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Sledgehammer Defends Censoring Nazi Flag (coin-drop.com)

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[–]MrShinyKeys 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Meanwhile Wolfenstein.

[–]Akira1996 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wolfenstein's gonna kick so much ass.

[–]bkfountain 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Will probably be the first time you can gun down Nazis and the KKK in the same game.

[–]xninjagrrl 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

will get my money. COD games suck anyways.

[–]_gravy_train_ 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Am I the only one that doesn't care about this?

I mean, who wouldn't want to play as a black nazi?

[–]Not_Just_You 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Am I the only one

Probably not

[–]smackinov 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is it just me or do I see you everywhere?

[–]Cartman1972 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (22子コメント)

I don't know who wrote this article, but here are some of my thoughts:

In Austria (even if the the author mixed it up with Australia) displaying of Nazi symbols (like the swastika) is forbidden (it's called "Wiederbetätigung"). No matter if it's displayed in a "tasteful manner" or not. Germany has also very strict laws concerning the presentation of Nazi-related material. If the author refers to the swastika looking like a fidget spinner he's a complete lunatic. The swastika stands for multi-million murder of innocent people.

Personally I don't mind if a game playing in WW2 displays Nazi symbols or not, but as I said before - the law does. The whole article sounds like being written by some offended (for whatever reason) 14 year old kid.

[–]PraiseTheSun1997TotalTarkus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Doesn't stop them from just censoring them in those specific countries.

[–]Cartman1972 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Might be too much work on the graphics; I don't know.

[–]PraiseTheSun1997TotalTarkus 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They've done it before. Smaller developers have also done it. They're either taking the lazy route, or pandering. No excuse either way.

[–]TonyStarksLazySusan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

*too lazy on graphics

[–]TonyStarksLazySusan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

*too lazy on graphics

[–]WilloughbyWindjammerredteamsucks 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The swastika stands for multi-million murder of innocent people.

Not exactly, that's just what it's known for in recent history.. It's been around for over 10,000 years through multiple civilizations.

The most recent use is the historical timeline equivalent of 2 hours ago, so that's how it will be remembered for awhile - it has very different meanings going back.

Just saying... totes unrelated tho

Edit for clarification: tl;dr it's associated with what you said, but not what it stands for

[–]Remnantghoul 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a reverse symbol from the mayan/aztec (do not know which) which stands for good luck, but that symbol stands for the death of millions.

[–]greasyjonny -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's always gotta be this guy. Yes we all know the swastica is an ancient symbol, but no one is talking about that, we are discussing specifically the nazi swastica.

[–]WilloughbyWindjammerredteamsucks -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except the specific statement of "the swastika", not "the nazi swastika" is what was said... so that changes the entire statement

[–]greasyjonny 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not when you consider a little thing called context. This is an article about nazi swasticas being featured in a game about world war 2. Buddhist, Islamic, Jewish, Greek or any other ancient culture that utilizes the swastica is not being discussed here. Censoring these other swasitcas is not an idea being put forth. So in a discussion about censoring nazi swasticas and nazi swasticas only, there's no way to make a comment about how swasticas are and ancient symbol used by many cultures, relevant.

[–]OxymoronOxycodone 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Please. You will do nothing but give neo-Nazi's power if you treat them like Lord Voldemort. Nazi's happened and they had Swastikas. You dont go around painting them on shit today but no reasonable person should ever feel obligated to censor them in a WWII era period piece of art/film/media.

[–]Cartman1972 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As for Austria - Theater, pictures, films and so on are defined by law as "Art". So showing swastikas in movies like Indiana Jones is no problem. But video games aren't defined as art, so they can't show nazi symbols. There are always discussions ongoing if games should be art, but at this point games simply aren't. I'm not making the laws, but as all citizens I (or companys) have to live with the laws..

[–]OxymoronOxycodone 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But video games aren't defined as art, so they can't show nazi symbols

Ah I view this as a serious problem. Many games nowadays are basically interactive movies and are certainly art.

But you say "i have to live with them" in a very complacent sad attitude. Surely you dont feel responsible for the sins of your ancestors right? Surely you would be allowed to push for a change in this law right? The only question is, do you want it to be this way? Again I think videogames are, unquestionably, works of art; so if you dont obviously none of my reasoning makes sense to you.

Keeping the swastika as a censored piece of taboo will give it much more power than if it wasnt. I think the censorship contributes to the problem of giving neo-Nazi's power. Swastikas are nothing to be afraid of. They shouldnt be censored.

[–]poopadoopis -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

What's it like living in a country with no concept of freedom of speech?

[–]acexacidGT: St0ne C0ld ET -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What's it like living in a country thats never been ruled by a vile dictator that will go down in history as a mass murderer and now your country has to live with the backlash?

[–]poopadoopis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Doesn't matter. Free speech isn't about protecting inoffensive speech. It's not about being free to say what you want, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone's feelings. The entire concept of free speech is to protect the very worst and most offensive types of expression you can imagine. If you don't, you don't have free speech.

Edit: The primary reason for this, so you understand, is because once you grant the state the power to decide what is too offensive to protect - it's a slippery slope that they can and will abuse to persecute minority opinions.

[–]OxymoronOxycodone 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Europeans really dont understand the concept of free speech in the way Americans do. They think that if its offensive it shouldnt be allowed. Whereas the American ideology is that you protect the speech of people you hate most, because eventually you may find yourself in the group being hated most. Europeans dont understand this concept which is why you see articles of European police showing up at the homes of people who tweet the 'wrong' things. Real dystopian shit goes on over there.

[–]Cartman1972 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You would have to ask that somebody from North Korea.

[–]poopadoopis -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just another country that doesn't have free speech. The only difference between Austria/Germany and North Korea when it comes to the right of free speech is the level of punishment for using it.

[–]ArkenLarper -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's it like living in a country where your president offers to pay legal bills for his followers if they harm people with different opinions?

[–]poopadoopis 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Show me evidence where a sitting president did that and I will tell you.

[–]Slyrunner 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know, because historical accuracy and whatnot

[–]terrorfiskxXTERRORFISKXxx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally accurate for soldiers to rush in with bolt action rifles, jump off a cliff and 360 no scope someone to look cool.

[–]poopadoopis 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is where Political Correctness gets you.

[–]President_Dominy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no defending censorship of history. This is bullshit. I won't be buying the game for this reason.

[–]SS_Downboat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (45子コメント)

Swastikas are removed because they're banned in Germany, and Sledgehammer isn't going to make a separate multiplayer just for Germany. It's not that difficult to comprehend. This article sounds like just another special snowflake gamergater looking for something to be offended over.

Edit: LOL @ the responses "Waaaaaah I'm not offended stop saying I'm offended!"

[–]omgubuntu 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair. Call of Duty 2 censored the german version only, but all players were still able to play with each other. If they were able to do this over 10 years ago, why not now?

[–]MrShinyKeys 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell me about it. Not even just for this but why is it now everyone wants to let developers off so easy for taking the cheap route? Games make way more money now than they did during the previous console generation and I swear we're getting the smallest effort they can throw out. A day one patch was a big deal before, now it's commonplace, microtransactions are almost everywhere, chunks are taken out to be thrown in later so they can act like they did something post launch, and everybody is eating up these $100+ not even complete editions of games.

[–]choboy456choboy999 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

While I understand that it would be weird to make a separate multiplayer for Germany, this is a "historical" game. WWII actually happened and it actually involved Nazis that used swastikas, no amount of PR spin will change that. Is this a huge deal, no, but it also seems weird to remove swastikas in a game about Nazi germany

[–]SS_Downboat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

World War II actually happened. What didn't happen was a handful of gamers running around in a static arena mashing left trigger and right trigger together to make a progress bar go up.

[–]choboy456choboy999 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How sure are you on that because I'm pretty sure that's how was had always been fought

[–]OxymoronOxycodone -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. This will do nothing but give neo-Nazi's power if you treat them like Lord Voldemort. Nazi's happened and they had Swastikas. You dont go around painting them on shit today but no reasonable person should ever feel obligated to censor them in a WWII era period piece of art/film/media. Keeping the swastika as a censored piece of taboo will give it much more power than if it wasnt. I think the censorship contributes to the problem of giving neo-Nazi's power. Swastikas are nothing to be afraid of. They shouldnt be censored.

[–]PraiseTheSun1997TotalTarkus 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (30子コメント)

They don't need to make a seperate multiplayer. World at War proved this.

Activision is pandering to the PC crowd. It's as simple as that .

[–]Setrip92 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Put yourselves in their shoes. It's an event they don't particularly care to exploit or bring up. You can play Nazi germany without the Nazi flag. It's not necessary. The game is not historically accurate. It's fiction.

Wouldn't America go ape shit if some foreigners made a game depicting 9/11? With details and all.

And had Al-Qaeda vs U.S multiplayer in New York?

You have to have perspective on things. We don't particularly care for this shit, because most games depict America as the hero.

[–]PraiseTheSun1997TotalTarkus -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (28子コメント)

The game is called Call of Duty: WW2. It is not fiction. Period.

[–]Setrip92 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Bad argument. WW2 is a real event. Call of Duty is a video game based on fiction inspired by real world events.

Nobody plays CoD for its historical accuracy.

[–]PraiseTheSun1997TotalTarkus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (26子コメント)

They were litterally bragging about trying to make the single player as historically accurate as possible. The events that are taking place in this game are not imaginary. You can do one with this argument.

[–]Setrip92 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (25子コメント)

historically accurate as possible.

It's a video game. That is not how you fight in a real war. This argument is fucking silly.

[–]PraiseTheSun1997TotalTarkus -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (24子コメント)

You argument is fucking dumb. Just because developers make games accessible and fun doesn't mean they should get a free pass for getting rid of one of the most important aspects of WW2 for no reason other than to pander to the sensitive.

[–]Setrip92 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (23子コメント)

You don't have to give them a pass. You can bitch all you want over a fucking cosmetic.

for no reason other than to pander to the sensitive

Correct. And you're part of that group. Crying over a silly little flag.

Should they also include ovens with jews burning in them to make it as accurate as possible? How much is too much PC for you?

[–]PraiseTheSun1997TotalTarkus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (22子コメント)

You know what, you're right. We need a future where the nazis never existed and everyone lived happily ever after. Fuck history

It's disgusting that you people are fine with trivilising the deaths of millions just for PC.

[–]MMontanez92GT: MMontanez92 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm confused. How are gamergaters the "special snowflakes" when this decision is obvious to pander to people who are offended by the swastika and Nazi imagery..when there's games like Wolfenstein coming out around the same time?

[–]SS_Downboat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why must you be so offended?

[–]OxymoronOxycodone -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right? The SJW's just took a third grade "Im rubber your glue" approach and couldnt even think of their own insult. The snowflakes are the ones who want the censorship. God everything is ass backwards these days.

[–]triforce28 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Gamergaters are the ones constantly being offended? You might want to stop projecting

[–]SS_Downboat -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean the crowd that has been howling over a black soldier in Battlefield 1, female characters in Uncharted, or killing Nazis in Wolfenstein? Yeah, sounds like the perpetually offended crowd indeed.

[–]triforce28 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm talking about the group that whined about a guy making a cameo voice line in yooka laylee because they didn't like him

[–]Cartman1972 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I said, personally I don't care if a game has a swastika in it or not. At this specific point our "Verbotsgesetz" seems too strict. But given our history around 75 years ago it's at least partially understandable.

[–]Letsgetacid [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I still think the number one reason internally is one of cost and effort. They don't want to make different versions for different territories, and then they can spin the lack of effort as some sort of "concern." Swastikas are in the single player, so it's not like they deemed to shield players from it (unless you're in Germany anyway).

I think decisions like this always come down to money. They wanted to make an uncontroversial, M-rated WW2 shooter where parents wouldn't freak out that their 13 y/o was playing. Getting rid of swastikas is a good step towards that goal. If this all seems strange, you're correct.