ME_SOURCES_ABOUT_WOMEN_IN_JUDAISM (Orthodox) 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /u/donquixotereference posted there, let's see if they bother responding/how long the post stays up

    https://www.reddit.com/r/LGBTOpenModmail/comments/6jwwq9/fine_ill_bite/

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    [–]LstEch0That Lady in Shul 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    R/LGBT is horrible. I'm a trans woman and I avoid it. The mods are insane there

    [–]amusethebouche[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The trans community needs to be supported the most, in my opinion- I am sorry you have found yourself unwelcome in a community that prides itself on being morally upstanding. If you ever need an open ear, I am truly here whenever.

    [–]squibblededoo 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    No shit. I was banned on my alt for saying that I would let a friend know if I knew a person he was going on a date with was HIV+

    [–]LstEch0That Lady in Shul 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Isn't it like against the law to not disclose that?! 0-0

    [–]squibblededoo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's certainly against the law for the person in question not to disclose it - it's considered assault with a deadly weapon.

    In a perfect world, everyone would obey that. But this is not a perfect world. If violating someone's privacy could potentially save my friend's life, I'll happily do it with a clear conscience.

    Apparently the mods of /r/LGBT consider that objectionable enough to warrant a ban.

    [–]cjskittles 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There are some really nasty people there.

    [–]DonQuixoteReferenceInching Towards Orthodoxy 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If you feel like it, pm me the name of that mod. I know those people and can have some words with them.

    [–]amusethebouche[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It was an off post mod message, there doesn't say a name, just [M]. Just cruel and indifferent behavior for no reason.

    [–]iknowyouright 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm so sorry that happened to you. I too have received vitriol (off reddit) for denouncing the antisemitic actions of Chicago Dyke March.

    The far left portion of the LGBTQ community thankfully does not represent the majority of the community. I hope you find more support in the future from people who aren't anti-semites.

    [–]yashumiyu 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's true. This didn't happen in the main Pride event, it happened in an the alternative march, the kind that bans U.S. flags and is basically a collection of misc tumblr buzzwords. It's important to make the distinction because the far left has ALWAYS been a cesspool of antisemitism. Always. The mod's reaction was utterly bizarre so I'm going to guess they're a far leftist as well.

    [–]Tzipity 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ugh. Internet antisemeticism is frightening rampant. I'm so sorry. I'm pretty active on Twitter in the Israel/US political scene as well as tweeting about disability and feminism and nothing gets me hate like just being visibly Jewish. Lucky haven't been personally attacked for anything I've said about the dyke March (got lots of support actually!) but I'm sorry that you have.

    And amen to your second part, this is not the majority of the LGBTQ community.

    [–]ninjaofpatienceJew-ish 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    /r/lgbt has been toxic and hateful for years, /r/ainbow is much better community.

    [–]amusethebouche[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I am going to check that out right now! Maybe try re-posting my text. Thank you, darling!

    [–]ninjaofpatienceJew-ish 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not a problem, good luck!

    [–]cjskittles 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Whoever that mod is is a coward for banning you without any reason and not giving their name.

    [–]StrangerSkies 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    As a Jewish queer woman as well, I've always sadly accepted that the two communities don't mix. I've never felt like I could exist in one place in one world, but always as either queer or as Jewish, and that's always come from both sides of the fence.

    [–]Tzipity 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is one reason why I think Jewish queer groups are so important. Because there's so many ways we're never going to fit in mainstream Judaism/Jewish world or the mainstream LGBT world.

    [–]yashumiyu 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I'm an Israeli Jew who has been following stories like this pretty closely and I feel so bad for hard left leaning diaspora Jews, truly. Women LGBT in particular are hit hard, I'm not really sure why but that's what I observed. Spaces that used to be accepting and nurturing have suddenly become vicious and hostile. I see the hurt and confusion all the time and I wish I could do something to help, my only advice is to find other Queer Jews who feel the same way because let me tell you, they're out there in droves. I know because I see them all the time.

    [–]yohakoha 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Women LGBT in particular are hit hard, I'm not really sure why but that's what I observed.

    Definitely, I've observed it too. Male-dominated LGBT spaces sometimes have bruising arguments about Israel, Palestine, and Zionism, but they don't have the kind of ironfisted thought policing that seems to happen in female-dominated spaces, at least as far as I can tell from reading the Facebook page for this dyke march and lurking a bit in lesbian subreddits.

    [–]yashumiyu 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's embarrassing to admit but yes - as a woman, I am familiar with the kind of group dynamic you speak of. My own theory is that the average LGBT woman is probably a little more to the left than your average LGBT man. Farther the left, more antisemitism and less willingness to examine it.

    [–]GingerGrindr(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That means a lot, honestly.

    [–]ElementarrrryPM_ME_SOURCES_ABOUT_WOMEN_IN_JUDAISM (Orthodox)[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Dear user who reported this with the following report reason:

    Transwomen perhaps, but lesbians are WAY more acceptable than homosexual men

    Perhaps you have confused the report button with the reply button.

    (please stop abusing the report button or we will have to report you to the site admins.)

    [–]goldiespapaLiberal 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Would never want to minimize your feelings of outrage over what the Chicago Dyke March organizers did, but I would say comments on the Internet are probably not worth getting upset over, no matter what they say. I personally treat every negative comment as if it were written by a troll. :)

    [–]amusethebouche[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I certainly don't feel minimized specifically by these few "nasty" mods - I think it's everything collectively over the last few years in person, by friends, in progressive places etc.

    [–]birdy1021 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm so sorry. I have recently lost friends to their definition of Zionism, which is killing babies and kids ?? When I tried to have an open and honest discussion, I got unfriended and blocked. So I kind of feel you. It's very scary to see us pushed out from groups who claim to be SO inclusive. Very scary times. So sorry that happened to you. Shame on them.

    [–]aelinhirilEgalitarian Conservadox 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm sorry this happened to you. I, too, find it frustrating that all causes must run together and that in the very space that is supposed to be "safe" for various marginalized groups we end up marginalizing others.

    [–]homageofreasonTraditional/Casual BT/Post-Denominational 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Safe spaces are dangerous because they inevitably lead to censorship.

    [–]nosnivelJewish comma very 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Wow. Another Dyke Kike here.

    Not happy about Chicago. Not happy about the anti-Semitism and false narratives of some of the self-proclaimed "progressive" left.

    [–]Tzipity 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There's dozens of us! I'm actually in the process of moving to Chicago late this summer so extra frustrated. Keep saying I'm going to hang a giant Jewish flag out my apartment window when I do. Ironically I've never owned a pride flag of any kind but I do have a big Israeli flag...

    I don't even get it. Like if I'm going to a Pride event I'm not going to debate or even think about politics. I figure there's a load of things the broader LGBT community probably has disagreements on and we sure aren't all one monolithic group but ugh. And while it's certainly way easier to be gay in Israel than the rest of the Middle East it's still not always easy to be gay and Jewish (especially for people from more religious families) and the LGBT community in Israel has had so many struggles and violence as well (the stabbing say Jerusalem pride, the shooting eight or so years ago of a LGBT youth group in TLV, they have never found the shooter either...). It irks me senseless when people try to reduce everything to black and white or privileged or not. It's so much more complex and obviously so is the whole Israeli- Palestinian issue. But what the hell is it even doing for the actual issues in the Palestinian Territories to ban some flipping flags in Chicago anyhow? So not a fan of people who claim to care about issues (regardless of what they are or whether I agree with them or not) who seem to do it all for show versus actually doing something to effect meaningful change.

    Anyway sorry to rant in a reply. But yay Jewish lesbians!

    [–]Schiffy94Hail Sithis 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    This stupid Dyke March story just keeps causing worse and worse shit.

    I'll say it again: this bullshit is not what the left stands for. The Democrats are supposed to be the party of acceptance, full stop. Fuck these fringe assholes.

    [–]Shalom_ManThe Senate 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    First off: I agree completely. It isn't inclusive or accepting to kick people out of any form of event based on their faith or cultural background.

    Second: Nice flair!

    [–]Schiffy94Hail Sithis 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Glory to the Dread Father, dear brother.

    [–]shwag945Atheist raised Conservative still strongly culturally Jewish. 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    You can't blame the Democrats for that march. Don't be absurd.

    [–]Schiffy94Hail Sithis 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I'm not. I'm blaming the fringe left that try to associate themselves with the Democratic party and twist the party's message.

    [–]shwag945Atheist raised Conservative still strongly culturally Jewish. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    They really don't twist the Party's message. They aren't large enough to do that. They have no real power in the leadership, any representation, nor even a large enough voter base. They are boogiemen with a very large microphone. As opposed to the very dangerous to democracy and clearly powerful not only in the Republican Party but also in the US Far Right.

    Seriously tell me what policies they are pushing? Are they holding the government hostage? Are there people in the tent pissing out or just a few people outside pissing in?

    [–]Schiffy94Hail Sithis 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    That's what I like about the Democratic party proper. They shun these clowns, while the Republicans embrace their fringe for free votes. That's how we got the Tea Party in the first place.

    But idiots like this are still loud enough to cause shit like this or the crap at Evergreen, and they just give the alt-right trolls more ammo. I'm thankful for the fact that they have no say in government, but I still wish they just didn't exist at all.

    [–]shwag945Atheist raised Conservative still strongly culturally Jewish. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It is an unfortunate by product of our freedom of speech but it is better than the alternative of not having freedom of speech.

    I am still hopeful that things can calm down and return to sanity in the next 10 years. The American far right tends to recede back into their caves after they explode into the spotlight every few decades. Hopefully the far lefts doesn't go full terrorism like they did in the first two decades of the 20th century and the 60's and 70's. We need a leftist movement and far left terror is never helpful.

    [–]Schiffy94Hail Sithis 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm not saying we should take away their freedom of speech. I want them to be shunned enough that they finally shut up and go away all on their own. Pipe dream, I know.

    [–]shwag945Atheist raised Conservative still strongly culturally Jewish. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Both of our dreams.

    [–]nosnivelJewish comma very -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    (May I blame Bernie? I like blaming Bernie for stuff.)

    [–]shwag945Atheist raised Conservative still strongly culturally Jewish. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Not sure if serious.

    [–]nosnivelJewish comma very 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Take a look at my post history. I do blame him for quite a bit, but here it was more tongue in cheek.

    [–]shwag945Atheist raised Conservative still strongly culturally Jewish. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    -_-

    [–]Shalom_ManThe Senate 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm so sorry, OP. This is truly awful. Hopefully the mods of that sub answer for this blatant discrimination, as well as the people responsible for what happened at that march.

    [–]Tzipity 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm not feeling well and I'm kind of exhausted by all of this lately but just want to say hello and that I feel with you and for you, as a fellow Jewish lesbian. You also might want to check out r/actuallesbians if you haven't seen it yet. I've never had any issues discussing being Jewish and gay there and have actually several times met fellow Jewish lesbians there.

    I'm equally frustrated about the crap going on in Israel right now so it's been a rough week to be Jewish overall, I think. It's easy for straight Jews to claim everyone should be orthodox or even that they should just make Aliyah if they care about the Israel stuff but reality is a lot more complex for so many of us (always planned to make Aliyah myself until I developed some very serious and rare health issues.). I'm all sorts of frustrated and heartbroken about stuff going on in the Jewish world and the LGBT world as well lately (to say nothing of being a Jewish disabled lesbian in an America run by Trump).

    So sending hugs and support your way and also just wanted to say hey. I'm always around Reddit if you ever want to talk or anything. I'm even more vocally Jewish/Israel and LGBT feminism stuff over on Twitter.

    [–]mollymollykelkelReform [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    We're actually having some issues right now with this topic due to some users making this an anti-trans thing (this is why we can't have nice things). I'm planning on organizing a thread for this topic specifically so we can have real time moderation/set some ground rules because it's clear a lot of people don't understand what Zionism is/are trying to use this situation for their own political gains.

    being a Jewish disabled lesbian in an America run by Trump

    I know this feel too well right now.

    [–]spinwheel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oy, so ironic, it hurts! Let's do what our ancestors have done for centuries to survive: laugh at it - and ourselves - together! Nothing will break the Jewish spirit. Not the co-opting of the LGBT cause by angry others. Not the vilification of Jews from within the very movements which they have fostered and enabled widespread social change for the benefit of all people.

    I have an idea. Let's do a little experiment. Let's invite a queer Jew and a queer Palestinian to each bring their SO home to mom and dad. How might that go down? :D

    [–]TheRetartedGoatilluminati Lizard Jew 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You have been enlightened on the "Progressive" left of America having an anti-semitism problem it seems like.

    /r/Judaism should stop pretending like either the Western Left or Right cares about Jews.

    [–]DoritosMtDew -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The leftist snake eats its own tail. Pottery!

    [–]No1Asked4MyOpinion -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Might've been a mixup between your username and someone else in the modqueue? I wouldn't rule out a mistake so quickly