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DISCUSSIONIs anyone else even slightly disappointed with the direction this game has been taking? (self.FFXV)

kimjongiv が 投稿

Unpopular opinion and I'll probably get downvoted to hell, but I don't get the hype. These dlc episodes don't seem to add any substantial content. Sure they're only $5 but hearing them clocking in at only an hour or 2 long upsets me. I'd rather them make larger expansions with the worlds they hadn't finished in the main game like the Crown City. Ala Witcher 3.

Idk I'd like to hear more opinions about this but I was really looking forward to the post release content and all the possibilities but seeing it all play out in this way is underwhelming.

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[–]mouse_marple 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would like to see an expansion of the world as well, but I don't think the character oriented DLCs and world expansion are mutually exclusive.

[–]GreenDragonPatriot 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I get this mentality for Episode Gladio, but Episode Prompto hasn't released yet and same for Ignis. So maybe save the judgement for after you play them?

[–]fullbringrubeus 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I mean he's right in that they'll be accessed from the special menu and they don't change the main story.

[–]kimjongiv[S] 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They don't even have to change the main story. But they can make side stories, new explorable areas that were undoubtedly in development but were scrapped sometime during development hell. Some sort of substantial side expansion that would get people much more hyped up to get back into the game than a couple episodes. I mean a lot of the player base moved on and the multiplayer expansion has barely been talked about.

[–]fullbringrubeus 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yea that would've been cool if they had DLCs where you purchase it and then new characters/cutscenes/quests appear in the main game.

But so they did the survey thing and all of that sounds like just the sort of stuff for what you're talking about. E.g. Luna activities, Ardyn activities, etc.

[–]motoleo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Taelpar Crag starts in an area that you can go to in the main game. But when you try to go there in the main game, you just see a rock.

[–]REsoleSurvivor1000 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Speaking of which has anything been mentioned regarding the multiplayer stuff recently? I'm one of those people you mentioned "moving on" so I thought I'd bring that up.

It's a terrible shame how slow things have been developing that much I will say.

[–]Shade04rek 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The judgement is irrelevant since the episodes are pretty much separate games for the most part, and that is the point.

[–]LemonEatingKowGaming 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I dont really have a problem with the direction the DLC is going in. Purely because it is 'only' DLC. If they had of been advertised as Expansions/ Expansion Packs, then I would of been very upset. I am not sure of the price point of the Witcher content but they were promoted as expansions and as such you would expect a good amount of content. And content that expands on the main game. I like the fact that FFXV dlc feels like dlc. It doesnt really feel like it belongs as part of the main game. Which gives them freedom to look at things from a different direction. FFXV is far from perfect & I dont think that any amount of dlc, expansions or content can Truely make the game what it could/ should of been. Though I have the season pass and I think time played to money spent ratio is pretty damn good.

[–]could-of-bot 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's either would HAVE or would'VE, but never would OF.

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[–]Cyndaquil_God 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol, perfect name too. Could of

[–]orig4mi-713 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lets roast bots my man

[–]zelmarvalarion 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Witcher 3 expansions were $10 (Hearts of Stone) and $20 (Blood and Wine), so 2-4 FFXV DLCs. Definitely a lot more playtime/opportunities per dollar for the Witcher ones (probably equivalent of some smaller games themselves). Hearts of Stone was ~10h I believe, and Blood and Wine was 20-30h, plus Blood and Wine was very highly reviewed (Hearts of Stone was more lukewarm iirc)

[–]Shade04rek 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is dlc sure, but why should it even be attributed to FFXV itself? They could just as easily have been sold separately in the ps store and not require FFXV to play them.

[–]bitterLily 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (5子コメント)

People's time-value of money varies. Not to mention expectations of return on emotional investment. For me, I think its fine. Considering a movie is $10 for 1-2 hours of entertainment ($15 for 3D), $5 for 1-2 hours of additional game content sounds reasonable.

I think offering mini-sodes for the bros is a neat idea. In my opinion, 15 is about the small moments and the small stories. So, that's what I expect from the character episodes. Yeah, episode Gladio didn't add to the bigger plot, but it added a bit to his story. Would I like to see future FF titles have a broader, world-encompassing focus, narrative and otherwise? Yes. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the road-trip.

[–]KnowledgeBroker -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Okay, but suppose the rest of us don't go to a movie for $10(or $15 for 3d) unless we know it's going to be a movie worth watching in the theater.. What the OP wants is something worthy of paying movie prices, what the expansions give is something worthy of Netflix.. you paid your dues, here ya go.

I would absolutely support something that deserves the word expansion.. fuck their stupid dlc.

[–]Lia_cae 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

There are people who wants and like the dlc so if you don't feel like they're 'worth it' don't buy them, Episode Prompto looks fantastic which go indept on his character.

[–]Shade04rek -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a question of if it's worth it. It's the fact that we are actually not getting anything for the actual game we originally played and leveled up our characters in. And, the updates are updates and don't count, as every game has their patches.

[–]xXDibbs 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I get where your coming from but I think you need to understand the differance between DLC and expansions.

DLC are smaller in scale to expansions and are much cheaper by comparison usually DLC is comprised of costumes or side content, like voice packs or musics tracks.

Expansions are significant pieces of contant on a much larger scale the expand on the content found in the base game.

I know that when you compare it to a game like Skyrim or a game like the Witcher3 you may see it lacking but when you compare it to how over JRPG's handle DLC its above and beyond the price/content ratio.

For example would you rather pay for a single costume and a few new music tracks for $6 or have something like Episode Gladiolas for $5?

I'll give you a list of other JRPG's and their DLC prices and I want you to compare them to what FFXV is offering and tell me if its any more upsetting.

Here is Persona 5's DLC : www.dualshockers.com/persona-5-dlc-schedule-outlined-ps4-ps3/

Here is the DLC Prices for Tales of Berseria: store.steampowered.com/dlc/429660/

And here is Nier's DLC store.steampowered.com/app/580600/NieRAu...ta__3C3C1D119440927/

You have to remember that FFXV isn't an RPG but a JRPG, so comparing it to WRPG is like comparing Borderlands to TitanFall 2.

Hope this was able to help.

[–]Shade04rek -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Doesn't even matter what the paid content is labeled as or how big/small it is, it doesn't affect gameplay in the main game, as it is standalone. Their efforts are directed away from the game we originally bought.

[–]xXDibbs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have to remember that FFXV isn't an RPG but a JRPG, so comparing it to WRPG is like comparing Borderlands to TitanFall 2.

So a $120 worth of costumes and tracks with each piece baisically being at $6 is perfectly fine but having content that adds on the narrative of the base game for $5 a pop is bad..............................?

Its much better price to value ratio imho, it offers a much better price to value ratio then most DLC offered by other JRPG's I've offered a link to each of them so you can compare and contrast them yourself.

[–]motoleo 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The DLC does have you running around new areas, all over Gralea and Niflheim. And Taelpar Crag. And we're actually getting to see more because we're using Prompto's special access.

[–]lanxal22 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Imo, the DLC basically feel like playable versions of the Brotherhood anime and Kingsglaive movie in that they're inconsequential and add close to nothing to the main game. Character side stories are great and all, but when they're implemented in a way that's so disconnected to the main game I find that it actually takes away from the final result rather than add to it in the sense that I'll play it and forget about it; whereas the main game sticks with me. I feel the same way about the timed quests; like they de-value the main game with add-ons rather than directly building and creating a unified masterpiece.

[–]11fingerfreak 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm liking what SE is doing. Best game purchase I've made thus far.

[–]FulbrightJones 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

$5 barely buys much of anything these days. The value seems reasonable to the amount of work they are putting in, imho.

[–]co-pmp 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

nope.

[–]bleakraven 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's okay, I'm happy I get more content. Hoping all these unique mechanics for each companion means we can switch characters eventually.

[–]Shade04rek 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would make the dlc so worth it in terms of time spent developing it.

[–]msciel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. I like the dlc and all, like knowing more about the characters, but that would've been more impacting during the game, not after. Even though I love this game I have the hardest time recommending it to people because I have to preface with "you won't know what's going on unless you watch this movie and this anime" and even then the plot is structured in such a way I just can't recommend it to people. After you finish the movie, anime, and game you have the whole picture and the story makes sense, but it doesn't make sense during the game. I'm sure that someone who buys the game a while from now and has all the dlc and etc from the get go will have a better experience. But for me, while I enjoy the dlc, I always know in the back of my mind that it exists because they structured their story so shoddily that they needed to make them so the audience would know what's going on.

[–]orig4mi-713 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let me tell you, there are people who are disappointed. I am so glad that I am not one of them. This game is amazing and I am still playing after 200 hours and getting the platinum around 80.

[–]rcinmd 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Have you played the second DLC already? It's a pretty bold claim to say "these DLC don't add" if you don't even know.

[–]Shade04rek -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It'll most likely add a prompto outfit and a weapon with average damage.

[–]ARMINPEOPLEHATE 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm disappointed, but that's mostly to do with the price. It cost $60 for the season pass here. I do think the story telling could have been executed far better so I was looking forward to the DLC clarifying things or showing a different point of view (as in, "here's a different take on someone's motives" and not "hold down O while listening to Cor say a whole lot of nothing about his past") but it was just a big disappointment. If it weren't for the explanations posted to this sub, I wouldn't have understood a lot of the story. I mean Ravus, wtf.

I'm a huge FF fan, I've got the merchandise, I've played heaps of the games, I even decorated my gaming pc to have a FF theme. I bought the collectors edition just because I wanted to really show my support and appreciation to Square for defining such a chunk of my childhood. But considering how much it costs in my country, it's really disappointing to play something that doesn't feel like it adds anything to the story.

I'm glad they're continuing to update things and listen to customers though, so I'm hopeful that by the time the Ignis episode rolls out it'll be something that adds a lot to the experience.

[–]MikeyTheShavenApe 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. All the DLC should have been integrated into the main game so you'd run into it on replays. This sort of "here, have 45 minutes of playtime that feels disconnected from anything else and doesn't add much to the core game" DLC drove me nuts in the Arkham games too. I'd prefer the approach Bethesda takes.

[–]kingkellogg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have to agree, I want something real and big. I also HATE timed quest. So I am pretty bitter about that.

[–]Tenzi92 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I absolutely agree. Before FF15 came out I bought the version with the season pass but havn't really made use of it cause like you said it adds almost nothing to the game. Sure it is nice to play gladio with a new moveset but I don't know... I would have rather payed a few euros more and get content added to the base game.

[–]RemoteCrab131 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This game is aimed for young generations of gamers. Noah said. It's hard to follow the tradition when something else is popular.

[–]NexTheReal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No hate on FF15, just a personal preference, but I would have liked if the map design direction would have been a bit more like episode duscae rather than have everything spammed with bushes and the map blocked off with fences.

[–]Lia_cae 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Prompto episode seem to be adding lots of substantial content, and i'm expecting Ignis episode even more since they said his story will be the most impactful. I would like an expansion as well but it's not like not having it before anything else ruins the game for me, they recently made a survey with lots of different contents we'll see what they will give us in future

[–]NickyNackyPattyWacky 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Episode Prompto looks like it has a lot more story and interesting events than Gladio. If it at all lives up to the trailer I would be happy with a bunch more of that.

[–]Soundch4ser 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The notion that the amount of time it takes to complete content equals how valuable it is is a farce.

Obviously we'd all prefer huge expansions a la W3 but it's clear they aren't allocating/don't have the resources to pull that off.

I thought Gladio was totally worth it. Fighting in that is even more fun than the base game. If you don't like it because you don't care for the fighting or the story, that's on thing. But to say you don't like it because 2 hours is such nonsense.

[–]vanishplusxzone 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Praise Geraldo!

FFS what crybabying. "They're only 5 bucks, I don't get why they're not massive huge expansions with all the gameplay like the Witcher 3, best game ever that all games should be!"

[–]asuraLevi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

$5 per two hours of fun seems okay to me. I pay way more for the same amount of time on a cinema.

[–]hokagenaruto 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. The dlc has been very meh and makes me glad I ddin't get the season pass

[–]Shade04rek 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ever since I realized from ep. Gladiolus that they all were basically stand-alone, I lost faith in ever doing something new with Noctis again, the core gameplay. Yes we get tweaks here and there, but when it all comes down to it, endgame is still just copy-paste menace floors and max angelus farming. Good example with witcher 3 and open world expansion, that's what I expected with the dlc before info came out, for them to finish what they didn't have time for? I thought it was obvious but I guess not.

[–]IgnisIsBae 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upvote for you for having an opinion and being courteous about it!

I'm actually pretty please with the additional content, thus far. I do feel like the story could've been better expanded on in the main game, but that honestly hasn't stopped me from enjoying it. I also think the DLC is adding some sort of substance to the main game since it covers sections where each character separates from the group. Lastly, I just really appreciate that they are continuing to add content instead of just leaving it where it is, and even providing a survey to get an idea of what people want. I dunno, I'm not playing a whole lot of games these days, so maybe other devs are being just as, or more responsive, but I can appreciate and like what Squeenix is doing so far.

[–]ultramatt1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. I'd love if the game took on more of a Bethesda feel where the entire map is traversable, get rid of all the rock formations that block in areas, and where the DLC's simply add new areas or quest lines to the main game world.
I guess the thing holding this back is the storyline. Fallout/Skyrim have stories but, like, they're don't have the central focus that FFXV's story line has, and therefore adding new content is just another storyline in a game with 100. And I know that Square is trying to use these Episodes to polish up the story elements that they were forced to rush out and weren't happy with. However, Episode Gladio is quality, a little light in total playtime maybe, but definitely quality. I guess I just feel like FFXV has the potential to be so much better, and I'd love to see DLC take it to those highs even if I understand that that isn't going to happen at this point.

[–]Ieuanb5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We all would like to see a bigger expansion thing, but that could take ages, and wasn't announced whereas the episodes are, fill in events that we miss in the story, introduce new gameplay mechanics and perhaps tide us over to the expansion you're talking about

[–]Rifleshoot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe they said that after episode ignis they will be doing a larger expansion. As far as how large it really is, that remains to be seen. I'm not getting my hopes up.

[–]ryanppax 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But wait til you play all the other great "games" in the expanding universe! /s

[–]fullbringrubeus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Agree. They're neat and it's weird to have them have no impact on the main story besides a new cut scene ala "gee prompto what happened after blah blah.." after clicking on special menu to access it

[–]kimjongiv[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It just feels so gimmicky. Like I can get the full experience just by watching it on YouTube or some streamer play it. Who knows, maybe after everything's released I'll have a solid 10-15 hours of gameplay but I'm still not a fan of this episodial structure. And by that time I'll probably lose interest and there will be better stuff to play. Just sad that this game took this route because I loved the base game when it came out.

[–]Shade04rek 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It sounds like people would have been happier with a FFXV movie series, rather than an actual game.

[–]riverslakes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a Day 0 customer, I love the open world like crazy but am hugely disappointed with the linear second half and Episode Gladio (could not bloody finish it). Let's see the other DLCs.

[–]neostrike3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only thing i hate is how short they are 1-2 hrs compared to how long we have to wait for them 3-4 months each

[–]sushiperv 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

slightly

I am utterly devastated by this game. Expected some much more quality-wise.

:(

[–]holy455 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People are fanboying too much imo they will just downvote but i for one thought this ff was extremely disappointing and what was promised was not even in the game i beat the game in a bout 5 days final boss was super easy just a unfinished game tbh

[–]bobbothegobbo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was one of the staunchest defenders of this game at launch, I platinumed it very early on. Truly loved it, now im kinda over it.. just play it when new patches are out since I've paid for it all.. kinda over it at this point.

Plus.. Zodiac Age soon lol.

[–]Soundch4ser 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like I'm the only person in the world whose favourite FF is 12. Incredibly pumped for Zodiac Age

[–]xgodspeed_killua -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Its actually pretty stupid we have to pay for DLC that should have been part of the game to begin with.

[–]fullbringrubeus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I feel that way too sorta. I remember playing FFX2 and having so many chapters and side quests to pursue. This game though feels like it was either rushed or purposefully made broad (a little bit of story in many different areas) and vague with intentions to flesh it out with sequels or story-contributing DLCs. So all those things in the survey-- I wonder if they'll be free updates or sold as new DLCs. I'd prefer free but I'd buy them as DLCs.

[–]xgodspeed_killua 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There will be a 2nd season pass Im 90% sure. What im mad about is that if they waited another year/ year and a half we would have all these things as part of the main game for 70€/$. But because they decided to rush it we have to pay 50 extra €...

[–]fullbringrubeus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ugh... I think you're right. Still, I am happy they're making the content after we've all invested the monies.

[–]Shade04rek 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How quickly people had forgotten that playing as our party and having all the cutscenes was a normal thing.

[–]xgodspeed_killua 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True, the thing I loved about the ps1/2 days was that developers knew that if they messed up something, once shipped there couldn't be anything done about it (Dont get me wrong, updates today are good) so they tried their best to make the best possible game with as little bugs as possible. Today with the Internet and DLCs we get super buggy games weeks 1 and 2 with updates coming to solve this problem and cut content so they can charge us with payed DLC.

With the amount of things they are changing in XV I better sell my Collecter's edition guide book (30€) or just remake the guide lmao.

[–]Jerbearmeow -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kind of disappointed with any direction that isn't a PC release, but great to see Final Fantasy being kept alive in whatever way Square can manage.