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[–]SnapshillBotPassing Turing Tests since 1956 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (8子コメント)

TIL the Civil War was actually about property rights.

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[–]19djafoij02/r/The_Constantine mod[S] 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (0子コメント)

TIL the Civil War was actually about property rights.

So was ancient immigration policy.

[–]Imperium_DragonJudyism had one big God named Yahoo 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If that dick Constantine would stop killing demons the world would be more progressive.

[–]ThoctarTool of the Baltic Financiers 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you're going to trace the origins of serfdom to the Roman empire, which I don't disagree with, it shows your ignorance when you trace it to Constantine and not someone who contributed to it a lot more, like Diocletian.

[–]anschelsc 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is also the (presumably drastically oversimplified) version I learned. I wonder if there are multiple simplifications circulating, or if this person has an anti-Christian agenda which makes Constantine a more attractive scapegoat.

[–]ThoctarTool of the Baltic Financiers 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My guess is it has to do with the fact that Constantine is a convenient transition point from the Ancient Roman Empire to the Christian feudal system of Medieval Europe. Its not exactly a horrendous choice, moreso its a very pop history kind of choice or a very antiquated one, even if its one that on the surface makes sense.

[–]yoshiKUncultured savage since 476 AD 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And in ancient Greece the Delphic priests regarded the right of unfettered movement as one of four freedoms distinguishing liberty from slavery.

Yes, but slavery here is not hyperbole as one expects in modern civil rights discourse.

People moved constantly all over the world – be they Vikings, Crusaders or Chinese emigrants.

One of the three is not like the other, the poster probably meant Mongolian raiders.

[–]topicality 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Constantine always had a soft spot in my heart. A pivotal figure, he is blamed for so much. In reality he was likely your average noble Roman who over time came to see the Christian God has his patron.

Seriously so much of what he does can be traced back to normal actions (founding a victory city, interfering in religious matters) with just Christianity involved now.

[–]TheMastersSkywalker 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I used to hate him because I saw him as just another conquer wanting to use my religion for his own gain. But I had a professor in college who actually ended up convincing me that he was a pretty cool person.

[–]77096 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

James Carroll was a fiction writer and one-time Catholic priest with a very specific anti-Catholic church agenda when he wrote Constantine's Sword. It's amazing how much influence his book (or more likely the reviews of his book) did to shape popular perception of Constantine. If you wrote a well researched book on Constantine as a great political and military leader, you'd have trouble finding a publisher. But if you're a semi-known ex-Catholic priest who accuses Constantine of inventing anti-Semitism and creating the Medieval Catholic Church, then you've got a bestseller.

[–]HerodoTotesHot air balloons broke the Siege of Stalingrad 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

he was a pretty cool person.

....ehh let's not go too far in the other direction here fam; he murdered his own son, as well as his wife (the latter via the horrifying method of overheating her bath, iirc). He wasn't the worst ruler ever, sure, and he's unfairly blamed for things that don't need to be put solely on his shoulders, but calling him a "cool guy" doesn't really seem accurate either.

[–]TheMastersSkywalker 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I meant as far as medieval kind are concerned

[–]Mathemagics15One of Caesar's Own Space Marines 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's cut medieval people some slack here; I don't exactly think murdering your wife by boiling her bathwater would be looked well upon by most medieval people, nobles included.

[–]OakheartIX 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

By mediaeval times a large part of Europe’s population was bound in place and traded like chattels.

This seems a bit confusing. In the Frankish/later French, serfs were not traded. Land could change owner yes but serfs were not chattel traded like slaves. One cannot really be bound to a land and traded, making it a different than slavery.

[–]Darth_Cosmonaut_1917Hawaii is a sleeper state for the British empire 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Norse thralls could be traded and sold, but that's early medieval period.

[–]OakheartIX 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, but thralldom and serfdom are different things.

[–]Darth_Cosmonaut_1917Hawaii is a sleeper state for the British empire 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True enough.

[–]LoneWolfEkb 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

One possible reason for confusion is that the serfs of the 18th-19th (pre-1861) Russian Empire could be bought and sold without land transfer (making it far closer to slavery than the traditional definition of serfdom).

[–]OakheartIX 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It could be a reason for confusion as you say, Russian serfdom being very specific (such as factory serfs and State serfs). But if the author mixed Russian serfdom from the modern period with Western medieval serfdom it shows a real lack of understanding/research.

I think it is quite easy to look up serfdom and learn how Russian serfdom grew in the modern period compared to medieval serfdom in the Western Europe. Or the author relied too much on the stereotypes on the medieval western societies (to exaggerate, king-->nobles/knights-->serfs).

[–]spark-a-darkOops, I just forgot I was a Turk! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gives Bible as evidence of passports predating Constantine.

Forgets that Constantine wrote the Bible.

( /s obviously)

[–]Jiketi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think passports were introduced in the 4th century AD.

[–]MrWigggles 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Mongolian Empire had passports. I wanna say the various Chinese kingdoms after that also had passports.

[–]anschelsc 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

People moved constantly all over the world – be they Vikings, Crusaders or Chinese emigrants.

Vikings and Crusaders didn't "move" so much as "pillage and conquer". I suppose this sort of person also thinks Columbus was an immigrant.

But also, don't these "constant movements" kind of contradict the thesis that Everything Changed with Constantine? Vikings, Crusaders, and (Zheng He era) Chinese emigrants were all long after Constantine's supposed introduction of restrictions...

[–]Lying_idiotNorwegian pilots won the Battle of Britain 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

well, what we call vikings settled in a lot of places, or do you combine this with conquering?

[–]anschelsc 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think I learned that the people were called "Norse" and only the soldiers were "Vikings".

[–]Lying_idiotNorwegian pilots won the Battle of Britain 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The last thing i heard was that they had basically given up making the distinction at all.

There is a lot of overlap, anyway. Calling most vikings soldiers are a stretch, as many were just farmers or fishers boosting their income with a trip abroad to visit chapels, cities near water, and other easy targets.