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[–]Fatty-Kin 2148 ポイント2149 ポイント  (287子コメント)

It seems that the demand for racism has been outpacing the supply.

-The Muslim student at Villanova that was attacked by Trump supporters - FAKE, investigation closed.

-The Mississippi church that burnt down in "Vote Trump" arson attack... member of the church trying to frame Trump supporters, arrested!

-The swastika graffiti that was drawn all over campuses in New York - Man trying to frame Trump supporters, arrested.

-The racist Pro trump graffiti in Philly - Man trying to frame Trump supporters, arrested.

-The Muslim girl on the subway in NY who's hijab was snatched - FAKE, arrested for filing false police report

-The Muslim professor in Oklahoma that was handed a racist pamphlet by a White Trump supporter - Fake, investigation closed.

-The Muslim student at U of M who got threatened for wearing a Hijab - FAKE, filing a false police report charges pending.

-The Muslim Lafayette Student who claimed a Trump supporter stole her wallet and Hijab - FAKE, charges pending.

http://www.newsweek.com/yasmin-seweid-falsified-hate-crime-muslim-women-pressure-532525?rx=us http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/30113/ http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/05/black-man-arrested-after-pro-trump-racist-graffiti-spree-in-philadelphia.html?refresh=true http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/reports/245 http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20161203_Villanova_U__ends_probe_into_report_of_post_election_incident.html http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2016/12/police_say_no_evidence_muslim.html https://apnews.com/4e14f73be8df4caf90643cd2d757054c/Arrest-in-'Vote-Trump'-burning-of-Mississippi-black-church http://wgno.com/2016/11/10/police-lafayette-student-lied-about-being-robbed-of-wallet-hijab-by-trump-supporters/

[–]RonDeGrasseDawtchinsCounter-Revolutionary 1130 ポイント1131 ポイント  (209子コメント)

the demand for racism has been outpacing the supply

In economics, when the demand for a product is greater than the supply of a product that is called a "shortage."

So we can now rightly say that there is a shortage of racism in America. What a wonderful time to be alive, when there is less racism than people demand!

And you know what the most fucked up part of the story is?

She lied and made up this story because she was out drinking with her friends and she broke her curfew.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/muslim-woman-reported-trump-supporter-attack-made-story-article-1.2910944

Police sources say Seweid made up the story because she didn’t want to get in trouble for breaking her curfew after being out late drinking with friends.

So the only thing this woman was scared of was going home to her Muslim parents.

[–]KimJongUnusual 358 ポイント359 ポイント  (138子コメント)

I'm not the brightest bulb in the closet, but isn't drinking illegal in Islam, as well as generally disobeying parents, especially if you're a woman?

[–]RonDeGrasseDawtchinsCounter-Revolutionary 320 ポイント321 ポイント  (118子コメント)

Yes, drinking is definitely haram. And as far as disobedience goes, women are considered property in Islam. When you are a girl, you are the property of the father until he marries you off and passes the reigns to your husband.

[–]KimJongUnusual 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, so she doubly shamed her parents.

[–]dashrew 130 ポイント131 ポイント  (35子コメント)

Then got her head shaved because she was dating a Christian wtf is wrong with those people.

[–]RonDeGrasseDawtchinsCounter-Revolutionary 226 ポイント227 ポイント  (31子コメント)

wtf is wrong with those people.

There's a very simple answer to that question. One word: Islam

[–]dashrew 94 ポイント95 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Looks like a reoccurring theme.

[–]clvIV 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I believe recurring is the word you want

[–]FatalTypingAccident 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (2子コメント)

clocks striking twelve is a recurring event.

your mom sucking dick is a reoccurring event. although, it probably seems recurrent.

[–]dashrew 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Thanks man on mobile didn't notice.

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    [–]Vestrati 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    One word: Religion

    [–]Azaron93 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Yeah! Fuck Rastafari! And confuciaism! And sikh! And hinduism! And shintō! And daoism! And parsism! And especially every kind of buddhism!

    [–]bot_bot_bot 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Well yeah, all religions can fuck right off.

    Also, Google "Buddhist violence" if you want to see what some of those people do in the name of religion. Particularly in Sri Lanka at the moment.

    [–]rainythunderstormIdk. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm a fucking Discordian extremist! Rraargh! Feel my RAGE!

    [–]VierDee 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Don't forget about those bloodthirsty Jains.

    [–]your_favorite_human 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Religious fundamentalism is only a problem if the fundamentals are problematic.

    [–]Tralan 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    THA'S RACIST!!! IT'SA RELIGION OF PEACE!!!

    /s because Poe's Law always bites me in the ass.

    [–]WinterSoldierAK 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Religion.

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      [–]dalebonehart 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      The media didn't seem to have a problem with that though. Bet they would've cared if the person shaving her head had voted Trump.

      [–]A_WILD_SLUT_APPEARS 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      New York Barber who Voted for Trump - Tricks Customers Into Shaving Their Heads!

      [–]moto2four 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Islam is what's wrong with those people

      [–]Canadian_Beacon 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (43子コメント)

      Fuck this species I'm just ashamed.

      [–]RonDeGrasseDawtchinsCounter-Revolutionary 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (42子コメント)

      Don't blame the species, some of our cultures have been able to overcome our animalistic instincts in order to form a civilized and free society. It is possible for us to overcome, but it is the duty of all free people of the world to fight back against the tyranny and barbarism of the crescent moon.

      [–]rangda 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (39子コメント)

      I agree, and I hope you're putting conservative Western Christianity in the same basket, as a religion which is also extremely heavy on women being subjugated by, and subservient to their fathers and husbands.

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          [–]Phazon2000 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          isn't drinking illegal in Islam

          Depends how much money you've got. The Sultan of Brunei is constantly sloshed.

          [–]KimJongUnusual 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          My favorite religious people are those that stone others for not following the code of the religion, but then break those same rules.

          [–]A_WILD_SLUT_APPEARS 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Any country or religion that still is stoning people for breaking their social behavior rules is pretty fucked up to begin with.

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            [–]theresourcefulKman 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            She called herself 'Americanized' so the hijab is just for attention now.

            [–]JayKetchman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Funny how she's cool breaking all those rules but she still has to wear a towel on her head to let everyone know she's down with Islam. Seems hypocritical.

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              [–]The-Truth-Fairy 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              There are a lot more examples of fake hate crimes in this thread: https://np.reddit.com/r/media_criticism/comments/6a2hds/hate_crime_reported_on_by_the_washington_post_15/dhbtdhk/

              [–]BITCRUSHERRRR 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (58子コメント)

              There is definitely not a shortage of racism, it's just masked as political correctness and identity politics. So while the racism from right wing, southern, white people is low, on the "progressive" side it's flowering yet it's allowed.

              [–]Caretye 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Idk man I recently visited the south and was fucking floored at the bigoted attitudes people had. I had a whole room of older folk tell me that a black kid deserved to be shot if he runs from the cops, not because he poses any danger, but 'because he has probably committed crimes anyways and doesnt deserve to live'. I tried saying something to disagree with that and they got even more racist and just... horrible. And then they tried to act like they weren't being racist, they were just being realistic.

              Obviously not everyone in the south is racist but these kind of opinions, and that is a VERY specific one, are held by a huge amount of people. They don't often express it openly until you talk about it with them, but they hold them.

              Of course, I don't think you would admit this, no offense but judging by the subreddit we are on and your comment I would not be surprised if you are this type of person who spouts racist bullshit and then says "BUT IM NOT RACIST THOUGH!"

              [–]BITCRUSHERRRR 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I mean I never said I agreed with any racism did I? You're making assumptions here. No matter where you go in the world (especially outside the US) racism happens towards everyone. Acting like it's only one group doing it is part of the problem.

              If you lived in your home country, how much worse would a foreigner be treated compared to here?

              [–]woop-woop 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (16子コメント)

              I actually think it isn't racism, in a sense that you are not being attacked based on racial grounds but rather on the grounds of not being a part of that particular ideological group. So it's using racism both ways, first to say that those who are not with this ideological group are racist, but than also bate them to claim that they are being targeted by racist claim, to keep the whole racism demagogue going.

              For example Kanye West said that racism is a dated concept and was ridiculed for it, which is a very weird scenario but gives a better idea of how that word is being used.

              To clarify, the word 'racism' has morphed to have a completely different meaning, to the point where it is basically is a slur and it's being used in that way to claim moral territory.

              So to speak, if you talk about racism, you end up on their ground of dialog, so for them it's useful to bate those who oppose their ideology to use language that they sort of 'control'.

              [–]BITCRUSHERRRR 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (15子コメント)

              That's why every word with ism after it has lost all meaning to me after it's thrown around day after day. I have as a white guy probably experienced worse racism that these suburban mixed and black kids claim to have. Does that mean that makes it ok what happens to them? No, but when people say "you're white, you can't experience racism" I want to dot their fucking eye because I guaranTEE they haven't been attacked and targeted for their skin as I have.

              [–]woop-woop 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (12子コメント)

              I don't want to take away from your experience, but to mostly say that what you attribute that experience to, can greatly help make sense of that experience.

              So to speak, if you are being wronged by people who claim it is because of your skin color and you take that answer for granted, it's a very difficult problem, because not only you have no choice in the matter, but it's also fairly ridiculous that people would actually be so irrational, hard to come to terms with that chain of events.

              However, if you try to dig deeper, there is usually a very good connection in the mind of a 'racist' person, between race and qualities that a 'racist' resents.

              So to speak, race is used as a marker for something else they resent in a person and if you get to that something else, you can make very good sense of your experience with that a 'racist' person.

              Such is that they are in fact very troubled and don't know better than to hate, or they are making excuses for themselves to justify their behavior, which they themselves disagree with and many other options.

              So basically I'm saying that -isms in practice are a fairly thin mask people use to hide their true intentions but if you get to the true intentions it is very obvious and making sense of your experience with it becomes much easier.

              [–]Usually_Cynical 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              tldr

              [–]woop-woop 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              TL;DR people lie about why they act the way they do, even to themselves but you can make sense of it if you wanna

              [–]speenatch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

              I've never thought about it this way before. Is this something you've realized on your own, or can you direct me to something so I can read more about it?

              [–]woop-woop 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

              No way would I ever get through this sort of complexity on my own, especially because it's so hard to figure out if you are actually right in a meaningful sense.

              It's so nice that you actually are interested in reading about it, just feels good to know people care.

              If you want a sort of overview of the problem from the perspective of a very good mind on the topic, you can start with this podcast (Jordan B. Peterson on Joe Rogan). Peterson also has a youtube channel and he is uploading a lot of different projects right now, so it's a bit all over the place, but more to this sort of discussion is lectures on Personality and it's Transformations, which are structured in such a way that they give you topics and reading material and you sort of build up a framework in which you'll be able to navigate yourself easier towards what you are interested in. I would caution thou, that there are a lot of short clips of Peterson on youtube now and they are usually taken very out of context, so if you bother with his work, it's best to go through with videos on his channel.

              If you already have an idea of what specifically you would like to find out more about, you'd have to elaborate because otherwise there is really too much to recommend :)

              [–]speenatch 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Great, I'll be sure to check it out! If anything spikes my interest I may give you a shout. Thanks!

              [–]_youtubot_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Video linked by /u/woop-woop:

              Title Channel Published Duration Likes Total Views
              Joe Rogan Experience #958 - Jordan Peterson PowerfulJRE 2017-05-10 2:57:35 47,892+ (97%) 1,795,325

              Jordan Peterson is a clinical psychologist and tenured...

              Info | /u/woop-woop can delete | v1.1.2b

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                [–]morphogenes 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                It's not racism, exactly. It's being the outgroup. The Left's outgroup is conservatives. They can tolerate anything except the outgroup.

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                  [–]diaboliealcoholie 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Shortage you say. Can I go out and be racist? Ease the burden? I'm not a white male though, I'm Latino. Will that be ok or... shit. Will it?

                  [–]evilchops 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yeah dude go nuts :), have fun with it too. Just get caught up on all the new lingo and such... You don't want to be an outdated racist those are the worst.

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                    [–]deepfeels96Autism Level 34/50 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Vanderbilt -> calls for action when a bag of dog poop is found on black student center. turns out it was a blind lady who left it there because she couldn't find a trash bin.

                    Saint Olaf -> Calls for segregation after a "racist letter" circulates. turned out to be fabricated by a student of color.

                    these people are fucking ridiculous.

                    [–]lHaveAQuestion4u 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    And yet redditors make fun of people for calling it "fake news" when there are so many innacuracies and so little fact checking/using extreme bias in giving information I think it's fair to call the news fake.

                    [–]nolivesmatterCthulhu 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Even when it is proven to be fake they still call you a liar

                    [–]Tonillius 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I just wish everyone knew and stuck with "yellow journalism" instead. It's so much less open to personal interpretation and bad assumptions.

                    [–]AbovexBeyond 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Oh wow.

                    [–]vigoroiscool 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The worst part about people like this is they are hypocrites and they don't even know it. The people that say black lives matter are the same ones that approved of black only graduation ceremonies.

                    [–]HERMANNATOR85 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I don't know how this comment had 0 upvotes before I got here but I gave you one because this is the truth. It's amazing how far people will go to push their own narrative. I don't know about everyone else but ,as someone who lives in a state where marijuana isn't legal, I try to keep my dealings with law enforcement to a bare minimum. You would NEVER catch me lying to police about something so stupid. Instead of making Trump look bad, it really makes the other side look like complete idiots when stupid shit like this backfires on them.

                    The 2016 election made me so damn proud to be a registered independent because both sides have really shown their ass throughout the entire campaign until now. It's embarrassing, especially since the whole world watches as we casually stand around with our pants down ,looking like fools ,because our political system is crumbling.

                    In an election where barely half the population voted, we still try to blame the Russians for tampering with our election.

                    [–]GennyGeo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    hOLY SHIT the guy who spray painted swastikas came to my campus and pulled that shit right on the wall outside my window!! My entire suite was investigated for like 3 fucking weeks

                    [–]SibilantSounds 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                    Come on dude.

                    I hate fake news and false reports as anyone else but look at this.

                    https://www.reddit.com/r/publicfreakout/comments/6ap0wf/_/dhh8olw

                    [–]belecaSpeaker of Truth 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    First of all, some of the things on that list are bullshit. A girl with a black eye claims a guy ran up to her outside an art supply store and punched her in the face yelling "Trump!" all because she painted a picture of Trump with a small dick. Her painting wasn't famous, had never been displayed anywhere, etc., but somehow she just knew that this guy was attacking her over her painting. She has a real black eye, but the rest of the story is just assertion from a woman with a political agenda.

                    And even if we accept all those incidents are real, there's less than 20 on that list, and at least 4 of the links were just about things Trump said, so closer to 15. And some of those stories are over 8 months old. So in 8 months, we've found 15 incidents of Trump or race related violence. Wow. What an epidemic. The list of hoaxes, which isn't anywhere near exhaustive and is from roughly the same time frame, has 8 fake incidents. So out of 23 incidents, 8, or roughly 1/3, are hoaxes. To pretend that that isn't shocking or important is just ridiculous. They didn't even include all the antisemitic hoaxes like the bomb threats to synagogues and desecrated cemeteries.

                    So the big hate bogeyman consists of 15 real incidents and over 8 hoaxes in 8 months. In a country of 300 million, over 2/3 of a year, that is nothing. More people got shot in Chicago in the last 2 weeks.

                    [–]Wold 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    That's a shit list. Some of those are obviously bad things that happened. Some of them are completely unverifiable mystery attacks aka "help I got punched by a white man saying trump said to and then he escaped!" some of them are questionable given the evidence available, and some are blatant fake news. One is called 'In 8 months Trump supporters attacked protesters at 20 different rallies.' and is a list of 20 incidents that include things already on the reddit post,anti-trump violence, and more proven fake news.

                    [–]Wold 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It's also followed by a bullshit list, and then every attempt made to correct the list is laughed off by applying standards much more rigorous than the ones used to compile the obviously false list of 'Right Wing Terrorist Attacks'

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                      [–]thatsmyaibo 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Can we put this next to all of the attacks from Antifa beating people in the streets for having differing views?

                      [–]96stars 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Someone posted that in the replies. People pretty much waived if aside because assualts and beatings have no value if no one died, apparently.

                      [–]Floatsm 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      All this tells me is everyone is an asshole

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                        [–]Z0di 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Okay, now compare that to the rate of actual hate crimes.

                        [–]MatMaf 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        *whose hijab

                        [–]frogpard 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        "It seems the demand for racism has out-paced supply" lol, someone give this man some gold!

                        [–]Brettangle 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        This man sites his sources, I like it

                        [–]xoizTRUMP 2016 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        /r/HateCrimeHoaxes/

                        [–]AnOddSeriesOfTubes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Here to go! Here's a list of all the recent hate crime hoaxes

                        http://archive.is/rw8iI

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                          [–]goodbetterbestbested 506 ポイント507 ポイント  (74子コメント)

                          There's a very simple explanation here that anyone mildly familiar with journalistic writing standards would recognize:

                          The men from the first story, who were fictional, were not charged with a crime. The woman was charged with a crime.

                          When someone is charged with a crime, but has not yet been found guilty, journalists always use the word "allegedly." But if no one has been charged, they're free to report on the story without that word.

                          The rationale for using the word allegedly when someone is charged with a crime but not convicted is to show deference to the legal system.

                          [–]totallynotliamneeson 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Thank you.

                          Jesus people, allegedly is just part of the 'innocent until proven guilty' way our legal system works.

                          [–]EyesEmojiPeachEmoji 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                          ...what's the rationale behind that standard? Shouldn't a headline suggest that we should be more wary of testimony coming from a person who isn't willing to risk charges for false accusations?

                          Edit: to clarify--I think that both headlines should include the term "allegedly" since neither claim had been proven in court.

                          [–]goodbetterbestbested 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to say here so I'll just copy-paste from the first result on Google when you search "why do journalists use allegedly":

                          My answer is that that, first, for purely symbolic purposes, the frequent invocation of the word "allegedly" prior to conviction in criminal cases is a reminder that all criminal accusations against a person, from the most obviously true to the most speculative, must be proven in a court of law before they're presumed to be true. We insist that the government prove its case through the formal process of a trial, as opposed to insisting that an accused person prove his innocence. Every "allegedly" reminds us of this, even in cases where there can be no serious doubt of the charges.

                          Second, practically speaking, does anyone really want journalists or editors deciding before trial whether an accused person is actually guilty or maybe guilty or probably not guilty?

                          http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2010/01/why-do-writers-use-allegedly-when-we-all-just-know-someones-guilty.html

                          [–]EyesEmojiPeachEmoji 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          Right I get that part of the rationale. I'm saying that both claims should be accompanied by "allegedly" since neither have been proven in court.

                          [–]goodbetterbestbested 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          By that logic, damn near every headline ever should contain "allegedly," because most factual assertions haven't been proven in court. The first headline doesn't contain it because there were no charges filed. Do you understand?

                          [–]EyesEmojiPeachEmoji 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          No need to condescend.

                          Shouldn't we include "allegedly" when an event is being recounted by a single witness and isn't backed by any other evidence?

                          [–]goodbetterbestbested 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Sure, absolutely. In that circumstance adding allegedly makes sense to me and seems fair. It's not standard journalistic practice like the "allegedly" for formal charges, though.

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                                [–]SWEET_BBQ 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                mildly familiar with journalistic writing standards

                                Buzzfeed

                                Choose one. Like earlier this year when they released the steele dossier and said "none of this has been confirmed but we're releasing it for you to see"

                                [–]goodbetterbestbested 132 ポイント133 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                Oh come on, I'm not expressing my opinion one way or another about Buzzfeed's journalism.

                                That's why I said "writing practices" and not something broader like "ethics."

                                The fact is, using "alleged" when someone is accused (edit: actually, not just accused, but formally charged) of a crime (but not convicted) is standard and so well-known a journalistic practice that even Buzzfeed does it.

                                [–]Looger 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                You seem to forget that everyone in this sub is 12 and has never actually read the news before

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                                  [–]cashtophers_snoot 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  They released it because an FBI source leaked that they were running down leads.

                                  It wasn't released before that because it wasn't news. Not by BuzzFeed or CNN or CBS or NYT or anyone.

                                  But reporting on an FBI investigation is news. That's those journalistic standards you mentioned.

                                  You're not as sharp as you think you are. You're just pissed off and ignorant. People take advantage of that.

                                  Good luck.

                                  [–]frivoflava29 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  With rules like:

                                  3) Don't be a faggot.

                                  and:

                                  6) This is not a politically correct sub. If you get offended by "casual racism" ...

                                  You'd really expect better of this sub! Oh wait, no, because it's filled with edgelord teenagers. Maybe it's just post-ironic humor since they're more cringey than any of the posts.

                                  [–]willmaster123top cuck 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  this sub is honestly so embarrassing sometimes lmao

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                                    [–]eyeemache 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Yep.

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                                      [–]YongeArcade 523 ポイント524 ポイント  (42子コメント)

                                      A) Buzzfeed already knew the story on the left was fake and had no reason to use the term allegedly since you can not slander fictional white men that you made up to fit your false narrative.

                                      or

                                      B) In the cult of SJW all white men are guilty so no reason to use the term allegedly because they are white and they are men ( and gasp probably heterosexual too!!) So no other proof or trial is needed "listen and believe" guilty as charged.

                                      or

                                      C) Tammera did not get the writing job at Buzzfeed for her skill but more likely because of her vagina and skin colour, so no clue of journalism or journalistic ethics there.

                                      Your choice of which is true since all are probably true.

                                      [–]VomitFreeSince73 109 ポイント110 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      They're all allegedly true.

                                      [–]Smcmaho2 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      Big if alleged.

                                      [–]xgm541 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Alleged bigly.

                                      [–]OralOperator 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Someone needs to do the fat pervert face in response to this

                                      [–]Totally-anonymous 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      sizable if verifiable

                                      [–]IVIaskerade 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      For you.

                                      [–]82many4ceps 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      Or ... the first headline is talking about unnamed people (unnamed, so can't be libeled) and 'Drunk Men Yelling' is a much punchier headline than 'Drunk Men Allegedly Yelling'.

                                      The second is talking about legal charges against a named individual. Without the 'allegedly', they open themselves to libel charges if she's not convicted.

                                      [–]b009152 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      So what your saying is that they actually learned something, from Gawker. Uninteresting.

                                      [–]82many4ceps 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      No. What I'm saying is:

                                      Or ... the first headline is talking about unnamed people (unnamed, so can't be libeled) and 'Drunk Men Yelling' is a much punchier headline than 'Drunk Men Allegedly Yelling'. The second is talking about legal charges against a named individual. Without the 'allegedly', they open themselves to libel charges if she's not convicted.

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                                        [–]utlk 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        My theory is that they didnt have to use Allegedly in the left story since no names were given for the fake men while the woman's name was given in the right story. If they had names for the men theyd probably use allegedly or they could be sued for libel.

                                        [–]Z0di 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        This is the correct 'theory'.

                                        [–]Rushel 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                        The article on the left is a recounting of her story about being attacked. The article on the right is based on the police report after she was arrested and charged. They used the word "allegedly" in the second article because it is talking about the legal charges against her, not some shit she wrote on Facebook or wherever. This is the standard language that journalists use in news reports about legal charges.

                                        [–]MadnessofKingHippo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Exactly. Once any kind of arrest is made and charges are filed, all journalists have to insert the word "allegedly" because a trial has not been done and a verdict has been reached. Otherwise it breaks the legal precedent of innocent before guilty. They simply cannot write in definitive statements anymore. Essentially, once the cuffs come out, "allegedly" now has to be included.

                                        [–]joshopoke 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                        No, the title of the left article is stated as a definite fact, when it clearly wasn't.

                                        [–]Z0di 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        It was her account of the incident. They don't have to say allegedly for her, she's taking the blame if they go after her for libel, which they are doing....

                                        [–]minizanz 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        the allegedly refers to a crime that a specific person may have committed. random unknown story person does not get an allegedly since there was no person identified.

                                        [–]Rushel 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                        I'm just saying why they added the word allegedly. The word that was underlined in the post.

                                        [–]lookatmeimwhite 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                        Or because they're trying to push a narrative.

                                        [–]Rushel 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                        They probably are, but that doesn't mean that they added the word allegedly in order to defend her. It's the standard journalistic vocabulary when reporting on someone's criminal charges.

                                        [–]Mermbone 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                        I think people are more upset that they used allegedly on one story correctly, but completely stated the first article as fact. we know its the standard journalist vocabulary but they only use it when they want is the point.

                                        [–]Rushel 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        I think it's more that they only use it when they have to. Nobody is named as the perpetrators, for an obvious reason, in the first article so there's nobody to sue Buzzfeed for defamation or libel or anything based on that article. But the second article gives you the name and a photo of the perpetrator and so they don't want to claim she did something when she's only been accused, not convicted, of doing something because that can open them up to legal backlash in the future.

                                        [–]Makkaboosh 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        This is a great explanation. It's important to try to find the least malicious explanation for things before becoming outraged.

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                                          [–]Z0di 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          They state the article as fact because she's telling the story. Everything that she claims, they write as fact. Why? Because they won't be sued for it, she will. She is the one who lied, not them.

                                          [–]compasslov 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I learned that word thanks to TMZ.com

                                          [–]FatGorgon 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          Not buying it. They could've used the word 'claimed' in the fake story on the left.

                                          [–]Rushel 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          They should have, but that doesn't mean they used the word allegedly in order to defend her. It's part of the standard journalistic vocabulary for talking about someone's criminal charges.

                                          [–]shoodpawoop9900 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Aren't all stories on the left fake, get it, liberals

                                          [–]thatsmyaibo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Actually it's been happening a lot. Paid stories that make the administration look bad and non-paid redactions.

                                          It's pathetic.

                                          [–]BathnAPES 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I recently posted on this discussing the term "allegedly". Could it be they had to say "allegedly" due to the fact you have to when describing the defendant prior to a conviction? I'm not sure if slander is what they were worried about.

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                                            [–]spec1alsnowflake 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            Why would someone ever yell Donald Trump?

                                            Is she confusing it with muslims yelling Allah Akbar?

                                            [–]iamjakeparty 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            Didn't a guy just get arrested last month for while yelling about Donald Trump at some beach?

                                            Edit: Yup, found an article here.

                                            [–]joe17857 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            I mean he wasn't arrested for yelling Donald trump but ok... he was arrested for harassing muslims over their religion and sharia law

                                            [–]spec1alsnowflake 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Holy shit what a retarded ape

                                            [–]DevilGuy 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            There is a specific legal reason for this actually, in the first story there were no suspects and no one in custody, in the second the woman is facing charges. Because of the way due process works if you print something like 'Woman made up story about trumpers trying to rape here and pull off hijab' and then she manages to get a 'not guilty' in a court hearing, she could turn around and sue for libel for the headline. That's why whenever you see a news story where they have video of someone robbing a store or some shit they still say 'allegedly' in news articles.

                                            Their main impetus wasn't to spin, it was to sensationalize, but in the second story they can't go as far because there are concrete consequences to stepping over certain lines, whereas in the first they weren't opening themselves up because they hadn't accused any specific person of doing anything.

                                            [–]ahr113 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            They have to use the word "alleged" before a conviction, or else it's libel.

                                            [–]GODLOVESALL32 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            Wow, "Donald Trump" sure is an appropriate thing for people violently assaulting a woman to chant. I see no agenda here. This story is 100% legitimate and the racist, sexist, Islamophobic, pro-Trump and probably homophobic police would arrest her for "making up" such an obviously real and damning incident like this. I bet the Russians were behind this.

                                            [–]thepublican 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Get Alex Jones on the phone, he'll have the need to know info on this situation

                                            [–]TomatoPoodle 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            There's that high quality investigative journalism I keep hearing so much about

                                            [–]AutumnsBrains 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Buzzfeed isn't even a news source. Almost 100% of their articles are paid for by sponsors

                                            [–]mrspacepanda 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            It's almost as if it's an alleged crime until a court of law makes their judgement. I'm all for hating on buzzfeed, but there's really no reason to here.

                                            [–]EyesEmojiPeachEmoji 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            until a court of law makes their judgement

                                            Which would include the period of time before charges are filed. They should include some form of "alleged" in the first headline too.

                                            [–]CKgodlike 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            And it's almost as if buzzfeed sensationalizes every story they get even if it isn't true. Especially if the alleged crime was commited by "white males" with a minority victim. The point of the post is that it only probably happened if the minority is the suspect

                                            [–]cherrysunn 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            You guys do realize that journalists HAVE to use the word allegedly until someone is proven guilty in a court of law, right?

                                            [–]dank_thors_hammer 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            Muh victim hood!!!!(*see headscarf)

                                            [–]MyZootopiaThrowaway 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (51子コメント)

                                            I'm confused on the cringe here. Lady lies, and the news report the lies. Then the possibility of her lying gets her arrested and buzzfeed makes an article about her getting arrested on the allegations of her lying, as well as updating the original incorrect article (I would assume with corrections). They could make an article when it's found that she was in fact lying and her sentencing or one where she's found not guilty, when the time comes.

                                            Besides the usual buzzfeed garbage, what's cringy here?

                                            [–]Chewy12 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                            This sub isn't really about cringe, it's an alt-right sub for teenagers

                                            [–]Paradox 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                            everyone I disagree with is le evil alt right and also immature

                                            [–]Chewy12 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                            Ok so I guess the fact that everything hot in this sub is supporting alt-right views is a coincidence

                                            Stuff that shits on t_d is always downvoted too

                                            [–]Mokken 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            is anything not democratic or liberal considered alt-right to you?

                                            [–]iammrpositiveBreaker of Chains 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Be the change you want to see in the world then bitch.

                                            [–]starhawks 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                            So this post is considered alt right to you?

                                            [–]JojoSalatcia 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            To be fair I've also seen posts from t_d show up around here.

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                                                  [–]AntonioOfVenice[S] 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                  It's reported as fact when it fit Buzzfeed's agenda, and as "allegedly" when she was busted for lying. The word 'allegedly' is used zero times in the original article, and four times in the second article.

                                                  [–]tbscotty68 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                  The use of the word "alleged" is in keeping with the concept of American justice that an individual is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. It means accused, but not yet convicted.

                                                  [–]tuckersteel 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Thank you! Least someone gets it.

                                                  [–]EyesEmojiPeachEmoji 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  Right but the men in her story hadn't been charged with anything. I understand there's a standard at play but shouldn't the standard apply to every situation in which someone has not been convicted of a crime (or any wrongdoing) but merely accused of it?

                                                  [–]tbscotty68 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  The first article should have said something like, "according to the victim." We all have our biases and it is very difficult to compensate for them at all times.

                                                  [–]EyesEmojiPeachEmoji 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Right, including something like "according to the victim" is all I'm asking for.

                                                  But the practice of doing that should be standard like saying "allegedly" is, since as you say it is difficult to account for biases

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                                                    [–]Lmaocaust 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Which part of that is cringey to you?

                                                    [–]DonBB 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    It wasn't reported as fact at all. Every point of the original story was cited either to the girl's account or police. Kinda seems like you didn't actually read the story.

                                                    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tamerragriffin/drunk-men-yelling-donald-trump-attempt-to-remove-womans-hija?utm_term=.whgK6Mkkz#.flAyY6ppW

                                                    [–]MyZootopiaThrowaway 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                    I see what your saying since they didn't include "allegedly" in the first article, but that logic means they would need to include "allegedly" in almost every article they make.

                                                    [–]AntonioOfVenice[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                    Unless they have confirmed it for themselves, as media outlets usually do. It's either 'allegedly', or 'reported by someone else'.

                                                    [–]MyZootopiaThrowaway 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                    If buzzfeed interviewed her personally, would they still need "allegedly"? If buzzfeed went to a person who claimed they bought a cheeseburger, would they need "allegedly"?

                                                    [–]AntonioOfVenice[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    If buzzfeed interviewed her personally, would they still need "allegedly"?

                                                    Yes. The interview only establishes that she is making these claims, not that the claims are in fact true. What is in doubt here is not that the woman made these claims, but their veracity.

                                                    If buzzfeed went to a person who claimed they bought a cheeseburger, would they need "allegedly"?

                                                    And yes, unless it has been independently verified. With a receipt, for example. I'd ask why someone would report on a guy buying a cheeseburger, but then I remember that it's Buzzfeed we're talking about.

                                                    [–]MyZootopiaThrowaway 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    Gotcha, I see what you mean. Maybe not cringy to me, but it is bad journalism.

                                                    [–]rainythunderstormIdk. 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    It's cringy because they put it in the second headline because it dosn't fit their agenda bjt don't do so in the first headline.

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                                                          [–]cleverk 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                          Serious question: Not that I doubt it but how can such claim be "proven" to be false? I mean, you most likely won't know any details about your attackers. I suppose videos and witness would be required

                                                          [–]chickadeehill 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          I believe her brother saw her status on Facebook and called her out. He said she was at home with him so it didn't happen. Lol

                                                          [–]SteveTheDude 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          That's hilarious. There are also cameras on the NYC subway, and there would be witnesses. I'm sure her version of events also changed each time she told them

                                                          [–]DuHast1996 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                          She ended up confessing to making it up after the police couldn't find any witnesses or video footage (the NYC subway has tons of cameras). She supposedly lied to avoid getting in trouble with her parents. Some sites say for missing curfew, others simply because she was having family problems.

                                                          http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/muslim-woman-reported-trump-supporter-attack-made-story-article-1.2910944

                                                          [–]RacingToARedLight 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Generally when the person making it up admits to it. In general it's way harder to make up a consistent, believable story than people think.

                                                          [–]Fiji4thewinThenk yo com again 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Well she didn't get pissed of enough to blow up a building and it was in New York so that's one big piece of evidence right there.

                                                          [–]Wilsonian81 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Buzzfeed is just a middleman for ads.

                                                          [–]UmbrellaResearchCorp 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                          I still can't believe these goddamn hacks have a fucking White House press pass. It's simply un-fucking-believable.

                                                          [–]comebackjoeyjojo 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                          Tell it to the people who granted it. It's the same who granted one to InfoWars.

                                                          [–]UmbrellaResearchCorp 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                          Buzzfeed was given WH creds under Obama.

                                                          InfoWars only recently got a temp pass. Which is really interesting since I never really see Infowars having a "OMG You'll never guess which 10 things are XXXXX, you'll go crazy when you see #X!" nonsense like Buzzfeed does and still does. And the Trump admin recently denied Breitbart a permanent press pass, so there's that.

                                                          [–]Enthused_Llama 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                          MSM DECLARES ALEX JONES ENEMY #1 AS TRUMP BATTLES TO STOP ECONOMIC IMPLOSION

                                                          Sure totally different.

                                                          [–]mendopnhc 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                          I never really see Infowars having a "OMG You'll never guess which 10 things are XXXXX, you'll go crazy when you see #X!"

                                                          haha its still absolute lies and garbage tho.

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                                                            [–]AchingFace 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                            I don't get these posts. The articles that are extra sensationalist have different writers. You can literally see that here.

                                                            [–]SeppGoodell 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Almost like they should have an editor or something

                                                            [–]IVIaskerade 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            have different writers.

                                                            Who are both writing for buzzfeed. That's how this works, yes.

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                                                              [–]ThatDrunkenScot 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              I love how this post highlights the wrong thing. Allegedly is used in journalism when something is unconfirmed (see here her unconfirmed fake story). That means David Mack did what he was supposed to do and report responsibly. What Tamerra Griffin did was report the story as if it were true and then have to backtrack and say it was false--something Buzzfeed is well known for.

                                                              [–]crybannanna 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              They should vet their stories better, but it's better to report the right story, even if it contradicts your previous shitty fake story... rather than just not reporting the real deal because it contradicts.

                                                              It's like if you send out an email with bad information, and then send out another one with a correction. It sucks to be wrong, and hopefully you try not to do that, but it's better than letting the bad information stand for fear of looking stupid.

                                                              [–]Pcperson122 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Dont get me wrong, I hate false reports(some bitch falsely reported me for stealing her phone, when she had it all along), and while i love the irony here, i do support the allegedly in the title unless we have proof.

                                                              [–]joemamaondahouse 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              What the most cringey is that you don't know journalists use "allegedly" for anyone who has been accused for a crime but has not been sentenced

                                                              [–]ToastyPeanuts 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              How is this even cringe? They reported something and then updated it when it was found out that it was false and they made a mistake. Seriously what, should they have issued a long apology for an article that is literally just one sentence. The word Allegedly is commonly used when referring to imprisonment or guilt and is probably the reason why they didn't use it in the first article where there was no mention of an arrest made for the men. And anyway, who actually uses BuzzFeed for news?

                                                              [–]DukeMaximum 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Imagine that you're a Buzzfeed writer. And imagine that you're a huge piece of shit desperate for attention. Ah, but I repeat myself.

                                                              [–]Miss_Sangwitch 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Imagine that you're a Buzzfeed writer.

                                                              Sorry, I have enough real reasons to hate myself.

                                                              [–]bryanrobh 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              I have a feeling the staff of buzzfeed are a bunch of disgusting feminazis

                                                              [–]BathnAPES 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              As fucked up as things like this are, could the second title use the word "allegedly" due to legal reasons? I don't study law but I was under the impression that when someone is awaiting trial, the word allegedly must be used when describing a situation, no matter how guilty an individual appears.

                                                              [–]justtothankyou 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              At least Buzzfeed has the fortitude to correct a lie they reported on?

                                                              [–]Bodega_Surprise 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              New law: if you make a false report/claim, your sentence is what your targets would have served had they been real and convicted.

                                                              [–]Gregku90 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Good job to the police who were able to disprove these allegations.

                                                              [–]veravarav 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              DOWN WITH CNN AND BUZZFEED! Giving every other legitimate news source a bad rep.

                                                              [–]crybannanna 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              You know that they are legally required to say allegedly, before a conviction.

                                                              [–]XXMAVR1KXX 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Buzzfeed is a terrible site that just spreads hate... allegedly

                                                              [–]BITCRUSHERRRR 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                              Most hate crimes that are spread now days are fake. The vile shit these people do for attention then still have the moral high ground in the MSM view is sad

                                                              [–]Bitches_Love_Hossa 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              https://www.reddit.com/r/publicfreakout/comments/6ap0wf/_/dhh8olw

                                                              Not saying either are okay, but saying most hate crimes are fake is a little presumptuous. It most certainly goes both ways, and things will never get better unless both sides acknowledge that.

                                                              [–]BITCRUSHERRRR 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              I meant most that I've seen, but I understand the confusion. I'm not saying one happens and one doesn't though. I try to show that shit is bad on either side yet I always get r/iamverysmart smug asses trying to ignore shit

                                                              [–]chicklepip 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                              "Most hate crimes" = "the few cherrypicked instances that wind up plastered all over the front page of a sub that is supposed to be devoted to cringe pics and videos"

                                                              [–]HeavenlyGrounds 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                              This is in no way a defense of Buzzfeed as I despise them and all the liberal media.

                                                              However, they legally have to say "allegedly" because she has not yet been found guilty of the crime of falsifying a police report. If they did not use the word "allegedly" and she was later found innocent, she could then sue Buzzfeed for libel.

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