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[–]good_man_gone 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Love the last comment. Really angry. Lol

Dont expect people patting you on the back for gyow. Being a bachelor was never something society regarded as "productive".

I mean who else is gonna pay all her bills if you wont, right?

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah... if female are 85% of consumption now, watching female reaction as MGTOW and related things become stronger and they have to cut their materialism will be interesting :p

[–]good_man_gone 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

As long as big daddy government will keep taking away your money giving it to these slores they wont cut back shit.

Look at the bright side. By gyow you are actively taking away money from them. You are in a sense voting with your wallet and thats the only language who will get you attention.

Hit them where it hurts.

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well yeah, in countries like mine at least (New Zealand) with heavy social welfare... There are womenz here who literally start popping out babies at 15 so they can get more money from the government.

[–]oldredder -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

here in Canada quite a few do that too.

[–]Pies-of-Posture 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I believe I am asexual, and the second last comment made me cringe. "I mean you could just go asexual..." You're born asexual. You can't consciously become one. God, misinformed people. I'd also like to think, as an asexual, going mgtow was partly because of it, and partly because I actually want to go my own way.

[–]ryeshoes 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You'd think somebody who was vegan would be enlightened enough to know the difference between asexual and celibate

Sorry OP I don't hate vegans but this thread apparently is becoming a mild vegan bashing thread <3

[–]OutWithTheNew 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not the idea we hate, it's just some of the people that practice it.

There's a song by one of my favourite bands, I can't recall what song it is but there's a line "It's not the band I hate. It's their fans."

[–]oldredder 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

almost no one is born asexual.

[–]WidmerBeer 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't ever post in reddit politics. If you lean a tad right from full blown communism you get downvoted into oblivion.

[–][deleted] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They got a fucking army. Especially if you say anything negative about vaccines, these commies love getting shots.

[–]palaceposy6706 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The first rule of the Red Pill is that you don't talk about the Red Pill. Mentioning it like that was an attention-seeking exercise, don't know what you were expecting - if you're into scat that's ok I guess.

Let's not allow MGTOW to turn into /r/atheism. When the 'faces of MGTOW' posts start to happen, it's time to hit the button.

[–]Campes 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The red pill is a hard one to swallow and vegans are not ready to be unplugged considering they're likely SJW types as well.

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hmm well I can't speak for all vegans as it's a large umbrella. For example although vegans in the west tend to be left, in oriental countries it is far more mixed. For example in asia alot of right wing staunch military/ex-military men are vegan... just an example. But you are right that veganism has a certain image and stereotype, which is that SJW type that attaches to LGBT, feminism, anti-racism etc.

But the fact is veganism a philosophy, and vegans don't have to agree on anything except to not use animal products. I also think veganism has a few thing on all those SJW things that make it more relevant to everyday people... and that is...

a) Poor diet especially animal products contributes heavily to chronic disease, which is a massive problem in western countries b) Animal agriculture is the most environmentally destructive force on the planet today by far. c) The oceans are being depleted and exploited so rapidly, at this rate it will be obliterated a century from now.

Point b in particular is important for anyone who gives a fuck about anything except themselves. Whether people adopt veganism or not, these are some of the defining issues of our generation and they are coming to the forefront of peoples attention... And vegans are a primary group of people elevating these ideas and bringing them to the publics attention.

I am vegan cuz I don't wanna kill animals... and I get that not everyone feels that way. In the future though things could get so bad, people who realize the health and environmental consequences of animal agriculture on a planet of 7 billion will start eating a more plant based diet despite their nonchalonce toward animal suffering (though awareness of that will grow too). If you look it up, you will see that veganism, vegetarianism and plant based eating is on the rise in many places where for the last few decades we have been eating the rich western diet of kings and queens (obviously not in kenya because they already live off corn, cassava, bananas and sugar).

[–]clayticus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another vegan mgtow here. I just never talk about mgtow. I don't see the point no one ever understands, so I just keep it to myself, and take advantage of any situation that's comes along.

[–]VodkaTankerSpill 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (11子コメント)

You are at a party. How do you know if someone is vegan?

Don't worry, they'll tell you all about it.

[–]thrownaway_MGTOW 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't worry, they'll tell you all smell y'all about it.

FTFY. The flatulence problem is very real.

[–][deleted] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vegans get their protein from beans, ideally you are suppose to soak the beans until they start sprouting, this makes them healthier and takes care of the stink butt issues, but sadly not all vegans do this or are even aware of it.

[–]OutWithTheNew 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vegans and people who run. God, it's like people who run have nothing better to do than tell you about it.

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You are at a party. How do you know if a guy likes sports?

Don't worry he'll tell you.

See you can do that for many thing...

[–][deleted] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You are at a party. How do you know if a guy does crossfit?

Don't worry he'll tell you.

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You are at a party. How do you tell what people are really passionate about?

Don't worry they'll tell you.

[–]hork23 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

YOU VAPE, WE GET IT!

[–][deleted] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Touché nigga

[–]VodkaTankerSpill 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spoken like a true vegan.

[–]csehszlovakzeThe Hungarian -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the butthurt is strong in this one...

[–]cariboo_j 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Honestly what are you doing preaching in other subreddits.

There's no point in advertising MGTOW to ppl who aren't interested.

I'm not surprised they reacted negatively.

That'd be like me going into some vegan forum and spouting off about atheism. Sure it's a good idea but no one wants to hear about it at that moment they'd probably tell me to stfu.

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually most vegans are athiests, so you wouldnt get much backlash. I understand if it was off topic then it's irelavent. But veganism isn't just about broccoli and cow farts. The thread was specifically about relationship goals (or lack thereof), so that's what I talked about. Now I didn't "spout any of my beliefs"... I simply said " I am mgtow I don't have any relationship goals" and replied to any responses people gaev.

[–]cariboo_j -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To the average uninformed person criticising feminism or women's behaviour is strictly verboten.

As soon as they hear MGTOW does either of those things they immediately shut their minds.

I pretty much never mention the acronym MGTOW online or in my personal life. Just like "yeah... being single is pretty good... not big on the whole marriage and kids thing..."

Mentioning MGTOW to the average blue pill person is like mentioning evolution to a young earth creationist - 99% chance you won't get anywhere and they'll start name calling and shit all over the chess board.

[–]DforDeadpool 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vegan? Cringed.

[–]RedPillRevenge 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Love the irony from that last poster. Who knew someone could speak such $hit, with a name of "likestoeatbuttholes". (◔_◔)

[–]thrownaway_MGTOW 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I got shat on in r/vegan

That has got to be a scary experience... I mean the flatulence alone...

[–][deleted] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

tossing salads

[–]gundahir 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would not even post stuff like that, just keep quiet. Let them live in Disney Land until reality hits them in the face. Some kids need to do mistakes in order to learn, to lose illusions. Deep down they know or will know at a later point in life that we are right. This is where the hamstering and jealousy will get worse though.

[–][deleted] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm a vegan crossfitter MGTOW who vapes

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ddaengggg

[–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And I'm also an atheist

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think most vegans are athiest though bro.

[–]oldredder 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

your own fault for expecting 98% of reddit not to be retards.

They are retards.

Vegans? Well... do what you must or want but generally most of them are retards about nutrition.

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Haha that's funny. My honest opinion is that in general vegans have a better understand of nutrition than the general population (which is definitely not hard, even most medical doctors have poor knowledge of nutrition).

Related: Mr Universe Brney Du Plesis is Vegan

[–]oldredder 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Your opinion defies the physical evidence that almost all vegans are deficient in nutrients and deficient in muscle-mass. They get sick more easily because the vital nutrients you need can be found only in animals as food and some people cheat by taking supplement pills made from animals.

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I am not aware of any nutrients that animals have exclusively that plants don't have... but I am open to hearing what you have to say.

[–]oldredder 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

B12: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/ask-a-health-expert/how-can-i-get-enough-vitamin-b12-if-i-dont-eat-meat/article16777645/

http://www.livestrong.com/article/449042-can-you-get-all-amino-acids-from-being-vegetarian/

"The best sources of essential amino acids are animal products. Vegetarians who eat eggs and dairy products should have no problem getting enough complete protein into their diets. "

Of course... then they're not vegan.

As a meat-eater I eat at least 4 to 6 eggs per day because they're a meat-product, not vegan, and an excellent source of amino acids with or without the whey-isolate I also use for making protein shakes (which is certainly not vegan).

People who eat those things like I do and claim to be vegan are at least making the right decision for nutrients, just lying about being vegan.

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Firstly B12. B12 is not found only in animal foods, nor is it made by animals. B12 is made by certain bacteria (it is technically bacteria poop). Certainly vegetarians and vegans (who don't supplement) have higher rates of B12 deficiency than meat eaters. Some studies have shown as high as 90% for vegans who don't supplement. However, also for meat eaters it is as high as 40% deficiency. So actually, even meat eaters have B12 deficiency at quite a high rate, and poor absorption is one of the reasons for this. Another contributing factor to this is that generally vegans eat less processed food (hence fortified food with b12) than non-vegans. Actually nowadays vegans are more aware of B12 and soon vegans as a whole will be less B12 deficient than the general public due to this hyper awareness.

So actually the best and most abundant "natural source" of B12 is drinking water. Because everyone drinks water, this was never a problem in the past no matter what we ate. However in modern times water treatment makes this no longer a viable source of B12. Some farmers actually supplement their livestock with cobalt and B12 because they aren't consuming/producing enough themselves :p Unwashed vegetables are another source.

Aside from all that though, it's completely true that vegans (and many non-vegans) need to supplement B12. It's worth noting that most western countries have very low standards for B12 deficiency, usually around 150-200 serum levels. A country which is more onto it is Japan which set the standard of 550 minimum decades ago. This is because you can have asymptomatic B12 related ilness between 150~500 serum levels i.e. elevated homocysteine levels. So levels of deficiency are different depending on which standard you use. Anyway it's a complicated topic, but basically you win this one, "natural source" of B12 in modern times is unreliable. The caveat is that many meat eaters are B12 deficient by western standards. And by Japanese standards, most meat eaters are below the level needed to prevent optimal health and keep homo cysteine levels in balance. The amount of B12 many meat eaters are getting can be quite low due to poor absorptino, cooking (some methods destroy more than others i.e. grilling, roasting, frying, which meat tends to be)

Secondly this idea that plants aren't "complete proteins" or don't contain the all the amino acids is a myth. You can see a list of foods that contain high amounts of each essential amino acid here. Here is a short article which shows studies indicating a plant only diet supplies adequate amino acids. This article has a chart showing the amino acid profile of various foods, and you'll note all of the plant foods contain all of the amino acids (except bottlegourd has 0 for 1 amino acid for some reason). Here is a chart that shows lysine is not difficult to get from plants

Now we didn't really need all of this did we. A bit of common sense would have told us that the herbivores we eat get their protein from plants and that eating plants instead of plant eaters would be fine (if not better). Considering the only thing meat has the plants don't is B12 (and technically vitamin D but that's a non-issue), is it really worth eating it? Just for that little bit of B12 which is probably not even enough to get you over 550 serum levels?

Meat, dairy and eggs are acidic

Animal protein accelerates aging and contributes to diabetes through the mTOR enzyme

Saturated fat is pro-inflammatory

Cholestrol linked with arterial thrombosis

And... sulfur containing amino acids cysteine and methionine are very high in animal products compared to plants. Reducing methionine is an effective cancer treatment and has been documented as valid life extension strategy.

Ohhhh... and let's not forget that meat, which people love to grill , roast, and fry produces heterocyclic aromatic amines which are carcinogenic. Ohh and also the WHO reviewed over 800 studies and determined red meat is a type 2 carcinogen and processed meat is a type 1 carcinogen... I could literally keep shitting out these vegan nuggets for days. It's like a never ending list.

So I guess at the end of the day it's your life, you can do what you want. Just I think we should avoid using false apprehensions and misinformation to justify what we do.

Edit: Just one more bro... even vegan junk food is healthier than meat

:)

[–]oldredder 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now we didn't really need all of this did we

yes we did

A bit of common sense would have told us that the herbivores we eat get their protein from plants and that eating plants instead of plant eaters would be fine (if not better).

Common stupidity. Logic dictates as per evidence that sources of nutrients and amino acids will come only from animals, not plants, and that deficiency ALWAYS results from eating only plants.

and let's not forget that meat, which people love to grill ,

Let's forget that completely.

Tons of recipies are slow-cooker or baked. A meat-eater can live very well with zero frying and zero grilling.

Meat-eating animals will get sick, will have weakness, will have deficient diets by eating only plants. Humans are those meat-eating animals. A healthy human must eat meat no matter what. Not one single vegetarian has ever lived without a compromised immune system and none can be body builders, their protein intake is so inefficient.

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[–]nightshadez94 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nutrition is something no one agrees on one form of. My views on it are the exact opposite to yours which is why I would never talk to anyone about it or bring it up unless asked. Can't say the same for vegans.

[–]Albacorewing 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most vegans and most of the animal rights crowd in general are very feministic. I noticed that decades ago. You will not get any mercy from them generally, certainly none from the social justice warrior types.

[–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So is it being a bachelor for life?

Well, yeah.

[–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are many problems with women/related to women

  1. There is nothing wrong with women. They are a product of evolution just like we are. Just because their interests (hypergamy, briffault's laws, etc.) are not compatible with ours doesn't mean there's something wrong with them.

  2. Why would someone talk about MGTOW (an obviously controversial lifestyle) and post the response here like we're supposed to be surprised?

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Semantics. If you're MGTOW you have a problem with women. I'm not saying women are evil, or seek to do evil. I agree with you on human nature. Female hypergamy is a problem for me, a problem related to womenz... get it?

[–]wasthereadogwithyou 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Such nice, peaceful people... Anyways, if you haven't noticed, being a free-thinking male isn't exactly the most popular position to be in.

[–]RishSing 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i thought i was the only one!

[–]nightshadez94 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

And people say this subreddit is toxic. Apparently they have never been to r/vegan

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (10子コメント)

r/vegan is usually a pretty nice place. Although I guess it's usually a bunch of vegans talking about vegan things. Alot of vegans are left wing and 80% of them are females so yeah you can see why they are gonna shit on MGTOW.

[–]nightshadez94 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I refuse to associate with any vegan, real life or internet. Somehow they are on a higher plane of existence and the rest of humanity is beneath them because they don't eat meat. Nothing really kills the mood better than a vegan shaming you for eating meat and this is 99% of the vegans I've seen.

[–]oldredder 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

vegans have magical space-time shifting powers that otherwise can only be achieved by level-44 nofappers!

[–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

level-44 nofappers

RIP my sides

[–]oldredder 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

at level 158 the nofapper's fedora transmutates instantly into a wizard's hat. 2 points to house Fappendor!

[–]oldredder 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

at level 5000 nofappers turn their blueballs into magick-infused saphires they can detach by sheer will and affix to a magical staff to go with their wizard hats!

[–][deleted] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Also, the longer they were vegan, more insane they are. Coincidentally, vegan diet does lack micronutrients related to braincells health.

Don't take my word for any of these, you can see for yourself.

EDIT: vegans downvoting.

[–]nightshadez94 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And most of them know that. The ones I've talked to before knew and acknowledged that unless carefully planed out, a vegan diet can be downright harmful. They claim that environment and animals come first, then their health which is crazy if you ask me. You only live once, might as well make the most out of this pathetic world, enjoy life and be healthy.

[–][deleted] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've been vegan for 2 years and vegetarian for 20, I haven't lost my marbles yet, and I am super healthy.

[–]nightshadez94 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

read unless carefully planed out.

[–]nightshadez94 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

vegans downvoting

My original parent comment was downvoted to -1 then upvoted to 5 and now to 0. Didn't realise there were so many MGTOW vegans, especially with the Atkins diet link in the sidebar that was in the sidebar.

[–][deleted] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am vegan, not all us are toxic it's just that the vegan demographic is mostly women and liberals. You got to watch what you say when you go to vegan potlucks lol

[–]nightshadez94 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rest assured, nothing will ever make me go to one. Nothing personal, I just tend to avoid you guys exactly like I do women.

[–]RedPillRevenge -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparently they haven't been to... any frigging forum on the internet!!

Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory triumphs again!

[–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

are you aware of a faggot who goes by the name of vegangains? he has a youtube channel. he's a zealot, and so are most vegans. Dude, vegans are mostly marxist communist faggs. 9/10 of them are like that of which I've met personally. of course they're going to hate on you - that's their modus operandi. don't bother with their shit.

[–]Botanical-Concepts[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can see I even get downvoted for explaining what the acronym "MGTOW" stands for :p

[–]Lytalm 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, you probably got downvoted because you sound like a typical Jehovah's witness which come to your house, preaching the good news. I facepalm everything people try to talk about MGTOW in public.

[–]Smitty6 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think people just don't really understand it. Basically the blue pill is shoved down their throats too much that they are blind to the rationality of MGTOW. People are sold that they should find the one and invest lots in finding that one and into the one. That when they see somebody not doing that something is wrong with that person. If they truly understood why men go their own way they would probably agree that men don't have it so easy.