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CompetitiveOverwatch is having a bit of censorship war with the mods. (self.SubredditDrama)

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So recently a competative Overwatch streamer was shown to be trolling and throwing games. A thread was posted linking a video and that was removed, then today a user posed about the removal of the video to have a discusion about why it was removed, that was also removed. Then there was a twitter responce from the streamer was also posted Here and finally a full meta post is now Here I will try to find the archives of the removed threads, they were removed for starting witch hunting.
Bonus link for another meta thread about censoship Here

Update: The mods have issued a statment and it is going down like a house on Fire. Also The original streamer has been removed from their team and banned by blizzard. One of the mods from CompetitiveOverwatch showed up in this thread Here Its quite the show.

Edits: spelling and new links

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[–]Hammer_of_truthiness💩〰🔫😎 firing off shitposts[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (11子コメント)

Probably should pulls this for full thread links but #YOLO

[–]tommy2014015Also his dick gourd looks pretty bad ass 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (1子コメント)

i think this has the potential to be juicy

[–]Juicysteak117PJSalt 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It definitely is, and I think we're far from over here. I highly expect this to get worse before it gets better, it's drawing a lot of attention from damn near everyone related.

[–]Cam3RanComment reapproved. Thank you for complying! 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (129子コメント)

One of the mods is actively pissing off the entire sub in the meta-post comments.

So buttery.

[–]YearHandPia 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (54子コメント)

He just banned me for calling him out. Full story here.

http://imgur.com/a/iFPCW

[–]JustRecentlyI 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think there's a good chance the mod you were replying to legit hadn't seen your modmail, because TEE had already "dealt with it"

[–][削除されました]  (2子コメント)

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    [–]Zachums/r/kevbo[M] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Don't ping users.

    [–]sp00nme 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Did you see those screen shots^ please take action. Please don't let this sub goto shit): it's a saving grace outside of the normal overwatch sub and it makes no sense to destroy it for a couple of mods using their power abusively

    [–]GannonHJ 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Did they respond? Was there anything else in this exchange?

    I mean technically I deserved my ban, I called him a cancerous asshole (I still stand by this statement) which is against the rules. Worth it, whatever. I messaged them to let them know of his awful comments and demeanor to users and I was in turn called an asshole and trolled (told me how I felt and etc, which is exactly what they banned others for doing...)

    But you legitimately didn't do anything here, if this is the full story.

    [–]neverhadspam 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    What a lame ass neckbeard. I'm starting to get annoyed of the Overwatch pro and mod community.

    [–]YearHandPia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    yeah, sprite and euro are pathetic excuses of mods.

    [–]GannonHJ 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (72子コメント)

    Yep he banned me for arguing with him and prodded me until I called him a cancerous asshole :) (/u/cancerous_asshole_who_reported_the_tag)

    Then when I messaged the mods, (u/mod_who_calls_me_an_asshole) decided to defend his offensive language and call me an asshole.

    Real great community over there.

    [–]elfa82Literally Oppresses You[M] 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Please remove the username ping.

    [–]bonsley6http://imgur.com/gallery/R390EId 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    its too late, he got summoned to the thread.

    Now I don't even have to go to the thread. The drama is all here!

    [–]somethingToDoWithMe 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    He was posting in this thread from the start.

    [–]bonsley6http://imgur.com/gallery/R390EId 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He left and came back when he got summoned.

    Before there wasn't much but now...

    [–]decencybedamnedyou want to fondle my balls and i will not let you 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The popcorn is coming from inside the thread!

    [–]GannonHJ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No problem :) Thanks for not banning me and making a great example of proper moderation.

    [–]sp00nme 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh wow! This is a real response to the problem the sub is having! Thanks mods! What were we worried about?

    [–]JustRecentlyI 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I really hope you don't take him as a representative of the whole community.

    [–]dudenumbertwo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I got banned too!

    [–]GannonHJ 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah the mods over there are on a ban spree and two of them are making the rest look awful.

    They seriously need a lesson in PR. Some of the things they say are stupidly ignorant to public opinion. They don't even try to appeal to their users.

    [–]Fordeka 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    The player who was the subject of this drama was just banned by Blizzard and removed from his team.

    [–]GannonHJ 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Which is even more proof that this wasn't witch hunting and had every piece of evidence needed to use as a means of discussion on the sub.

    [–]rougeknight21 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Except the posts that were removed were removed before Blizzard officially banned him. How could they know that it was enough proof for Blizzard to ban them at the time. Its accusing someone they are guilty before a judge can rule them anything, quite literally the story of to kill a mockingbird. They even say in their mod post that until Blizzard actually bans them they are assumed innocent and it's witch hunting.

    [–]Mursu37 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The guy was literally streaming himself throwing anf grieffing in match making on purpose and tried to get his wievers to do the same by saying stuff like "lets all que and throw games we could probably ruin every single comp game right now" to 2k+ people. I think thats enough proof to say without a doubt that he was throwing...

    [–]New_Accounts_Suck 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because we had a fucking video of him doing it. Anyone assuming his innocence in the face of video evidence is retarded.

    [–]Outlashed 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    so if I murder someone, and people record it on their phones, and it's on CCTV - Then it's witch hunting when people speak about it?

    [–]cakebutt1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    i thought the point was that the subreddit is not for reporting players. and again, why would it be

    [–]GannonHJ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It's for discussing competitive overwatch (with emphasis on the pros) and Dafran is not only a #1 comp overwatch player in all of NA, but he was on selfless, a very notable professional team.

    So your point is irrelevant

    [–]cakebutt1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Someone trolling in ranked is not a discussion about competitive overwatch, nor esports content.

    [–]GannonHJ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    He threw in a professional game too. Why do you get so much pleasure from disagreeing with me? Just do 5 minutes of research about the situation

    [–]cakebutt1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Well first of all even if you have proof of a claim that does not mean what you are doing is not a witch hunt, it clearly is. Secondly I fail to see how these posts contribute to discussions about competitive meta or strategy, esports tournaments or team performance. This is an issue about customer support and Blizzard's policies. The punishment of the player in question will not change their non-working reporting system so what exactly are you trying to accomplish? You and other redditors collectively helped to end some idiots career in esports, congrats.

    [–]GannonHJ 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He ended his own career in esports. Don't believe me? He said it himself, jackass. Don't try to guilt me https://twitter.com/DafranOW/status/872962974352388100

    [–]_SpiderDisco 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (20子コメント)

    All I can say is I'm glad I'm not a mod.

    [–]PM_ME_UR_POTG 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This picture is incredibly relevent to the competitive overwatch mods http://s37.photobucket.com/user/sgtpoe/media/Become-an-internet-forum-moderator.jpg.html

    [–]PenisdenapoleonIt's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know? 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The purpose of the rules is not to suppress information; it is to suppress the reaction to the information

    Okay but...that's literally what happens when you remove links. You suppress information.

    Edit: I a word.

    [–]Fordeka 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Someone summarized the drama in a nice little video.

    [–]PMmewhateverk 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (34子コメント)

    Overwatch seems to have a serious problem with this. Recently in /r/girlgamers another video popped up of someone throwing a match because of a female teammate. I've been wanting to try overwatch for a bit, but can't decide if it's worth the money with the community

    [–]PandemultGod knew what he was doing, buttholes are really nice. 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    From what I've seen on reddit, the community is actually really good.

    [–]this_time_thoI spent over $6,000 on laptops last year. 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yup. It probably comes down to the cast being very diverse and international and to the emphasis the game places on cooperation and shared fun.

    [–]YearHandPia 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I would say that the community is by in large very very good, but the game is currently in a bad place. While we may have something like 90% amazing people, we also currently have an epidemic of griefers and trolls in competitive play. Literally more than 50% of my matches over the last week have had a troll on at least one team. The reason for this is because blizzard does not have an effective punishment system in place. Usually these griefers are at worst muted and rarely suspended or banned.

    [–]seschrwscjtazc 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    For what it's worth, I almost never run into deliberate trolls on console. I think not having a text chat makes people less prone to be dicks

    [–]YearHandPia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I really want to try OW on console. I used to play alot of COD and Halo, but OW seems like it would be such a fun and chaotic mess lol

    [–]icyfrodo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I started playing OW on PC , but recently my pc just kills itself whenever I run overwatch, so I bit the Bullet and bought it again on console. God is it fun and I'd argue it's great not being cussed for stupid shit like on PC, people seem to be really chill, at least in non competitive modes.

    [–]impossible_planetMy kidneys hurt from the salt 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I think one of the problems is throwing isn't overtly punished, neither is trolling in general. I've reported my share of people in OW but I don't know if it does anything. Until recently there was also a streak bonus that built with every win, so some people gamed the system and deliberately lost games so they could stomp easier competition while enjoying a streak back up.

    That being said, for the most part OW is a really fun game and the majority of the playerbase actually want to play properly. So give it a shot!

    [–]PMmewhateverk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I think I probably will. I picked up paladins on steam to see if the style was something I could work with, since I don't generally play that genre, and I've been having a lot of fun with it. Just have to overcome my fear of random teammates. I've always leaned towards games that don't require teamwork for that reason lol

    [–]GannonHJ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I play Paladins when I'm burnt out on Overwatch but if you don't like Paladins.. I'd still give OW chance. OW is extremely polished and perfectly aimed to casual and competitive players alike.

    Not to be really rude, but Paladins is sort of a bad knockoff. I still support them and hope they can do better but even the engine they built it in is awful. Very unresponsive. Half of the time I die without even knowing I was losing health because the indicators are so bad.

    [–]PMmewhateverk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I picked it up with the knowledge it was a knockoff, specifically to see if it was my style. Might not have made that clear, I actually do enjoy it

    [–]twirlingpink 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Am female with about 1k hours in OW, ranging from QP hours to Silver/Gold/Plat/Diamond comp matches, so I've seen quite a bit of the game. I'm also a shotcaller in comp so basically everyone is aware of my gender before the game starts. With those facts in mind, I have had maybe 40-50 games TOTAL where someone made a sexually harassing comment. Only in one game have I dealt with someone who actively threw the game because of my gender.

    The game is freaking awesome - I highly recommend it. There are more good people than bad. I hope you decide to try it sometime!

    [–]giant_squid0 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Although I'm male, my experience mirrors this. Thanks for sharing.

    I remember telling my wife that there was a female shot caller who lead the team and wasnt trolled, because after a number of years playing games it felt like a significant moment. I've met jerks but overall the community is good.

    [–]iHartLaRoo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Another female here. Started plat level, now sitting in high Master. The higher you go up, the more they seem to care about your gender. I'm also a shotcaller and the easiest way to ignore trollers/throwers/omguragurl people is to just ignore them. It happens, more frequently then I like.

    HOWEVER, I've also made incredible friends on Overwatch, much more then I did in our games. It's so much fun playing with people who are awesome and nice. The good definitely outweighs the bad.

    [–]PsychicFoxWithSpoons 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah I think it's because Overwatch really appeals to girls. It's not like Dota or CoD where the playerbase is basically all male. It's a great shooter, and the only one I can stand to play, because of the character design and the fact that it's just plain fun.

    I've heard people even convince their parents to play because of Mercy and Ana.

    [–]twirlingpink 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm trying to get my mother interested by showing Mercy gameplay. So far, she says, "it's too noisy!" Lol

    [–]fingerpaintswithpoopTrust me kid, I've seen the interent. I've seen it all. 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    People throwing games makes me so fucking furious. All I want to do is climb the ranks, but I can't do that when some jackass joins just to sabotage the game for the sake of trolling or whatever and ruins it for everybody else. I call them on it and their response is basically "U mad bro?"

    YES. YES I FUCKING AM.

    [–]Aaod 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And some players are so bad that it is hard to tell if they are trolling or not. My first placement match ever our Lucio falls off the map to his death 4 different times in a single round despite not being engaged with the enemy at the time.

    [–]_SpiderDisco 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I went from several years of CS:GO to overwatch when it came out, and overwatch has a MUCH better community in my opinion.

    Reddit loves drama (look where we are) so if you browse reddit only the juicy stuff will rise to the top, but in day to day play my experience is pretty good.

    [–]Choppa790If we didn't take his airbase we'd be cucks. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    overwatch is really not that bad, you are more likely to have bad players than intentionally asshole players, and those can be blocked immediately.

    [–]FuzzyKitties 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I was skeptical too, but ended up getting hooked and buying it after one of the free to play weekends. It's nowhere near League of Legends toxicity and is a bit better than World of Warcraft.

    Give it a try and see if you think it's fun. I've only had one salty teammate so far, everyone else seems pretty goofy and chill. You can always turn off voice chat anyway.

    If it helps, there was also a recent thread in another sub where a girl was getting shit from one teammate and everyone else (even people on the other team) told the kid to shut up and piss off.

    [–]JustRecentlyI 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I am a guy, so i'm less exposed to the sexism/machismo incidents, but i don't remember a single instance of someone throwing because of a female team-mate. That's purely anecdotal, though, so it may well be unrepresentative.

    That said, i read recently that 20% of the Overwatch user-base is female, so i think they must be doing something right, as that's the highest ratio for a popular FPS by a significant margin.

    [–]giant_squid0 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Get into it. The drama is more a byproduct of the size and popularity of the game rather than the community quality. It's great and you won't regret it. People are passionate because it's awesome!

    [–]YesThisIsDrake"Monogamy is a tool of the Jew" 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Game is fun, its a good introduction to FPS and has depth beyond that.

    Community is shitty, but I'm spoiled since the Destiny community, especially on reddit, was and still is miles better.

    [–]mykeedee 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's not that Overwatch is more toxic, in fact I'd say it's less toxic than a lot of other big games. However, there aren't really any consequences for trolling/throwing and the game is so team reliant that one person deciding to throw will decide the outcome of the match.

    [–]OIPI will have you know that Donald Trump is extraordinarily kawaii 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    it's a really good game, very polished and stupid amounts of fun. yes, working with five random people can be utterly infuriating but can also be hilarious. and there's always the option to group with however many friends you want, up to a full team.

    [–]fearoftheskyYou are actively moving your face toward homosexuality. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's a fantastic game, but there is a problem with the community being toxic. I just don't really seriously bother with competitive mode, and am judicious with the mute and report functions.

    Don't buy it on console until Blizzard add a proper report feature, though.

    [–]cakebutt1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    imo community games built around competitive modes are pretty toxic. LoL is toxic, i also played MMOs where if you didn't have the highest possible stats you would not be able to join any raid groups, and if you underperformed you would be vote kicked mid raid. Ive seen it in many games. Its only worth it if you enjoy the competition and the game.

    [–]Koozzie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Don't worry too much. The community is good, but the reddit community that enjoys any game always has a good group of the shittiest people. It's weird, but often those type of people are the loudest.

    [–]langile 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I've never experienced this. There's been maybe 1 or 2 throwers I've had in 400 hours on the game. There's usually a girl in every game I play, and they're vocal with callouts and everyone plays and interacts like they normally would, as it should be. Though I'm in the higher ranks, where I guess there would be more civilized and less toxic players so I can't speak for lower ranked competitve

    [–]SSNNOO 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I was the one who made the first post about the streamer throwing games. I got a PERM BAN from comp ow subreddit. At least I contributed to the competitive and professional suspension of the streamer.

    [–]Outlashed 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You also contributed very well to a hidden discussion going on at COW, where Eurozone has been known to be a dickwad - Now you pulled it into daylight.

    As much as it sucks to get banned from COW, lets admit it - It was completely worth it.

    [–]cakebutt1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    i can understand why you would be upset with the ban, but why would you be proud of dismantling someone's career

    [–]SSNNOO 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    he acted like a true ass on stream lol, bad behavior discredits any profession

    [–]tresserhttp://goo.gl/Ln0Ctp 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    so uh. why not just make a new sub where that kind of video is allowed?

    [–]GannonHJ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because the sub is generally good and I enjoy the community and 90% of the mods. Literally 1-2 are just trashing an awesome community

    [–]YearHandPia 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    idk I feel like starting a rival sub is silly. we should just be adults and have a public discussion about it.

    [–]tresserhttp://goo.gl/Ln0Ctp 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    don't think of it as a rival. think of it as supplementary.

    If the mods don't want to host the content people want to be made aware of, make another sub where that information can be found.

    [–]thebigsplat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    All the viable alternative names have been camped out since the beginning of time because Overwatch is well...overwatch.

    [–]tresserhttp://goo.gl/Ln0Ctp 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm sure there's other subs that don't allow the same kind of information.

    can just have one sub to cover all the games. individual flairs so you can filter which games you want to see reports on.

    i mean...it could happen if people give enough of a shit to put it together. instead of just making more threads about it in whatever sub is suppressing the information they want made available.

    [–]Flyboy142 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Because witchhunting is against reddit policy.

    [–]Outlashed 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Providing proof that a player is intentionally throwing, having the individual player confess on video that he is cheating, is not witch hunting anymore.

    [–]Flyboy142 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That is literally the definition of with hunting,

    [–]Outlashed 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The definition is when it's based.on assumptions, not on evidence.

    It's discrimination against people who doesn't follow the rules, not witch hunting.

    Go find me a witch hunt case/story with confirmed evidence that the person was a witch.

    If I report a criminal to the police with evidence, are we then witch hunting?

    Think for once, ir atleast google stuff before you talk about things you aren't knowledgeable about.

    [–]Categorist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I got banned by this trash, too, for a legit criticism against blizzard.

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    [–]OIPI will have you know that Donald Trump is extraordinarily kawaii 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    i don't know how much if any is to do with the modding but that sub on the whole can be pretty painful. looots of elitism and for every good discussion there is a furiously enthusiastic hivemind agreement about whatever the current trending (negative) opinion is.

    [–]Outlashed 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The entire subreddit has turned to shit, I barely ever read the comment section anymore.

    [–]Raknak 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    https://m.imgur.com/gallery/iFPCW

    TEE banning people complaining about him in modmail