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Trump DramaSecret Hitler creators release a Trump administration expansion pack. A user in /r/boardgames is less than pleased with the censorship he is receiving for expressing his views. (self.SubredditDrama)

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[–]aplaceatthedq 222 ポイント223 ポイント  (38子コメント)

the downvote button is there specifically for things you disagree with or dont like

as if a million downvote icon tooltip texts cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

[–]Akortquantum sexual supply chain theory of human sexual exchange 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Tbh has any sub ever used it differently?

[–]unomalyfuck you rick berman! 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Saw that thread earlier and tried to drop this comment but, yeah reddit says how up/down votes are supposed to be used in the TOS. Anyone whos been here longer than a week knows thats a pipe dream.

[–]hrtfthmttr 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not that it's a pipe dream. It's that "contributes to discussion" is an extremely personal and vague directive. If an asshole comes along and starts spewing anti-Semitic garbage in an argument about the morality of cultural tendencies to the financial profession, that is easily "contributing to the discussion," and I'm sure as hell going to downvote. Moreover, if my goal is to promote discussion I think is worthy, 90% of the time in 90% of subs I'm going to downvote ideas that I don't think deserve prominence.

The idea that downvote /= disagree is not about pipe dreams. It's about the definition of what you value. Good luck asking people to elevate what they specifically don't value.

[–]rosechiffon#buypurposeonitunes 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i personally downvote everything because it does not contribute to the conversation i have with myself about how naruto turned out amazing with the hand that he was given in life.

[–]leadnpotatoesI ❤️ PGH > NYC 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good luck asking people to elevate what they specifically don't value.

I typically don't value things I disagree with, QED.

[–]hrtfthmttr 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now you are getting it!

[–]GaryTheKrampus 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (3子コメント)

More than a pipe dream, it's a straight-up bad idea.

If you the redditor choose to do "the right thing" and use voting to reinforce content quality instead of ideology you agree with, you're deliberately putting yourself at a disadvantage by giving those who disagree with you a free pass to make your content less visible by downvoting. How do you know they're going to downvote what they disagree with? Because if they didn't, they would be putting themselves at a disadvantage versus you. Reddit is literally a gigantic multi-million-player prisoner's dilemma.

The reddiquette is an absolute joke. The admins are betting that good feelings and best wishes are going to beat out Game Theory 101. Blows my fuckin mind that they even pretend to try.

[–]apteryxmantelli 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Admins are Liber-fucking-tarians with a capital 'L' who have this utopic vision of the site where everyone behaves with rational self interest and the free market means everything works out roses, which works until you realise that the site is full of fart-sniffing STEM majors, overly critical assholes and genuine white supremacists who are all so convinced they've got it all worked out that other viewpoints can shut the fuck up.

TL,DR: DAE le redditors?

[–]GaryTheKrampus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean it's not even that.

Putting aside the idiosyncrasies of the userbase for a moment, any user on any social media platform wants their content to be seen. That's just the point of social media. So on reddit, if every user behaves with rational self-interest... They'll all downvote content they don't want to be seen. But the admins didn't want that, so instead of fixing the mechanics of the site, they wrote a nice little essay about why you should be nice. Yeah, that should do it.

Same with "vote brigading." It's against the TOS, it's against the rules, but... It's totally undetectable and it's in users' best self-interests. And to make matters worse, the admins have put vote brigading in this sort of grey area where they say it needs to stop but refuse to actually do anything about it, either to prevent it or to make it verifiable when it happens. So they've handed every user a get-out-of-feedback-free card where they can make unfalsifiable claims that any rejection of their content is invalid, totally defeating the point of the voting system. And it would be so easy to fix, too: give users aggregate metrics of what sorts of users are voting on their content. There, no more brigading. I fixed your stupid site, /u/spez. I'll be expecting my check in the mail.

[–]NehEma 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Prisoner's dilemma 2.0

[–]WorseThanHipsterI'm Cuckoo for Cuckold Puffs! 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (5子コメント)

/r/drama will upvote anyone just for being a dickhead regardless of their political leanings. they're very progressive.

[–]HAHApointsatyou 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

upvoted

[–]WorseThanHipsterI'm Cuckoo for Cuckold Puffs! 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

my phone don't spell good

[–]HAHApointsatyou 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

no i was letting you know i upvoted you progressively for being a dickhead regardless of your political leanings, but you ruined the joke now thanks a lot

also, upvoted again

[–]WorseThanHipsterI'm Cuckoo for Cuckold Puffs! 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

shit doubly fucked up ;_; 🔫

[–]HAHApointsatyou 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

you can't do anything right

[–]BrokenBuckets 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (9子コメント)

The few subs that manage to stay agenda free do sure, namely /r/history and /r/science

[–]Akortquantum sexual supply chain theory of human sexual exchange 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Kinda true but those subs are also very heavily moderated. There is nothing wrong with that, it's probably neccesary if you want the discussion to be more than memes. However that kind of moderation don't fit most subs.

[–]general_tictac 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (7子コメント)

R/history is barely moderated at all. Unsourced pop history drivel gets upvoted to the top all the time and all ww2 threads are goldmines of Nazi apologia. You're thinking of r/askhistorians.

[–]Sphen5117nothing you just said didn't make me angry 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sadly, hardly.

[–]Bofij 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Th downvote button is there for irrelevant information.

[–]aplaceatthedq 107 ポイント108 ポイント  (8子コメント)

The downvote button is there so you can make those memes on me_irl where all the identical posts in a chain are upvoted except one is inexplicably downvoted.

[–]dogdiarrhea 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Cat.

[–]leadnpotatoesI ❤️ PGH > NYC 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Goddamnit just a smidge too long for a flair.

[–]AnimatronicJesus 103 ポイント104 ポイント  (4子コメント)

SIR? ARE YOU ATTEMPTING TO CENSOR ME RIGHT NOW?

[–]JaneAngernice misuse of your semicolon, you blubbering simpleton 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (2子コメント)

AM I BEING RESTRAINED?

[–]DominkoI DO have a 180 IQ and I have tested it on MANY IQ websites 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (1子コメント)

AM I BEING DOWNVOTED?

[–]PenisdenapoleonIt's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know? 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"What is your name sir?" "Diss Traction." "Distraction from what? Are you censoring me?!"

[–]Felinomancy 271 ポイント272 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You know guys, part of facism is censoring dissenting views. You might want to consider that before reflexively hitting the downvote button.

As evidenced in Hitler's Night of the Long Downvotes, where dissenters of the Nazi regime were systematically downvoted.

But seriously, damn free speechers tend to whine the loudest at the expression of free speech. Guess what idiots, me slamming the down on your face because I don't want to hear you is also free speech.

[–]NimonicIs this flairable? If so, please... 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Night of the Long Downvotes shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone. Hitler planned it all when he was banned, even as he wrote Mein Karma.

[–]larrylemur(✿☯‿☯✿) She said, "Ok, I'm impressed!" (✿☯‿☯✿) 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If someone had just gilded Hitler's OC back in the day he never would have entered politics!

[–]threehundredthousandNazi divas need love too. 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"You're the real Hitler." - Hitler

[–]TrangerIf you have to ask, you're a premodernist. 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

1 downvote=1 censorship

[–]ScheherazadeX 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mein fuhrer! Mein freeze peaches!

[–]PenisdenapoleonIt's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know? 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Remember when Reddit even tried to act like downvotes were only for things that didn't contribute to discussion? Neither do I.

[–]shufny 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It kind of works on some subs, but it's very rare.

[–]PenisdenapoleonIt's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know? 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The best I can think of is stuff like SubredditSimulator, where you upvote "good" simulations and downvote "bad" ones.

[–]Akortquantum sexual supply chain theory of human sexual exchange 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah but the content is quite litteraly created by bots.

[–]PenisdenapoleonIt's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know? 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, that's just a t_d conspiracy. /s

[–]InOranAsElsewhereBot's Rights Activist (BRA) 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which is why it's the best sub on this entire website.

[–]xjayrooxNote to self:stop wasting time with atheists, they're all trolls 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (0子コメント)

BLOCKING YOUR EARS WHILE I SHOUT INSANITY AT YOU IS CENSORSHIP

[–]CranberrySchnapps 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Downvotes /= censorship

Yes it is. That's the whole point. Once a comment gets enough downvotes, it becomes hidden. What would you call that besides censorship? Its frustrating because the purpose of downvotes is to censor spam, or off topic comments. Unfortunately its used to attack dissenting opinions.

Ah yes, the "muh freeze peaches means you have to listen to me!" argument. Let's see how that works out for him...

[–]BolshevikMuppet 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes it is. That's the whole point. Once a comment gets enough downvotes, it becomes hidden. What would you call that besides censorship?

A private group within a private organization being able to organize information and speech in the way they'd like.

The content is still there, all it takes is an extra click. But here we have the fundamental mistake of modern "censorship" discussion: it mistakes being denied a platform, a megaphone, owned by someone else for actually being censored.

And, no, it's not limited to asinine Trump supporters.

[–]shufny 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The ethical question could still be discussed regardless of legality, since there are a lot of self-proclaimed "free speech absolutists" parading that poor quote around. My bigger issue is that I've yet to meet one that bothered to form a coherent argument on how and why they get to exclude things like slander from "absolute" or what does "having the right" exactly mean to them.

[–]kingmanic 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's less a stupid view point as it is a tactic. They don't give a fuck about free speech, it's a tactic to fight moderation. Because they aren't attempting to shout into the void but instead shift the window of what is acceptable towards their end. Thus they spaz out at people who are are progressive or want to talk about social issues. Then they make it unpleasant enough so those people go away. They brigade, they use tiresome copy and paste rants, to take more of your time to waste it in petty fights.

Then they casual put out racism, misogyny, and hate. Over time lightly moderated subs becomes shit holes of hate and not going along with the new normal gets attacked.

It's not by accident that high quality subs need ruthless moderation, even there they push limits and try to get around moderation. It's also why they want hard rules so they know roughly how far then can push and bend them. It why they hate fuzzy moderation rules.

It's not by accident that subs like r Canada slowly slide into alt rightism and it takes a whole other center left metasub to push back.

A lot of it is coordinated off site and a lot of it goes back a long ways (usenet). It's not a recent thing but they've been especially successful at intimidating, exhasting or coopting reddit mod teams. Admins don't want to be draconian enough to fix it either.

[–]MilesBeyond250 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Honestly I'm more likely to look at a post if it's been heavily downvoted

[–]PandemultGod knew what he was doing, buttholes are really nice. 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know right? If it's hidden I want to read it.

[–]BloomEPUShe doesn't even have tits, lol. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love going to controversial to find the juicy stuff. I don't know why the site has a controversial tab if not for that.

[–]Aetolthings should work the way I misunderstand the rest of the world 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not even reddit or the mods who are deciding to hide his comments. It's the community who is deciding they're not worthy of being seen by downvoting. That's not censorship, that's democracy.

[–]ZekeCool505Smuggest SRDine Alien Ghost Sorceror 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (1子コメント)

TAKING AWAY MY MEGAPHONE IS BLATANT CENSORSHIP! THE ONLY TRUE FREE SPEECH IS EVERYONE LISTENING TO MY BULLSHIT ALL THE TIME!!

[–]PandemultGod knew what he was doing, buttholes are really nice. 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

AND IF YOU PROVIDE COUNTER ARGUMENTS YOU'RE CENSORING ME!

[–]bkragsTakes flippant comments as an opportunity to lecture on wood. 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Freeze peaches at its finest.

[–]lolpancakeslol 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, I thought it was the Libs and le evil SJWs that were offended by everything?

[–]ApexTyrantSubredditDrama's Resident Policy Wonk 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know, I will quote something i was told years ago. If you are prevented from saying what you want under penalty of law that is censorship. If you are prevented from getting an audience for what you want to say thats not censorship, just an unreceptive audience.

[–]NixflynDamage report 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So I kickstarted Secret Hitler and my edition even came with a Trump sticker pack to turn the Hitler card into Trump. This is nothing new. I'll be buying the booster pack too, it looks hilarious.

[–]lasersnake 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

lol if downvotes are censorship then i just censored him a whole bunch of times

On a more serious note, whatever happened to being able to block people? I remember being able to do it in the past, but I cant see the 'block user' button any more.

[–]InOranAsElsewhereBot's Rights Activist (BRA)[M] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do not vote or comment in threads you've found through SRD

This constitutes a violation of both this sub's rules and sitewide rules. You've been banned.

As a reminder to everyone: DO NOT VOTE OR COMMENT IN LINKED THREADS

[–]haxhaxhax1Does downvoting me give some form of perverse pleasure? 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its definately a RES feature. If I try to tag someone there is an ignore slider which blocks their content. Not sure about standard reddit.

[–]IceCreamBalloonsEthics are forged in the fires of flamewar 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I recall, it's only available if they've responded directly to you.

Like most features, it was poorly implemented.

[–]BiomilkBlowjobs are a communist conspiracy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Donald Trump with Mouths for eyes

Well I know what I'll be seeing in my nightmares tonight!

[–]IAmASolipsist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I briefly checked the user's comment history...I'm not sure if I've ever seen someone with such passionate and lengthy views on whether Payton Manning should be president.

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[–]_Mr-Skeltal_thanks for the flair 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wonder why I'm getting this on the archive.org link:

whoa there, pardner!

we're sorry, but you appear to be a bot and we've seen too many requests from you lately. we enforce a hard speed limit on requests that appear to come from bots to prevent abuse.

[–]tingeys 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you using a mobile app? It's given me that error before on reddit is fun.

[–]Aetolthings should work the way I misunderstand the rest of the world 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get the same error on desktop all the time (and yes, on both the links here). It seems to be a common problem with bot-made archives on archive.org.

[–]LilFalcondorf -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upvote this comment (free speech)

[–]LilFalcondorf -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Downvote this comment (censorship)