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[–]vcpink 1966 ポイント1967 ポイント  (62子コメント)

Not to mention every person driving behind him on the roads in and around his home town.

[–]ridik_ulass 521 ポイント522 ポイント  (54子コメント)

The avrage number of followers per twitter account was 202-707 and he rounded to 450, but he didn't account for how many of them would be the same follower.

Say I retweet it and my friend sees it and does the same, thats N-1 right there as the tweeter, is a viewer too, then how many of those followers over lap with each other?

[–]SwayExpert 227 ポイント228 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Also assumes that every twitter follower will see every tweet and I'm guessing that average follower count is brought up from celebrities who probably didn't retweet it

[–]InspectorMendel 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Yeah, average is a bad measure to use in this context. Median might be better.

[–]altxatu 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't disagree. To be fair he's probably using easily available numbers. To really get into each variable, would be incredibly time consuming, and it would still depend on a lot of guesswork. Who knows how many people saw it on Facebook or Reddit.

I think for the sake of argument his math is good enough. However I wouldn't say it's accurate.

[–]InspectorMendel 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, you could knock a zero or two off of his final number and his argument would still stand.

[–]ExtremelyFrosty 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think you'd have to knock anything off considering like the post says Facebook, Reddit, and other sites aren't considered. Reddit has a HUGE audience that doesn't vote, but just looks at content. These two sites definitely have more traffic than twitter.

[–]Anyosae 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, you don't realise how much traffic goes through even the smaller subs until you post your own imgur links and look at the stats.(not forgetting that reddit has the 9th place in Alexa's global website ranking)

[–]utilitybread 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It just occurred to me that I have never upvoted an actual reddit post before that i can remember...

I vote on comments, but never on the post itself. How have I never realized this before?

[–]FarleyFinster 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bingo! Even if it's off by a full order of magnitude, the guy would still have "delivered [$5700] worth of fuck you to the AT&T store..." for an outlay of around $7. And that's the point.

[–]hivelyj6 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As long as it's within the order of magnitude. Am I right?

[–]altxatu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess that depends what it is. In this case...probably not out of reach.

[–]Alchofaifa 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Since my mother language isnt english, whats the difference between median and average?

[–]InspectorMendel 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Let's say you have a group of numbers, for example [1 2 2 3 4 5 6 100 1000]

The average is the sum of all numbers, divided by how many numbers there are. In this case there are 9 numbers and their sum is 1123, so the average is 1123/9 = 124.78.

In this case the average seems like a pretty bad way to think about the group of numbers, though, since all but one of the numbers are smaller.

The median is a number that is bigger than half the numbers and smaller than half the numbers. In this case, 4.

[–]docarrol 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And the mode is the number that appears most frequently in the group of numbers. In this case, 2 appears twice, so the mode for this group is 2.

I remember learning about the differences between the mean (aka the average), the median, and the mode in high school, and I'm still not sure what in kinds of situations it's every really useful. Guess I should have taken more statistics in college.

[–]InspectorMendel 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the mode is mostly useful when you're dealing with things other than numbers. Like, if you asked people what music they liked, and you got [rock rock rock hip-hop hip-hop classical]. You can't calculate an average or median, but at least you can say that rock is the most popular.

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        [–]Shatrick 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        And also assumes that every person who would see this lives in that same area and would use that specific store in that mall

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          [–]Kahnonymous 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          Also, I think the median, not the average would be more applicable since celebrity twitter accounts are going to greatly skew the mean.

          [–]mfb-12✓ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (11子コメント)

          And how many of them are in the target group, which means potential customers of the AT&T in Auburn?

          You get a few dollars for 1000 impressions if most of the viewers are your target group - which means advertisements are rarely done for a shop in some specific town, unless the advertiser can tell you are in this specific town. Most of the people who saw this image will never visit Auburn.

          [–]scribens 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          I'm pretty sure the guy Googled "social media advertising," latched onto the first term he found (CPM), then did a second Google search that said "how much to get 1,000 impressions CPM," realized that was pretty inconclusive, and also decided to "round down."

          CPM wildly varies depending on the market you are targeting, the area you are targeting, and the audience you are targeting. This isn't even taking into consideration the relevance to what you are trying to selling, your brand awareness, and whether you are even using the right ad to reach your target audience. And as marketers, we also know CPM and views are just some of the variables in the equation, it does not tell us the success to the campaign. So let's say for the sake of the argument, 8.1m actually did see this image. Great. Now what? Was there a redirect to actually provide context? Was there a call to action? Did anyone do anything more than just Like and Retweet the post/tweet?

          If the person's attempt was to get people upset about the AT&T retailer at the Auburn Outlet Mall, it failed. Google reviews has them at 6 reviews at a 3.7, 4 of which were from the last week (one of which seems to be a joke review). The AT&T Twitter account never had to deal with this as its activity shows in the past week it had no issues relating to this image. There are a total of ZERO news stories related to this image.

          In conclusion: this was a failed campaign.

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            [–]Lasshandra 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Also, some Twitter users don't read all the posts.

            [–]bipocni 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Fun fact: it's statistically more likely that your friends have more friends than you do.

            It's the same math you were just using with overlapping twitter followers.

            [–]BedWedOrBehead 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            You're comparing it to other forms of advertising where the majority also don't see it and there is substantial repeat/overlap.

            [–]Bypassing_ban 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Doesn't matter. If you see the same commercial twice that's two impressions.

            [–]Nephus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            He also didn't account for the fact that a lot of the retweeters and their followers likely live nowhere near Auburn Outlet Mall. Still, it hurts AT&T all the same.

            [–]JoseHuelto 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Came here to say exactly this

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              [–][deleted] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yea but reading it and giving a shit are two different things

              [–]camfa 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              He has been exposed to millions of people. A couple thousand aren't going to make a difference, we can chalk this up in the error margin.

              [–]captnyoss 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I disagree. Most of the millions of people who saw this around the world would never go anywhere near the Auburn AT&T regardless of what his sign said.

              But a much much higher percentage of people who see it in real life may do, so those views are vastly more valuable than the online ones.

              [–]4d2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I wonder what effect a meme has when it comes back to the person that started it. Eventually people are going to see this and give the guy a shout out only because they saw it on social media. From that perspective it could work to enhance the local effect indirectly.

              point being /u/zombieinferno

              [–]thebestnewbie 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              you get sick CPM on the road too. I bet he made his money back in no time!

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                [–]zombieinferno 962 ポイント963 ポイント  (58子コメント)

                Um. This is from my hometown. That Outlet Mall (formerly called the Super Mall) is a shit show that decimated our downtown economics.

                Good for him. Fuck that place.

                [–]provokedcarp 268 ポイント269 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                The story of America.

                [–]zombieinferno 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                No kidding. Replace great businesses with thrift stores and shady bars.

                [–]myne 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                It's called a 'service economy'.

                In layman's terms, the entire country forms a big circle, reaches to the right, and tugs.

                [–]itspl33 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Ahhh, the good ol' American circle jerk.

                [–]myne 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I guess the main reason I like that analogy over others is that it encapsulates the fact that:

                In a service economy, for the most part people aren't actually doing anything new or specialised, or, in fact, better than they could probably do themselves - if they weren't also spending most of their time dealing with wankers.

                [–]pm_pics_of_bob_saget 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                This is such a wonderful description. Thank you for bringing this into my life.

                [–]redmercurysalesman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Seize the means of reproduction

                [–]ServalSpots 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                Thrift stores (second hand stores, charity shops, whatever you want to call them) are some of the better businesses in my opinion. They facilitate more efficient use of our resources while generally using their 'profits' to help some disadvantaged group. What great businesses do you see them replacing?

                [–]Thisismy170thaccount 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                That's what I'm saying, thrift shops were my childhood. couldn't always afford or really need new when used is fine.

                [–]rivermandan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savers

                basically all the thrift stores around here are owned by this giant cunt of a company that fucking mcdonalds puts to shame in terms of charitable expenditures. it's a for profit shit show that, in my eyes, rivals walmart for being a shitty company.

                [–]ServalSpots 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                Places like Savers and Goodwill and other for-profit thrift stores aren't great, but they aren't any worse than any number of for profit companies of their size. (Yes, some for-profit thrift stores are small family owned businesses) At least items are being resold instead of land-filled and remade.

                You seem to have some rather harsh feelings about this company. It would be rather impressive if they could rival the likes of WalMart in terms of shady practices, though.

                [–]chuckgnomington[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I used to do social media work for Goodwill. They're definitely "one of the good ones". They actually are a non-profit and use their excess money on job training/placement for the underprivileged.

                [–]ServalSpots 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Looking into it further I was misinformed by articles that seem largely based on this. Thank you very much for setting me straight, and prompting me to do some more research!

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                    [–]Idhrenion2 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Muureecaaa

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                        [–]Professor_Plop 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        I always think of Auburn, CA.

                        [–]VikaWiklet 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Auburn, Massachusetts is my default. Who knew there were so many...

                        [–]zombieinferno 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Actually Auburn WA is re-named after that one.

                        The original name was Slaughter, WA.

                        Seriously.

                        [–]PM_ME_YOUR_UNIFORMS 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I saw this and immediately recognized it from my hometown. I would 1. Agree that the super mall is fucking awful and 2. Agree to say fuck you to AT&T

                        [–]784670 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        I never understood the practice of writing "Um." or "Uh." at the start of a comment

                        [–]Jigenjahosaphat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        Who cares? Stop being pedantic.

                        [–]784670 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        It's not about grammar, it's that somehow it gives off this really insufferable tone

                        [–]Iwouldlikesomecoffee 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I always read it to mean, "obviously you haven't thought about this enough, so I'll volunteer the following." It seems out of place here.

                        [–]user_82650 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        This post made me think. Advertising is a very, very valuable thing. Companies pay tens of thousands just to have people see their logo.

                        Most people have cars. The combined "advertising space" of all those cars is probably as big as TV or web advertising. If we all started writing simple messages like "AT&T are scammers", "Never buy AT&T", it could generate serious losses.

                        [–]Gannett2014 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        If that became a thing, you can be sure that people corporations would lobby for enhanced libel laws to prevent people from displaying defamatory statements in public. How they'd enforce it is another matter.

                        [–]leetdood_shadowban2 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        People already hate AT&T though. What if it's a company people love? Imagine being the guy putting "Never Buy Apple" on your car.

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                          [–]lets_go_pens 465 ポイント466 ポイント  (94子コメント)

                          Damn, just realized that it's gypped because of gypsies and not jipped.

                          [–]chief_keeeith 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                          This whole life is a lie man.

                          [–]BigPoopBreakfast 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                          You have been saying racist shit this whole time, and you didn't even know it!

                          [–]AnimalFarmPig 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                          It's not racist to associate gypsies with theft and underhanded dealing! That's just how they are!

                          Source: /r/Europe

                          /s

                          [–]slimyprincelimey 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                          Have you been to Europe? That is indeed how they are.

                          [–]sadeofdarkness 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                          not all of them, but the sterotype hasn't exactly been pulled out of thin air.

                          [–]slimyprincelimey 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                          No, no not all of them. Not all Italians love raviolis, but I sure do.

                          [–]thrilldigger 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          Not all Italians love raviolis

                          Which is a pretty harmless stereotype. A better comparison would be "not all Italians are mobsters".

                          Imagine being turned down for employment because a potential employer found out you're Italian and they're worried you might be a mobster.

                          [–]slimyprincelimey 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          The whole mobster stereotype is alive and well, and fairly widely accepted.

                          [–]thrilldigger 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Where? I've literally never heard someone indicate that someone might be a mobster because they're Italian.

                          [–]IUsedToBeGoodAtThis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          This is why the "Only non-whites understand racism" meme is stupid as shit.

                          Basically everyone but the English, in the US, had a pretty rough time getting established in the States.

                          [–]poor_decisions 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          No stereotypes are pulled from thin air. Not that it makes it less racist or distasteful.

                          [–]BroodingBork[🍰] 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          See guys, my racism is okay.

                          [–]Grave_Salad 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (43子コメント)

                          It's times like these I realize how many slang words I've never tried to type so I have never thought how it would be spelt.

                          [–]Mighty_ShoePrint 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (39子コメント)

                          I don't know if it's a common phrase (I live in the northeast part of the US) but my parents used to say "Hold your cotton picking horses." when I was being impatient about something. I've never actually gave the line much thought and I don't think my parents ever did either. One day my friend, who happened to be black, was rushing me about something and I said "will you hold your cotton picking horses?!" and he asked me what that was suposed to mean. Only then did I realize the racist connotations (is that the correct usage of that word?) that phrase had. I have since stopped using that phrase.

                          Edit: added the line about being in the northeast US

                          [–]lostmoonboots 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          Huh, never in my life have I heard the "cotton picking" thrown in that phrase. I would have asked you wtf you meant too lol

                          [–]Mighty_ShoePrint 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          I've heard other people in my town say it. I don't really understand why the horses are picking cotton. They don't seem very well equipped for the job.

                          [–]doobied 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          It doesn't mean cotton picking in the literal sense I think..? My parents say "hold your god damn horses"

                          [–]frvwfr2 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Whaaat no way. That phrase makes so much more sense now that I don't need to go actually hold onto my horses!

                          [–]Sharknado_1 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I am from the South. Cotton Picking is a very common phrase/expression down here.

                          [–]themofc 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                          I'm old, so I know the phrases. Additonally, there is Hold on a cotton picking minute and Are you out of your cotton picking mind. A long time in our lexicon, most wouldn't give it a second thought. It's origins go waaay back.

                          [–]InspectorMendel 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                          But what does "cotton picking" mean in this context? Does it mean "bad", because black people pick cotton and black people are bad?

                          [–]PPvsFC_ 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                          No. It's just a way to say the curse word "damn" without saying damn.

                          More than other curse words, people a generation or so back would try to find replacement words for damn so they didn't have to take the "Lord's name in vain."

                          EDIT: And lots of people picked cotton in the South not too long ago. It is a shitty job and generally has negative connotations apart from slavery.

                          [–]auntie-matter1✓ 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          btw, that sort of form of swearing is called a minced curse or oath, which I find a particularly pleasing description.

                          [–]vulverine 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          In the English language, nearly all profanities have minced variants.

                          makes it sound like a salad

                          [–]altxatu 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          To support this I once read that Deadwood's writers were going to use actual slang/curse words from that time period but it ended up sounding like Yosemite Sam and they couldn't take it seriously.

                          [–]PM_ME_UR_LIPZ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          My white grandpa picked cotton when he was like 15 for something like a nickel an hour.

                          [–]themofc 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I did reply through my email. I guess it didn't make it. It's a measure of time. I reckon when picking cotton, the minutes are long. Someone is telling you to wait for that length of time.

                          [–]PPvsFC_ 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          The "cotton picking" part of that was just a placeholder so they didn't say damn. It's not a real part of "hold your damned horses." They mashed together two idioms.

                          [–]maxbastard 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Unrelated anecdote: my grandmother used to tell stories about picking cotton when she was young. As the railroad overtook the riverboats, they no longer had to stay near the river to bring the cotton to market. The whole family took a horse cart to West Texas.

                          [–]gkkk04 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                          Unrelated to OP, but related to your comment: I grew up hearing a phrase "something something (like, I haven't seen you) in a coon's age" which I always thought meant raccoon (having grown up in the country). It wasn't until I used it in a post on an old email listserve and was called out for it I found out it's actually very racist, referring to a black man. Ugh! Also never used again.

                          [–]fionnuisce 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          My aunt sometimes uses the phrase, "...a nigger in the woodpile" which is synonymous with, "...a spanner in the works". Lots of casual racism.

                          [–]altxatu 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          The funny thing is the racist connotations have for a fair bit of people been forgotten. It raises an interesting question for me, if the user isn't aware of the racist connotations, means no racism, and is otherwise not associated with racism, if the racist use of the phrase has fallen out of fashion, and most people are unaware of its racist connotations, is the phrase racist or is it just old fashioned? At what point would it stop being racist? Can it stop being racist?

                          [–]redmercurysalesman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          A little while ago I was rewatching a cartoon that I enjoyed in my childhood. I was watching an episode from 1997 which included the phrase "If we don't turn this plane around right now, we're going to crash into the twin towers!" I think intent has very little to do with how appropriate something is to say, it's the person hearing it that determines what it means to them.

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                            [–]mechanicalkeyboarder 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            It actually originated as an innocent saying referring to raccoons, and I know a lot of folks that still use the term innocently, just as you did.

                            Unfortunately, the word "coon" started being used as a racist term, and as a result the saying can be perceived (or used) as a racist one.

                            [–]phil_from-Maine 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            First of all, I am from Auburn Maine and I think the sign on the truck is hysterical. Second, I used to use the term coon's age until I too said it in front of black man and got "the look". I quickly explained my interpretation of the reference and that is was NOT a racist statement. He didn't buy it. I stopped saying it. Third, as my first time on this medium I am amazed by the fact that this thread has even been generated over a sign on a truck, and, that there are so many deep thoughts coming from what appears to be intelligent people. Good on ya!

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                              [–]TotalWalrus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Same line used in lower Ontario in the 90's for me. It's not a racist slang at all as it doesn't even mention humans and white people also picked cotton.

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                                [–]YouAndMeToo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                Most of us aren't related to plantation owners

                                and those who are, are just as likely to be POC as they are white

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                                  [–]YouAndMeToo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Which was entirely my point

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                                      [–]Stormygeddon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I'll provide an example I remember: Hooligan was a term originating with referring to (drunk) Irish.

                                      [–]rideyourownride2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Only recently learned - slang is slang for slang. Shortened language.

                                      [–]I_ate_a_milkshake 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      i always figured it was 'street language'

                                      [–]MerkinInACoalMine 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      Also racist: 'heebie jeebies.'

                                      [–]Punchee 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      Explain this one?

                                      [–]MerkinInACoalMine 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      'Heeb' and by extension 'Heebie' are derogatory terms for Jews.

                                      [–]thrilldigger 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Sauce? Wikipedia doesn't mention that. This discussion thread on Snopes has some good arguments for it not being related to the ethnic slur 'hebe', most notably this Word Detective article.

                                      [–]MerkinInACoalMine 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      To be perfectly honest, I was told by a Jewish guy, and I took his word for it. It made sense, and he viewed it as a slur, although he wasn't mad at me since I didn't know.

                                      [–]LoveAndDoubt 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      tricked by the jews again

                                      [–]InspectorMendel 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Yep, secretly racist :(

                                      [–]justinsayin 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                      And now you just realized that for anyone who identifies as an ethnic gypsy, you've done a racial slur when you use "gypped" in a negative way.

                                      [–]WaitForItTheMongols1✓ 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                      Is it still a slur if its use has mutated enough over time to the point that people don't even know it's a slur?

                                      Compare to "idiot" and "moron", which are now casual insulting terms but were once actual precise psychological classifications which were then used slurrishly until now having their origins stripped away and becoming normal words.

                                      [–]JohnP93 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                      But people do know it's a slur, as evidenced by this thread.

                                      [–]WaitForItTheMongols1✓ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                      Right like, obviously the knowledge exists when you look at the total combined human consciousness. But we can clearly see that many people DON'T know the phrase's origins.

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                                          [–]leetdood_shadowban2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Worst part for me is I learned it from archie comics so for a long time I didn't realize it was a slur. It's still hard to believe.

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                                            [–]baboytalaga 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                            It's crazy how so many people aren't taught to think things through, more than just the primary actors or three, four+ steps down the line. Even when things don't go further than this dude only informing his immediate area, you still have to check what could be happening in that situation to discount it.

                                            I can remember when I would regularly think like blue person; I still do it, but I'm trying to think bigger picture.

                                            [–]chuckgnomington[S] 157 ポイント158 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                            Blue's reply was, "I'm glad you cared enough about what I said to waste that much of your life to write a giant paragraph that I'm not going to read" so yeah, guess it is a pattern.

                                            [–]baboytalaga 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                            wow

                                            The cognitive dissonance is strong. That would just really bother me to no end, until I had to either change my attitude or think about it somewhat.

                                            [–]ayywumao 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            In a lazy persons mind any effort at all must be indicative of caring to much and is just a waste.

                                            [–]LK_LK 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Except we all know he definitely read it and he definitely felt insecure about his original comment. Insecure enough to post a bad insult to make himself feel like he somehow won in this exchange. I bet if you go through his comments, you'll find a goldmine for r/iamverysmart.

                                            [–]Chrosss 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Nah i know people dumb enough and lazy enough to not read that shit.

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                                                [–]Lumenis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I consider myself a pretty regular guy, maybe a bit more curious than the average. When someone takes time to reply to something I said, I at least read it. Even if I don't agree, even if it appears complete nonsense to me, or whatever. I read it, and make up my mind. Isn't it just... common sense? Basic courtesy? How can you intervene in a discussion, whether it's online or not, and not expect people to answer to you?

                                                [–]the_peanut_gallery 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Blue literally went out of his way and spent extra effort to look extra petty and stupid. What a wasteful human being <insert laugh-crying cat face emoji>

                                                Edit: I'm mocking him, but it doesn't really seem fair. Kinda just feel pity.

                                                [–]Lanre_The_Chandrian 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Well at least blue person is qualified to become POTUS

                                                [–]YouAndMeToo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I didn't even need to know the math to know this sticker is effective. Word of mouth can KILL a local business in apparently no time at all.

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                                                  [–]uniqueusername831 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                  AT&T has an outrageous billing system/department. I'm not surprised this guy got burned

                                                  [–]Gannett2014 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                  If someone were to ask me for the definition of 'kafkaesque' I would respond 'AT&T customer service'!

                                                  [–]Cleversaur 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                  Okay.. but how did they steal $685 from him lol

                                                  [–]whistlar 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  You ever see Ocean's Eleven? The part where all of our main characters form an intricate plan with foils and pitfalls and backups and all that? You watch it unfold and Andy Garcia thinks he's figured it out, only to be fooled completely by what should have been obvious the whole time? Meanwhile, George Clooney french kisses Brad Pitt and they all drive off into the desert to have an orgy on top of that massive pile of loot they stole?

                                                  Yeah, nothing like that. Except the orgy. There's always an orgy.

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                                                    [–]Bob_Bradshaw 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                    There are a couple of mistakes , or false assumptions in his calculations though.

                                                    First off: Even if the average number of followers is 450 and he rounds it down to 300, I find it hard to believe that 300 people would actually see the retweet. Expecially if you consider that there is some overlap between those followers. Let's for simplicity sake round the number down to 100 unique people read it for each retweet.

                                                    Secondly: this source claims that the average CPM for a Youtube video is 7.6$, that still isn't realistic. Those ads shown in a YouTube video is both more intrusive than an image in a twitter stream, and more targetted. This source says that the average cpm for display ads is 1.26$, but that most fall in 0.8-0.2$ area. So I think it is safe to assume that this would fall in the sub 1$ dollar area. Let's go with 0.5$ CPM.

                                                    That means (27000 retweets*100 views *0.5$CPM )/1000=1350$ Which is a pretty far way of his 56.7k$ This ofc does not include reddit or other articles, but still.

                                                    Thirdly: These calculations are kinda irrelevant anyways, since this message is only relevant for people living in this city. I live in Norway. I am never going to visit this town, or shop at the mall. This is probably true for 99% of everyone who saw the ad.

                                                    [–]Intrinsically1 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    I get the impression you've maybe managed an Adwords account or two.

                                                    [–]bwells626 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Thirdly: These calculations are kinda irrelevant anyways, since this message is only relevant for people living in this city. I live in Norway. I am never going to visit this town, or shop at the mall. This is probably true for 99% of everyone who saw the ad.

                                                    Yep, it doesn't matter if you did 100 thousand dollars of "fuck you" damage by this guy's math, most people that would see it don't even live in the same country as this store and more still don't even live in the state. Lets assume something as favorable as people in the US made up half the people that saw this post. And each state saw the post proportional to its population.

                                                    We can just take the number that the fb post came up with of $57k, divide it in half, then multiply by population of alabama over the population of the US. I get $431, he didn't even fuck them over for what he got charged.

                                                    Maybe it was more prominently displayed in alabama like making the news there or something. So the exposure is like 5-10x greater than a uniform distribution, that still puts us in the $2-4.5k range (and this is with assuming you could charge youtube ad money for this)

                                                    [–]chuckgnomington[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    True! I was basing it off AdWords numbers I found from a quick google search. Twitter ads don't sell based on impressions, engagements only, so the whole calculation is flawed from the gate. But even $1350 worth of impressions is a high return for a $7 investment.

                                                    [–]Noonsa 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    I think even 100 unique viewers for every retweet is generous.

                                                    I'd assume that when you retweet, 1/3 or less of your followers would end up viewing that tweet (discounting people who are inactive, or who just didn't check that day) - that already sets us at 100.

                                                    Then, we're assuming that everybody has completely unique friends who don't overlap at all. Friendships are based around circles/groups, so it wouldn't be a different 100 people every time it was retweeted.

                                                    [–]Bob_Bradshaw 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I partly agree. I am not much of a Twitter person, but I don't think I would have retweeted a a tweet if I knew most of my friends were also friends with the person who retweeted it in the first place.

                                                    But yeah, you are probably right about the part where even 100 is a bit of an overestimation.

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                                                      [–]jon_browne 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                      They should bulldoze that "mall"

                                                      [–]zombieinferno 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                      Auburn should be so lucky.

                                                      Keep the Red Robin out front though. I like RR burgers.

                                                      [–]Noelwiz 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      Red Robin is great

                                                      [–]MisterD00d 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                      I take it all your good local burger places have closed? It's just a chain; nothing like a mom and pop shop

                                                      [–]zombieinferno 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                      We used to have this place called Big Daddy's across town. True drive-in style, intercom ordering while you eat I your car. The burgers were about 5" across and absolutely one of the best burgers I've ever had. I've been going there since the 80s. It closed in 2015 and they bulldozed the property, removing its giant iconic barrel & burger cook sign last year.

                                                      So yeah. We have fast food crap in town now.

                                                      [–]ToFurkie 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Honestly, revenge can cost anything

                                                      The satisfaction comes from making it cost the target ∞ + 1

                                                      [–]the_peanut_gallery 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Yellow double-counted since some of the retweeters would share followers.

                                                      [–]Mindset_ 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      His math doesn't work. You can't assume that because it was retweeted 27k times that each user's 300 followers are all unique and ALL 81,000 (if they were unique) saw it. I know it's nitpicky, and plenty of users would have more than 300 followers, but he way oversimplified that.

                                                      [–]FuckTwoXandAww 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      its not nitpicky, this is /r/theydidthemath. using accurate figures is really fucking important with math.

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                                                        [–]JayKetchman 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        I just want to know how they screwed him out of his money.

                                                        [–]06EXTN 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        I've spent way more than $7 to deliver a fuck you to someone.

                                                        Never underestimate how little someone's money is worth to them to see it get hand delivered from the backseat of a limo while the county servant hunts you down at work and makes you come out front and sign a paper saying you received said envelope full of penis shaped glitter.

                                                        [–]munky82 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Okay, as a South African I know not to use the AT&T at The Auburn Outlet.

                                                        [–]TurdFerguson416 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        "that's $57k worth of fuck you"

                                                        So perfectly put. Lol

                                                        [–]theantagonists 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Maybe the guy owns a graphics company and it cost him pennies.

                                                        [–]recklessrider 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                        But now I wanna know how they stole money from him

                                                        [–]MiyegomboBayartsogt 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                        If you were an ATT customer you'd not need to ask. ATT steals. It's part of their corporate culture.

                                                        [–]recklessrider 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                        Yeah but specifically what here? Also Sprint is no better, they tried to charge me a fee to stop me from going over my minutes and being charged a fee ... on my unlimited plan

                                                        [–]MiyegomboBayartsogt 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        I get the truck driver's anger.

                                                        ATT was my provider for several years for an IPad with funds removed every month from my bank. The IPad tied to the service eventually died. I called and cancelled service.

                                                        ATT restarted said service. ATT billed me and charged me late fees. I called, I cancelled. More billing came back at me, with vengeful charges. I called again and was told I had to go to the ATT store to cancel in person. The store manager cancelled it in front of me and confirmed it was cancelled.

                                                        More bills came, more late fees. Newly added services were charged. After the fifth or sixth call I began by telling the customer service representative to first read the account notes.

                                                        Each cancellation was noted and dated. Steps necessary to terminate were apparently properly done to terminate service. No one could explain how the account kept coming back to life and billing me. It just did.

                                                        [–]JellybeanEyes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Damnit that's irritating. Here's an upvote, not that it helps but it's all I've got.

                                                        [–]recklessrider 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Sounds like some Wells Fargo shit

                                                        [–]CriminalMacabre 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        FU ROI

                                                        [–]MaybeItsJustMike 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        BUT HOW DID THEY STEAL FROM HIM?!?! NO ONE IS ANSWERING THE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS!! I saw this posted more than a few tomes and could never figure it out.

                                                        [–]Astramancer_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        Pure conjecture: Since he's calling out a specific location rather than the company in general, it's likely due to hardware rather than service. Based on the amount, it's probably a smartphone.

                                                        The most likely scenarios I can think of for a "theft" of $685 in relation to a physical smartphone is either he bought one and it was broken out of the box and they refused to replace it, or they tricked him into buying a phone that was incompatible with his plan/area (for example: suckering him in with promises of 4G data in an area with spotty edge coverage, or maybe he's just in a dead zone at home and work) and they refused to let him return the phone. Or maybe he had a phone under warranty/with insurance and they refused to honor it, that requiring him to buy a new phone that he feels he shouldn't have had to.

                                                        [–]poo-poo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Yeah, honestly having known people in the past, I'm guessing if he went to a different AT&T location he would have gotten it taken care of and not lost $685 in value.

                                                        [–]ThotMobile 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                        Cpm is useless for an account that isn't monetized

                                                        [–]lastrideelhs 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        But when its being used as a form of advertisement, who cares?

                                                        He's reached countless people with this sticker on the back of his truck only to get his message out. If he's convinced at least one person to not shop at that specific AT&T store he's considered successful.

                                                        [–]no_id_ 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        if he cost them even one customer for those 7$ he spent, then he technically won

                                                        [–]JellybeanEyes 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Fuck it I'm not going there ever now.

                                                        [–]Never_wrong_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                        I just found the guys review on google for at&t at the auburn mall in Seattle But who knows maybe it's not really him. Ive never heard of Pants as a last name

                                                        [–]GroovingPict 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        They wildly overestimated the number of twats (thats the collective noun for twitter users isnt it?) that saw it. Even if their assumptions are correct, not all of those 8 million people will be unique (i.e. a lot f people follow a lot of the same people).

                                                        [–]-AbradolfLincler- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        I live in auburn and this is fucking great

                                                        [–]TheBlankVerseKit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Yeah, I mean you're probably double/triple/quadruple-counting (etc.) a lot of twitter followers if you think that's been seen by 8.1 Million people based on 27k retweets.

                                                        [–]cubs1917 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Those are some low programmatic cpms. I approve.

                                                        [–]Spacetard5000 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        Guy with a plotter and spare vinyl this costs almost nothing.

                                                        [–]tequila_mockingbirds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Or a Cameo silhouette around. I have a craft machine that cuts paper, fabric and... vinyl. I'd have this done in a heartbeat.

                                                        [–]roostershoes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        But really being generous with the avg Twitter followers.... I have like 7

                                                        [–]I_am_Mr_Chips 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        r/theydidthemath

                                                        [–]Noshamina 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Hooooooooly shit that was a good read

                                                        [–]FiskFisk33 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        This guy has some serious fucks to give!

                                                        [–]rambo8715 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Just no

                                                        [–]Jako87 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        That calculation is unnecessary. This is not about the money this is about justice.

                                                        [–]athrowa3aJ3fjai3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        It appears in this case justice can be measured in the amount of money lost by the business

                                                        [–]PhoeniX_XVIII 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        DAMNIT

                                                        I WANNA ASK

                                                        [–]lurker4lyfe6969 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        They do this in the South a lot, I saw two cars with text on their back window about how a car dealership gave them a bad deal when I went to Costco.

                                                        [–]FrostySpoons 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        $5-7? Wow he is not getting a good price on cpms.

                                                        [–]JOHN_FUCKING_TITOR 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Thought this sub was dead. Glad it isn't!

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