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[–]Vascolas007 [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

What is the purpose of unifying Portugal and Galacia?

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

What is the purpose of unifying Portugal and Galacia?

Galicia is linguistically and culturally tied closely with Portugal. The language Galician is closely related to Portuguese, and there's an increasing Galician nationalism that seeks to unify with Portugal. This subreddit is to discuss these goings on, without going into the deep-end.

[–]Sperrel [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

increasing Galician nationalism that seeks to unify with Portugal.

I bet the group went from 15 to 18 members last year.

[–]Vascolas007 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I envy your determination for this to happen. But I think no one will take you serious if you have not your facts well explaned.

I went once to Galicia and it did felt like I was in Spain, so where do you get that idea that Galicia is closely related to Portugal? Spanish is very close as a language to portuguese and I dont think we have much in common.

What I am trying to say is that we need clear evidence that Portugal should unite to Galicia.

And the most important thing is that a territory should not only be independent or join another contry just because they have more in common culturally, you have to think about finantial stuff and much more.

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I envy your determination for this to happen

Not really a determination for it to necessarily happen, but I have spoken with my Galician relatives who often speak of how irritating it is that their culture and language have been thrown by the wayside over the decades.

I just think the current situation isn't sufficient for the people on both sides of the fence.

I went once to Galicia and it did felt like I was in Spain, so where do you get that idea that Galicia is closely related to Portugal? Spanish is very close as a language to portuguese and I dont think we have much in common.

Portugal and Galicia have a shared history stretching back to the Roman Empire. The first Portuguese king was the son of a Galician nobleman. Our culture is inexplicably tied with Galicia and while I don't necessarily subscribe to Galician nationalism in full, I wanted to be the first to allow a subreddit for that discussion.

[–]Sperrel [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Not really a determination for it to necessarily happen, but I have spoken with my Galician relatives who often speak of how irritating it is that their culture and language have been thrown by the wayside over the decades.

I just think the current situation isn't sufficient for the people on both sides of the fence.

So your staple of portuguese and galician support is a relative? Man you embody the american stereotype perfectly.

The first Portuguese king was the son of a Galician nobleman.

A Burgundian noble serving the leonese king.

Our culture is inexplicably tied with Galicia and while I don't necessarily subscribe to Galician nationalism in full, I wanted to be the first to allow a subreddit for that discussion.

Eh, apart from the language not really. Galicians have more in common with Catalonians than with portuguese.

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So your staple of portuguese and galician support is a relative?

Well what can I say? I didn't choose to be born in a country where my only link to my heritage was my mother and grandfather. I'm not even a nationalist for Galicia, but I think the current situation is non-ideal.

Galicians have more in common with Catalonians than with portuguese.

That seems like a bizarre assertion to me based on how Catalonia is so vastly different from Galicia, culturally and historically.

[–]Sperrel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well what can I say? I didn't choose to be born in a country where my only link to my heritage was my mother and grandfather. I'm not even a nationalist for Galicia, but I think the current situation is non-ideal.

Why isn't it ideal? Galiza has more autonomy than it would ever have joining Portugal and it's perfectly integrated as part of Spain.

That seems like a bizarre assertion to me based on how Catalonia is so vastly different from Galicia, culturally and historically.

Really? Do you think the last 500 years of common history isn't something to note for, even with the birth of the spanish state?

[–]balabanov [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Are you sure this is the real reason? Or do you just want a "reunification" due to your identity crisis?

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Or do you just want a "reunification" due to your identity crisis?

Nope, not at all due to that. Nobody's undergoing an identity crisis here.

[–]poloport [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

So they can fuck our mothers

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Que grosseiro!

[–]poloport [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Dude it's a fucking reference to D. Teresa, the mother of our first king who took a galician nobleman as a lover.

You're making a subreddit about unifying Portugal and Galiza and you don't even know basic facts and history of the two countries...

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yes, and it was very rude, hence me saying "how rude!" in response. Not the time nor the place for dank memes.

As for my misspelling, I do have mild dyslexia, get over it.

[–]Sperrel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not the time nor the place for dank memes.

Then why create a subreddit for one?

[–]Halograma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Já temos muitos problemas aqui, caga nisso

[–]Joltie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

While potentially a laudable initiative, it suffers from two major problems:

  1. Suggesting a subreddit dedicated to bilateral relations between two closely intertwined communities while suggesting English, which has nothing to do with either culture, as a standard language of a cultural subreddit, raises issues with many folks here. In a way, it can be considered paradoxical as you speak about the suppression of Galician language and culture by an outside culture, and then suggest an alien language to both as subreddit language, which further contributes to the supplantation of both Portuguese and Galician as languages of communication over the internet, and even over communication between these two intelligible languages.

  2. Adding the political motivation of unification of Galicia to Portugal; nowadays Galicia is extremely Castillianized, so what support might have historically existed, is no longer materialized. Further, while Galicia was historically known to be an extremely poor region of Spain, nowadays it is quite not so. In fact, in terms of hard economic data, it is richer than the overwhelming majority of the Portuguese regions. So any economic allure there might have existed historically, it likewise, is no longer in existence. Finally Portuguese in general don't particularly want for Galicia to join the country. We have done our path separately for close to a millennium now, and right now it makes little sense to change that. So you have a politically charged proposition that neither Galicians so nor Portuguese want.

Those are major reasons to why you're getting a lot of resistance to your subreddit idea.

[–]Based_Kek [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

If you talk Galician we can easily understand so...

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

If you talk Galician we can easily understand so...

My first language is English as I am from the US however I have begun learning both languages as my heritage is tied to both places!

Yes, they're mostly intelligible from what I can see, but still, there's a bit of difference.

[–]Based_Kek [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Oh i got it wrong then, i thought that you were galician...

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wish. It wasn't until about a year ago after I learned my estranged grandfather (First generation Portuguese immigrant to America) died that I begun looking into my family's heritage. Our family name is Galician, but our family is mostly Portuguese.

[–]dezassete [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Why "greater Portugal" and not "greater Galicia"? Galicians aren't less than us...

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Because that's a common English term for the combined area of Portugal and Galicia.

[–]dezassete [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nobody seriously calls Galicia "greater Portugal" my man, Galicia and Galician are actually older than Portugal. We sometimes call it "Portugalicia" for fun since the gal has the same origin, nothing more.

[–]sup3rfm [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Em Inglês. Giro.

[–]van_Zeller [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Essa é a melhor. Este filho da puta vem aqui falar de unificação...em inglês caralho? O que é que este gajo sabe sobre Portugal ou a Galiza se nem a língua sabe? Foda-se

[–]Sperrel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

É mesmo uma daquelas peças americanas. É sempre giro vê-los celebrar conceitos inexistentes ou antiquados.

[–]xXx_Bacalhau_xXx [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Desconheço Portugeuse. Mete isto é em português!

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Desconheço Portugeuse. Mete isto é em português!

Desculpa. Eu só sei algumas palavras em português.

[–]GeoMain [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

*Desculpa. Eu só sei algumas palavras em português.

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Much appreciated correction. I'm still learning the language!

[–]GeoMain [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Não há problema. Estamos aqui para ajudar :)

[–]raviolli_ninja [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Ora bem, então vamos lá ver:

  • Um user norte-americano que descobriu as raízes galaico-portuguesas há um par de meses

  • Vai daí, pela ordem natural das coisas, decide fundar um novo país

  • Tem conta desde Maio de 2017

  • Subscreve o r/realbuddhists/ que tem um flair fabulosamente zen ISLAM MUST DIE!

  • É grande contribuinte no /r/pantsu, essa grande escola de construção de nações.

Edgelord de extrema direita detectado.

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Corrections:

  • A few months? More like over a year.

  • No, just a subreddit to talk about Galicia and Portugal

  • I'm actually a reddit veteran whose had several accounts

  • Real Buddhists is a subreddit ran by a friend of mine, not me. I'm there to offer dissenting opinions

  • regarding /r/pantsu, guilty as charged :)

I'm not even far-right.

[–]Sperrel [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

This is not a subreddit to soapbox nationalism out of nor is it a place for us to hate on Spanish people. If you're for Greater Portugal it's because we believe it's for the betterment of the Lusitanians, not because of any hate or resentment for Castilian rule.

I love how you went all that far to create a very specific sub and even then you don't know the basic history of both Galiza and Portugal.

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

even then you don't know the basic history of both Galiza and Portugal.

I do know the basic history. During several periods of Galician history, our language was suppressed in favour of Castilian Spanish, hence my statement here about it.

[–]Sperrel [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

No doubt, but with statements like this ("we believe it's for the betterment of the Lusitanians") I just can't believe you.

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Lusitanians

Isn't lusophone a common term for Portuguese speakers? Doesn't a large amount of Portuguese national pride stem from the fact we're directly related to the Lusitanian peoples of Iberia and the Roman Empire? If I misused the term I'm sorry, I only recently learned about my heritage and have been reexploring it.

[–]Sperrel [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

Isn't lusophone a common term for Portuguese speakers?

It is but...

Doesn't a large amount of Portuguese national pride stem from the fact we're directly related to the Lusitanian peoples of Iberia and the Roman Empire?

I mean not really, this ancient link was a manufactured by cultural elites. It has as much value as French thinking they descend from gauls or italians from romans.

If I misused the term I'm sorry, I only recently learned about my heritage and have been reexploring it.

I'll tell why it's hilarious you're using lusitanians when promoting a practically inexistent idea of uniting Portugal and Galiza. Lusitanians among others were the pre-roman people living between the Tejo and Douro. From the Douro and Minho it was mostly galaicos and other celtic-iberians.

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

I appreciate the frank correction. History isn't my strongest suit, although I've been delving into it more and more recently.

I'm the only Portuguese-American in my city I've found thus far, so I'm still learning the ropes. After all, this all came from my grandfather's passing away and being left a vast amount of literature and research he did into our heritage, including linking our family with prominent historical figures so it's a very important subject to me, as I didn't get to know my grandfather well as he was... a troubled and eccentric man who never quite adjusted to being evicted from his home.

[–]Sperrel [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

Interesting! Do you know why he was evicted?

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Interesting! Do you know why he was evicted?

Well his father was linked with Batista. You see, they migrated to Cuba in the late 1800's for the purpose of starting a vineyard and sugar plantation, and then when the communists took over, they had all of their property confiscated and several of my grandfather's uncles were executed by firing squad. My grandfather, his siblings and his father all escaped that fate by being smuggled out of Cuba on what I believe was a shipping vessel.

[–]Sperrel [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Wow so your grand-father was cuban-american. Did he go there from Galiza or Portugal?

[–]TheCynicalTao[S] [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Wow so your grand-father was cuban-american. Did he go there from Galiza or Portugal?

My grandfather's parents were a Galician businessman born in Cuba and a Portuguese mother born in Lisbon. Grandfather himself was born in Cuba, but because they spoke primarily Portuguese and never really integrated into Cuban society they always considered themselves having allegiance to Portugal. That, coupled with the fall of Cuba to the communists contributed to having far more allegiance to Portugal. In some ways I'm thankful they came to America, but in other ways I would have preferred to grow up among my own people - especially since I was born almost 20 years after the Carnation revolution

[–]fodassse [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Pó crl a escrita em inglês, se não sabes escrever em português aprende. Não se fala em inglês sobre assuntos destes na minha opinião.

Só seria a favor da Galiza se juntar a Portugal se houvesse um colapso total de Espanha. O que muito sinceramente espero que nunca venha acontecer.

Sou Tuga mas não desejo assim tao mal aos espanhois (colapso da nação).

[–]Joltie [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Se houver um colapso da Espanha de tal maneira, faz ainda menos sentido que eles tratados espanhóis.

Se com o colapso da Espanha, nós passarmos a ser o maior país da península, passaremos a ser nós a Espanha?

[–]Sperrel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Não sei, de certeza que Andorra tem um plano para uma conquista relâmpago de Madrid para Este.