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[–]GingerGrindr(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you fucking serious? I can't believe that's the reply they sent to you- that's awful!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's pissed though. Your post really hit the nail on the head about what I've been trying express recently. I try to stay out of a lot of these conversations because they tend to go nowhere good and because I feel bad for shitting on people in my political sphere but people need to be held accountable for their behavior, that includes people in the left. I think this is even more important to talk about right now since these people seem to be getting bolder and more outspoken. I think it's insane that some leftists are calling politicians Nazi's while simultaneously making antisemitic remarks. I think it's insane that leftists are claiming intersectionality and equality while simultaneously excluding Jews. I used to see a lot of borderline antisemitic stuff but now I'm seeing outright, bold antisemitism. I feel like I'm just going on another rant right now instead of actually presenting my case.

[–]amusethebouche[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, I am with you Ginger. It's nice to know I am not alone. Sometimes I feel truly isolated.

[–]Louis_FarizeeQuit Labeling Me 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this really the end of the line for Jewish equality? Do people really think we are undeserving of even the slightest bit of human respect and empathy?

Sadly, yes.

[–]tayaravaknin [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Let's see if a /r/lgbt mod wants to answer for this:

/u/flashstorm
/u/Fifteen_inches
/u/koronicus

Picked 3 active ones I saw. Let's see if they have something to say, since they muted a user's modmail without explanation and banned them.

[–]Fifteen_inches [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Please direct this to /r/LGBTOpenModmail/

we have it listed on the sidebar for a reason

[–]amusethebouche[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Your space is no longer safe for me. Why should I trust you to respect me there any better?

[–]vic1000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We're all ears. I'm sure you have excellent reasons for this decision that you can express publicly rather than privately.

Considering that pioneers from the post-Stonewall movement to Harvey Milk to Barney Frank have come from the Jewish community, deliberate exclusion of a closely-aligned minority must have been determined on a rigorous basis both by the parade and by you.

[–]tayaravaknin [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Sounds like a great way for that mod to ban others who post there too.

[–]flashstorm [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You complain about OP not being able to participate in space we oversee, then complain when we invite the OP to participate in space we oversee.

We are not going to respond here.

[–]tayaravaknin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, I complain about OP not being able to participate in space you oversee, and wonder why you want OP to go into another space you oversee as if that'll make any difference. If you're not going to respond in neutral ground in an area you don't control, where you can't ban and mute someone without warning or reason given, then that's even more suspicious.

Your co-mod claimed (and then deleted) that it was to keep you accountable and open.

But how can someone be accountable if they ban people from modmail without a word, permaban them, and are the same people who run that second sub...? I'm sorry, I honestly don't understand how that works. What stops someone from just banning you there and deleting your comment, and muting you from modmail? It's the same mods.

[–]TheRetartedGoatilluminati Lizard Jew [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, it just seems like you are pandering to an extremist group of degenerate assholes who have no respect for Jews because it fits some sort of narrative.

Don't delete post regarding concerns in the LGBTQ community, and then people here might have some degree of respect for you.

[–]WannabeAviatorJew-ish [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

More banhappy anti semitism , what a shock.

[–]YoniBenAviHumanist/Reform [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You should be able to express your totally not antisemitic reason for banning her here.

[–]DonQuixoteReferenceInching Towards Orthodoxy 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you feel like it, pm me the name of that mod. I know those people and can have some words with them.

[–]amusethebouche[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was an off post mod message, there doesn't say a name, just [M]. Just cruel and indifferent behavior for no reason.

[–]gdhhornAfro-Sephardic 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is this really the end of the line for Jewish equality? Do people really think we are undeserving of even the slightest bit of human respect and empathy?

The LGBTQ community has a serious problem with bugotry that it refuses to face.

[–]goldiespapaLiberal 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can tell you that a segment of it (the much smaller, angrier, activist segment) has been coopted and brainwashed by Palestinian activists. They truly honestly believe that "anti-Zionism" means "anti-Islamophobia" and "anti-colonialism," and, unfortunately, they are in no mood to be corrected, especially if you're white and male.

[–]LstEch0That Lady in Shul 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

R/LGBT is horrible. I'm a trans woman and I avoid it. The mods are insane there

[–]amusethebouche[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The trans community needs to be supported the most, in my opinion- I am sorry you have found yourself unwelcome in a community that prides itself on being morally upstanding. If you ever need an open ear, I am truly here whenever.

[–]squibblededoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No shit. I was banned for saying that I would let a friend know if I knew a person he was going on a date with was HIV+

[–]Schiffy94Hail Sithis 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (9子コメント)

This stupid Dyke March story just keeps causing worse and worse shit.

I'll say it again: this bullshit is not what the left stands for. The Democrats are supposed to be the party of acceptance, full stop. Fuck these fringe assholes.

[–]shwag945Atheist raised Conservative still strongly culturally Jewish. [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

You can't blame the Democrats for that march. Don't be absurd.

[–]Schiffy94Hail Sithis [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'm not. I'm blaming the fringe left that try to associate themselves with the Democratic party and twist the party's message.

[–]shwag945Atheist raised Conservative still strongly culturally Jewish. [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

They really don't twist the Party's message. They aren't large enough to do that. They have no real power in the leadership, any representation, nor even a large enough voter base. They are boogiemen with a very large microphone. As opposed to the very dangerous to democracy and clearly powerful not only in the Republican Party but also in the US Far Right.

Seriously tell me what policies they are pushing? Are they holding the government hostage? Are there people in the tent pissing out or just a few people outside pissing in?

[–]Schiffy94Hail Sithis [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That's what I like about the Democratic party proper. They shun these clowns, while the Republicans embrace their fringe for free votes. That's how we got the Tea Party in the first place.

But idiots like this are still loud enough to cause shit like this or the crap at Evergreen, and they just give the alt-right trolls more ammo. I'm thankful for the fact that they have no say in government, but I still wish they just didn't exist at all.

[–]shwag945Atheist raised Conservative still strongly culturally Jewish. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It is an unfortunate by product of our freedom of speech but it is better than the alternative of not having freedom of speech.

I am still hopeful that things can calm down and return to sanity in the next 10 years. The American far right tends to recede back into their caves after they explode into the spotlight every few decades. Hopefully the far lefts doesn't go full terrorism like they did in the first two decades of the 20th century and the 60's and 70's. We need a leftist movement and far left terror is never helpful.

[–]nosnivelJewish comma very [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

(May I blame Bernie? I like blaming Bernie for stuff.)

[–]shwag945Atheist raised Conservative still strongly culturally Jewish. [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Not sure if serious.

[–]nosnivelJewish comma very [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Take a look at my post history. I do blame him for quite a bit, but here it was more tongue in cheek.

[–]shwag945Atheist raised Conservative still strongly culturally Jewish. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

-_-

[–]asdfjlk556 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

My alt account was banned from /r/actuallesbians for the same thing. I didn't even post a textpost, I was commenting on someone else's post. I looked back at the thread recently and it's a graveyard -- every single one of the commenters who identified themselves as Jewish were deleted and banned from the sub. When I asked why I was banned, I was muted from messaging the mods.

Meanwhile, they left up comments from a woman who was literally saying the Holocaust wasn't a big deal, until I reported her.

This is disgusting.

[–]cjskittles 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whoever that mod is is a coward for banning you without any reason and not giving their name.

[–]iknowyouright 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I too have received vitriol (off reddit) for denouncing the antisemitic actions of Chicago Dyke March.

The far left portion of the LGBTQ community thankfully does not represent the majority of the community. I hope you find more support in the future from people who aren't anti-semites.

[–]yashumiyu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's true. This didn't happen in the main Pride event, it happened in an the alternative march, the kind that bans U.S. flags and is basically a collection of misc tumblr buzzwords. It's important to make the distinction because the far left has ALWAYS been a cesspool of antisemitism. Always. The mod's reaction was utterly bizarre so I'm going to guess they're a far leftist as well.

[–]yashumiyu [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'm an Israeli Jew who has been following stories like this pretty closely and I feel so bad for hard left leaning diaspora Jews, truly. Women LGBT in particular are hit hard, I'm not really sure why but that's what I observed. Spaces that used to be accepting and nurturing have suddenly become vicious and hostile. I see the hurt and confusion all the time and I wish I could do something to help, my only advice is to find other Queer Jews who feel the same way because let me tell you, they're out there in droves. I know because I see them all the time.

[–]yohakoha [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Women LGBT in particular are hit hard, I'm not really sure why but that's what I observed.

Definitely, I've observed it too. Male-dominated LGBT spaces sometimes have bruising arguments about Israel, Palestine, and Zionism, but they don't have the kind of ironfisted thought policing that seems to happen in female-dominated spaces, at least as far as I can tell from reading the Facebook page for this dyke march and lurking a bit in lesbian subreddits.

[–]yashumiyu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's embarrassing to admit but yes - as a woman, I am familiar with the kind of group dynamic you speak of. My own theory is that the average LGBT woman is probably a little more to the left than your average LGBT man. Farther the left, more antisemitism and less willingness to examine it.

[–]GingerGrindr(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That means a lot, honestly.

[–]ninjaofpatienceJew-ish [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

/r/lgbt has been toxic and hateful for years, /r/ainbow is much better community.

[–]amusethebouche[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I am going to check that out right now! Maybe try re-posting my text. Thank you, darling!

[–]goldiespapaLiberal 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Would never want to minimize your feelings of outrage over what the Chicago Dyke March organizers did, but I would say comments on the Internet are probably not worth getting upset over, no matter what they say. I personally treat every negative comment as if it were written by a troll. :)

[–]amusethebouche[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I certainly don't feel minimized specifically by these few "nasty" mods - I think it's everything collectively over the last few years in person, by friends, in progressive places etc.

[–]aelinhirilEgalitarian Conservadox [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm sorry this happened to you. I, too, find it frustrating that all causes must run together and that in the very space that is supposed to be "safe" for various marginalized groups we end up marginalizing others.

[–]homageofreasonTraditional/Casual BT/Post-Denominational [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Safe spaces are dangerous because they inevitably lead to censorship.

[–]StrangerSkies [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As a Jewish queer woman as well, I've always sadly accepted that the two communities don't mix. I've never felt like I could exist in one place in one world, but always as either queer or as Jewish, and that's always come from both sides of the fence.

[–]birdy1021 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm so sorry. I have recently lost friends to their definition of Zionism, which is killing babies and kids ?? When I tried to have an open and honest discussion, I got unfriended and blocked. So I kind of feel you. It's very scary to see us pushed out from groups who claim to be SO inclusive. Very scary times. So sorry that happened to you. Shame on them.

[–]TheRetartedGoatilluminati Lizard Jew [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You have been enlightened on the "Progressive" left of America having an anti-semitism problem it seems like.

/r/Judaism should stop pretending like either the Western Left or Right cares about Jews.

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