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White St. Louis police officer shoots off-duty black officer (cbsnews.com)

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[–]ItRead18544920 4167 ポイント4168 ポイント  (37子コメント)

Luckily he survived.

[–]ChowMayne 806 ポイント807 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Suddenly, The Wire.

[–]jastermareel17 246 ポイント247 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Fuckin Prez.....

[–]Wu-Tang_Cam 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had to scroll this far down for this?!?

[–]traceitalian 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Failure to identify as a police officer.

[–]neubourn 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Somthing ive been guilty of my whole life"

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    [–]aMusicLover 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiit.

    [–]CardassianNeckTrick 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Maybe this cop will become a math teacher who makes a difference in another way.

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      [–]LookforthebigX 1556 ポイント1557 ポイント  (73子コメント)

      Two officers "challenged the off-duty officer and ordered him to the ground," the department said. The officer complied and once they recognized him the on-duty officers told him "to stand up and walk toward them."

      You actually have to assume the officer's gun was holstered after he was told to stand up, no reason he would have it out. the other cop didnt arrive to "black guy with gun in hand" he arrived to "black guy walking towards other cops"

      [–]mynameisblanked 718 ポイント719 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      36 years old with over eight years of service

      Just a rookie mistake guys, nothing to see here.

      [–]LionIV 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Damn, as a rookie, when I make mistakes at work, I short change the customer or the cash drawer. Cops, you can just straight up shoot someone with minimal repercussions it seems.

      [–]fortwent 983 ポイント984 ポイント  (46子コメント)

      Some of arguments in the comments here are defending the cop's actions because he arrived and saw a man with a gun and in the heat of having been in a gun fight, they made the decision to shoot.

      I don't think they actually read the article though. This comment needs to be higher up so they know that argument is invalid. The off-duty officer was walking toward the police as he had been instructed to do. He did not have his weapon drawn when he was shot.

      EDIT: The article doesn't state whether the off-duty officer had his weapon drawn, holstered, or had left it on the ground when he was walking toward the police. However, he was still doing as instructed, he was still innocent and an off-duty officer with full understanding and hands-on experience of procedures and violent police interactions in that exact same neighborhood. He was doing as instructed. If this man was shot, nobody is safe. I thought the same about Charles Kinsey, the behavioral therapist who was shot while on his back with his hands in the air. He had not committed any crimes. There are countless tragic examples. It's clear race is a factor. The statistics are there and the fact that so many people still try to justify each and every shooting and murder only further shows how racism is still a huge issue..

      [–]springwheat 525 ポイント526 ポイント  (20子コメント)

      It's baffling that the shooter could come across the scene and see two officers giving commands to a compliant suspect and insisted fear for his or her safety. Either St Louis cops are horribly trained or they're scraping the bottom of the barrel to fill the ranks. Either way that person has no business being a cop if their first reaction is to sit for fear if death.

      I'm sure a fellow officer will chime in that it's a dangerous profession, but it's also a volunteer one. If you're unable or unwilling to put your own safety at risk to protect others then maybe you should go do something else.

      [–]Thedirtyjersey 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      There's a strong reason why departments hire veterans as a priority. They are at least battle tested and generally that gate keeps people with at least the lack of temperament to handle these extremely difficult situations of restraint or tragedy.

      There are just a lot of well intentioned (sometimes otherwise) men that believe they need this type of career but have absolutely no business or the personality for it. Many simply have the fortune to avoid the situation that brings up one of their characteristics that makes them not quite suitable for this type of work. There needs to be more effective testing using better science to gate-keep applicants and retesting routinely.

      This is a civil service job, not combat despite a great deal of officers sinking into such thinking. Although even in combat a soldier communicates before approaching an area. The best show restraint and avoid escalation, for their own damn safety as well as others.

      In a situation like this it only takes one asshole that can't handle the adrenaline to ruin lives, including their own. There should be pre-training for about 2 weeks of what could go wrong, how cops have murdered accidentally etc etc before anyone is even accepted into an academy.

      It's perfectly understandable that some officers are fair weather officers that cannot handle the stresses to follow procedure, back away from escalation, wait for backup and call into a scene when they arrive later than others...

      This idiot could have easily shot a uniformed officer that happened to be in the shadows or some kid or god knows what. That's why you don't just run up to a scene with no communication from the officers already handling it...

      [–]70554w4y 100 ポイント101 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Maybe he smelled something suspicious and thought, 'This guys doing what I asked him to do doesn't give a shit about me or my life.'

      [–]Wheat_Grinder 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There was a kid several blocks away and this black officer was existing RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE KID.

      If the officer was going to do that to the kid, what would he do to the white officers?

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        [–]OniExpress 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Its because "fear for their safety" is the trump card for stupid actions, not because they actually felt that way. It's successfully been used as a defense time and time again, so is unlikely to fail as a legal defense without compelling evidence to the contrary (ie, evidence that actions were premeditated or clearly motivated by malice as opposed to fear).

        [–]immerc 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I wonder what it will eventually take for everyone to admit there's a problem?

        Legal black gun owner traveling with his family who informed the cops he had a gun shot by police? No problem.

        Off duty black cop shot by police? No problem.

        What's the next step? Off duty white cop in blackface makeup? Off duty white cop listening to rap when he's pulled over?

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          [–]Phylar 115 ポイント116 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Some of arguments in the comments here are defending the cop's actions because he arrived and saw a man with a gun and in the heat of having been in a gun fight, they made the decision to shoot.

          Look, I understand how difficult being an officer must be, and is, on a daily basis. My untrained self has never been in a gunfight. Their fully trained self has. I would expect me to act rashly in the aftermath, I expect them to act better. In a situation like this the officer is fully at fault for discharging their weapon and there really isn't any argument against the action itself. Pulling the trigger must come with consequences, regardless of what they may be.

          [–]RevRowGrow 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          In the military on a deployment if you went in and shot as freely as some officers that have been in the news you'd be in Leavenworth. And that's in an actual warzone.

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              [–]838h920 155 ポイント156 ポイント  (8子コメント)

              He's coming right at them!

              [–]DirtysMan 142 ポイント143 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              He was aggressively walking slowly!

              [–]son_of_noah 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              He put one foot in front of the other maliciously!

              [–]70554w4y 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              What kind of amoral monster doesn't bunny hop towards law enforcement? Smh

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                  [–]Anti-AliasingAlias 141 ポイント142 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  "If you don't want to get shot, then do what the cops tell you to do" - My parents whenever there's a story of someone getting shot by the cops

                  [–]smashybro 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  People who say that crap have no idea what so many minorities in this country have to deal with from the police. "Doing what the cop tells you to do" is only guaranteed to work if you're white.

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                      [–]NewVegasResident 2598 ポイント2599 ポイント  (339子コメント)

                      After an officer mistook him for a fleeing suspect

                      That's like the weirdest thing to me like... So if there's a suspect and he's running you just fucking shoot him ?

                      [–]zombie_girraffe 1774 ポイント1775 ポイント  (83子コメント)

                      If you read further down in the article, that explanation doesn't even make any sense. Apparently two uniformed cops confronted the off duty cop earlier and told him to get on the ground, which he complied with while identifying himself as an officer, then the cops told him to get back up and walk towards them. That's when a third uniformed cop showed up to the scene all "what are you wasting time trying to arrest this guy for? lets kill him and go home." and pulled the trigger.

                      [–]HighlylronicAcid 833 ポイント834 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                      Did they at least sprinkle some crack on him afterwards?

                      [–]schuma73 252 ポイント253 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      He was only shot in the arm.

                      But as a good buddy to the other 6 officers on the scene he sprinkled some crack on himself with his good arm.

                      [–]Chaskyy 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Eh, it makes no difference in the intention of the officer if he was shot in the arm. The vast majority of people can't shoot accurately enough under stress to intentionally hit there, let alone under normal circumstance. And cops are trained to only use firearms when they have intent to kill.

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                        [–]usuallyafakestory 203 ポイント204 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        That's a wrap, Johnson.

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                          [–]FatalisCogitationis 306 ポイント307 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                          Even our cops aren't safe from our cops

                          [–]LionIV 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          Charles Kinsey's case essentially made me believe that there is absolutely nothing you can do to prevent a cop from shooting you if you're black. The guy was LYING DOWN with his hands up, trying to calm down not only his patient, but also the cops by trying to tell them that they are not a threat. How much more compliant can you be without sucking the cops dick on command?

                          [–]stillusesAOL 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          That's why this will be so interesting as it plays... who's side are you on? The cop's? Or the cop's?

                          Honestly it would be more "interesting" (and tragic) if the guy had died - thankfully he didn't - but anyway, yeah.

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                            [–]Shojo_Tombo 180 ポイント181 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                            And I bet Shooty McTriggeritch rides a desk for a few weeks until everyone forgets how stupid he is and they put him right back on patrol.

                            [–]Ciphtise 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            That reminded me of the 90s post-blaxploitation classic Tales from the Hood

                            [–]Hammedic 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                            Full disclosure, I didn't read OPs article, but read one yesterday.

                            What's mind boggling is that the off duty officer is an 11 year veteran, while the officer who shot him has been employed in the same department for 8 years.

                            Could have been worse, but this is just nuts.

                            [–]crielan 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            This is what happens when the slow cop catches up to the others and takes the scene over.

                            [–]Jjmcgrayy 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Most of these shootings make no sense.

                            It's like police force us just handing guns to any retard these days.

                            • He's running away! Shoot him.

                            • He's walking towards us! Shoot him.

                            • he's sitting down and chatting! Kill the fucker.

                            • he told us he has a firearm and a license! Clearly he's trying to murder us!

                            • he is complying with our orders! Make him dead!

                            • He's at home minding his business... Knock on the door. Then shoot him!

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                              [–]NeuroticKnight 167 ポイント168 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                              Should the cop not be chasing them down instead, you are literally paid to be fit and active than rest of us.

                              [–]BindingArbitration 247 ポイント248 ポイント  (27子コメント)

                              Do you live in America? Because most of the cops here aren't in shape to even jog a half mile. I've seen the occasional fit cop but it's not like the military where you have a fitness test every year. You go through police academy once and take a test and then never again.

                              I think this is a huge problem, personally. If the cops weren't so outmatched physically by their suspects, maybe they wouldn't resort to gun violence so quickly.

                              [–]StuStutterKing 158 ポイント159 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                              Former underage stoner here. The cops caught us a few times, we literally just split into the woods.

                              The cops were out of breath within 5 minutes. We were cross country runners.

                              [–]bigmac22077 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              In high school we'd just run out into the golf course and lay down flat behind a bunker. We'd watch them give up so quick on chasing other kids. Was literally like mclovin in Superbad running down the street.

                              [–]MangoMiasma 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                              I barely go outside and I'm about 90% certain I can outrun most of the cops in my area. They're not a physically fit griup

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                                    [–]zeropointcorp 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Wasn't running; was walking slowly under commands from a couple of other cops.

                                    [–]theGurry 936 ポイント937 ポイント  (83子コメント)

                                    No. If the suspect is black, and you see a black man, you shoot him.

                                    [–]_YouDontKnowMe_ 233 ポイント234 ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                    That was one of the excuses the cop gave for killing Philando.

                                    There was a black suspect out there somewhere, so he shot brother man.

                                    [–]sdrawkcabdaertseb 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    A distinct case of calling in a BWB - Breathing while black.

                                    [–]Amish_guy_with_WiFi 352 ポイント353 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                    Even if the suspect isn't black, you still gotta shoot a black guy if you see one. C'mon man this is american policing 101.

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                                      [–]terry_shogun 318 ポイント319 ポイント  (67子コメント)

                                      This always weirds me out in movies, like Americans think it's ok to end someone's life for running away from a cop.

                                      [–]usuallyafakestory 376 ポイント377 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                      No we don't. American police on the otherhand sometime do.

                                      [–]Mikraphonechekka12 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Rule of thumb, if they are overweight don't run!!

                                      [–]MetalSeagull 189 ポイント190 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                      I have heard more than one idiot justify it with "he shouldn't have run, then."

                                      Let's say he did run from a cop. Is that punishable now with public execution without a trial?

                                      [–]_Enclose_ 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      You use a gun when someone threatens your life, a guy running away from you is the fucking polar opposite of a threat. There is almost no justification to ever shoot someone running from you, the police that do this are scum of the earth.

                                      [–]exileosi_ 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      In their minds yes, it is. They have the view that "anyone not guilty wouldn't run away from the cops".

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                                          [–]swr3212 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                          Which is odd because i specifically remember it being illegal to shoot a fleeing suspect unless they have a weapon.

                                          [–]UndisguisedAsianerin 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          This always weirds me out in movies, like Americans think it's ok to end someone's life for running away from a cop.

                                          Life in 'Murica is cheaper than a burger.

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                                            [–]pm_me_the_cakes 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Of course not! If there's a running suspect and he's black, you shoot him.

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                                              [–]FutureNostalgia2017 850 ポイント851 ポイント  (36子コメント)

                                              Not making light of the situation, but this was in an episode of Brooklyn Nine Nine like two months ago

                                              [–]Wu-Tang_Cam 512 ポイント513 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                              And an episode of The Wire more than 10 years ago

                                              [–]fuckspezintheass 170 ポイント171 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                              Fuckin Prez

                                              [–]ichabodcraneshead 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                              He was the nicest fuck up.

                                              [–]Wu-Tang_Cam 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                              He was brilliant with the paper trail. McNulty fucked him up with that impromptu response to a signal 13.

                                              [–]Sublimotion 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              And how he cracked the Barksdale crew code with the phone numbers by jumping over the "5"

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                                                [–]the_dive_dude 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                That's just crazy.

                                                I haven't even seen that episode and when I read this story I actually imagined a Brooklyn Nine Nine scenario.

                                                [–]goodhumansbad 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                I literally just watched this last night for the first time during a binge of Season 4 which I've been saving - first thing I thought of when I saw the title.

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                                                  [–]sloth104 2625 ポイント2626 ポイント  (782子コメント)

                                                  I am so glad I left St. Louis. Living where I am now there's only been 1 homicide in 5 years. Stl had like 7 last weekend.

                                                  [–]Hordon_Gayward 473 ポイント474 ポイント  (49子コメント)

                                                  Bet there's no toasted ravioli where you live now though

                                                  [–]-WhistleWhileYouLurk 1549 ポイント1550 ポイント  (678子コメント)

                                                  What struck me was the racism. It wasn't just pervasive, it was super fucking casual. Like racism was just common sense.

                                                  [–]PaperSkinMan 493 ポイント494 ポイント  (575子コメント)

                                                  Could you expand on this, please? The casualness of the racism?

                                                  [–]rdubzz 282 ポイント283 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                  my grandma loved to tell stories. she would tell stories about growing up, planting seeds in her familys victory garden, throwing rocks at niggers, how much she missed the old radio broadcasts etc.

                                                  not sure if you noticed, but one of those things was not like the others. my grandma didnt notice. casual racism is like that, where its not unusual or taboo, its not angry or bitter, its just the way it is.

                                                  [–]ZhouLe 129 ポイント130 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                  When my grandfather saw that me or my cousins had chocolate on our faces, because we were kids and were messy, he would jokingly ask us if we had been out kissing niggers.

                                                  Edit: Want to clarify. He lived in a town with a much higher than average black population, worked in a factory alongside minorities, and had a few black people he would call friends. He would not have thought his joke was racist. He wasn't a racist by standards circa 1970 or so, but by standards of 2017 he absolutely was. When I think of him, I have a lot of love for my grandfather, but I'm not sure what my opinion of him would be if he were still alive, especially since I am now in an interracial marriage.

                                                  [–]VagSlayer9000 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  especially since I am now in an interracial marriage.

                                                  So he was right? /s

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                                                      [–]hockeyplaya9810 1704 ポイント1705 ポイント  (495子コメント)

                                                      I grew up in the suburbs of St. Louis and a great example of it is just the migration of the white population throughout the last generations. The way it was described to me by my family (and it's openly discussed by most people who know the area) was that my grandparents grew up in Ferguson "until the blacks started moving in", then my father grew up in a city in North County "until the blacks moved in", and when I was a kid I remember the jokes my dad and several other families around the area we grew up in made that we might have to move soon because you start seeing more minorities moving in to "white" areas. It's openly accepted that the whites are running from having to live near minorities and that the minority groups are chasing better living conditions trying to move in to nicer areas, but really they are just dooming that area to be low-income in years following. It's incredibly fucked up, and my dad and people like him in the area will be the first ones to say "I'm not a racist person" anytime a discussion about race comes up. People there grow up in such an outwardly racist environment, they don't even realize how fucked up their views on other races are in the eyes of the rest of the country. It's just par for the course.

                                                      [–]Lostinstereo28 314 ポイント315 ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                      Sounds pretty normal to me, unfortunately. I grew up outside of Philly in the white middle class suburbs, so not St. Louis, but my childhood consisted of the subtle "So and so used to be so nice when I was younger." Then the inevitable quip about Chester, the poor and majority-black city next to us, and how they're "going to invade the white suburbs and turn us into Chester 2.0."

                                                      And, no fucking lie, every single year the white parents of my school district become absolutely hysterical when the annual "Chester High is closing and they're sending the kids to our schools" rumor starts going around. It always leads to petitions and transferring kids to private schools year after year.

                                                      I grew up all the same, but luckily I grew out of the racist mindset in like 9th grade thanks to the Internet and lady gaga

                                                      my dad and people like him in the area will be the first ones to say "I'm not a racist person"

                                                      I feel this on so many levels. My dad claims he isn't racist even after the time a lady got his taco bell order wrong in Virginia and he responds by telling me how "Blacks are inherently lazy and that's why they're poor. They want you and me dead." He also believes in the secret Jewish world order. Sigh.

                                                      He's a bonafide white supremacist and his son is gay and dating a black guy (aka the love of my life)

                                                      That must break his black, rotten, ice cold heart.

                                                      EDIT: Since this is getting so much karma here's a fun fact! I grew up two doors down from Jennifer Aniston! I mean I never got to meet her, but my grandmom was really really good friends with her grandmom and my mom went to school with her, so I'm basically her best friend. There was a huge block party when Friends premiered (or around that time, not sure) and I'm bitter as fuck that I wasn't alive yet to go.

                                                      [–]CloggedToilet 256 ポイント257 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      Well, there's your problem. He's got a black heart. Those are inherently lazy and poor quality. It wants him dead. It can't pump sufficient blood to his brain.

                                                      [–]TooHappyFappy 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      Also grew up outside Philly, also have racist parents who would argue all day that they aren't racist. The mental gymnastics would be impressive if it wasn't so sad.

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                                                        [–]drunkenknight9 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                        There's definitely this sort of attitude in other parts of the country as well. It's like black people are great individually or in small numbers but as soon as there's a whole community of them it's time to run. Everyone will tell you they have a black friend or two because obviously that makes it impossible for you to be racist. The reality is that they just want to stay away from larger groups where they suddenly feel outnumbered. It sounds terrible but it's also kind of natural. Why would you seek out to put yourself in the local minority when you could just as easily keep your distance and stay with your comfortable majority?

                                                        [–]The_Grubby_One 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        Everyone will tell you they have a black friend or two because obviously that makes it impossible for you to be racist.

                                                        I have no black friends outside of work. Of course, I have no white friends either.

                                                        I'm not a very social person.

                                                        [–]jrice39 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                        To be fair all group gatherings terrify the fuck out of me.

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                                                          [–]howsmyparenting 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                          We could've neighbors! Ferguson to Florissant to Thank God I don't live there anymore....

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                                                            [–]purplepenguin4163 103 ポイント104 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                            Chappelle said it best

                                                            [–]HANKHILL-AMA 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                            Man he is so funny. Can make a sensitive topic like racism into a complete joke without it being super try hardy and obvious

                                                            [–]PaperSkinMan 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            I was thinking of St Louis in particular but I hadn't seen this before so thanks.

                                                            [–]dei2anged 405 ポイント406 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                            I ran a business in a predominantly black area in North County st Louis. I would routinely have white parents ask me if it was safe for their white children.

                                                            Metro lines are more likely to go to white gentrified areas than the poorer communities that would make use of them.

                                                            Black students worry about their high schools losing accreditation.

                                                            Looking for an apartment? If your black you might be flat out told their aren't any available. Is that legal? No. Is it worth fighting so you can live in an area where people hate you? Also no.

                                                            I was also pulled over by county police in my shitty car more in north county than the whiter and more affluent west county. I'm Hispanic. Not black. But everyone, including officers, seemed to start the day in STL with the notion that someone black was going to really ask for it that day.

                                                            So pervasive, that affluent black people, or even black officers, will parrot racist arguments against black communities. It's gone on for so long, it gets instilled in generations of people.

                                                            Honestly, I was pretty ignorant of racism and how systemic it can be until I moved to st Louis. It was absolutely mind blowing.

                                                            I moved to a college town after a few years there, and although it's not as obviously racist as st louis, it helps me notice more subtle and casual racism. I wish everyone could have had that kind of eye opening experience.

                                                            [–]GhOsT_wRiTeR_XVI 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                            35 years living in STL...this guy is dead on!

                                                            If you really want to get a taste for racism in St. Louis, watch the documentary "Spanish Lake," or the BBC story The Divide

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                                                              [–]Natwoman 149 ポイント150 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                              I'm standing on the corner with my friend Ron who is black. I am white. People approach us and ask how they get to the arch because there's currently construction and the signs are confusing. Ron gives them directions.

                                                              Pause one beat- turn to me while giving him the side eye like he might have been lying to them or wrong and repeat their question.

                                                              I say "He just told you. Would you like him to restate it?"

                                                              They say no and hurry away from both of us to go ask another white person, walking past another Person of Color.

                                                              I wish I could say it was a one off, or irregular, but this shit happened daily in front of me.

                                                              [–]harlequinix 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              That kind of behavior is also very common with women. I've lost count of the amount of times I was with my ex in her parents' city, which I know fuck-all about, and someone would ask something, she'd answer, they'd look at me and I'd just stare at them.

                                                              [–]dei2anged 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              If they pull that again, send them to East across the river lol

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                                                                    [–]sirshiny 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                    People give rural towns a lot of crap because they aren't very progressive but it's great seeing familiar faces and a lot less crime.

                                                                    Well...until meth got popular but it's still pretty low.

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                                                                      [–]delete_this_post 374 ポイント375 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                      "Same team! Same team!

                                                                      ...Oh, what the fuck?"

                                                                      [–]AssPennies 451 ポイント452 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      Two of the three suspects in the stolen car chase were taken into custody and booked on $500,000 cash bond. One suspect is still at large.

                                                                      So you're saying there's a chance?! Book 'em, Danno.

                                                                      [–]xubax 926 ポイント927 ポイント  (57子コメント)

                                                                      When will the cop on cop violence end?

                                                                      [–]geeky_username 704 ポイント705 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                      Where's the moderate cops condemning this act of violence??

                                                                      [–]erizzluh 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      they gotta cross the blue line whichever way they go on this one.

                                                                      [–]Rottimer 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      I'm wondering why 7 cops were suspended even though I only count 4 in the incident, including 2 who did the right thing and the one who was shot.

                                                                      I'm guessing that some cops were looking to cover up the incident.

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                                                                        [–]Canadabestclay 164 ポイント165 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                        What about the droid attack on the Wookiee

                                                                        [–]Lord_Commisar_Byron 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                        Not Yet

                                                                        [–]theseconddennis 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                        We negotiate the terms of surrender

                                                                        [–]Canadabestclay 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                        Too late /r/prequelmemes has already won

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                                                                          [–]I_STAB_HIPSTER_FILTH 156 ポイント157 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Two officers "challenged the off-duty officer and ordered him to the ground," the department said. The officer complied and once they recognized him the on-duty officers told him "to stand up and walk toward them."

                                                                          Ok, understandable...

                                                                          At about the same time, another officer who had just arrived on the scene saw what was happening and "fearing for his safety and apparently not recognizing the off-duty officer, discharged a shot, striking the off-duty officer in the arm."

                                                                          Dude sees a black guy next to two cops and fires on sight. At least he was a shit shot, lol

                                                                          [–]nowforthetruthiness 199 ポイント200 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                          Whenever a cop shoots some black person, defenders always talk about how it must be because the person didn't act right. Apparently, even cops can't live up to the "acting right so cops don't shoot you" standards.

                                                                          Or its bullshit.

                                                                          [–]Captain_Arrrg 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          The cop did everything right, and was cleared by other two officers, just to have one idiot show up and shoot him because he "feared for his life."

                                                                          If being a police officer makes other police officers scared for thier lives, what hope do us regular people have?

                                                                          [–]netgear3700v2 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          I'm actually glad this happened. Maybe now that the victim is also a cop there will be a thorough investigation and some institutional changes will occur to prevent it happening to any more innocent civilians.

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                                                                            [–]SanshaXII 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            So the black off-duty officer had already been identified and recognized, and was walking with the two white cops, and a third showed up, took one look at the trio, and,

                                                                            "MUH SAFETY"

                                                                            blam

                                                                            wat. This is some Officer Barbrady level incompetence. How is this not objectively racially-induced panic? This is a perfect example of what everyone is complaining about.

                                                                            [–]AuroraUnit313 958 ポイント959 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                            Who the hell turned on friendly fire?

                                                                            [–]OKLAThunder714 1064 ポイント1065 ポイント  (87子コメント)

                                                                            Name another job in the world where you get paid vacation for shooting one of your co workers... then after paid vacation your back to your normal schedule with zero punishment.

                                                                            [–]MacGyverMacGuffin 2007 ポイント2008 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                                            Cinematographer

                                                                            [–]literallyHlTLER 111 ポイント112 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                            Porn actor.

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                                                                              [–]slurr 232 ポイント233 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                              When will a cop "fearing for his/her life" become a cliche and hollow excuse for shooting an innocent person?

                                                                              [–]Gasonfires 531 ポイント532 ポイント  (44子コメント)

                                                                              This is what we get when we hire fucking idiots with aggression disorders and inferiority issues and then hang badges and guns on them.

                                                                              [–]Actually_a_Patrick 173 ポイント174 ポイント  (40子コメント)

                                                                              Well it's either that or require degrees and pay them more

                                                                              [–]Gasonfires 256 ポイント257 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                              I know plenty of aggressive morons with college degrees. How about requiring a genuine personality assessment performed by an impartial evaluator?

                                                                              [–]HouseOfBounce 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                              Psych tests are given.

                                                                              STL is a high crime, low paying, hurting-for-recruits department. You wont be getting the best of the best in that scenario.

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                                                                                [–]Teufelsstern 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                Or just have them educated for longer?
                                                                                Cops in Germany have to go through three years of training - Versus how long in the States?

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                                                                                    [–]Thatmixedotaku 160 ポイント161 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                    What i often wonder about is how aggressively dismissive certain corners of the internet and groups of people are about the fact that black people go through this. Like it insults them to their core when you tell them about this sort of stuff

                                                                                    [–]Ketsuo 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                    LA LA LA I can't hear you what does race have to do with anything

                                                                                    [–]MetalSeagull 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    You're the racist for saying it was racist.

                                                                                    Uhh /s, just in case

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                                                                                        [–]bittersocialjustice1 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                        You would think the way cops talk about themselves after a shooting that they are the biggest pussies in the world.

                                                                                        "He was just standing there, menacingly! I feared for my life!"

                                                                                        [–]ElMatasiete7 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        The fuck is this, The Wire?

                                                                                        [–]dadtaxi 170 ポイント171 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                        It seems the new "afraid for their lives" is no longer " man with gun" but " man obeying police commands"

                                                                                        [–]EinsteinNeverWoreSox 272 ポイント273 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                                        Shit, the racism's so advanced that police are shooting themselves over it.

                                                                                        [–]Oraseus 174 ポイント175 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                        I'm waiting for the story where a black cop profiles and shoots himself next

                                                                                        [–]eyy093uvtn3igj304 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                        puts hand in pocket

                                                                                        Oh shit he's reaching for a gun!

                                                                                        draws weapon with other hand, empties mag into own torso.

                                                                                        reloads

                                                                                        empties second mag into own torso

                                                                                        dies

                                                                                        [–]EinsteinNeverWoreSox 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        "You see, I feared for my life, so I kept on shooting til I couldn't be afraid anymore"

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                                                                                            [–]DrPoopNstuff 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                            There's an awful lot of fearful cops on the beat, these days. Maybe they should get jobs that don't scare them so much?

                                                                                            [–]Ketsuo 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                            Maybe hire cops that aren't scared of black people.

                                                                                            [–]Iron-Lotus 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                            Obviously the black officer was not going to be shooting his coworker's, so I doubt he was taking an overly aggressive posture. Then he gets shot, by the police.

                                                                                            Do the police just chase suspects shooting everything in their path. Wtf St. Louis.

                                                                                            [–]Dinamo213 153 ポイント154 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                            Not even black cops are safe from police brutality.

                                                                                            [–]MrEmouse 172 ポイント173 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                                                            One person discharged their weapon, 7 cops taken off duty... Wtf

                                                                                            [–]ASK_IF_IM_PENGUIN 255 ポイント256 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                            Probably all of the officers on the scene whilst they corroborate exactly what happened.

                                                                                            [–]DenimPatriot 186 ポイント187 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            "Okay everyone, if you're asked, he was charging me and screaming with insane eyes."

                                                                                            "Bitch, what?! I'm right here mother fucker! Call an ambulance!"

                                                                                            [–]NoOneSeemsToMind 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                            Getting the story straight on this one is going to be a full time job.

                                                                                            [–]cavelioness 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                            It'll depend on which way the black cop rolls. Like is he friends with the dude that shot him, are his friends friends with him, how much does he buy in to the loyalty to fellow cops thing, etc.

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                                                                                              [–]CQMI 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                              For traumatic events it's not unusual to take officers on the scene off their daily duties until they have a little time to make sense of everything, finalize a statement, and get cleared that they're mentally ok to go back out.

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                                                                                                [–]Nutro_Squags_4_Prez 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                He'll probably be acquitted...

                                                                                                [–]mixmatch314 214 ポイント215 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                                Blue lives matter?

                                                                                                [–]shitty_shutterbug 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                Jesus Christ. I was in law enforcement years ago (and still have friends in law enforcement) and this just boggles my fucking mind. What kind of mentality do you have to have to just run up and shoot a person who is not actively endangering someone's life?

                                                                                                [–]dumbrich23 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                The type of mentality that you can cover it up if you're wrong

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                                                                                                  [–]Datathrash 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  "fearing for his life" There it is, the magic words!

                                                                                                  [–]torpedoguy 446 ポイント447 ポイント  (95子コメント)

                                                                                                  Always, always "fearing for their safety".

                                                                                                  So which is it this time? "Shoot a N***** first, pretend you were really really scared later"? Or simple cowardice?

                                                                                                  [–]kickababyv2 251 ポイント252 ポイント  (56子コメント)

                                                                                                  Following their instructions to the T is enough for them to "fear for their safety" and shoot you. Let that sink in.

                                                                                                  [–]girl_incognito 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  Sprinkle some crack on him and let's get outta here

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                                                                                                    [–]SnakeJG 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    Quick Johnson! sprinkle some crack on him and let's get out of here

                                                                                                    [–]Mejiax55 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    "Fearing for my safety, I shot another fellow officer because he was black "

                                                                                                    [–]CPower2012 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    It's like that episode of Brooklyn 99 where Terry gets arrested by a white officer while he's looking for his kid's toy.

                                                                                                    [–]uniqname99 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                    Tbh if black people riot at this point I can't even say shit.

                                                                                                    [–]gopms 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    My mild mannered, middle aged, white, husband said the same thing about a year ago. You know shit's bad when a guy named Gary is saying "yeah, I'd be rioting too".

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                                                                                                      [–]EmphaticGreyMage 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                      It's come full circle then.

                                                                                                      [–]Bendersfullofwomen 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                      awwww, but it was one of the good ones /s

                                                                                                      [–]Shwingbatta 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                      I just finished the episode in brooklynn 99 where they covered this scenario. Was surprised they did and impressed

                                                                                                      [–]goodhumansbad 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      Ditto. I think they handled it better than a lot of more serious/dramatic shows.

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                                                                                                        [–]BaconJay 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                        A couple months from now at the precinct:

                                                                                                        "Hey! Bill, d'you take my donut?"

                                                                                                        "Yep. Hey, at least I didn't shoot you, right? I took a fucking donut. Problem?"

                                                                                                        "Carry on...."

                                                                                                        [–]subsonic87 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                        Does this mean that the Blue Lives Matter people will finally take unjustified police shootings seriously?

                                                                                                        (Answer: nope)

                                                                                                        [–]JrMint 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                        The victim is black, therefore it's his fault.

                                                                                                        But he's also a police officer, so it is not his fault.

                                                                                                        We found Schrodinger's shooting victim, people.

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