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[–]unraveled01Washington[S] 5320 ポイント5321 ポイント  (491子コメント)

TL;DR version:

A bill that slaps new sanctions on Russia, and passed the Senate almost unanimously, has hit a major stumbling block in the House.

Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas) said the legislation has been flagged by the House parliamentarian as a "blue slip" violation, referring to the constitutional requirement that revenue bills originate in the House.

Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) lambasted the move, arguing they're using the procedural roadblock to cover for Trump, "who has been far too soft on Russia."

Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, added that Republicans could easily work around the violation by introducing an indention House bill.

[–]MostlyCarbonite 3139 ポイント3140 ポイント  (167子コメント)

requirement that revenue bills originate in the House

I can't imagine how this bill is a revenue bill.

[–]turtleneck360 749 ポイント750 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Makes me think it unanimously passed the Senate because Senate GOP knew beforehand it was going nowhere in the House.

[–]fartingwiffvengeanceOregon 2073 ポイント2074 ポイント  (54子コメント)

lobbyists from russia

[–]Claim_to_Lame 574 ポイント575 ポイント  (15子コメント)

These Russia sanctions are not Russian sanctioned

[–]BGMachine 218 ポイント219 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Supposedly something not particularly relevant to the Russia sanctions got tacked on at the last minute in Senate discussions, which wouldn't be all that surprising or unusual.

However, as mentioned, if they thought it was an issue they could just reintroduce the exact same bill in the house rather than just block it all together.

[–]Rootsinsky 268 ポイント269 ポイント  (12子コメント)

It looks like Russian sanctions were added as an amendment to the Iranian sanctions bill.

The only other two amendments were to reaffirm article 5 of NATO and exempt NASA from the sanctions so they could cooperate with the Russian space agency.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/politics/russia-sanctions-senate-trump/index.html

Do you have a source for what you are talking about?

[–]Chakra5Washington 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said this week that he was wary of Congress taking actions that could interfere with the administration's efforts to improve relations with Russia.

Lol. No shit there Rex

[–]Odica 620 ポイント621 ポイント  (121子コメント)

"I am confident working with the Senate and Chairman [Ed] Royce that we can move this legislation forward. So at the end of the day, this isn’t a policy issue, it’s not a partisan issue, it is a Constitutional issue that we will address," he told reporters.

Paul Ryan seems to be backing the sanctions, too. Sounds like red tape.

[–]bad-monkey 220 ポイント221 ポイント  (12子コメント)

"red tape" until the country collectively loses its fucking mind re: ACHA CBO next week, when everyone will instantly forget about Russia Sanctions.

[–]i_give_you_gum 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Some will forget, for a few moments, but what russia did won't be forgotten...

[–]darkstar3333 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well that is where Devos comes into play.

[–]hermionetargaryen 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I chuckled out loud until I realized this is actually possible.

[–]Itsprobablysarcasm 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it is a Constitutional issue that we will address

There's a whole lot of other constitutional issues he's refusing to address though...

[–]ManWithASquareHead 311 ポイント312 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Like all the GOP senators bitching about the AHCA being secret, but will vote for it regardless?

[–]a_James_Woods 623 ポイント624 ポイント  (39子コメント)

Don't believe it for a second. This is theater, and if it's not treat it like it is until something real happens because right now it's all just a bunch of bullshit dribbling through shit eating grins.

[–]an_internet_denizen 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (37子コメント)

What do the Russians have on Paul Ryan?

[–]mindfu 148 ポイント149 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Some speculation has been that Ryan was involved with money laundering through campaign funds in 2016.

[–]thehalfwit 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's been quite a recurring theme these days. Maybe our Secretary of Commerce should look into it?

To put things in context, SOC Wilbur Ross facilitated the sale of a Trump-owned mansion in Florida to a Russian oligarch -- Dmitry Rybolovlev -- who paid $95 million for a property Trump purchased for $41 million just two years prior, not long after the nationwide real estate meltdown of 2008.

[–]bad-monkey 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Laundered money, according to Taylor/Mensch. A bit skeptical about that, but a boy can dream?

[–]Hi__c 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We're all family here. No leaks right? In the washing machine... because I'm doing laundry at my mom's house... Oh I think the microwave just turned off.

[–]civil_liberty 299 ポイント300 ポイント  (19子コメント)

How is a sanctions bill a "revenue" bill? Fucking cowardly (R)ussialovers

[–]bruvar 200 ポイント201 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"It is a revenue bill it directly affects the revenue of our government by imposing sanctions on us. Shit, I mean the Russian government."

[–]d9_m_5California 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (5子コメント)

What's an "indention House bill"? Searching that phrase or anything similar just returns that page and a bunch of definitions for "indentation."

[–]BGMachine 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It just means that they could introduce the exact same bill in the House so technically it's now originated in the House rather than the Senate.

[–]FUCK_MITCH_MCCONNELL 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (141子コメント)

Is this true? Is it truly a procedural hang-up?

[–]unraveled01Washington[S] 159 ポイント160 ポイント  (46子コメント)

I didn't even know that part of the constitution existed so I'm going only by what the article says. Possibly a procedural issue, which the House could fix in that case, or the R's are being obstructionist. Again.

[–]foofelinefauxfox 179 ポイント180 ポイント  (27子コメント)

More likely they included language that could be problematic precisely so the house could point to it as a reason to not vote on it. Explains the extreme bipartisan vote. I have learned to always assume the worst of McConnell, you will never be disappointed.

[–]llllIlllIllIlI 246 ポイント247 ポイント  (11子コメント)

"Oh my, it seems that we've not followed a Congressional tradition. We have to start all over again as I wouldn't want to be known as a senator who disregarded the norms of our fine legislative chambers!"

-Mitch "the conveniently fucking blind turtle" McConnell

This guy seriously alternates between "respecting" congressional norms and buttfucking them into oblivion and the sooner his ass retires the better our country will be. He's a goddamn snake. He uses parliamentary procedures like they are cattle prods and will shit all over any rule so long as it helps him. Fuck I hate that guy.

[–]Nibble_on_this 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I heartily endorse this comment and cosign your thoughts about that swamp turtle.

he's always hated america

[–]relemhcs 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jesus, he's always looked like a fucking snake in human skin? How the hell has this person ever gotten anywhere in public office?

[–]MC_Fap_Commander 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Suddenly they're serious about following the letter of the law when it comes to the Constitution...

[–]carbondioxide_trimerTexas 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, as long as it benefits them. Otherwise to call them out on it is un-American and partisan.

[–]ValorPhoenix 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (86子コメント)

I have a feeling after the Republicans in the house see the results of tonight's special elections, the red tape will evaporate with all due haste.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/georgia-south-carolina-special-elections/

South Carolina 5, which represents solid red districts with a 20 point R lead just closed with a narrow 2 point Republican victory. Under these conditions, it seems likely they'll lose the house in 2018.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-special-election-in-frank-underwoods-district-also-matters/

[–]seeking_horizonMissouri 898 ポイント899 ポイント  (46子コメント)

Brady, the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, pushed back against suggestions that House GOP leadership is trying to delay the bill, stressing that he thought the Senate legislation was "sound policy."

"I am confident working with the Senate and Chairman [Ed] Royce that we can move this legislation forward. So at the end of the day, this isn’t a policy issue, it’s not a partisan issue, it is a Constitutional issue that we will address," he told reporters.

I mean, okay. This is dumb, and I'm not sure that I understand how exactly this counts as a "spending" bill, but if--if--they're serious about supporting the policy, let's see it. Anything that gets 98 votes in the fucking Senate ought to be able to sail past a procedural hurdle.

edit to add: this is a very easy bluff to call.

[–]STRONG_ROMNEY 270 ポイント271 ポイント  (31子コメント)

It's possible it passed unanimously through senate Republicans because they colluded with house Republicans to stop its passing there. So if the public/MSM pushes Russia ties more the Republicans can say they tried to get a bill sanctioning Russia passed but due to technicalities it couldn't, but they tried..

[–]melonlollicholypop 120 ポイント121 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I don't think this seems likely. House Republicans are more vulnerable with election time approaching more quickly than seems possible.

[–]Gs305 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Plus why risk the attention with such lopsided vote? I mean either way it's gonna stink to high heaven. Are house members THAT much cheaper to work with?

[–]Jkdsh 1938 ポイント1939 ポイント  (133子コメント)

'Let's ignore the warnings of every intelligence director that's been asked about Russia's interference and do fucking nothing.'

[–]IWasRightOnce 753 ポイント754 ポイント  (120子コメント)

lol, didn't 94/100 senators vote yes on it?

Edit: Nvm, it was 98/100

[–]RangoWrecks 293 ポイント294 ポイント  (67子コメント)

So Rand Paul and who else then? Haha

[–]alyosha_plsMaryland 231 ポイント232 ポイント  (31子コメント)

Mike Lee (R-Utah)

Edit: nah Bernie Sanders apparently

[–]mowdownjoeNew Jersey 138 ポイント139 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Who says he couldn't vote for it on account of a kidney stone.

[–]meherab 144 ポイント145 ポイント  (12子コメント)

No that's Chris Van Hollen (D) of Maryland. Lee voted no. Notice how there are 99 votes, if lee missed the vote he wouldn't have been a no

[–]ToxzonMinnesota 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (11子コメント)

97, Lee and Paul voted no and there was 1 absent Dem vote (can't remember his name)

[–]BACK_BURNER 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Van Hollen, from Maryland. Claimed kidney stones, so he gets a pass. He was absent for the vote to add the amendment, but got there for the final vote.

[–]mfabros 161 ポイント162 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Claimed kidney stones, so he gets a pass."

I hope this pun was intentional

[–]ertriAmerica 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (5子コメント)

got there for the final vote.

Eh, legitimate medical issue, showed up for the real thing? Not too bad.

[–]Rhymeswithfreak 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've had kidney stones. You can totally probably show up for a vote with them....but anyone who talks to you might think you are the most miserable son of a bitch ever. I've worked with them before...fuck.

[–]ertriAmerica 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, so showing up to a near-unanimous vote is probably not worth it.

[–]BadChicken47 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I was arguing with a Trump supporter earlier who claimed that that is literally fake news based on anonymous sources. He didn't seem to want to respond to the congressional testimony

[–]spiffy_name 9004 ポイント9005 ポイント  (367子コメント)

The redditor that said we should put billboards up that read "Vote R for Russia and vote D for democracy" was spot-on.

[–]TheKickingLegs 762 ポイント763 ポイント  (140子コメント)

Particularly if the red/blue colors could get worked in.

[–]PragProgLibertarian 593 ポイント594 ポイント  (125子コメント)

Red has always been associated with Russia.

Back in the cold war the slogan was: better dead than red.

[–]DrBoomkin 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (37子コメント)

"Better dead than Red" could be easily used against Republicans as well. It's not difficult to imagine a poster with that message, that is made in a way that associates the word "red" with the GOP.

Could be another good way to emphasize the Russia collusion.

[–]mithrasinvictus 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (24子コメント)

It's also not difficult to imagine that message backfiring in connection to the baseball shooting.

[–]jonlucc 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (7子コメント)

All of the text in white; top half of the billboard has a bright red background, bottom half is blue background. The "and" is dropped and that's where you put the line break. It would have the benefit of being attention-grabbing in a way that a busier or less vibrant billboard wouldn't.

[–]tashedmesticles 1209 ポイント1210 ポイント  (78子コメント)

That's actually a pretty ingenious idea

[–]throwaway_ghastCalifornia 489 ポイント490 ポイント  (46子コメント)

Someone start a gofundme page!

[–]CelestialFuryMinnesota 272 ポイント273 ポイント  (35子コメント)

Fuck yeah, lets do this.

[–]silvervp5 229 ポイント230 ポイント  (18子コメント)

I would seriously donate to this cause. This is embarrassing.

[–]UnsubstantiatedClaimForeign 180 ポイント181 ポイント  (23子コメント)

The problem is how many people would still vote R

[–]exwasstalking 219 ポイント220 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Pretty much all of the people already voting R.

[–]the_last_carfighter 239 ポイント240 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Fun Fact: Naked and obvious treason isn't treason when you're a republican.

[–]Pyrit 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you need a redefining of the word "fun".

The fact part is still applicable though.

[–]xvampireweekend19 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wrap my treason in a American flag

[–]AmericanAdvocate 306 ポイント307 ポイント  (73子コメント)

[–]jedimikaVermont 277 ポイント278 ポイント  (7子コメント)

The D should be blue and equal in size to the R.

Also, I'd recommend flipping it: Vote D for democracy. Vote R for Russia. As English has a left-right bias you what the preferable option to lead. This helps capture partial readings of people who didn't really read it, but saw it as they passed by.

Edit: Then again, I'm a Vermonter talking about billboards. So take what you will from that.

[–]Suiradnase 226 ポイント227 ポイント  (16子コメント)

The R for Russia is too big. It over emphasizes voting R.

[–]armoredporpoise 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The comma is mis-spaced in the title line and the lack of R/D symmetry is infuriating.

[–]Gonzo_Rick 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know, I want to say that the dark clouds are little bit much, but it's that kind of shit that actually works. Nice job!

The only addition I'd make use the "D" being blue.

[–]ragnarockette 2322 ポイント2323 ポイント  (210子コメント)

I believe Mueller is going to uncover that many, many GOP politicians filled their coffers with Russian money (whether they knew it or not). This is why they are obstructing. Because it is going to look very, very bad for them.

[–]turp119 632 ポイント633 ポイント  (145子コメント)

Back when the talk about investigating the Russian hack first started, i remember reading a redditors post saying that they had friends in the intelligence community that was close to the investigation. They said trump was going to spend the rest of his life in prison, and a ton of top republicans could go with him over dirt with Russia. President hatch was a very likely outcome. At the time, It sounded like a super liberal wet dream. But each day that passes, it seems a little more likely. Wish id have saved that post.

[–]wstsdr 266 ポイント267 ポイント  (80子コメント)

All that refers to 20committee on Twitter, who - at the start of all this - ominously stated Trump would die in jail. It's certainly heading that way, albeit very slowly.

[–]MisterBastahrd 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (10子コメント)

The only way he dies in jail is if Schneiderman nails him on RICO charges. Trump would certainly get pardoned as a mea culpa to the batshit crazy right wing, but that only applies to federal charges.

[–]The_Bravinator 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (6子コメント)

What was the public reaction when Nixon was pardoned? Because I could see people FLIPPING OUT if they did that for Trump after all of this.

[–]FBI_and_or_CIAVirginia 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Mass protests following the Presidential pardon, Ford got his ass handed to him in the elections.

[–]Andrroid 177 ポイント178 ポイント  (55子コメント)

Slowly? This shit is happening stupidly fast.

[–]MisterNiceGuy001 268 ポイント269 ポイント  (52子コメント)

Not fast enough

[–]USS_Covfefe 210 ポイント211 ポイント  (46子コメント)

My pipe dream is that the investigation will take it's time because it will implicate almost the entire Republican party and they are making a solid case against all of them before releasing anything. Send them all down with the ship.

[–]MoreCowbells 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably take as long to get fired from the dmv.

[–]hubife13 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (27子コメント)

I would be shocked if trump went to prison. A red president would pardon him.

[–]DeignWashington 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (19子コメント)

They pardoned Nixon afterall. However, I don't know how you can sell pardoning treason (assuming that it's treason, otherwise he ain't goin to jail).

[–]Disco_Dhani 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (12子コメント)

That's not a Redditor's story. You're combining elements of the uncorroborated accounts by John Schindler (Trump will die in prison) and Louise Mensch (President Hatch). I hope they're right, but I think it's just as likely that they—especially Louise Mensch—are looking to make money off of this. She started a new website for it and prominently displays donation buttons on every post.

It would be great if they're right, but I find it suspicious that no mainstream media sources have been able to corroborate most of Mensch's claims. Preet Bharara even mocked her claim that there is a sealed indictment for Trump, saying that it is "utter nonsense" stemming from a conspiracy theorist. I'd love it for him to be wrong, but he certainly knows something about the law—and he was even investigating matters relating to Trump before he was fired.

[–]ua1176 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Neither Schindler nor Mensch are in need of the amounts of money that would come from blog donations.

look up what Peter Mensch does for a living.

and Schindler obliquely refers to his own wealth from time to time.

not saying this makes their claims true or false either way. but i doubt they're doing their things purely for $$$.

(my own opinion- Schindler's a great writer, with a legitimate gift for taking complex historical or national security topics and making them digestible for the everyman. Mensch is....i don't know what her game is. she clearly has some sources on some things but some of what she's saying is way off in outer space)

[–]XaeVS 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (4子コメント)

She also went from Center Right to Hard Left just in time to cash in on Trump outrage.

She'll say whatever gets her attention.

[–]Tidusx145 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just like Glenn Beck. Dude bitches about Trump and yet he is part of the reason a guy like Donnie got elected in the first place.

[–]ManBearScientist 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They'll just fire him and move on. There is no shining city over the hill or white knight to save us from Republicans. The only thing that can stop them is them, and the one thing we should have learned by now is to always expect Republicans to act in bad faith.

[–]brainhack3r 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm really looking forward to their house of cards falling down...

[–]darkseadrakeMassachusetts 803 ポイント804 ポイント  (132子コメント)

Why?!

[–]BoltB11California 609 ポイント610 ポイント  (87子コメント)

Trump told them to. More ammo for Papa Mueller.

[–]cyanocittaetprocyon 486 ポイント487 ポイント  (63子コメント)

What the actual fuck is going on with the Republicans? Are they all in Putin's pocket now??

[–]a_James_Woods 393 ポイント394 ポイント  (19子コメント)

They simply can't admit that they owe their current power to nefarious meddling. To admit that would shatter their illusion of control. It's like how Pinocchio admitting he was built by Geppeto is admitting he's not a "real boy".

I had strings, but now I'm free. There are no strings on me.

[–]PhlabloPicasso 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Oh they know it's from nefarious meddling. The question is if it's from their own voter suppression and gerrymandering efforts or foreign influence. Didn't help that the democrats ran the one candidate who couldn't win a Ba'ath Party election against a ham sandwich.

[–]a_James_Woods 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They're certainly aware, and every bit counted. Placing these sanctions for this reason is admitting Russia played a part which further weakens their already pathetic mandate.

[–]Stoopid-Stoner 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well seeing as the RNC might part of a larger RICO case....yes.

[–]CarmineFields 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're almost all thoroughly corrupt.

[–]Bayern_bru 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What the actual fuck is going on with the Republicans?

They've gotten away with shit for so long, they think that handwaiving this block as simply a 'blue ship' issue is going to convince people reading the headline "House Republicans block Russia Sanctions bill" that they aren't completely full of shit.

In other words, they're imbeciles.

[–]f_d 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, they don't care about people reading the news headlines anymore. They listen to their donors and use propaganda to tell their followers what to think. Everyone else is an enemy to be neutralized.

[–]myellabellaTexas 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Yes. For the past couple of years Russia has been formed relationships with the NRA, "Law and Order" Conservatives like Sheriff David Clarke, conservative websites, and conservative and religious Republicans.

[–]DeepFriedToblerone 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics.

-Foundations of Geopolitics

They've been telling us how they would take over the world for years, who knew it would be so effective that we would just watch it happen in slow motion.

[–]NewsBingerOhio 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Papa Mueller is going to end up on the $20 bill by the time all this is done for saving America. He can't unseat George or Abe, and Hamilton has that musical, but Andrew Jackson better watch his ass.

[–]Cherokeestrips 129 ポイント130 ポイント  (15子コメント)

It's been "Blue Slipped," it's just a temporary delay based on the procedural requirement that revenue bills start in the House. The bill will be held up until the issue of whether or not a foreign sanctions bill is a revenue bill per se (it's probably not) is resolved.

I didn't read the article either, and don't know if the article addressed this, but I know this from earlier reading.

[–]ranchoparksteve 463 ポイント464 ポイント  (39子コメント)

The Republican Civil War is on full display here. The party no longer stands for anything in particular.

[–]whollyfictional 117 ポイント118 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Hey, they're pretty united in hating whatever Obama did.

[–]wstsdr 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They just used teamwork to kill the bill. They're pretty united.

[–]ScarlettailFlorida 408 ポイント409 ポイント  (20子コメント)

The GOP justification is nonsensical. A revenue bill? This is a sanctions bill which you would expect to appear in the Senate. Are they really that coddled with Russia?

[–]BraveNewTrumpCalifornia 164 ポイント165 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Rep Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, added that Republicans could easily work around the violation by introducing an indention House bill.

“[But] I predict this isn't the last excuse we'll hear for trying to slow this bill's momentum, but make no mistake, anything short of an up-or-down vote on this tough sanctions package is an attempt to let Russia off the hook," he said.

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[–]Smallmammal 303 ポイント304 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Called it the day the senate voted on theirs. The house is very Trump friendly and I imagine many GOP races were funded by laundered Russian money.

Also Trump setup a new formula for winning the presidency. Have Putin's cyberarmy on your side and say the dumbest most bigoted things imaginable. Those reps have big dreams and don't want to piss off Daddy Vlad.

[–]sn00kie 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Interesting, Sean Spicer said this morning when asked about this bill, (paraphrasing), "I don't know, we'll have to wait and see as the bill hasn't gone through the house yet". I'm sure that was just a coincidence...

[–]coolpeepz 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was, bills passed with 98 votes in the Senate get blocked by the house constantly, especially when the majority party in each body is the same. /s

[–]drugsnothugsjkCalifornia 178 ポイント179 ポイント  (6子コメント)

NOW they care about the Constitution?

[–]nibbles200 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (5子コメント)

This clearly has nothing to do with the Constitution.

[–]Shasta-DaisiesVirginia 198 ポイント199 ポイント  (33子コメント)

Oh McCain is gonna be very concerned about this. Maybe he'll be concerned enough to vote against Trumpcare.

[–]amerett0Pennsylvania 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nah he's busy cracking jokes that the Russians have read more of McConnell's trash bill than any them. At what point can we call geriatric senility for what it is?

[–]ricksaus 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Put. Them. All. In. Jail.

[–]RileyWWarrickAmerica 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Man, Reagan must be rolling over in his grave seeing how his party has turned in a frat party of Russian fan boys.

[–]Hacking_the_Gibson 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Since FDR, the Republicans have been a referendum party on the mere existence of federal income tax.

These people clearly believe that the only Constitutional obligation of the federal government is to provide a military.

I say we go ahead and give it to them. Eliminate all federal programs, and push them to the states. Let places like California, New York, and Massachusetts lead the way in finance, technology, and entertainment and let places like West Virginia, Kentucky, and Texas get raped for their resources and left in shambles.

[–]jcboarder901New Hampshire 144 ポイント145 ポイント  (7子コメント)

The GOP is no longer loyal to the USA.

[–]relevantlife 526 ポイント527 ポイント  (17子コメント)

The Republicans in the House do not want Russia to face any consequences for meddling in our election.

Let's call the GOP what they are.... just a bunch of goons who suck Putin cock.

[–]theweirdonehereCalifornia 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course Republicans don't want them to face consequences, they have full control thanks to the Russians.

[–]BloodOrca 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Republicans in the senate voted YES knowing full well their house counterparts will reject it.

[–]Caraes_Naur 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep, this Senate bill was a stall tactic. If the party received Russian money, then every elected member of the party benefited from it: White House, Senate, House, Governors, state houses, and all the way down.

[–]SmallGerbilColorado 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be clear, all congresspersons quoted in this report (except Schumer, but they used his quote to be the balance) fully expect this bill to go through once revised.

I mean, we'll see. Kleptocracy has been revived in its most vile forms.

[–]bestman 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why I don't believe House Republicans will impeach Trump even with hard evidence of Russia collusion or obstruction of justice. They will just shrug it off and come with some bs excuses.

[–]CopyX 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not saying the Republican party is under the heel of the Russians.

I'm saying if I was going to write a story about a political party who behaved at the whim of a foreign government, this is what it would look like.

[–]wstsdr 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perfect! Kill the bill without having to vote on it. Taking over this country is far easier than I thought.

[–]jomylo 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (22子コメント)

OK, people who support the GOP currently - what is the logical reason for Donald Trump, Jeff Sessions, Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner, and so many other Republicans to have all of these contacts?

I want to hear the other side of this story because I can't help but think that something nefarious is going on. Your party sounds supportive of an oppressive regime (Russia) and making a lot of decisions that directly benefit them.

[–]ryokinekoTennessee 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well and to lie about them. Absolute best case scenario is that they wanted to make Russia a strong ally (mainly for business purposes) but didn't want the public to know for fear that it would affect votes but it also looks a lot like they were negotiating and conducting foreign policy before actually assuming office, which is a problem itself. That is BEST case scenario.

I am sure they will say it is due to concerns about Germany that they blocked it.

[–]mfabros 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (11子コメント)

What the actual fuck is going on? It is absolutely terrifying what has happened to the republican party.

[–]AngryBudgie13Indiana 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Nothing happened, the mask just came off.

They've got the system rigged in their favor (gerrymandering, and the cap on House representation.) Their voters are too ignorant and/or bigoted to stop electing them, because they're single issues voters. They win the senate by focus on low population and low education states.

All they have to do is say guns/god/gays/abortion and their voters will vote R, even if the candidate is a violent thug, a racist, a sexist, or openly states they will take away their healthcare and other services.

Republicans can plunder the country with impunity for their wealthy masters, even if democrats have higher total vote tallies in the presidential and house races.

[–]IheartNATOfckRssa 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget the rumors about the GOP laundering Russian money, and the recent revelations that our votes could've been compromised. Rachel Maddow just did a segment about RICO lawyers coming after Trump and the team. This conspiracy is becoming ever truer as seen from this article.

Edit: typo

[–]justinlancaster 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (4子コメント)

What is with these freaking people?

[–]Heylookaguy 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lots and lots of Russian money.

This is all because of CU.

[–]UnsubstantiatedClaimForeign 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I suspect for many it's not Russian money but instead Russian kompromat.

[–]FUCK_MITCH_MCCONNELL 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh my sweet fucking jesus

[–]orrangearrowOhio 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Witnessing a coup d'etat

[–][deleted] 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Between this and the AHCA the GOP has objectively demonstrated that they are more than happy to betray the health and safety of the nation and it's people. I am not condoning violence, but if you want more GOP Congressmen to get shot, this is how you go about it: enacting legislation you know will kill and bankrupt tens of thousands while enabling a foreign enemy of the United States.

[–]btao 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

FFS, is it ok to hate every Republican in congress? I'm not even a Democrat, but Republicans have for the past decade been as a whole, responsible for derailing a functional government. Led from the top, they have even gone so far as to try to change the rules so they can unilaterally do as they please. Government was intentionally setup in a way to prevent this, and historically members of congress approached governing and legislation based on diplomacy and compromise. The opposite exists now. Republicans repeatedly have shown their cards, exclaiming boldly during Obama's administration that they will simply do everything in their power to block everything he and the Democrats propose in an attempt to deny a positive legacy. This is absurd, and Republicans seem perfectly ok with having no respect for each other and for the entire population of this country, including the ones that voted them in.

[–]CYBER_COMMANDER 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There it is. Unless they're stalling to make the sanctions stricter, there really is no defense.

[–]bookbindrFlorida 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (4子コメント)

People don't want to use the word, but it is scary close to neo-fascism when congress is passing laws in secret. It's a hallmark of authoritarianism.

[–]YoungBurtCooper 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How long do we as a people just sit around and take these repeated shots to the face? Why is this going to change??? Maybe the democratic system is truly broken.

[–]AvengerMKIINew York 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait, hold on just a minute. A bill unanimously passed by a Republican Senate Majority blocked by a Republican House majority....What?

[–]Jigga_Justin 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a despicable group of scum.

[–]Deeptrance83 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pretty obvious that Russia has successfully infiltrated the US Government.

[–]lankist 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Senate Republicans knew this would happen. That's the reason they passed it at such a near-unanimous margin. They're trying to confuse the argument and make people think they aren't a united front in their treason.

The GOP, traitors all.

[–]Naolini 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.) stressed that he didn't think the Senate bill actually had a "blue slip" issue, but echoed Engel noting they it could be "easily corrected" by using a House bill.

"What the House many times believes [is] that if there's any fine in the legislation ... that's a revenue measure, and therefore that comes under the blue slip," he said. "I don't believe that's a part of this bill, but I know the House has raised this in the past."

I'll wait to see if the House puts forth its own bill.

[–]john_kennedy_tooleOregon 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the Senate vote was just giving senator's cover in upcoming elections.

"I'm serious about Russia, I voted on this bill!!"

That went nowhere.

That many GOP senators voting yes on something that isn't terrible makes me think something has to be up.