"Rituals of womanhood"

by **tiffany_elizabeth** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:04 am

Everyone says I'm crazy, but I've been hearing that since I was 5 so it doesn't mean anything to me. That little joke out of the way, I've always felt deprived because I don't menstruate. My "adopted" niece said she'd love to trade bodies with me because of that and I've even heard some say that it was a perk of not being a natal woman. Yet I don't see it that way. To me it's yet another thing to remind me of my Y chromosome.

When my ex-girlfriend started her period one weekend she was staying with me I took the opportunity to gather some information. I asked her if it was just the occasional long lasting cramp sort of like a leg cramp or if it pulsated. She squeezed my hand each time her uterus contracted to show me the pattern.

Using that knowledge, along with the fact that my nerves (this could be normal, but I don't know) are wired in such a way that if I get hit in the groin I don't feel it there but it hits my abdominal region, I made a battery operated device to simulate period cramps. It squeezed hard enough to give me the sensation but not hard enough to cause injury. So every month I'd have a period, the device only coming off when I showered (though I thought about trying to make it waterproof to avoid that) or had to change the batteries. I even changed my pads, though to avoid detection I had to use the thin ones designed for vaginal secretions and not the ones made for periods.

Lately I've been using tampons (I know there are risks associated with such a use, but I'm a pack a day smoker who plans on eventually starting HRT, which has been linked to an increased risk for strokes so tampon use isn't even the biggest risk I take or plan on taking) but after talking to my "adopted" niece I found out that not all women even have cramps, and it's not so much uncomfortable as it is inconvenient because those days revolve around being able to change your pads/tampons. She said she wouldn't even know she was on her period if not for the menstrual fluid. I know women don't get to choose whether or not they'll be that lucky, but I don't want to risk sterility if other factors haven't made me so already. I haven't used the device in two months. In fact, I've dismantled it and re-purposed the parts.

So I still have periods and while I have some leeway in the fact that I don't have to worry about toxic shock syndrome (which is caused by stagnant blood, not the tampon itself) or odor from stagnant blood on a pad I've been wearing too long, I try to change everything as often as recommended (which according to the instructions that came with the tampons is every 4 hours, though they can be worn up to 8 in bed). They're even synched up with my niece. She told me what day she usually starts, what day she starts wearing pads in case it catches her off guard, and if she starts early she'll text me. If it doesn't start on the day it normally does she'll text me and then text again when it does start, and she'll text me the day it ends.

And yes, it is inconvenient. If I'm somewhere in "boy mode" during one of my "periods" I'm sure whoever empties the restroom trash is baffled if they happen to notice a tampon applicator in the men's room trash can. At my parents' house I have to be extremely discreet about it, finding excuses to go out to my truck to get a fresh tampon and dispose of the evidence.

But it makes me feel normal. Sure it's an added expense and a terrible inconvenience (and, as evidenced by the fact that my ex sounded like she was in labor, agony for at least some women), one that most genetic women would be envious not to have, but when you always feel left out, not only on the womanly things but everything, you tend to want the bad along with the good. The kids leave you out of kickball, so you get a game going with your significant others' nieces, nephews, and neighbor's kids. Your parents say you can't have a bra so your first one is a triumph. You learn in 6th grade sex-ed that women have periods starting at puberty and when you don't get yours you feel cheated.

Am I the only one who feels compelled to at least try to experience the bad/irritating/annoying aspects along with everything else? I know a lot of women get into the makeup, clothing, and jewelry but are there any others who willingly have "periods" (or as close to them as they can) and yearn to experience pregnancy, up to and including labor and delivery?

by **Andina** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:21 am

Oh no, don't miss that stuff. Quite content to take the easy road.

by **corvus.corax** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:23 am

What exactly do you mean by "using tampons"?

You're not one of those lunatics who thinks that shoving a tampon up your ass has fuck-all to do with "being a woman" are you?

by **BecomingSusan** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:33 am

I don't. I thought about it a little when I started transition, but quickly decided that it just wasn't very important to me. Besides, at my age, I likely would be in menopause, anyway. I do have a pad in my purse that's left over from my SRS to give to someone, should they ask for one. I wear panty liners almost all the time, though. I've lived around women all my life, so I have a pretty good idea of what it's like. I've also vicariously experienced three pregnancies and cared for the children from birth to adulthood, so I also know what that's like. At this point in my transition, though, periods are simply not something I give any thought to at all.

by **BecomingSusan** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:35 am

corvus.corax wrote:What exactly do you mean by "using tampons"?

I'm wondering about that, too.

by **Dorothy Stepford** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:41 am

I mean, yeah, I could have probably produced some lovely offspring, but it wasn't meant to be, never will be, and I'm pretty much over it most of the time.

Failing that, hell no. I see no reason to pretend.

by **Madison_Dawn** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:18 am

dumbfounded ... OK as your does she want electrolysis. possible needle injections monthly therapists visits there is bad on both sides. yeah would I like to menstruate yes because I'd like to be a mom but wont happen I accepted that moved on . waste of money the period products van buy makeup clothes hormones etc.

by **starlitjessi** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:21 pm

I also forward the motion to know how you're using tampons. Unless you've had SRS already, please don't tell me they're going in behind.

Whatever the case, I actually share some of the sentiments you feel. One of my coworkers approached me one day, saying that I should be glad I don't cramp up and have that monthly visit. I actually informed her that I would love to have it, because it would mean that I was a natural woman. The fact that I don't have it causes me quite a bit of grief.

I had a friend tell me I was lucky to not have a period screw me out of getting laid. I told her that I felt she was lucky that she had a period to screw her out of getting laid.

As for making something to simulate a period, I'm partially scared for you that it isn't safe and that you're going to cause damage to yourself even if it is on a very low setting. As much as I would love deep down in my heart to experience everything involving being a woman, including the menstrual cycle, and as much as I can relate to what you're feeling... I'm not sure what you're doing is good for your body.

EDIT: I must have missed where you dismantled the device. Probably a smart idea. Just know that if you're putting tampons in your bum, that there's nothing female about that.

by **corvus.corax** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:30 pm

From the description of the "period"-induction apparatus, I can't shake the image of a 9 volt battery and alligator clips on a taint.

by **Microodyke** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:31 pm

Toxic shock syndrome is NOT caused by 'stagnant' blood (whatever the hell that is!) it is caused by bacteria. And if you are anally inserting tampons, leaving them in place and then removing them dry, you are greatly increasing your risk of developing a systemic bloodstream infection. It boggles my mind the degree of make believe you employ to convince yourself that you are actually a cis woman. I cannot wait to hear of how you manage to get someone to insert a cantelope just so you have the 'thrill' of pushing it out your ass.

by **Miki** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:45 pm

I think, for some, there is a clear distinction between "mimicking" and "being." I don't lament that I cannot have children, I have a beautiful daughter, I lament that I cannot give birth myself. This is true for quit a few cis women as well.

I dunno, this sense of urgency to try to duplicate "all things female" as closely as possible has always struck me as odd. With so much variety, so many cultural and behavioral ranges, so many celebrated differences between woman, it always feels like the "all things" wind up being the most cliched things possible by default.

I'm a woman. I won't have cramps from a menstrual cycle. That makes me no more than or no less than and certainly doesn't drive me to mimic things that are biological impossibilities. I don't feel transition is a competition, with the constant burden of unrealistic comparison to cis women used to determine my success or failure.

That way, to madness leads. No good can come of it, in my opinion.

-m

by **AlisonRain2** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:47 pm

since they can pretty much eliminate menstruation at will through the better living that is SCIENCE!!!,
it pushes back one more of the coveted provinces of womanhood by which people judge us as real or false. it's not a thing to emulate, you're not missing anything, sez my gal pals.
unless i wanted a child, which i don't at this period (ha!) of my life, in which case i'd deal with it for as long as it took to create the conditions for conception, then i'd be done with it.
i'm happy that things only go INTO my vag, not OUT from them.
and i'm happy having one set of underwear, not two.
and i'm happy about this chocolate pudding cup i'm eating, but that has nothing to do with the previous two points,
i'm just enjoying myself. yum.

by **tiffany_elizabeth** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:49 pm

corvus.corax wrote:What exactly do you mean by "using tampons"?

You're not one of those lunatics who thinks that shoving a tampon up your ass has fuck-all to do with "being a woman" are you?

Trust me, I would have stuck to pads (which I was already using for utility purposes, as my libido is extremely random and if something "sparks my interest" without one things can get messy) but an embarrassing situation led to the use of tampons. A fissure started causing my panties/underwear to end up covered in blood. My doctor recommended cotton balls to keep... let's just say debris away from it while it healed along with stool softeners.

I decided to go with tampons instead because they're more absorbent. I wasn't even looking forward to using cotton balls because I thought they might hurt, but surprisingly I liked it. And it's not about the product itself. It's about experiencing every aspect I can. I don't have the right parts, but going through the movements gives me some semblance of normalcy.

by **tiffany_elizabeth** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:09 pm

corvus.corax wrote:From the description of the "period"-induction apparatus, I can't shake the image of a 9 volt battery and alligator clips on a taint.

No clips. It was just a band that wrapped around. It would squeeze and release. Ran on a single AAA battery. After talking to my niece, though, and realizing that enough pressure to register pain may cause problems, I dismantled it and the motor became part of an ill-fated attempt at a remote control lawn mower (no, not that lazy, plus I already have a riding mower. I just wanted to see if I could convert a push mower to RC).

by **corvus.corax** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:11 pm

tiffany_elizabeth wrote: It's about experiencing every aspect I can.

There is no aspect of 'womanhood' which this practice permits you to experience. None. This is not a thing that women do. This is a thing that only really fucked-up trannies do.

by **tiffany_elizabeth** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:27 pm

corvus.corax wrote:
tiffany_elizabeth wrote: It's about experiencing every aspect I can.

There is no aspect of 'womanhood' which this practice permits you to experience. None. This is not a thing that women do. This is a thing that only really fucked-up trannies do.

I've been "fucked up" since before I even knew TS/TGs existed. I've been hearing it since I was 10. You're not telling me anything new.

I've been trying to explain it and you're obviously not understanding what I get from it, but why rant at me? I'm sure you do things I'd find objectionable but whatever you do doesn't effect me and my tampon use doesn't effect you.

by **corvus.corax** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:31 pm

tiffany_elizabeth wrote:I've been "fucked up" since before I even knew TS/TGs existed. I've been hearing it since I was 10. You're not telling me anything new.

I've been trying to explain it and you're obviously not understanding what I get from it, but why rant at me? I'm sure you do things I'd find objectionable but whatever you do doesn't effect me and my tampon use doesn't effect you.

I don't care if you're psycho. I do object to your lying to yourself about it (and us, since it's expressed in your posts). This has nothing to do with being anything like a woman. Period.

by **tiffany_elizabeth** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:43 pm

corvus.corax wrote:
tiffany_elizabeth wrote:I've been "fucked up" since before I even knew TS/TGs existed. I've been hearing it since I was 10. You're not telling me anything new.

I've been trying to explain it and you're obviously not understanding what I get from it, but why rant at me? I'm sure you do things I'd find objectionable but whatever you do doesn't effect me and my tampon use doesn't effect you.

I don't care if you're psycho. I do object to your lying to yourself about it (and us, since it's expressed in your posts). This has nothing to do with being anything like a woman. Period.

As the accuser the burden of proof lies on you, so prove it's a lie. You're dealing with the subjective, namely motive and experience. Without knowing my mind, which would require either being me or being omniscient, you have no idea what my motive is or what I get from the experience.

I suspect what this boils down to is that you can't fathom anyone doing this for reasons other than of an erotic nature. Therefore, you're inclined to believe that anyone who expresses a different motive and experience has to be lying or delusional. That's your call to make, but don't make an objective accusation based on subjective experiences.

by **corvus.corax** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:58 pm

tiffany_elizabeth wrote:I suspect what this boils down to is that you can't fathom anyone doing this for reasons other than of an erotic nature. Therefore, you're inclined to believe that anyone who expresses a different motive and experience has to be lying or delusional. That's your call to make, but don't make an objective accusation based on subjective experiences.

Incorrect. I infer no erotic content. I take you at your word that you want to pretend that it represents a "ritual of womanhood." But it's no such thing, and you know it, and that you persist in the activity with that pretense intact is the lie.

by **Miki** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:22 pm

corvus.corax wrote:.... I take you at your word that you want to pretend that it represents a "ritual of womanhood." But it's no such thing, and you know it, and that you persist in the activity with that pretense intact is the lie.

This.

The semantic game is boring.

You are simulating/pretending to experience something your biology cannot physically accommodate. That is not subjective at all. You cannot have a period.

What is subjective is your cause and intent, and honestly, I could give a shit about those things. If that is your gig, do you.

I would prefer, however, that you not label it some "ritual of womanhood" on a transgender support site in an attempt to confer some standardization or normalcy around it, then argue vehemently and with righteous indignation when anyone dares to point out, "You're sticking shit up your ass, not having a period."

Just my opinion, however, and I'm well aware that my preferences aren't something you have to pay any attention to at all.

-m

by **Sadie** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:20 am

by **Hari** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:47 am

It sounds painful and dangerous, I'd quit it if I were you.

Can I also say, remember the trans men and 3rd genders here. Menstruation does not make one a 'woman', necessarily. And for many women being menstrual does not equal fertile, necessarily. Some of the biologically determinist bullshit being spouted here, is upsetting and potentially triggering so if that's you, STFU please.

by **zoetrope** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:57 pm

Guys, the OP is ~such~ a,

Do Not Feed.

by **Dorothy Stepford** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:24 pm

Burn it and harvest it's fat for poison!

by **AlisonRain2** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:44 pm

and don't forget to fill out your Troll Disposition Form.

-loved that movie

by **Vklortho** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:04 pm

No! This thread must live and prosper! I normally have to pay for this kind of entertainment.

by **tiffany_elizabeth** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:06 pm

zoetrope wrote:Guys, the OP is ~such~ a,

Do Not Feed.

And so we've come full circle. Someone says something you don't like so they must be a troll. The whole world is a beautiful utopia where everyone falls in line and those who seem not to are just pretending they believe something different just to get a reaction.

You've uncovered the secret. Those pro-life protesters actually support abortion. They just protest it for the laughs. Every single living individual believes in evolution. The ones who believe that life was created as-is or don't go any further than micro evolution (belief that life was created similar to what we have today but underwent changes) just claim to in order to rile up everyone else.

Seriously, if you don't like what I say just move on, but to claim to "know" that I posted this just to piss people off is rather arrogant. It assumes a full knowledge of motive, which requires a full knowledge of the poster, which no one here has.

by **corvus.corax** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:15 pm

tiffany_elizabeth wrote: Those pro-life protesters actually support abortion.

Actually, many do when it comes to their own families and the "more legitimate" choices their own fine women are forced to make. Not like those lazy sluts who all get abortions as a form of easy birth control, noooo.

by **Nabela** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:30 pm

Dorothy Stepford wrote:Burn it and harvest it's fat for poison!

I don't have any torches...

*Looks around*

Did anyone happen to take up the mage stone?

by **FFChristie** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:11 pm

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by **tiffany_elizabeth** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:02 pm

corvus.corax wrote:
tiffany_elizabeth wrote: Those pro-life protesters actually support abortion.

Actually, many do when it comes to their own families and the "more legitimate" choices their own fine women are forced to make. Not like those lazy sluts who all get abortions as a form of easy birth control, noooo.

"Many" might be a bit of an overstatement. I've never been to a protest, believing them to be nothing more than public temper tantrums (regardless of cause, not just in the abortion debate), but I'm pretty active in the pro-life movement and I'm actually one of the more liberal ones because I don't consider the termination of an ectopic pregnancy to be abortion. Now obviously no one opposes it as it's guaranteed death for mother and child if she tries to carry it to term, but they still consider it abortion and play me up as a traitor because I don't.

Now in several cases the people I associate with say what they wouldn't and wouldn't do but they're untested. However, many actually do practice what they preach. My goddaughter is the product of rape. Her father, not the guy who impregnated her mother (who is currently in prison and on the sex offender registry) but the man who helps her mother raise her, treats her as his own flesh and blood and she has never harbored any resentment toward her.

When it was discovered that one of my friend's sons would be born with Down's Syndrome her doctor told her that she would be irresponsible to carry the pregnancy to term. Her reply was "do you believe that the man who played Corky on Life Goes On should be euthenized because of his condition?" I've had friends die in childbirth because they couldn't handle the alternative of having an abortion. Pro-choicers view them as idiots. We view them mothers who made the ultimate sacrifice for their children. I've had friends (and my own mother) who were told they should abort because pregnancy would kill them. Some of them survived, some of them were actually clinically dead and resuscitated, some of them were referenced earlier.

You find hypocrites and backsliders in every group. No matter which group you're talking about they tend to be the minority.

by **Nabela** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:35 pm

FFChristie wrote:NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDS!!! 8*)

'Ware Christie for I shall download the DLC of true divinity and unleash the Dawnguard upon thee! :mrgreen:

by **corvus.corax** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:45 pm

tiffany_elizabeth wrote:I've had friends die in childbirth because they couldn't handle the alternative of having an abortion. Pro-choicers view them as idiots. We view them mothers who made the ultimate sacrifice for their children.

Given that they're dead, I'm less concerned at this point about whatever choices they made than about the sick, misogynistic environment they must have lived in that would make suicide seem a 'rational' choice. Martyrs are fools. Those that applaud them and push them to it are diseased ghouls.

tiffany_elizabeth wrote:You find hypocrites ... in every group.

Indeed. One even finds demented trannies who seek to restrict the reproductive and sovereign bodily rights of natal women.

by **tiffany_elizabeth** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:55 pm

corvus.corax wrote:Indeed. One even finds demented trannies who seek to restrict the reproductive and sovereign bodily rights of natal women.

Yup. In this conversation alone you find a demented tranny who "seeks to restrict the reproductive..." and a bitter tranny who seeks to maintain the legality of infanticide. Our mere participation in this conversation proves one of my points.

By the way, calling me "demented" isn't the insult you think it is. I'm in the early stages of dementia, and given that it's often linked to disease and injury (in my case early and unavoidable injuries), things beyond a person's control, your "insult" basically amounts to you calling out an amputee in an argument for only having one leg, and it's just as rational as assuming that their missing leg is the reason they oppose your rather disgusting views.

by **tsukikomori** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:35 pm

tiffany_elizabeth wrote:Yup. In this conversation alone you find a demented tranny who "seeks to restrict the reproductive..." and a bitter tranny who seeks to maintain the legality of infanticide. Our mere participation in this conversation proves one of my points.

i don't care who you are, restricting reproductive rights for cafab people is sick and wrong. i won't speak as to c.c's comment, since it was kinda ableist and probably deserved a callout, but if you think you (and the weight of a deeply misogynistic, cissexist institution) have the right to make a choice for other women, then your comment about hypocrisy holds true. you'd think to be consistent you'd be willing to let other people make decisions about your body, like your "rituals of womanhood".

sorry, not sorry.

by **tiffany_elizabeth** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:47 am

tsukikomori wrote:
tiffany_elizabeth wrote:Yup. In this conversation alone you find a demented tranny who "seeks to restrict the reproductive..." and a bitter tranny who seeks to maintain the legality of infanticide. Our mere participation in this conversation proves one of my points.

i don't care who you are, restricting reproductive rights for cafab people is sick and wrong. i won't speak as to c.c's comment, since it was kinda ableist and probably deserved a callout, but if you think you (and the weight of a deeply misogynistic, cissexist institution) have the right to make a choice for other women, then your comment about hypocrisy holds true. you'd think to be consistent you'd be willing to let other people make decisions about your body, like your "rituals of womanhood".

sorry, not sorry.

There is no "restriction" going on. We do not physically bar women from going into a planned parenthood clinic. We do not disable the AMA licensed hit men or wall off their offices. We tell women about the alternatives but from there on free will takes over. The women we talk to who go through with it anyway wouldn't be convinced if their own child, in utero, started shouting that they wanted to live. The ones we talk to who reconsider it had doubts about going through with it in the first place. However, we do not kidnap the women and hold them hostage until they deliver.

People make decisions about other people's bodies all the time. Theoretically we have full autonomy over our bodies, but in practice they're heavily regulated. I have full control over what I do with my hand, yet if I were to walk down a New York sidewalk punching street lamps, even though my hardest punches wouldn't so much as dent them, I would likely catch the attention of the police.

In the state park I can use my legs to walk anywhere the terrain will allow. However, once you're on a trail you will get in trouble if you leave it. I have full control over my bowels, yet if I exercise autonomy to leave the trail and defecate behind a tree, even if it's in an area no one else goes to and therefore won't be exposed to the sight, smell, or bacteria present, that's a fine and possibly jail time.

The parts we can and can't expose are also regulated. They're our bodies but you have to leave the house wearing at least pants and in some areas, regardless of gender, shirts. It's my body so if I desire to go outside and mow the lawn naked as a jaybird, on property I own where in theory I should be able to do anything I please as long as it's legal (and if nudity on your own property were illegal you could get arrested just for showering), I can get the police called on me or a passing officer can pull into my driveway. Years ago it would have been a warning or a fine. These days it gets you a spot on the sex offender registry.

If I decide to use the lake to shut down the mitochondria in the cells that are part of my body the police will pull me off the bridge if they get to me in time and it will be mandatory 72 hour observation. At the beach if I just go down and someone notices and pulls me out if I let on that it was intentional again the police can be called.

If you get plastered and crash into a tree on the way home from the bar, even if you were the only one injured, you're off to jail. That means authorities can even regulate the location of your body.

We already have loads of regulations on our body that simply don't exist in nature and few people, if any think anything of it. Yet the "right" to kill a child in utero is something to be defended vehemently and anyone who opposes it is a "tyrant" or "demented" or your subjected to insults that might possibly hurt if they were coming from people one would actually care about.

"Don't you dare smoke or drink during pregnancy. It could hurt the baby. Of course, if you don't want it feel free to subject it to chemical burns, being ripped apart a live, and tossed in a bin with medical waste." The pro-choice movement at its finest.

by **Dorothy Stepford** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:55 am

What is this thread even about anymore?!

Can we go back to talking about putting things up butts?

by **tiffany_elizabeth** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:03 am

Dorothy Stepford wrote:What is this thread even about anymore?!

Can we go back to talking about putting things up butts?

Well, I was the one who started this thread so I should be able to allow it to meander. I started this as something of a survey (which, from the replies (other than a few such as Andina's, Becoming Susan's, your first reply, and Miki's) , seems to have been lost).

I didn't intend for it to become a debate but the choleric humours are flowing, somehow it got off on a topic I'm passionate about (I know how it got there, but I honestly didn't expect a passing reference to cause it to branch off), and it's a good way to let off steam. After I get a couple of hours of sleep I probably won't even remember this thread.

by **tiffany_elizabeth** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:13 am

Microodyke wrote:Toxic shock syndrome is NOT caused by 'stagnant' blood (whatever the hell that is!) it is caused by bacteria.

I missed this earlier.

The bacteria that causes TSS comes from the blood. My second girlfriend had it years before we met and she has never used a tampon a day in her life. There was no opening in her hymen. In fact, she didn't even realize she had gotten her period until she was 14 because of it. She just thought it was more of the stomach cramps that had plagued her since she was 5. With no opening in the hymen there was no way for the blood to escape. Eventually the stagnant blood built up in her vaginal canal and led to a nearly fatal case of TSS. It was when she was in the hospital for that that the doctors found the problem and perforated her hymen.

While it is possible for any product to become contaminated, the bacteria is rarely in the tampon itself. If it were then natal women who use a tampon at all, even if they change them more frequently than recommended, would be at just as great a risk as women who leave the same one in for days at a time. The reason for the recommended time limit isn't the tampon itself. It's from the blood absorbed by the tampon.

by **PentacleGoddess** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:57 am

I do believe that's the first time I've seen abortion rights compared to shitting behind a tree. Well, good thing you guys are there to further stress out and frighten often already thoroughly stressed out and frightened women; the experience that is an abortion just wouldn't be complete without a bunch of self-righteous jackasses getting their backs up over a zygote.

by **PentacleGoddess** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:05 am

I might add that I hold people with your particular level of lunacy on this issue directly responsible for all the Scott Roeders and Shelley Shannons floating around out there still.

by **Microodyke** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:23 am

I am in complete agreement with the troll comment and have no desire to argue with a fool. The tampon butt plugs obviously work because TE is certainly full of shit! TE, you want a ritual of womanhood? Then get out there and live your life as a woman and stop hiding behind all your excuses about things like losing your safe places to play dress up. Natal women don't get a choice, we have to face the world as it is, including putting up with bat-shit crazy trannies who maintain for themselves the right to do with their reproductive organs a they chose while denying that right to cis women.

And you are quite incorrect about TSS.

by **corvus.corax** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:30 am

Only a dishonest asshole would seek to scramble for some pittance of moral high ground by wheedling about the colloquial use of 'demented' and actual dementia.

Of course , the same kind of asshole would also make false equivalences between all sorts of ridiculous things, as well as try to pretend that they do not participate in oppression just because they don't bodily kidnap anyone.

No misogynist freak who confuses the 'experience of womanhood' with shoving tampons up their ass and jolting their nads to simulate a period has any place telling natal women what they do with their bodies, or even to dare to infer their motives.

by **nexyjo** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:59 am

tiffany_elizabeth wrote:Everyone says I'm crazy...

going forward, when people accuse me of being crazy, i will refer to this thread as evidence that i am not.

by **tiffany_elizabeth** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:14 am

corvus.corax wrote:No misogynist freak...

I am not a misogynist. I am a misanthropist. There is a world of difference. A misogynist is someone who hates women. My contempt for people has nothing to do with gender, race, or creed.

If you're going to try to diagnose someone you know far too little about to accurately diagnose at least shoot for the right diagnosis.

by **corvus.corax** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:23 am

tiffany_elizabeth wrote:I am not a misogynist. I am a misanthropist.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Your bizarre, cartoonish fantasy of women and utter disregard for their reality and bodies is misogyny.

One might question why an avowed misanthropist gives a shit about who has an abortion or why. Please don't tell us it has anything to do with "protecting the innocent."

Addendum: do your fellow crusaders know what a monster they have in their midst, or do they really believe they're all doing "the lord's work" or some such shit?

by **corvus.corax** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:32 am

Holy crap, I just realized that I'm actually carrying on an argument with a psychopath.

Gods, the 'net is a weird place.

Surface! Surface! Abandon thread!

by **tiffany_elizabeth** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:12 am

corvus.corax wrote:One might question why an avowed misanthropist gives a shit about who has an abortion or why. Please don't tell us it has anything to do with "protecting the innocent."

You're assuming that everything in this post is serious. To be honest I don't take you seriously enough to put much effort into my replies to you. You completely discard civility when dealing with me, thinking that personal insults such as "asshole," "misogynist," and whatever else you come up with will somehow get your point across. They don't. They just make you look like a caricature.

You probably sit behind that screen thinking "I'll say that her associates have a monster in their midst. That should put her in her place." Really you just come off as an irritated monkey flinging feces.

Frankly you're not worth the effort of a serious reply.

by **Dorothy Stepford** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:11 am

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.

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by **Nabela** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:35 pm

tiffany_elizabeth wrote:
Dorothy Stepford wrote:What is this thread even about anymore?!

Can we go back to talking about putting things up butts?

Well, I was the one who started this thread so I should be able to allow it to meander. I started this as something of a survey (which, from the replies (other than a few such as Andina's, Becoming Susan's, your first reply, and Miki's) , seems to have been lost).

I didn't intend for it to become a debate but the choleric humours are flowing, somehow it got off on a topic I'm passionate about (I know how it got there, but I honestly didn't expect a passing reference to cause it to branch off), and it's a good way to let off steam. After I get a couple of hours of sleep I probably won't even remember this thread.

Choleric. Haven't seen that in a while.

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