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[–]Oerath 1627 ポイント1628 ポイント  (255子コメント)

He's not wrong. That's literally the main point of the 2nd amendment.

Hodgkinson just jumped the gun a bit. You don't start shooting people because you lost 1 election. You start shooting them when it becomes clear that the democratic system has suffered a massive failure and any "elections" being held are rigged PR stunts. We're not there yet. Hopefully next year we get a nice bloodless revolution in Congress and things can carry on as normal.

Edit: slight edit to acknowledge that the 2nd amendment has some additional purposes beyond just insurrection. Also worth noting that it specifically entitles you to a militia, not necessarily just a gun.

Edit 2: Well I'm off folks. Been an interesting discussion. Glad to have it, even with the folks I disagree with. My hope is that the revolution is never necessary; but if it becomes so, don't give up before it begins just because everyone is telling you it's hopeless. That's how despots cling to power for so long.

[–]Yyoumadbro 379 ポイント380 ポイント  (125子コメント)

He's not wrong. That's literally the entire point of the 2nd amendment.

Correct. But this event exposes the underlying issue with that philosophy. It's up to the citizenry (each individual citizen specifically) to decide when this point has been breached. You laid out a very specific situation in which YOU think the point has been breached. Clearly the shooter yesterday found that point had lower requirements.

[–]sintos-compa 135 ポイント136 ポイント  (55子コメント)

I've been wanting to write a book about this topic. An alt future where the US government become tyrannical but most of the gun nuts liked the guy in power, and now the "libturds" have to live like doomsday preppers

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    [–]Milkman127 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    well with gerrymandering and voter suppression and new voter registration laws... i mean, its circling a drain, he's a warning shot.

    [–]Oerath 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    If the GOP doesn't lose the 2018 midterms hard I'll be more inclined to agree. For now I'm willing to give the system a chance to self-correct.

    [–]rwfan 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You can be sure the republicans will do nothing to secure the voting system. No doubt we will be in the same boat next election, easily hacked election machines and either no paper backup or no checking of the paper backup. And we will be shocked again that the results don't match the polls.

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      [–]Bidenbro1991 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      There's much debate regarding what the second amendment actually means. The language can be interpreted several different ways and supreme court justices can't even agree on that point. So for you to so flatly claim that's its entire purpose is a bit naive. Also, do you think in the context of today's military the founding fathers would still intend for the second amendment to mean to be able to rise up against a tyrannical government? The military has thousands of jets, planes, tanks, bombs, and troops that are more concerned about their own pension and livelihood than overthrowing a tyrannical government, so you can imagine how the civil uprising with small arms would go...

      [–]xsp4rrow 248 ポイント249 ポイント  (43子コメント)

      I love when people take things out of context and strawman the shit out of it.

      He was tweeting about the 2nd in 140 characters or less. It's easy to make it look like some "republican conservatard spewing bullshit" when, in reality, that is literally the point of the 2nd... do people not understand that?

      [–]amore404 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I love when people take things out of context and strawman the shit out of it.

      How is this "out of context"?? It's literally VERBATIM, and in it's entirety.

      [–]GaslightManifesto 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (22子コメント)

      So you're telling me you don't see the least bit of irony in the fact that a dude who was advocating for the potential shooting of politicians just got shot at?

      Paul is reaping what he sows, imo.

      [–]jweezy2045 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (16子コメント)

      Ironic? Yes. Truthful? Also yes.

      [–]GaslightManifesto 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (15子コメント)

      So who is to say this guy wasn't just carrying out Paul's own advice?

      [–]jweezy2045 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (13子コメント)

      Not I.

      However the sad actions of the shooting don't change the purpose of the second amendment.

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          [–]Bovronius 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Probably shouldn't use twitter to convey such messages then.

          It's like political/religious bumper stickers.

          If your political ideals fit on a bumper sticker then....

          [–]amore404 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Probably shouldn't use twitter to convey such messages then.

          Yeah they should. I heard a great quote. "On Capital Hill, a gaff is when Republicans let slip what they're really thinking". All politicians should put their money where their mouth is, and should be held to the things they say.

          If they want to reverse their position, then it should be done in advance of when it's convenient.

          [–]Bovronius 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          My statement is in regards to them using "It's only 140 characters!" as a defense to his shitty statements.

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            [–]havestronaut 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I like how you pretended that anyone actually says "conservatard." That type of insensitive ad hominem trash is far more often conservative tradition. Nice try though.

            [–]squiddem 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Shut up and keep jerking

            [–]SovereignRLG 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Even worse, it was a live tweet evidently. Not even something he is agreeing or disagreeing with. He was live tweeting, or an aide was. I don't understand why this is on the front page.

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              [–]ShelSilverstain 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (7子コメント)

              I can't imagine how angry the right would be had Hillary won. I heard plenty of grumblings about violence irl about it

              [–]Metaconfederado 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              We had an armed occupation of federal land by violent radical conservative separatists that were found not guilty despite being obviously guilty.

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                [–]taws34 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                The DNC rigged their own nomination process for their own pre-selected candidate.

                How was that shit show not a rigged PR stunt?

                [–]kurburux 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                He's not wrong. That's literally the entire point of the 2nd amendment.

                No, it isn't. It's also about defending the state (among other things).

                People look at the 2nd and everyone picks what they like.

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                  [–]codes_comments 258 ポイント259 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  I mean he's right though isn't he

                  [–]AHeartOfGoal 451 ポイント452 ポイント  (168子コメント)

                  Typical. I was passing this sign around yesterday that I found at a gun show in Georgia years ago. The hypocrisy is astounding.

                  [–]jimbo831 327 ポイント328 ポイント  (123子コメント)

                  Let's take a quick pause from talking about the first sign to point out the horrible misogyny of the lower sign.

                  [–]WingardiumJuggalosa 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                  I am actually kind of surprised by how horrible that is

                  [–]NascentEcho 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Love number 6. Dude's wife wouldn't stay with him if he was out of ammo.

                  [–]blueshield925 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                  It actually makes me morbidly curious to know what the number one reason was.

                  [–]carrmcg 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                  https://imgur.com/a/uwhH4

                  [–]Danielthegrayt 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  TLDR: Guns are better because women are people.

                  [–]shamrock-frost 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Fuck my dude that's awful

                  [–]itsnotnews92 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  A handgun doesn't mind if you go to sleep after you've used it

                  Just as I suspected, 2nd Amendment extremists have no respect for women and really do have a fetish for guns.

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                    [–]rose_colored_boy 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Luckily for the men who would actually carry that sign around, they won't ever get a woman! So they're free to enjoy their guns.

                    [–]ItSeemedObvious 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    Guns have silencers.

                    E:

                    Like guys come on,

                    It's urgently needed in a time of crisis for vibrant PoC and white allies to throw down the signs of our colonial oppressors, and male oppression like this et all!

                    These problematic and horrible things we do to our women must stop now! Like these signs! Our grandmothers didn't go through suffrage for this!

                    who would dare make a joke about someones anatomy! WHAT DICKS!!!!

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                      [–]AHeartOfGoal 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It's like a two for one deal! :D

                      [–]havestronaut 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      That's the culture, right there. And somehow, the women in this culture are not only fine with it, they pride themselves on being this misogynist.

                      [–]siaka_stevens 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (35子コメント)

                      Holy shit the period one

                      [–]PM_ME_YOUR_MASS 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                      Fuck women and their natural biological functions, especially if my partner in a relationship asks me to be understanding and help her through a time which could be very agonizing since it varies in severity from woman to woman. Fuck her! I want my guns

                      [–]ItSeemedObvious 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      Seriously?

                      This one must be misogyny double plus ungood.

                      http://imgur.com/YUDZvpp

                      [–]ShelSilverstain 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                      These things have been around forever:

                      "62 reasons why cucumbers are better than men (R)

                      1. The average cucumber is at least six inches long. 
                      2. Cucumbers stay hard for a week. 
                      3. A cucumber won't tell you size don't count. 
                      4. Cucumbers don't get TOO excited. 
                      5. A cucumber never suffers from performance anxiety. 
                      6. Cucumbers are easy to pick up. 
                      7. You can fondle cucumbers in a supermarket... and you know how firm it is before you take it home. 
                      8. Cucumbers can get away any weekend. 
                      9. With a cucumber you can get a single room and ... you won't have to check in as 'Mrs. Cucumber'. 
                      10. A cucumber will always respect you in the morning. 
                      11. If you can go to the movie with a cucumber and see the movie at a drive in you can stay in the front seat. 
                      12. A cucumber can always wait until you get home. 
                      13. A cucumber won't eat all the popcorn. 
                      14. A cucumber won't drag you out to a John Wayne Film Festival. 
                      15. A cucumber won't ask: 'Am I first?' 
                      16. Cucumbers don't care whether you're a virgin. 
                      17. Cucumbers won't tell other cucumbers you're a virgin. 
                      18. Cucumbers won't tell anyone you're not a virgin. 
                      19. With cucumbers, you don't have to be a virgin more than once. 
                      20. Cucumbers won't write your name and number on men's room wall. 
                      21. Cucumbers don't have sex hang-ups. 
                      22. Cucumbers won't ask: 'Am I the best', 'How was it?' 'Did you come?', 'How many times?' 
                      23. Cucumbers aren't jealous of your gynecologist, ski instructor or hair dresser. 
                      24. Cucumbers won't ask about your last lover or speculate about your next one. 
                      25. A cucumber will never make a scene because there are other cucumbers in the refrigerator. 
                      26. A cucumber won't mind hiding in the refrigerator when your mother comes over. 
                      27. No matter how old you are you can always get a fresh cucumber. 
                      28. You can dish a cucumber up for dinner to your Brother-in law  & Sister, after fucking it. 
                      29. Cucumbers can handle rejection. 
                      30. A cucumber won't pout if you have a headache. 
                      31. A cucumber won't care what time of the month it is. 
                      32. A cucumber never wants to get it on when your nails are wet. 
                      33. A cucumber won't give it up for lent. 
                      34. With a cucumber, you never have to say you're sorry. 
                      35. Cucumbers won't leave whisker burns, fall asleep on your chest or drool on the pillow. 
                      36. A cucumber will never give you a hickey. 
                      37. Cucumbers can stay up ALL night and you won't have to sleep  in the wet spot. 
                      38. A cucumber won't work your crossword in ink. 
                      39. A cucumber isn't allergic to your cat. 
                      40. Cucumbers never answer your phone or borrow your car. 
                      41. A cucumber won't eat all your food or drink all your liquor. 
                      42. A cucumber doesn't turn your bathroom into a library. 
                      43. Cucumbers won't go through your medicine chest. 
                      44. A cucumber doesn't use your toothbrush, roll-on or hairspray. 
                      45. Cucumbers won't leave dirty shorts on the floor. 
                      46. A cucumber never forgets to flush the toilet. 
                      47. A cucumber doesn't flush the toilet while you're in the shower. 
                      48. With a cucumber, the toilet seat is always the way you left it. 
                      49. Cucumbers don't compare you to a centerfold. 
                      50. Cucumbers won't tell you they liked you better with long hair. 
                      51. A cucumber will never leave you for another man, another woman or another cucumber. 
                      52. You will always know where your cucumber has been. 
                      53. A cucumber never has to call 'the wife'. 
                      54. Cucumbers won't tell you a vasectomy will ruin it for them. 
                      55. You can have as many cucumbers as you can handle. 
                      56. You only eat cucumbers when you feel like it. 
                      57. You don't have to wait for halftime to talk to your cucumber. 
                      58. A cucumber won't leave town on New Years Eve. 
                      59. Cucumbers never want to take you home to mom. 
                      60. Cucumbers never expect you to have little cucumbers. 
                      61. It's easy to drop a cucumber. 
                      62. A cucumber will never contest a divorce, demand a property settlement or seek custody of anything."

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                        [–]Avenger_of_Justice[S] 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        "A handgun gives a better blowjob than your sister"

                        [–]Secretively 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        ... But your sister is safer around guns

                        [–]Gatazkar 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        What hypocrisy? Only Democrats can be tyrants, Republicans are proud freedom fighters!/s

                        [–]Patari2600 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        As a non crazy gun owner these signs this pisses me off just as much. You guys are just making the case against gun ownership for everyone else please stop!

                        [–]Gatazkar 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        As a fellow gun owner, these signs also piss me off. What pisses me off more is government officials toeing the line of an idiotic base for votes.

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                          [–]almightywhacko 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          Its the same group of people that screamed for Kathy Griffin's firing while being completely fine with people hanging effigies of Obama repeatedly over the last 8 years.

                          I mean, according to these people shit is only wrong it is goes against their personal ideals.

                          [–]swiftlyslowfast 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Quick hide that! republicans are trying to pass it off like they never had hateful rhetoric against Obama for all 8 years with racism cherries on top.

                          I mean we are so mean to pick on Trump for his horrible policies and corruption, now Obama deserved the mockery he was black/s

                          [–]NewbSaysRawr 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                          Ugh, I can't stand the people that shit talk Obama just to shit talk Obama. We get it, you don't know anything about politics but down talking a successful black man with authority makes you feel better about having not finished high school.

                          I may be projecting a little. But everyone knows the type of people I'm talking about. If you're gonna dislike the man, dislike him for legitimate reasons.

                          EDIT - I GET IT. It's not 100% a race thing, but if you see a pickup truck with "get out Obama" and "go back to where you came from" bumper stickers, we have a pretty safe bet of where this persons reasoning is pointing. I'm not saying everyone that opposes Obama is this way, but certainly in the south among proud southerners that violently oppose Obama, it's more common. Especially with someone that think's it's funny to joke about gun violence against anyone that thinks differently from them.

                          [–]sintos-compa 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          That's what I always say when someone on the right complains about <Obamas Policy> and they run out of arguments. it's not really about <policy>, it's about having a n****r in chief, isn't it?

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                              [–]SentencedToBirth99 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              That is what the second amendment is for though...

                              [–]Avenger_of_Justice[S] 446 ポイント447 ポイント  (126子コメント)

                              So was the guy who shot up the baseball field just taking the advice of Senator Rand Paul?

                              [–]Victorian_Astronaut 355 ポイント356 ポイント  (67子コメント)

                              Silly liberal only Democrats can be tyrannical!

                              [–]Avenger_of_Justice[S] 162 ポイント163 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                              Ahh crap. I forgot that rule. Seriously they talk shit like this, then act all pissy when someone takes their advice. Do you really think you want to encourage people to shoot government officials? Oh ok you do. Well... Hope that doesn't come back to bite you.

                              [–]moderndaycassiusclay 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              In their eyes, he's attacking the wrong people because their on my team so it doesn't count.

                              [–]gurry 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              In their eyes, he's attacking the wrong people because their on my team so it doesn't count.

                              There, there.

                              [–]Oscar--Goldman 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                              Wonder if this will play into the shooters defense

                              [–]Avenger_of_Justice[S] 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              I was gonna say "Well I guess its worth a shot" but I realised as I was typing it that it would be downvoted for appearing like a shitty pun.

                              But it would be one of the few plausible (don't think thats the most accurate word) defenses you could use.

                              [–]BradleyB636 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Probably not, since he's dead.

                              Edit: added link.

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                                [–]Chronic_BOOM 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                /r/all here. Do you guys truly believe there's only one side calling for violence against the other? Like if I were to google 'liberal calls for violence' I wouldn't find anything?

                                [–]baalroo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                From currently sitting senators? I'm not a subscriber here either, and I'm not a (D), but I'd say generally speaking it's usually the republicans spouting "keep the government in check via citizen violence" stuff like this.

                                [–]w00t692 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                That is literally what the 2nd amendment is for though. That is the exact ideology behind it. It's not so much a call to arms as it is a statement of commonly held interpretation of the 2nd amendment. Sure it's ironic, but so are many things.

                                [–]EricSchC1fr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Independent progressive here...

                                Do you really think the left does (or advocates for) this sort of thing anywhere near as much as the right?

                                Do you think that, after being painted as nonviolent, anti-2nd amendment pacifists, this is actually a common​thing for the someone from the left to do?

                                Do you realize that it was the current president and de facto leader of the Republican party who called for violence against the opposing political ideology during the campaign?

                                Do you realize that more mass shootings in the last 40 years have been perpetrated by people of socially conservative ideology?

                                Do you think that, maybe more attention and resources invested in mental healthcare just might have prevented this event?

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                                  [–]DatAperture 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (38子コメント)

                                  Because only democrats support mass theft through taxes! And taking money for social services is the greatest injustice this earth has ever known.

                                  -Libertarians

                                  [–]FirstTimeWang 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  When discussing Universal Healthcare in a committee hearing with Bernie, Rand Paul literally theorized that it would lead to doctors being taken from their homes in the dark of night by gestapo-like police and forced to heal people at gunpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXwDMqjC-A

                                  I know that at the end of the day fuckers like Rand Paul are not actually interested investigating real-world solutions but it just blows me away that they can concoct these elaborate far-fetched nightmare scenarios and more importantly, get away with it and have that insane world view validated, when THE REST OF THE DEVELOPED WORLD HAS ALREADY DONE IT AND IT WAS FINE.

                                  [–]Pablo_el_Tepianx 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  They don't seem to have realised who it is that dystopian fiction is writing about.

                                  [–]KickItNext 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  You should've seen the libertarian sub defending rand Paul saying that stuff. They blamed Bernie for calling it a right, apparently that's why rand thinks it equates to literal slavery at gunpoint.

                                  [–]Oscar--Goldman 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  I like social services and am glad to contribute. For example, I couldn't imagine living in a country without social services for the elderly, the elderly would literally be dying on our streets without the social services our government provides.

                                  [–]iprobablyneedahobby 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Plus, imagine the crime, prostitution, etc. if there was no social assistance either.

                                  [–]Victorian_Astronaut 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                  I'm going to upvote you...

                                  Because I think it's important that the universe understands Libertarians in many ways are worse than Republicans.

                                  [–]Avenger_of_Justice[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  You a word

                                  [–]jvnk 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                  I don't see how. There's a gradient to all this, but for the most part Libertarians are socially liberal and agree some modicum of governance and public services where necessary.

                                  Republicans on the other hand represent a net gain of government in our social lives, military misadventures and the exact sort of public/private conflict of interest that creates the problems people mistake for problems with capitalism itself.

                                  [–]koryface 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                  I know a few libertarians that don't think the government should even build roads, fund police, etc. They think all taxation is theft, period. That's how they can be worse.

                                  [–]khalfrodo34 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                  Lol a friend of mine thinks that the government should be reduced to just the courts, the police, and the military.

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                                      [–]user_82650 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      At least libertarianism is based on some consistent principles, even if they're wrong.

                                      Republicans who repeat libertarian slogans about government being inherently evil and wanting personal freedom, then go on to become the government and start passing laws based on their personal beliefs, are the worst of both worlds.

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                                        [–]xsp4rrow 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                        Is our government Tyrannical??

                                        [–]MercyOfTheWeak 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                        When it's the other side it's terrorism, when it's mine, it's fighting tyranny. How preemptively trigger-happy can you get?

                                        [–]Avenger_of_Justice[S] 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Its easy when you assume god is blessing everything you choose to do.

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                                          [–]suseu 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          What are you trying to say? It was right thing to do?

                                          [–]StudyABrod 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          The 2nd amendment is their to defend against a tyrannical government. We don't have a tyranical government, as much as you may disagree with Trump's agenda. If you are going to blame this on Rand Paul, wouldn't some blame also fall to the Ceasear at the Park plays sponsored by the NYT, or Kathy Griffins "art" stunt for that matter? If you listen to the republicans most of them aren't blaming this on Sanders or gun control, but the guys obvious mental issues. At least the conservatives I listen to, Ben Shapiro, Michael Barry, Andrew Klavan, etc.

                                          [–]EffYourCouch 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                          I hope you realize this wasn't a quote from Senator Paul. This was one of his aides live tweeting someone else saying this. Specifically Judge Napolitano

                                          [–]Avenger_of_Justice[S] 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                          He just put it on his twitter account to show how strongly it doesn't represent his feelings, right?

                                          [–]EffYourCouch 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                          It was a LIVE TWEET, as in tweeting in real time...his aide was LIVE TWEETING what Napolitano was saying.

                                          [–]hpdefaults[🍰] 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                          And he's had, you know, a FULL YEAR since then to take it down if it was something he didn't agree with.

                                          [–]Avenger_of_Justice[S] 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                          Which Rand Paul strongly disagrees with, right?

                                          [–]fishpillow 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Who can know. It's whatever is convenient.

                                          [–]Yujhgt123 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I would bet that he did agree with it, and still does. Rand Paul might not agree with you ideologically, but he is not a hypocrite. I guarantee he does not come out as anti-gun after all this nonsense is over. He understood the risks when he took office, and he still respects the rights of his citizens even at the risk of his own life.

                                          [–]helmholtz_uchi 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Wow, getting really pissy about somebody calling out the fact that your post misrepresents the nature of the tweet...

                                          [–]Debasers_Comics 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Nothing pissy about the comment you're responding to.

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                                                  [–]Dursurgurn 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                  He is actually right though.

                                                  [–]Saiing 283 ポイント284 ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                  I'm confused. He's 100% correct. The second amendment was originally specified as the right to bear arms in part to offer a way for civilians to resist oppression, ostensibly from an overbearing government.

                                                  Even I know this, and I'm not even American. Do you study your own history?

                                                  [–]Agnostix 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                  Of course he's correct. No one is doubting the legitimacy of what he stated.

                                                  The second amendment was conceived to be purely defensive, and state's rights to form militias come in as a close second in the list of shit we can theoretically do to fend off oppressive government.

                                                  I think the problem is more with RP's word choice. "Shoot at the government" sounds crass and hickish. So, while I can't stand the mere sight of Mr. Paul, his tweet is on the money while still being not very well worded.

                                                  [–]PrettyTarable 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  Yes we do, and the second amendment was created not to defend against tyranny, but to defend the country. At the time the United States had no standing army and the founding fathers didn't want one for fear that a tyrannical president or general could use it against the country. So their solution was to ensure local policy couldn't be to ban weapons so that way if the USA was invaded again they would be able to call up a militia and have people show up with weapons because they couldn't afford to hand them out. This policy was outdated even by the war of 1812 and was pretty much ignored until the gun rights movement was kicked off by lobbyists in the 1980s. The current narrative about it being an individual right to self defense and a check against our own standing army is just savvy marketing to sell guns with fear. Small arms are no check against a modern military, and the current narrative requires ignoring the entire first sentence of the amendment to make any sense. This is why many folks no longer even know the amendment is longer than "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". The NRA used to have the entire amendment on its wall at it's headquarters for example, when the lobbyists took it over the first thing they did was remove it.

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                                                    [–]preying__mantis 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    wow, your battery is at 100%?

                                                    [–]WeirdBattery 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    That is the point of the second amendment

                                                    [–]houseofhamez 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                    Yep, but right wingers are going crazy yelling about how this one man's actions reflect badly on all dems.

                                                    [–]Avenger_of_Justice[S] 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                    But he's white? Doesn't that make him a lone wolf with mental issues?

                                                    [–]houseofhamez 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Yeah, that's always the case when it's a conservative/republican.

                                                    [–]revolution_123 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                    Conservatives believe people with mental illness should be allowed to have guns...

                                                    Proof: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/senate-republicans-vote-expand-gun-access-mentally-impaired

                                                    [–]warfrogs 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                    I'm getting my doctorate in counseling psychology. Until they've committed a crime felony, there is absolutely no legal or ethical backing for taking firearms from innocent people and the idea only stigmatizes getting treatment for mental health issues further.

                                                    Acting as if it's only conservatives who back this ignores that the ACLU similarly denounces gun confiscation for people with mental illnesses. They go on to note that people with mental illnesses are more likely to be victims of crimes than the perpetrators

                                                    Preserving the civil liberties of all people, even those with mental illnesses, is a good thing.

                                                    [–]rocketvat 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Doesn't this guy have a record?

                                                    [–]warfrogs 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Correct.

                                                    Hodgkinson has a varied arrest record in St. Clair County, for offenses such as failing to obtain electrical permits, damaging a motor vehicle, resisting a peace officer, eluding police, criminal damage to property, driving under the influence and assorted traffic offenses.

                                                    I'm not sure that any of those are felony charges so he may still have been legally permitted to have a gun.

                                                    Edit: Googling about and it appears as if they're all misdemeanors so he legally had every right to that firearm from what I can tell.

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                                                      [–]Avenger_of_Justice[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Yeah so he's one of the good guys right?

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                                                            [–]Honeybadger200 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (104子コメント)

                                                            Let's go through this logically.

                                                            What is his advice? Shoot up the government when it's tyrannical.

                                                            Is the government Tyranical? No, no it is not at the moment

                                                            Was it okay to shoot according to this quote? Only an idiot would assume that this shooting can be justified using the Rand Paul quote.

                                                            [–]steveotheguide 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (96子コメント)

                                                            I feel like, "is the government tyrannical?" Is sort of a matter of opinion. And that you can't just say yes it is, or no it's not yet.

                                                            People are obviously going to have different opinions on how tyranical the government is. And if the solution to tyrant is gunfire then people are going to have different opinions on when it's time to start shooting.

                                                            [–]Honeybadger200 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (88子コメント)

                                                            Yes but you would have to be legally insane to believe that the government is tyrannical at the moment.

                                                            [–]GrumpyAtheist 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (86子コメント)

                                                            Maybe, but just barely. Let's hypothesize/have a thought experiment (and I know NOTHING of the shooter) that he has a severe medical condition and he is only able to get coverage because of Obamacare. An Obamacare repeal would cause him to lose his medical insurance, be unable to pay for treatment, so he gets worse and dies.

                                                            To him, a repeal of Obamacare without an adequate replacement is a DEATH sentence. In his eyes, the House GOP just voted to murder him. It only takes a little bit of crazy to react the way he did. All that Obamacare death panel shit is real if you take away this much coverage (including the cuts to medicare/medicaid).

                                                            Was it extreme? Absolutely. Was it justified? Depends where you draw the line on where government tyranny starts.

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                                                                  [–]Acrimmon 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  This is literally the whole point of the 2nd Amendment. People associate it with the Sporting Purposes Clause, but that's not why it exists.

                                                                  [–]LilithTheSly 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                  I mean he's not technically wrong, he's just a massive asshole. I fucked up reading

                                                                  [–]Tsukubasteve 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                  The attack was cowardly, I think Rand Paul meant a utopian rebellion of the majority against tyranny, or a bloodless coup, not a lone gunman at a ball diamond.

                                                                  But it begs the question of how does one attempt to kill a politician honorably? If threatened they hide behind the meat of the police and military.

                                                                  [–]Augustus420 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                  There wouldn't be a honorable way of doing it even if it were justified. I actually agree with Rand here, that is the original al intent of the amendment and I still think it's an incredibly important right. However I think people need to remember what an insurgency against the US military looks like because that's what overthrowing our government would be.

                                                                  [–]xxsilence 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                  You're completely right and people are blowing this year old quote out of context. We have a second amendment because our country was founded on citizens taking up arms against what they viewed as a tyrannical government they had to put a stop to by fighting a war against the British military. It's the basis of our ability to be free from England. Protecting that right was massively important to the founding fathers. The second amendment is about protecting the ability of citizens to take up arms and fight a war against a military to defend freedom.

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                                                                    [–]ultralame 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    It's so nice we have Twitter. Now people and shitty/lazy news organizations don't even have to take quotes out of context anymore, Twitter forces you to make your own out-of-context sound bites! Winning!

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                                                                      [–]derpes 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      That IS the basis behind the second amendment, isn't it?

                                                                      [–]cwatt23 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                      Out of context but good try

                                                                      [–]JazzParrot 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                      What's the context?

                                                                      [–]Valkonn 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                      If a government becomes tyrannical and needs to be overthrown, the people need guns.

                                                                      Our government today is not tyrannical. We still have elections and rule of law. Trump is getting blocked by the courts, is being investigated, and is essentially a lame duck.

                                                                      So because the government is not tyrannical, it is not justified to shoot innocent congressmen.

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                                                                        [–]Orianntal 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        CMV (change my view)

                                                                        Protection for my family and myself includes protection from police /unruly government. In the event of overthrowing, our constitution allows us to defend our liberty through the right to bare guns. The top reponses are idiotic, disregarding a blatant misuse of our bill of rights. Bad people can kill, disturbed people can kill. We make it easier for them with guns. But without arming ourselves, we are powerless against forces with guns, including disturbed forces of government.

                                                                        [–]acbagel 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        ... Umm, he is 100% right there. That's what the 2nd Amendment was for. What is the issue here? How is that intolerant?

                                                                        [–]JewPewTurd 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                        Wait, do people not understand that this is the basic principle behind the 2nd Amendment?

                                                                        [–]shivore 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        This has nothing to do with "the Right" it merely has to do with having a basic understanding of American History.

                                                                        [–]witwats 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                                        What part of 2nd Amendment don't you understand?

                                                                        This was written when the government was British Military Law and was solely intended to prevent any government from becoming too powerful and using arms control to force their will on free Americans.

                                                                        [–]perdair 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                        That is EXACTLY why the 2nd amendment was written. Dr. Paul has it exactly right.

                                                                        [–]teskedsgumman 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Does that make Rand Paul a time traveler?

                                                                        [–]Avenger_of_Justice[S] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                        Jesus man, I think its in poor taste to justify a terrorist attack with the constitution.

                                                                        [–]ProSoDesign2 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Reading all of your replies in this thread... you're such a fucking moron. Nobody is justifying anything, just pointing out that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. So many people clearly explaining everything but you argue with everyone to push your agenda. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with a super happy legal fun revolution patriot time. It's literally just to ensure people have a last resort measurement to protect themselves from oppression. For the masses to get to that point, things would seem quite hopeless and obvious that a violent revolution would be necessary, it would be civil war, the law would no longer apply. The masses don't feel that way, because things aren't like that. One crazy guy shot someone, just like crazy people sometimes do. But you're the one who made this dumb fucking post so you open yourself to criticism from people who actually know what the fuck they're talking about. Now feel free to reply with some more dumb useless bullshit.

                                                                        [–]endlesswaveofwhat 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Nobody is justifying the shooting yesterday using the Constitution. I think most people are trying to point out how unrelated the two events are. You seem to be the one pushing the narrative that people are somehow defending the shooter by invoking the 2nd amendment. People are defending Rand Pauls statement, because its the truth. What parts of that justifies yesterday's shooting?

                                                                        [–]zombiehog 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                        His tweet was from a year ago, kind of hard to justify a shooting a year in advance.

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                                                                          [–]brokkoli 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                          This sub is fucking deranged. You are not living under a tyranical government, you dumdums. The president is under investigation ffs, he's being blocked by the courts, there is open opposition everywhere you look. How can you guys be this stupid?

                                                                          [–]flyboy3B2 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          I don't understand the issue here? I mean, he's wrong that they're not to shoot at deer; they're also for that. But the second amendment really is so we, the American People, have a nuclear option. You fucking fools. You hate Trump, as we all should, really, but you don't understand that we may need these things to ensure we're not pushed too far. We have a government of shitbags on both sides who don't give a flying fuck about us. The Supreme Court says armed revolt is unjustifiable so long as we have free elections and trials by jury. Well, our election was fucked with by a third party and the laws that are upheld by those trials by jury are created by corrupt shitbags who set the laws up to protect themselves and their corporate overlords. So really, when will you finally accept that maybe guns are still necessary? Our free election was compromised, and our trials by jury are rigged against us from the start. In my view, we should exhaust all possible approaches for government reformation before taking up arms, but we need that option on the table. When all else fails, the only real power we will have is the threat of violence against those who want to control us. If we give up our only means of enforcing that threat, we might as well just surrender all liberty out of the gate. No thanks. That's not the America I grew up in and it's not the America I thought I was serving when I spent 8 years in the Army. No. Fucking. Thank you. Pull your goddamn heads out of your asses, people.

                                                                          [–]little_evil6 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          It's the truth though. It's to protect yourselves and your neighbors from tyrannical rule.

                                                                          [–]_Not_Bruce_Wayne_ 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                                                          I mean, he isn't wrong. the only problem is we're in the future. Do you think if the citizens of the U.S. decided to wage a war against the largest most powerful fucking military on the planet, it would be anything other than a massacre?

                                                                          The only sensible solution is to make military-grade weapons available for public purchase /s

                                                                          [–]Gaslov 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          Soldiers aren't mindless. They don't like the rich political class any more than you do.

                                                                          [–]_Not_Bruce_Wayne_ 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          That's actually exactly why my brother got out of the military, he found it way too political, and when he spent his time in the desert, the only thing he could do is look around and ask, "What the fuck are we even doing out here?"

                                                                          [–]endlesswaveofwhat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          It's not the largest military, just the biggest budget.

                                                                          [–]_Not_Bruce_Wayne_ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          True, I didn't mean most members, but the most powerful for sure

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                                                                            [–]Valkonn 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            He's right and you're an idiot if you think this justifies the shooting. The government is not tyrannical, just because you lost one election doesn't mean you can start killing the opposition.

                                                                            A government is tyrannical when it no longer holds elections (or holds fake elections) and no longer recognizes the rights of the people. I don't know about you, but I haven't seen people being lined up and executed just yet.

                                                                            [–]Lol_regressive_tears 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                            This is quickly becoming one of my favorite cringe subs. Everything that they post is so hyperbolic and taken out of context just to retain minimum support/interest in the useful idiot sjw crowd. Everyday several times a day all those who voted for trump while plugging their nose get vindication and validation of who they were voting against. It's great, the more they show themselves the less people like them!!

                                                                            [–]jeff1328 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                            This was the only guy who came out and publicly supported withdrawing from the Paris Accord to bring back coal jobs. FFS....

                                                                            [–]GammaPoison 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            I mean he's not wrong. The second amendment states people can own guns "being necessary to the security of a free State." In no way was Rand associating his comments with any politically motivated lunatic and actions of those in the future. Just keep in mind, Rand is a strict constitutionalist and he's probably one of the most liked Republicans, especially among younger people. He's not advocating violence just presenting his interpretation.

                                                                            [–]WateredDown 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            By posting this, OP, you seem to think that those shot were tyrants.

                                                                            Are you saying that we should not strike back at autocratic, fascist systems with violence?

                                                                            Now I don't think Republicans are tyrants, as much as they want to be, so the shooting for me was an act not only despicable and illegal but a setback for efforts to resist the far-right.

                                                                            But you, OP, seem to think differently about the state of the country. If the rule of law has fallen as you feel, what other option do we have?

                                                                            [–]1Pseudonym1 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            First of all, the right never claimed to be "tolerant" the way the left claims. Secondly, he is correct. The reasoning behind 2A is to prevent a tyrant from complete control. The first thing Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, the emperor of Japan, ever did was take away guns and swords to make the people powerless and unable to stop their government. Hence 2A

                                                                            [–]ShillinTheVillain 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            It would be much easier today given how freely stupid people already want to surrender the right to bear arms.

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                                                                              [–]goldenshowers420 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                              "Uhh, sir... Do you see this in the foreseeable future?"

                                                                              [–]zetsubou_sensei 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                              I don't see what this post is getting at. This is the reason for the second amendment. It was created for the protection of the people from the government.

                                                                              [–]barawo33 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                              Imagine being one of his staffers.

                                                                              Staffer: Um Sir. I'm not sure if you remember this Tweet but well....you can read it.

                                                                              [–]Avenger_of_Justice[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              "Where do these nutjobs get these ideas from?!?"

                                                                              "Uhh... From you, sir?"

                                                                              [–]Logicalist 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Yeah, him or the founding fathers. Whichever.

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                                                                                [–]heglocke2 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                To be fair though, that is the exact reason. The question is, what does that say about the GOP when they get attacked like that?

                                                                                [–]Pope_Urban_ll 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Are you saying he's wrong? Because he's not.

                                                                                [–]A_Change_of_Seasons 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Who has ever called the right tolerant? They know that they're nothing but selfish bigots, and they're proud of it.

                                                                                [–]BallerOconnel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Lol that is 100% what the second amendment is for

                                                                                [–]Kablam1ty 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                I don't understand the issue..that's literally why it was instilled

                                                                                [–]Syrionus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                This is why the forefathers of the country created the second amendment. They just through dealing with England trying to oppress them. They understood that if it happened once, it could happen again.

                                                                                This is also an unfair assessment because I have friends on the right who are very tolerant. Though to be fair, the loud leadership of both parties make both of the parties look bad, so I can see where each party thinks less of each other.

                                                                                [–]MagicJava 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                I mean he's right isn't he?

                                                                                [–]Privateaccount84 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Your second amendment is so that if the government starts shooting at YOU, you can shoot back in SELF DEFENSE.

                                                                                [–]TexanMcDaniel 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                I mean that is in fact the reason we have the 2nd

                                                                                [–]joy-dvsn 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                To be fair...that is the point of the Second Amendment...

                                                                                [–]PM_me_your_GW_gun 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Rand is 100% correct, that is the reason.

                                                                                [–]Helmuth-Von-Moltke 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                I love how this lacks all context to try score political points over an attempted mass murder of elected officials. It is honestly in bad taste and OP should feel bad as should this entire sub for upvoting it. This tweet may or may not reflect his views, I don't know but firstly, it is true, the second amendment isn't about hunting... If you support the second amendment great, if you don't great, if you don't care great but don't lie about why it exists. Second this was reporting someone elses words, not expressing Rands own views on the subject.

                                                                                [–]RagingNixon 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                Seriously, whether you're you're for or against Trump, FUCK ALL OF THESE ANNOYING POSTS. find another website to ruin with your political BS.

                                                                                [–]didibreakityet 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Lol way to pass blame to the right when your bernie-loving associate shot at Republicans on purpose.

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